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Kblo247!
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| BandwagonLBJhopper wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | drae wrote: | | Doctors call. Fans have to deal with it |
If thats the case why not get a 10 day contract for a center? This is crazy....also he need to be traded. He just injury prone..he need to go..it is what it is. |
This is the real problem.
AD has an injury - fine, but to not equip the team with another big with Bamba out is absurd. Absolute malpractice, Pelinka is not that stupid which again means it had to be $$$$$$. |
Gabriel gave you 15 rebounds
Gabriel was a +12 on the floor
They won or broke even every quarter Gabriel played the most big minutes.
Rui gave you 0 rebounds
Rui gave you 0 fouls
Rui was a -15
Rui is 20 pounds bigger than Gabriel
That game was lost in the first quarter when Ham started Rui. And momentum was lost in the third after Darvon cleaned up a mistake and started Gabriel in the second half, when Rui came in for Gabriel and he went turnover, give up a layup, miss 3, short mid leads to a run out in his time on the floor.
Pelinka literally gave him what he needed to win the game. Just start damn Gabriel in quarter 1 and they win that game |
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| As a doctor, I can tell you all that “doctors call” is (bleep) in a situation like this. |
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| Kblo247! wrote: | | BandwagonLBJhopper wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | drae wrote: | | Doctors call. Fans have to deal with it |
If thats the case why not get a 10 day contract for a center? This is crazy....also he need to be traded. He just injury prone..he need to go..it is what it is. |
This is the real problem.
AD has an injury - fine, but to not equip the team with another big with Bamba out is absurd. Absolute malpractice, Pelinka is not that stupid which again means it had to be $$$$$$. |
Gabriel gave you 15 rebounds
Gabriel was a +12 on the floor
They won or broke even every quarter Gabriel played the most big minutes.
Rui gave you 0 rebounds
Rui gave you 0 fouls
Rui was a -15
Rui is 20 pounds bigger than Gabriel
That game was lost in the first quarter when Ham started Rui. And momentum was lost in the third after Darvon cleaned up a mistake and started Gabriel in the second half, when Rui came in for Gabriel and he went turnover, give up a layup, miss 3, short mid leads to a run out in his time on the floor.
Pelinka literally gave him what he needed to win the game. Just start damn Gabriel in quarter 1 and they win that game |
Wrong. Game was lost when Sengun had easy baskets. And the rest could lob for dunks and dribble to the hoop. I like Gab and Van but both undersized. They got schooled from everyone who even entered the lane tonight. It was like an all star game, back and forth. |
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Incredibly tough loss, and not just for positioning, but for principal. EVERY...and I mean every game counts, and to not get a win against a bottom dweller is just unacceptable. AD, I am so disappointed in him, yet again. Anthony Davis needs to demand to be in this game, come hell our high water and doctors be damned. So right there, that shows me everything I need to know about AD. Where is our backup center? And where is the pride in our shooters? We needed scoring tonight, and what did we get? Dlo, Beasly and DS all had horrendous shooting games. And AR wasn't that far behind. In a very critical game, our guys failed to show up.
I will keep saying it, I still don't believe this Lakers team even makes the playin.
I hope I'm wrong. |
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Kblo247!
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| Black Sheep wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | | BandwagonLBJhopper wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | drae wrote: | | Doctors call. Fans have to deal with it |
If thats the case why not get a 10 day contract for a center? This is crazy....also he need to be traded. He just injury prone..he need to go..it is what it is. |
This is the real problem.
AD has an injury - fine, but to not equip the team with another big with Bamba out is absurd. Absolute malpractice, Pelinka is not that stupid which again means it had to be $$$$$$. |
Gabriel gave you 15 rebounds
Gabriel was a +12 on the floor
They won or broke even every quarter Gabriel played the most big minutes.
Rui gave you 0 rebounds
Rui gave you 0 fouls
Rui was a -15
Rui is 20 pounds bigger than Gabriel
That game was lost in the first quarter when Ham started Rui. And momentum was lost in the third after Darvon cleaned up a mistake and started Gabriel in the second half, when Rui came in for Gabriel and he went turnover, give up a layup, miss 3, short mid leads to a run out in his time on the floor.
Pelinka literally gave him what he needed to win the game. Just start damn Gabriel in quarter 1 and they win that game |
Wrong. Game was lost when Sengun had easy baskets. And the rest could lob for dunks and dribble to the hoop. I like Gab and Van but both undersized. They got schooled from everyone who even entered the lane tonight. It was like an all star game, back and forth. |
The Rockets announce sengun will play and he says start Rui. He pretty much threw that 1 quarter away in that start.
Gabriel played most the minutes every quarter after that.
Q1 - 19 / 31
Q2 - 29 / 31
Q3 - 26 / 21
Q4 - 36 / 31
The Lakers were down 13 to 25 when Gabriel came in the game with 3 mins left in the fiest. That was the only quarter Rui played more minutes than him too.
They lost that game not because they didn’t sign a 10 day big, not because of what Jeanie didn’t pay, not because AD sat, or what Pelinka didn’t do. They lost it because Ham made a dumb coaching move and they got beat down the first 9 minutes of that game.
The team won the game from that point on. Hell the lakers were right there on the glass from the time Rui exited the first and Gabriel came in as well. They lost the glass 26 to 33 from that point on. They could have won with what they had with just Wenyen playing |
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Lakers made the right moves. But Lebron got hurt. Bam got hurt. And Davis is being held out. Hard to put anything together like that. Always two steps forward and one step back with this team. Very hard to build around two guys where health is a constant issue 3 years now.
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No one is happy about it.
But that doesn't mean it's not the right decision.
If missing back-to-backs helps AD play every other game the rest of the season at the level he's been playing, I'm good with that.
There's one more back-to-back this season.
All that being said... the fact they don't have a third big drives me nuts. |
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| Outside of cost savings, what is the argument for not using the 15th spot and having additional big man depth knowing how injury prone AD is? |
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| BandwagonLBJhopper wrote: | | Outside of cost savings, what is the argument for not using the 15th spot and having additional big man depth knowing how injury prone AD is? |
Jeannie needs a new Gucci bag. |
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Kblo247!
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| BandwagonLBJhopper wrote: | | Outside of cost savings, what is the argument for not using the 15th spot and having additional big man depth knowing how injury prone AD is? |
It is really just a who did you sign? It’s not a talent question but fit question. The whole team was off when personalities didn’t fit in the locker room and Ham was lost. You had Handy and Russ saying players/coaches need to be better.
They are not going to introduce Dwight or Cousins in a room when they are toxic personalities. And Dwight right now is playing his role as a globetrotter on a losing team in a joke league. Cousins was let go from Denver because of personality not play. Whiteside was let go from Miamia and Utah because of personality and attitude. And then there is Kanter who hates Lebron.
So you can’t sign anyone. You pretty much have Ibaka as your whole list. And he wasn’t happy playing 4th big to Giannis, Brook, and Portis. He has a ring. And prorated vet min in Cali isn’t money to really entice him. So why would he want spot minutes behind AD?
Pelinka protected chemistry because his coach can’t handle toxins |
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We have had an open roster spot forever.
Demarcus Cousins and Dwight Howard say hello.
Maybe we should have a center besides Anthony Day-to Davis and injured Bamba. |
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| Yeah, there's simply no excuse for AD to sit and the Lakers to lose this game. |
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| 1995Lakers wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | We lost no ground tonight.
We’re also playing for a 9/10 seed. We’re a lock to make it. No one below us is playing well and Dallas is crumbling.
We will for sure finish at worst 9/10. Still have a great shot at 7/8.
Think this was the right call. Honestly, looking ah the Rockets team, shouldn’t we have been able to beat them without AD/Bron? We played poor lineups and ok ball and still only lost by 3. |
Yea...had we signed Cousins and started his ass, we would have won and it would have been an easy double digits win. End of story |
Obviously you don’t know why Cousins isn’t on an NBA team, he can’t play. Rob’s desk chair has more lateral movement than Cousins does. The team had a better chance with Gabriel.
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| Kblo247! wrote: | | Don Draper wrote: | | CandyCanes wrote: | | This is why it baffles me that people think we can build around AD when LeBron is done as an elite player. He’s barely even holding together right now. |
Hmm I might flip that. LeBron is more elite and more reliable than AD, AD is the one who is done as an elite player. He can still be key to a championship team, but he's a big question mark and will continue to be one as he gets even older. |
AD has the most 30 and 15 games of any player this year, more than Giannis, Embid, or Jokic.
AD has anchored the best defensive team in basketball since the break.
AD leads the league in second chance points and offensive rebounding but doesn’t lead his own team in attempts per game.
By average AD is the best rebounder in the nba. ( better than Jokic, Freak, Sabonis, and Embid)
By average AD is sixth in blocks (better than Embid)
By average he is 16th in field goal percentage.
He’s pretty damn elite and the best two way player in the league. No other player, especially big is asked to do what he does defensively, on the glass, and then scoring too while being his teams second option offensively while averaging 26 |
So not playing in games has no bearing on how a player affects his team? Here’s an interesting fact, averages don’t win games, performances do.
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| it is funny how when we win you do not see certain posters. But when we lose they are on here all night posting the dumbest reactionary posts you have ever read. Same names every damn time. They live to be miserable. |
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I can understand sitting AD given the current circumstances and the fact they would not even win a play in game without AD and certainly won’t win a playoff series without both AD and LBJ healthy.
The bigger head scratcher is not taking a flyer on whatever 6’10 or taller warm body available that could at least allow you to NOT play Rui or Vando at center. Maybe there isn’t one out there but it was glaringly apparent they had no chance to win with guys who obviously have shown they can’t provide even token shot blocking/altering. Wenyen sort of can but typically is either a 97 pound punching bag or a foul machine against legit bigs.
By way of example, I’m relatively sure even 15-17 minutes of Javale McGee would have won this game.
Frustrating…… |
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| JamaalWilkes wrote: | We have had an open roster spot forever.
Demarcus Cousins and Dwight Howard say hello.
Maybe we should have a center besides Anthony Day-to Davis and injured Bamba. |
I have heard fans say in the past that Cousins is detrimental to a team winning, and it’s probably true and that’s why he’s still a FA, Howard is playing in a piss poor Taiwan league and I don’t think he would have kept Sengun and the other athletic Houston players in check |
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| JamaalWilkes wrote: | We have had an open roster spot forever.
Demarcus Cousins and Dwight Howard say hello.
Maybe we should have a center besides Anthony Day-to Davis and injured Bamba. |
Unfortunately, Dwight Howard already said hello to an overseas stint, 30 games for $1million. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | | Don Draper wrote: | | CandyCanes wrote: | | This is why it baffles me that people think we can build around AD when LeBron is done as an elite player. He’s barely even holding together right now. |
Hmm I might flip that. LeBron is more elite and more reliable than AD, AD is the one who is done as an elite player. He can still be key to a championship team, but he's a big question mark and will continue to be one as he gets even older. |
AD has the most 30 and 15 games of any player this year, more than Giannis, Embid, or Jokic.
AD has anchored the best defensive team in basketball since the break.
AD leads the league in second chance points and offensive rebounding but doesn’t lead his own team in attempts per game.
By average AD is the best rebounder in the nba. ( better than Jokic, Freak, Sabonis, and Embid)
By average AD is sixth in blocks (better than Embid)
By average he is 16th in field goal percentage.
He’s pretty damn elite and the best two way player in the league. No other player, especially big is asked to do what he does defensively, on the glass, and then scoring too while being his teams second option offensively while averaging 26 |
So not playing in games has no bearing on how a player affects his team? Here’s an interesting fact, averages don’t win games, performances do. |
You’re a clippers fan right Ventura
Kawhi and PG came together the same summer as AD/Bron … Harden/Russ and Kyrie/KD came together too.
AD won a ring
AD beat and broke up Russ and Harden
AD has played more games than Kyrie, KD, Kawhi, and PG since that time too.
For a guy who preaches about averages. AD seemed to have won a title. And for a guy who preaches about games he’s in street clothes less than Kawhi, PG, KD, or Kyrie … hell in street clothes less than Lonzo and BI
And hell what have Embid performances ever won him? Hell when has AD ever sat for a stomach ache in the playoffs for that matter? And Jokics performances saw AD be better than him when it counted in the conference finals
So what’s your argument? Or are you going to go ghost like when the clippers lost to Denver and the lakers won with AD? |
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| Kblo247! wrote: | | Black Sheep wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | | BandwagonLBJhopper wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | drae wrote: | | Doctors call. Fans have to deal with it |
If thats the case why not get a 10 day contract for a center? This is crazy....also he need to be traded. He just injury prone..he need to go..it is what it is. |
This is the real problem.
AD has an injury - fine, but to not equip the team with another big with Bamba out is absurd. Absolute malpractice, Pelinka is not that stupid which again means it had to be $$$$$$. |
Gabriel gave you 15 rebounds
Gabriel was a +12 on the floor
They won or broke even every quarter Gabriel played the most big minutes.
Rui gave you 0 rebounds
Rui gave you 0 fouls
Rui was a -15
Rui is 20 pounds bigger than Gabriel
That game was lost in the first quarter when Ham started Rui. And momentum was lost in the third after Darvon cleaned up a mistake and started Gabriel in the second half, when Rui came in for Gabriel and he went turnover, give up a layup, miss 3, short mid leads to a run out in his time on the floor.
Pelinka literally gave him what he needed to win the game. Just start damn Gabriel in quarter 1 and they win that game |
Wrong. Game was lost when Sengun had easy baskets. And the rest could lob for dunks and dribble to the hoop. I like Gab and Van but both undersized. They got schooled from everyone who even entered the lane tonight. It was like an all star game, back and forth. |
The Rockets announce sengun will play and he says start Rui. He pretty much threw that 1 quarter away in that start.
Gabriel played most the minutes every quarter after that.
Q1 - 19 / 31
Q2 - 29 / 31
Q3 - 26 / 21
Q4 - 36 / 31
The Lakers were down 13 to 25 when Gabriel came in the game with 3 mins left in the fiest. That was the only quarter Rui played more minutes than him too.
They lost that game not because they didn’t sign a 10 day big, not because of what Jeanie didn’t pay, not because AD sat, or what Pelinka didn’t do. They lost it because Ham made a dumb coaching move and they got beat down the first 9 minutes of that game.
The team won the game from that point on. Hell the lakers were right there on the glass from the time Rui exited the first and Gabriel came in as well. They lost the glass 26 to 33 from that point on. They could have won with what they had with just Wenyen playing |
I wouldn't say playing Hachimura was necessarily the problem, I would say playing one or the other was. We were undersized and on top of it played 3 guards for huge minutes. 3 of our wings should have had a lot of minutes together and alternatively, Max Christie should have gotten playing time as well. There is a difference in Hachimura coming to the paint from the weak side and someone like Malik Beasley or Lonnie Walker. Heck, Davon Reed could have given you some defensive minutes over Lonnie
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| Kblo247! wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | | Don Draper wrote: | | CandyCanes wrote: | | This is why it baffles me that people think we can build around AD when LeBron is done as an elite player. He’s barely even holding together right now. |
Hmm I might flip that. LeBron is more elite and more reliable than AD, AD is the one who is done as an elite player. He can still be key to a championship team, but he's a big question mark and will continue to be one as he gets even older. |
AD has the most 30 and 15 games of any player this year, more than Giannis, Embid, or Jokic.
AD has anchored the best defensive team in basketball since the break.
AD leads the league in second chance points and offensive rebounding but doesn’t lead his own team in attempts per game.
By average AD is the best rebounder in the nba. ( better than Jokic, Freak, Sabonis, and Embid)
By average AD is sixth in blocks (better than Embid)
By average he is 16th in field goal percentage.
He’s pretty damn elite and the best two way player in the league. No other player, especially big is asked to do what he does defensively, on the glass, and then scoring too while being his teams second option offensively while averaging 26 |
So not playing in games has no bearing on how a player affects his team? Here’s an interesting fact, averages don’t win games, performances do. |
You’re a clippers fan right Ventura
Kawhi and PG came together the same summer as AD/Bron … Harden/Russ and Kyrie/KD came together too.
AD won a ring
AD beat and broke up Russ and Harden
AD has played more games than Kyrie, KD, Kawhi, and PG since that time too.
For a guy who preaches about averages. AD seemed to have won a title. And for a guy who preaches about games he’s in street clothes less than Kawhi, PG, KD, or Kyrie … hell in street clothes less than Lonzo and BI
And hell what have Embid performances ever won him? Hell when has AD ever sat for a stomach ache in the playoffs for that matter? And Jokics performances saw AD be better than him when it counted in the conference finals
So what’s your argument? Or are you going to go ghost like when the clippers lost to Denver and the lakers won with AD? |
Embiid is MVP tier last 2 seasons but AD was there too before going down. In 2020 he transformed a team into a legit contender with his arrival, lead them in points, rebounds, steals, blocks, but no one ever talked about him in MVP discussions. If he gathers a healthy season on a good team, he will always be a MVP/DPOY shortlist kind of player
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They were talking about resting Anthony in the middle of the New Orleans game. This shouldn’t be surprising. Why the outrage?
There isn’t a 10 day that transforms them into a better team.
While I would have liked to see Tony Bradley, they probably still lose the other night. Our stars (bleep) the bed.
Complain about Dangelo shooting 5 of 17. Complain about Malik shooting 6 of 17. The starters. The high dollar free agents. The guys who they are supposed to max out — at any cost — pay a $350 million payroll. They (bleep) the bed.
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The outrage isn't AD sitting.
The outrage is that the team KNEW AD is sitting out b2b, Mo is out, and LBJ who often played backup center is out. The luxury tax hit on a 10 day is negligible while losing a must-win gimme like the Rox game is consequential. This one may hurt our chances to be a 7/8 seed.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | The outrage isn't AD sitting.
The outrage is that the team KNEW AD is sitting out b2b, Mo is out, and LBJ who often played backup center is out. The luxury tax hit on a 10 day is negligible while losing a must-win gimme like the Rox game is consequential. This one may hurt our chances to be a 7/8 seed. |
Dangelo shot 5 of 17. Malik shot 6 of 17.
No bum on a 10 day is going to turn that into a W. |
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| Every time you think this team is gonna claw its way back to .500, this (bleep) happens. The lack of motivation against "bad" teams is clear. However, I don't understand how you come with that type of energy given that the team is hanging on by a thread in the standings. |
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