If Beasley’s option is declined and Dlo is designed for $22mil, Reaves for $10mil, Rui and Mo for $8mil could the team operate under the cap? Schro could be brought back the. for $11mil MLE. Even if over the cap he may be able to be retained for the tpMLE at $8mil.
Schro isn’t automatically gone just because we don’t have his bird rights.
No. We won't be an under cap team.
The best case is the TPMLE for Dennis, that he takes that and banks on the Lakers using his Early Bird rights the next summer to take care of him.
But he lost a lot of bag when he declined the $84m so he may just jump at the most $, sort of like Monk did (and apparently the Lakers offered him the TPMLE but the Sacto's NTPMLE was better).
i am fully confident that TPMLE is enough to keep him for 2 years.
He will do what Monk did and most free agents usually do, secure the bag.
30 year Pgs that can't make 3s consistently is not a hot commodity in the NBA. if he can get more than 8 TPMLE, then good luck to him.
Malik monk is a 24 year old SG that can score with the best of them.
He’s more 2 way than Bev. If he continues to shine , he will be an asset around 10-12 mil .
Bron got 2 more at most at about 40-50 RS games if we want to have a chance.
Pay them all and just go for broke. We can flip guys for other pieces if needed. We can abandon ship if it goes under.
Didn't like this dude at all for a LONG time...even still, he may be the greatest to ever lace them up. He deserves to have a chance while he's still top dawg at year 20...which is just nuts when you think about it.
Pay the $100 mil tax hit or keep the $100 mil. That is the question.
I guess Jennie can be crazy but she’s not stupid.
So.. give up?
I think there's probably a middle ground.
For example... Bamba ain't worth his deal and it's not guaranteed. Can you convince him to take less?
Beasley is a big question.. but his upside and fact the deal is one year makes you keep him.
Troy, you probably don't keep.
You keep Rui, Reaves and Dlo.
The only other player there's a question about is Schroeder. What can you keep him for? What's out there that's less expensive that can get?
The way I see it.. for next season.. they need to make sure they have one more guard at least close to Schro.. add another wing in the 6-7 to 6-9 range.. and a serviceable backup.
If we waive both Bamba and Beasley, we might have enough cap space to sign and retain Schroder even counting Rui and Reaves cap hold. Need Vasashi input on this. I don’t believe it will happen though unless we win it all.
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But yeah, gotta renounce DLo too or get him on a small enough number where you can still have enough cap to sign Schro to a larger than MLE price point. _________________ Not familiar with the salary cap/CBA rules & how it impacts our Lakers?
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IMO, pretty much the only way to keep that core 8 without giving up the draft pick is something like:
DLO 25m
AR 11-12m
Rui 13-14m
Dennis 10m+ (most if not all of the ntMLE)
TBJ 4.8m (BAE)
Christy and a handful of vet min/rooks to fill out the rest of the roster. Bye-bye Beas, Mo, Lonnie, and Wenyen unless any of them are willing to take the minimum.
What?? DLO $20 tops. Rui the qualifying. Dennis $5 tops. TBJ can leave and Mo 3 years $12 million. Bye Beaz
IMO, pretty much the only way to keep that core 8 without giving up the draft pick is something like:
DLO 25m
AR 11-12m
Rui 13-14m
Dennis 10m+ (most if not all of the ntMLE)
TBJ 4.8m (BAE)
Christy and a handful of vet min/rooks to fill out the rest of the roster. Bye-bye Beas, Mo, Lonnie, and Wenyen unless any of them are willing to take the minimum.
What?? DLO $20 tops. Rui the qualifying. Dennis $5 tops. TBJ can leave and Mo 3 years $12 million. Bye Beaz
IMO, pretty much the only way to keep that core 8 without giving up the draft pick is something like:
DLO 25m
AR 11-12m
Rui 13-14m
Dennis 10m+ (most if not all of the ntMLE)
TBJ 4.8m (BAE)
Christy and a handful of vet min/rooks to fill out the rest of the roster. Bye-bye Beas, Mo, Lonnie, and Wenyen unless any of them are willing to take the minimum.
What?? DLO $20 tops. Rui the qualifying. Dennis $5 tops. TBJ can leave and Mo 3 years $12 million. Bye Beaz
The only way you give dlo more than 20 is if he carries us for a few games resulting in a ring.
IMO, pretty much the only way to keep that core 8 without giving up the draft pick is something like:
DLO 25m
AR 11-12m
Rui 13-14m
Dennis 10m+ (most if not all of the ntMLE)
TBJ 4.8m (BAE)
Christy and a handful of vet min/rooks to fill out the rest of the roster. Bye-bye Beas, Mo, Lonnie, and Wenyen unless any of them are willing to take the minimum.
What?? DLO $20 tops. Rui the qualifying. Dennis $5 tops. TBJ can leave and Mo 3 years $12 million. Bye Beaz
The only way you give dlo more than 20 is if he carries us for a few games resulting in a ring.
Just my opinion for now. There's still basketball left to be played and the market can easily shift. Might as well pound sand otherwise trying to predict his next contract. _________________ Luxury Tax/FA Spreadsheet (Save to your Google Drive to edit)
IMO, pretty much the only way to keep that core 8 without giving up the draft pick is something like:
DLO 25m
AR 11-12m
Rui 13-14m
Dennis 10m+ (most if not all of the ntMLE)
TBJ 4.8m (BAE)
Christy and a handful of vet min/rooks to fill out the rest of the roster. Bye-bye Beas, Mo, Lonnie, and Wenyen unless any of them are willing to take the minimum.
What?? DLO $20 tops. Rui the qualifying. Dennis $5 tops. TBJ can leave and Mo 3 years $12 million. Bye Beaz
The only way you give dlo more than 20 is if he carries us for a few games resulting in a ring.
Just my opinion for now. There's still basketball left to be played and the market can easily shift. Might as well pound sand otherwise trying to predict his next contract.
Well said…I see your numbers as more likely on the high side but we’re all speculating. Hope at least the starters are retained in Dlo/Reaves. The Lakers have a chance to field a real team instead of filling it with vet mins, would be nice to sacrifice and pay luxury tax to keep all we can. _________________ “When it looks as if it is a realistic possibility, I want to focus on winning a ship like it’s a goal that can’t be denied. I didn’t see that this off season.”
IMO, pretty much the only way to keep that core 8 without giving up the draft pick is something like:
DLO 25m
AR 11-12m
Rui 13-14m
Dennis 10m+ (most if not all of the ntMLE)
TBJ 4.8m (BAE)
Christy and a handful of vet min/rooks to fill out the rest of the roster. Bye-bye Beas, Mo, Lonnie, and Wenyen unless any of them are willing to take the minimum.
What?? DLO $20 tops. Rui the qualifying. Dennis $5 tops. TBJ can leave and Mo 3 years $12 million. Bye Beaz
Rui and Dennis has out played those numbers.
Most of the savings will come from DLO/Beasley/Mo/1st pick
We will have the Full MLE to resign Schroder and/or Brown.
We would just be hard capped. I think around 7M would be fair for Dennis right now. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though."
We will have the Full MLE to resign Schroder and/or Brown.
We would just be hard capped. I think around 7M would be fair for Dennis right now.
I think we all see things differently. Dennis is a $5-6 million a year tops. Rui qualifying offer and isn’t worth more than $8-9 million tops. TBJ is replaceable period as is Beaz. Mo 3 years $12 million tops. This is all doable and we dont have to settle for minimum players. If Dennis, Rui can get more elsewhere then congrats and move forward.
IMO, pretty much the only way to keep that core 8 without giving up the draft pick is something like:
DLO 25m
AR 11-12m
Rui 13-14m
Dennis 10m+ (most if not all of the ntMLE)
TBJ 4.8m (BAE)
Christy and a handful of vet min/rooks to fill out the rest of the roster. Bye-bye Beas, Mo, Lonnie, and Wenyen unless any of them are willing to take the minimum.
What?? DLO $20 tops. Rui the qualifying. Dennis $5 tops. TBJ can leave and Mo 3 years $12 million. Bye Beaz
I think your guesses are on the low side other than Dennis. I don't see him getting $10 million. But I could see the other is getting the salaries that the original poster mentioned.
Also, I don't assume that the Lakers would be all of those guys' choices if are offers no better than what other teams will give them. Some of these guys could probably get better roles on other teams.
We will have the Full MLE to resign Schroder and/or Brown.
We would just be hard capped. I think around 7M would be fair for Dennis right now.
I think we all see things differently. Dennis is a $5-6 million a year tops. Rui qualifying offer and isn’t worth more than $8-9 million tops. TBJ is replaceable period as is Beaz. Mo 3 years $12 million tops. This is all doable and we dont have to settle for minimum players. If Dennis, Rui can get more elsewhere then congrats and move forward.
With our current salary projections... Any of those guys will be hard to replace.
TBJ at vet minimum will be hard to replace. Beasley $16m salary will be hard to let go because we can trade for a quality role player for that.
IMO, pretty much the only way to keep that core 8 without giving up the draft pick is something like:
DLO 25m
AR 11-12m
Rui 13-14m
Dennis 10m+ (most if not all of the ntMLE)
TBJ 4.8m (BAE)
Christy and a handful of vet min/rooks to fill out the rest of the roster. Bye-bye Beas, Mo, Lonnie, and Wenyen unless any of them are willing to take the minimum.
What?? DLO $20 tops. Rui the qualifying. Dennis $5 tops. TBJ can leave and Mo 3 years $12 million. Bye Beaz
The only way you give dlo more than 20 is if he carries us for a few games resulting in a ring.
Just my opinion for now. There's still basketball left to be played and the market can easily shift. Might as well pound sand otherwise trying to predict his next contract.
Well said…I see your numbers as more likely on the high side but we’re all speculating. Hope at least the starters are retained in Dlo/Reaves. The Lakers have a chance to field a real team instead of filling it with vet mins, would be nice to sacrifice and pay luxury tax to keep all we can.
I hope I'm wrong. I would love to keep at least these guys and have some left over for Mo, Beas (discounted), or another piece with their salary fodder. _________________ Luxury Tax/FA Spreadsheet (Save to your Google Drive to edit)
The below is a really good LakersNation YouTube clip where Trevor Lane and his colleague discuss the offseason, and what we are able to do:
It appears that we can bring back the following:
1) Reaves
2) DLO
3) Rui
4) Vando
5) Wenyen
and for asset management purposes, sign and trade the following:
6) Beasley -- the casualty for re-signing the above
7) Bamba -- backup bigs can be found for cheaper than $10M
which brings us to TBJ vs DS for the TMLE .........
In my opinion, this is a no brainer. I really like TBJ, however replacing everything DS brings to our team would be very difficult. They also discuss how Max Christie can possibly step into the TBJ role next year. So my vote would be DS over TBJ.
Essentially the 3 Bs would be gone in this scenario (Beasley, Bamba and Brown Jr.).
There is no way Rob traded a valuable 2027 FRP to let DLO walk for nothing. And no, he didn't trade a 2027 FRP for Vando.
They will keep DLO or at least DLO as a trade asset. Letting him walk would be the biggest waste of a future FRP. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
The below is a really good LakersNation YouTube clip where Trevor Lane and his colleague discuss the offseason, and what we are able to do:
It appears that we can bring back the following:
1) Reaves
2) DLO
3) Rui
4) Vando
5) Wenyen
and for asset management purposes, sign and trade the following:
6) Beasley -- the casualty for re-signing the above
7) Bamba -- backup bigs can be found for cheaper than $10M
which brings us to TBJ vs DS for the TMLE .........
In my opinion, this is a no brainer. I really like TBJ, however replacing everything DS brings to our team would be very difficult. They also discuss how Max Christie can possibly step into the TBJ role next year. So my vote would be DS over TBJ.
Essentially the 3 Bs would be gone in this scenario (Beasley, Bamba and Brown Jr.).
He’s not adding to the equation that AD will have off season surgery and will more than likely be limited at the start of the season. U can’t replace Bamba with minimum player. You’ll start the season 2-10 again. Plus, Rob has been trying to get Bamba for 2 years now. I see Bamba hopefully staying for 3 years $12 million. DS for $5 million, Rui qualifying offer. Beaz and TBJ gone and Gabriel minimum. He hasn’t done enough yet to be a $3 million a year player. He’s just hustle guy that gets completely exposed by real bigs.
There is no way Rob traded a valuable 2027 FRP to let DLO walk for nothing. And no, he didn't trade a 2027 FRP for Vando.
They will keep DLO or at least DLO as a trade asset. Letting him walk would be the biggest waste of a future FRP.
It's staggering to see how many fans don't get this.
Dlo was traded for to be a plus asset on the court AND to give us a cap ballast by way of trade should he not work out or someone better come along.
You let him walk...you lose both and the FRP.
He will be resigned above what he should earn for our cap purposes. It is the only way to remain competitive.
As for the rest, it's AR, Rui, and then hope Dennis wants to stay.
We keep those 3 Dlo, AR, Rui it's a fantastic of season. We keep Dennis somehow and it's a spectacular offseason. _________________ "If You're Afraid To Fail...Then You're Probably Going To Fail."
- Kobe
There is no way Rob traded a valuable 2027 FRP to let DLO walk for nothing. And no, he didn't trade a 2027 FRP for Vando.
They will keep DLO or at least DLO as a trade asset. Letting him walk would be the biggest waste of a future FRP.
It's staggering to see how many fans don't get this.
Dlo was traded for to be a plus asset on the court AND to give us a cap ballast by way of trade should he not work out or someone better come along.
You let him walk...you lose both and the FRP.
He will be resigned above what he should earn for our cap purposes. It is the only way to remain competitive.
As for the rest, it's AR, Rui, and then hope Dennis wants to stay.
We keep those 3 Dlo, AR, Rui it's a fantastic of season. We keep Dennis somehow and it's a spectacular offseason.
LMAO bruh him as a trade asset is already given. The only concern is how much we should pay him to remain an asset. He has been terrible in the playoff so he need to step his game up if he wants get paid . Because if you can’t convince yourself Cuban will somehow be interested on him if Kyrie goes off rails again then what makes you think others (better stars) will be intrigue considering Kyrie is one heck of a nut case. I hate to tell you we don’t the required package for anything better than Kyrie. And we are in a short window, Lebron last legs and Before AD body give up. In essence, we have to make the best of whatever elite years they can still capable of playing.
There is no way Rob traded a valuable 2027 FRP to let DLO walk for nothing. And no, he didn't trade a 2027 FRP for Vando.
They will keep DLO or at least DLO as a trade asset. Letting him walk would be the biggest waste of a future FRP.
It's staggering to see how many fans don't get this.
Dlo was traded for to be a plus asset on the court AND to give us a cap ballast by way of trade should he not work out or someone better come along.
You let him walk...you lose both and the FRP.
He will be resigned above what he should earn for our cap purposes. It is the only way to remain competitive.
As for the rest, it's AR, Rui, and then hope Dennis wants to stay.
We keep those 3 Dlo, AR, Rui it's a fantastic of season. We keep Dennis somehow and it's a spectacular offseason.
LMAO bruh him as a trade asset is already given. The only concern is how much we should pay him to remain an asset. He has been terrible in the playoff so he need to step his game up if he wants get paid . Because if you can’t convince yourself Cuban will somehow be interested on him if Kyrie goes off rails again then what makes you think others (better stars) will be intrigue considering Kyrie is one heck of a nut case. I hate to tell you we don’t the required package for anything better than Kyrie. And we are in a short window, Lebron last legs and Before AD body give up. In essence, we have to make the best of whatever elite years they can still capable of playing.
There is no way Rob traded a valuable 2027 FRP to let DLO walk for nothing. And no, he didn't trade a 2027 FRP for Vando.
They will keep DLO or at least DLO as a trade asset. Letting him walk would be the biggest waste of a future FRP.
It's staggering to see how many fans don't get this.
Dlo was traded for to be a plus asset on the court AND to give us a cap ballast by way of trade should he not work out or someone better come along.
You let him walk...you lose both and the FRP.
He will be resigned above what he should earn for our cap purposes. It is the only way to remain competitive.
As for the rest, it's AR, Rui, and then hope Dennis wants to stay.
We keep those 3 Dlo, AR, Rui it's a fantastic of season. We keep Dennis somehow and it's a spectacular offseason.
There is a number where DLO is no longer considered an asset. Nobody knows where that line is yet but it exists. We just had a similar discussion about Dennis two summers ago. If we had signed him to that $100 million contract he was seeking, we'd all be looking for ways to offload him by now. _________________ Luxury Tax/FA Spreadsheet (Save to your Google Drive to edit)
There is no way Rob traded a valuable 2027 FRP to let DLO walk for nothing. And no, he didn't trade a 2027 FRP for Vando.
They will keep DLO or at least DLO as a trade asset. Letting him walk would be the biggest waste of a future FRP.
It's staggering to see how many fans don't get this.
Dlo was traded for to be a plus asset on the court AND to give us a cap ballast by way of trade should he not work out or someone better come along.
You let him walk...you lose both and the FRP.
He will be resigned above what he should earn for our cap purposes. It is the only way to remain competitive.
As for the rest, it's AR, Rui, and then hope Dennis wants to stay.
We keep those 3 Dlo, AR, Rui it's a fantastic of season. We keep Dennis somehow and it's a spectacular offseason.
There is a number where DLO is no longer considered an asset. Nobody knows where that line is yet but it exists. We just had a similar discussion about Dennis two summers ago. If we had signed him to that $100 million contract he was seeking, we'd all be looking for ways to offload him by now.
Sure. DLO's not even eligible for the 10 year service max, and of course not the max that is due to all NBA/MVP, etc.
We are most likely talking about $25-30m/year range. That is not a crippling amount given his age and fit with the team.
People are using 1 play-in game over 17 games where DLO had 17.4ppg/6.1apg and 41.4% 3 point shooting. I'll take that larger sample size. He's a good fit with LBJ/AD and I think he'll bounce back against Memphis. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
There is no way Rob traded a valuable 2027 FRP to let DLO walk for nothing. And no, he didn't trade a 2027 FRP for Vando.
They will keep DLO or at least DLO as a trade asset. Letting him walk would be the biggest waste of a future FRP.
It's staggering to see how many fans don't get this.
Dlo was traded for to be a plus asset on the court AND to give us a cap ballast by way of trade should he not work out or someone better come along.
You let him walk...you lose both and the FRP.
He will be resigned above what he should earn for our cap purposes. It is the only way to remain competitive.
As for the rest, it's AR, Rui, and then hope Dennis wants to stay.
We keep those 3 Dlo, AR, Rui it's a fantastic of season. We keep Dennis somehow and it's a spectacular offseason.
There is a number where DLO is no longer considered an asset. Nobody knows where that line is yet but it exists. We just had a similar discussion about Dennis two summers ago. If we had signed him to that $100 million contract he was seeking, we'd all be looking for ways to offload him by now.
Sure. DLO's not even eligible for the 10 year service max, and of course not the max that is due to all NBA/MVP, etc.
We are most likely talking about $25-30m/year range. That is not a crippling amount given his age and fit with the team.
People are using 1 play-in game over 17 games where DLO had 17.4ppg/6.1apg and 41.4% 3 point shooting. I'll take that larger sample size. He's a good fit with LBJ/AD and I think he'll bounce back against Memphis.
I think that's reasonable...I also think some of the language you use implies an "at-all-costs" approach when it comes to DLO. If you're drawing the line somewhere around $30 million then I really have no beef with that barring a disastrous playoff performance. _________________ Luxury Tax/FA Spreadsheet (Save to your Google Drive to edit)
There is no way Rob traded a valuable 2027 FRP to let DLO walk for nothing. And no, he didn't trade a 2027 FRP for Vando.
They will keep DLO or at least DLO as a trade asset. Letting him walk would be the biggest waste of a future FRP.
It's staggering to see how many fans don't get this.
Dlo was traded for to be a plus asset on the court AND to give us a cap ballast by way of trade should he not work out or someone better come along.
You let him walk...you lose both and the FRP.
He will be resigned above what he should earn for our cap purposes. It is the only way to remain competitive.
As for the rest, it's AR, Rui, and then hope Dennis wants to stay.
We keep those 3 Dlo, AR, Rui it's a fantastic of season. We keep Dennis somehow and it's a spectacular offseason.
There is a number where DLO is no longer considered an asset. Nobody knows where that line is yet but it exists. We just had a similar discussion about Dennis two summers ago. If we had signed him to that $100 million contract he was seeking, we'd all be looking for ways to offload him by now.
Sure. DLO's not even eligible for the 10 year service max, and of course not the max that is due to all NBA/MVP, etc.
We are most likely talking about $25-30m/year range. That is not a crippling amount given his age and fit with the team.
People are using 1 play-in game over 17 games where DLO had 17.4ppg/6.1apg and 41.4% 3 point shooting. I'll take that larger sample size. He's a good fit with LBJ/AD and I think he'll bounce back against Memphis.
I think that's reasonable...I also think some of the language you use implies an "at-all-costs" approach when it comes to DLO. If you're drawing the line somewhere around $30 million then I really have no beef with that.
Yeah, I think $30m is about the limit. But I'm also not going to lose him for nothing over a $1-2m/year difference either. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
I agree with that...you just have to consider there's about $10 million of upward mobility in his case _________________ Luxury Tax/FA Spreadsheet (Save to your Google Drive to edit)
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