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Lebron
AD
AR
Max
Vando
#17/18 SF
Mo
DLo or Rui+Dennis
Gabriel (min)
Shaq (min)
Troy (min)
What to do with Beas....
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I'm a huge Max fan, but expecting him to becoming a starting level guard to replace DLO's production is a bit too optimistic.
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| gng930 wrote: | | CervantesRises wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | There is no way Rob traded a valuable 2027 FRP to let DLO walk for nothing. And no, he didn't trade a 2027 FRP for Vando.
They will keep DLO or at least DLO as a trade asset. Letting him walk would be the biggest waste of a future FRP. |
It's staggering to see how many fans don't get this.
Dlo was traded for to be a plus asset on the court AND to give us a cap ballast by way of trade should he not work out or someone better come along.
You let him walk...you lose both and the FRP.
He will be resigned above what he should earn for our cap purposes. It is the only way to remain competitive.
As for the rest, it's AR, Rui, and then hope Dennis wants to stay.
We keep those 3 Dlo, AR, Rui it's a fantastic of season. We keep Dennis somehow and it's a spectacular offseason. |
There is a number where DLO is no longer considered an asset. Nobody knows where that line is yet but it exists. We just had a similar discussion about Dennis two summers ago. If we had signed him to that $100 million contract he was seeking, we'd all be looking for ways to offload him by now. |
Schroder was humbled so he learned the hard way. But if we overpaid him, he would have became a liability. He was having those diva antics holding our FO office hostage and cater to his demand. That’s too much for a role player. DLo need to to step up in the playoff because he’s not young anymore, there no more intrigue to any untapped potential. He’s pretty much the player that he is. The only question is can he perform when it matters. |
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| epic_ wrote: | Lebron
AD
AR
Max
Vando
#17/18 SF
Mo
DLo or Rui+Dennis
Gabriel (min)
Shaq (min)
Troy (min)
What to do with Beas.... |
Harden pick up his option to go home. Lakers will send Beasley and Mo to Philly along with Christie.
Lebron
AD
Vando
Reaves
Harden
Rui
Wenyen
Schroder (Hopefully for TpMLE)
23 FRP
23 SRP
Vet minimum
Vet minimum
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epic_
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 9:52 am Post subject: |
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| CRoost wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | Lebron
AD
AR
Max
Vando
#17/18 SF
Mo
DLo or Rui+Dennis
Gabriel (min)
Shaq (min)
Troy (min)
What to do with Beas.... |
Harden pick up his option to go home. Lakers will send Beasley and Mo to Philly along with Christie.
Lebron
AD
Vando
Reaves
Harden
Rui
Wenyen
Schroder (Hopefully for TpMLE)
23 FRP
23 SRP
Vet minimum
Vet minimum
Vet minimum |
I recall a former Rocket who also came home. Hopefully this time it turns out for the better lol.
At this stage, would we consider Harden better than Dlo? By how much? And who plays more games next year? These are things I'd try to consider if James really wanted to come home over going to Houston's clubs.
Something about having ball dominant Lebron and Harden whose defenses have slipped isn't something I'm looking forward to.
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Harden took a PAYCUT this season so the 76ers could give the NTPMLE to PJ Tucker.
I highly doubt he's looking for another paycut this season. He makes more now in his paycut season ($33m) than our effective cap space if we cut everyone who is a pending FA.
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| epic_ wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | Lebron
AD
AR
Max
Vando
#17/18 SF
Mo
DLo or Rui+Dennis
Gabriel (min)
Shaq (min)
Troy (min)
What to do with Beas.... |
Harden pick up his option to go home. Lakers will send Beasley and Mo to Philly along with Christie.
Lebron
AD
Vando
Reaves
Harden
Rui
Wenyen
Schroder (Hopefully for TpMLE)
23 FRP
23 SRP
Vet minimum
Vet minimum
Vet minimum |
I recall a former Rocket who also came home. Hopefully this time it turns out for the better lol.
At this stage, would we consider Harden better than Dlo? By how much? And who plays more games next year? These are things I'd try to consider if James really wanted to come home over going to Houston's clubs.
Something about having ball dominant Lebron and Harden whose defenses have slipped isn't something I'm looking forward to. |
Harden as a 3rd option , most definitely. Harden has enough impact that he can keep the team afloat without AD or Lebron or both. We saw that DLo can’t do against the pedestrian Rockets. It’s hard for DLo to create on his own and get a good looking shot. Harden being more dynamic bring gravity and unlike Westbrook, he can provide spacing. |
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I actually prefer Harden over Ky if we're comparing the two. But I don't think any of them are attainable.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| CRoost wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | Lebron
AD
AR
Max
Vando
#17/18 SF
Mo
DLo or Rui+Dennis
Gabriel (min)
Shaq (min)
Troy (min)
What to do with Beas.... |
Harden pick up his option to go home. Lakers will send Beasley and Mo to Philly along with Christie.
Lebron
AD
Vando
Reaves
Harden
Rui
Wenyen
Schroder (Hopefully for TpMLE)
23 FRP
23 SRP
Vet minimum
Vet minimum
Vet minimum |
I recall a former Rocket who also came home. Hopefully this time it turns out for the better lol.
At this stage, would we consider Harden better than Dlo? By how much? And who plays more games next year? These are things I'd try to consider if James really wanted to come home over going to Houston's clubs.
Something about having ball dominant Lebron and Harden whose defenses have slipped isn't something I'm looking forward to. |
Harden as a 3rd option , most definitely. Harden has enough impact that he can keep the team afloat without AD or Lebron or both. We saw that DLo can’t do against the pedestrian Rockets. It’s hard for DLo to create on his own and get a good looking shot. Harden being more dynamic bring gravity and unlike Westbrook, he can provide spacing. |
Sounds good on paper. I'd take it.
But highly unlikely it happens. I doubt Harden opts in. I think he'd want a new bigger contract over coming "home".
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I think Harden would do it for less money.
He fits well with AD when LBJ retires
(And yes I get that Harden is also old, but the way he plays doesn't require leaping ability or a lot of speed)
If we have to go three stars... I hope it's Harden... although I feel bad f&cking over DLo a second time.
It would be fun to see Reaves and Harden set a team free throw record. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | gng930 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | gng930 wrote: | | CervantesRises wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | There is no way Rob traded a valuable 2027 FRP to let DLO walk for nothing. And no, he didn't trade a 2027 FRP for Vando.
They will keep DLO or at least DLO as a trade asset. Letting him walk would be the biggest waste of a future FRP. |
It's staggering to see how many fans don't get this.
Dlo was traded for to be a plus asset on the court AND to give us a cap ballast by way of trade should he not work out or someone better come along.
You let him walk...you lose both and the FRP.
He will be resigned above what he should earn for our cap purposes. It is the only way to remain competitive.
As for the rest, it's AR, Rui, and then hope Dennis wants to stay.
We keep those 3 Dlo, AR, Rui it's a fantastic of season. We keep Dennis somehow and it's a spectacular offseason. |
There is a number where DLO is no longer considered an asset. Nobody knows where that line is yet but it exists. We just had a similar discussion about Dennis two summers ago. If we had signed him to that $100 million contract he was seeking, we'd all be looking for ways to offload him by now. |
Sure. DLO's not even eligible for the 10 year service max, and of course not the max that is due to all NBA/MVP, etc.
We are most likely talking about $25-30m/year range. That is not a crippling amount given his age and fit with the team.
People are using 1 play-in game over 17 games where DLO had 17.4ppg/6.1apg and 41.4% 3 point shooting. I'll take that larger sample size. He's a good fit with LBJ/AD and I think he'll bounce back against Memphis. |
I think that's reasonable...I also think some of the language you use implies an "at-all-costs" approach when it comes to DLO. If you're drawing the line somewhere around $30 million then I really have no beef with that. |
Yeah, I think $30m is about the limit. But I'm also not going to lose him for nothing over a $1-2m/year difference either. |
This.
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| BILBJH wrote: | I think Harden would do it for less money.
He fits well with AD when LBJ retires
(And yes I get that Harden is also old, but the way he plays doesn't require leaping ability or a lot of speed)
If we have to go three stars... I hope it's Harden... although I feel bad f&cking over DLo a second time.
It would be fun to see Reaves and Harden set a team free throw record. |
Isn't Harden another one of those headcase? If Harden and T. Thompson are both on the team next year.. what happens when Khloe K. comes by to visit the facilities. lol |
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8 as the number of players to consider isn’t just a random number…it’s the typical number of players used in a playoff rotation. I think it was Pat Riley that said: “…use 8, play 7, rotate 6, trust 5…”
That being said, I would like to see what others think would be the best 8 now and to retain next season and I didn’t want to start a new thread when this one seems popular enough. I don’t want to speak for the OP or hijack the thread but I thought it was the point of it to begin with. Most responses talk about more than 8.
Let’s assume you could only use 8. Who would it be this playoffs? Which 8 would you use next year?
Mo is a reach right now…I get that…just hoping he comes around because the imo the team would be significantly better if he can be effective for 24 mins at C.
Mine:
AD24/Mo24
LBJ12/Rui24/(AD12)
Vando24/(LBJ24)
Reaves32/(Dlo16)
Dlo16/Schro32
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I would say Core 7:
1. LeBron
2. Davis
3. Reaves
4. D’Angelo
5. Hachimura
6. Vanderbilt
7. Schröder
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| Jordan-esque wrote: | I would say Core 7:
1. LeBron
2. Davis
3. Reaves
4. D’Angelo
5. Hachimura
6. Vanderbilt
7. Schröder |
Add a center that can give you 15-20 playoff minutes and you have yourself a group. Gonna be difficult to find without money to offer tho
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| Jordan-esque wrote: | I would say Core 7:
1. LeBron
2. Davis
3. Reaves
4. D’Angelo
5. Hachimura
6. Vanderbilt
7. Schröder |
It might just be that out of necessity. Obviously there's more games to be played but Rui and Reaves raised their stocks today and reduced the probability of staying below the Apron to offer Troy the BAE.
It's a good problem to have though. Would rather have this version of Rui and Reaves than TBJ as our 8th man. We have Max ready to step in and I do like the wing depth in the upcoming draft.
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| gng930 wrote: | | Jordan-esque wrote: | I would say Core 7:
1. LeBron
2. Davis
3. Reaves
4. D’Angelo
5. Hachimura
6. Vanderbilt
7. Schröder |
It might just be that out of necessity. Obviously there's more games to be played but Rui and Reaves raised their stocks today and reduced the probability of staying below the Apron to offer Troy the BAE.
It's a good problem to have though. Would rather have this version of Rui and Reaves than TBJ as our 8th man. We have Max ready to step in and I do like the wing depth in the upcoming draft. |
I like Troy as well, hes value at a minimum contract. But depending on cost we have to make decisions. Reaves, DLO, Hachimura got priority, then we see
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We really went from one of the oldest team to one of the youngest teams in the playoffs. Jeanie cannot mess this up. Also FO needs to make sure to gather as much assets as possible, that way when lebron retires you reload by trading for someone to pair next to AD.
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| E_Wulf420 wrote: | | We really went from one of the oldest team to one of the youngest teams in the playoffs. Jeanie cannot mess this up. Also FO needs to make sure to gather as much assets as possible, that way when lebron retires you reload by trading for someone to pair next to AD. |
Yup. These ideas of Harden or Kyrie are terrible.
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| I'd retain everybody, even guys like Beasley and Bamba still have value and movable contracts. No more letting assets walk out the door for nothing. |
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| BandwagonLBJhopper wrote: | | I'd retain everybody, even guys like Beasley and Bamba still have value and movable contracts. No more letting assets walk out the door for nothing. |
Ideally, yes. But I wouldn't hate Jeanie for cutting those two to maximize cash for the AR/Dlo contracts. They're absolutely the priority re-signs, Rui is next on the list, and then everybody else...I'd be ok either way, though disappointed. Beas or Mo would be good expiring deals to package with a pick or two in a mid-season trade for some actual rotation players, or maybe they rebound in Year 2. Really haven't seen enough of Mo to know what he is on this team anyway. |
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| Jordan-esque wrote: | I would say Core 7:
1. LeBron
2. Davis
3. Reaves
4. D’Angelo
5. Hachimura
6. Vanderbilt
7. Schröder |
I gotta come back to this group of 7. Some great replies that I agree with, but this is the core that got it done tonight. Beas came in for a bit, yes, and so did Troy, but the rotation tightens in the playoffs, and these seven players ALL played together and kicked butt on the Grizzlies.
Out of this group I'm most concerned about us being able to keep Schroder. Troy and Mo Bamba would be frosting. Beasley only if everything else works out and we have room. |
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: |
“…I would like to see what others think would be the best 8 now and to retain next…”
“Let’s assume you could only use 8. Who would it be this playoffs? Which 8 would you use next year?”
Mine:
AD24/Mo24
LBJ12/Rui24/(AD12)
Vando24/(LBJ24)
Reaves32/(Dlo16)
Dlo16/Schro32 |
I guess it was just too much to ask of internet posters. Sigh, oh well, it is what it is. Y’all do y’all thang, it’s cool. Lol!
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Watching this series, it's easy to think the Lakers should just move on from Beasley and Bamba, but I would disagree.
You get a whole offseason to integrate the two into your offense and defense more and rehabilitate their value, in case of trade opportunities.
It's also much easier to see Bamba being more effective during a regular season where teams can't be hyper-focused on a single matchup. |
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| I saw Max shot like 31% from 3 in the G-League, why are people so sure he's going to be even rotation-ready next year? |
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