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Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2023 3:42 pm Post subject:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Halflife wrote:
Im calling it. Suns are getting Myles+ for ayton.
That has crossed my mind but I think that they might need picks to deal.
I agree. And they don't have any lol. You could make the argument that Turner is more valuable than Ayton now by himself, given that he is significantly cheaper.
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Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2023 3:45 pm Post subject:
I wouldn’t count out Ayton until he had some time with a different coaching staff. Maybe nothing would change but maybe he could be shown how to focus. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
Good trade for the Suns. No 1st round pick required.
Pelinka gave up a 1st for Westbrook and basically a 1st for DLO.
They traded for the right to pay Beal $51 million/year for the next 4 years. If he continues to miss 30+ games/year . . . I'm not convinced that there was a huge market for Beal. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
Good trade for the Suns. No 1st round pick required.
Pelinka gave up a 1st for Westbrook and basically a 1st for DLO.
They traded for the right to pay Beal $51 million/year for the next 4 years. If he continues to miss 30+ games/year . . . I'm not convinced that there was a huge market for Beal.
He'll have plenty of help... _________________ Lakers need to build a freaking team !
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Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2023 3:51 pm Post subject:
venturalakersfan wrote:
I wouldn’t count out Ayton until he had some time with a different coaching staff. Maybe nothing would change but maybe he could be shown how to focus.
They need to deal him for multiple depth pieces. He's now a 4th option who isn't a defensive center who makes over $32MM. Maybe they can get GTJ to opt in and deal for he and Boucher from Toronto or something. Maybe Rozier and Martin from Charlotte.
Good trade for the Suns. No 1st round pick required.
Pelinka gave up a 1st for Westbrook and basically a 1st for DLO.
They traded for the right to pay Beal $51 million/year for the next 4 years. If he continues to miss 30+ games/year . . . I'm not convinced that there was a huge market for Beal.
He'll have plenty of help...
Help in what? Missing games?
KD is no iron man. Neither Book nor Ayton is, either.. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
I wouldn’t count out Ayton until he had some time with a different coaching staff. Maybe nothing would change but maybe he could be shown how to focus.
They need to deal him for multiple depth pieces. He's now a 4th option who isn't a defensive center who makes over $32MM. Maybe they can get GTJ to opt in and deal for he and Boucher from Toronto or something. Maybe Rozier and Martin from Charlotte.
Ayton's problems (in Phoenix) are that he's not a rim protector and he's not a great man defender. Trading him for a Turner or a Capela would make a huge difference for them. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
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Basically PHX had to double down the mistake they made last year. NBA has revolved from 3 superstar with a bunch of scrub, now the trend is couple super stars with a deep and young bench. Suns realized that after they traded for KD, now they are doubling down on the Beal trade. Even when Beal was healthy and younger, the best he and a prime John Wall couldn’t do was taken Wizards to 1st round exits.
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Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2023 4:38 pm Post subject:
Weren’t the Suns planning on letting CP3 walk so they could get under the hard cap and have their full MLE or something? Why the change of plans? _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
Weren’t the Suns planning on letting CP3 walk so they could get under the hard cap and have their full MLE or something? Why the change of plans?
I don’t think CP3 being waived had anything to do with avoiding salary cap/tax. They had felt he was not worth what his contract was paying and with the option they had, they were going to exercise it. There was even “discussion” about bringing him back at a lower rate. So it’s just them being prudent with their money since they had the team option on his contract. They were going to release him if they couldn’t use his contract as part of a trade. They’ve found a taker with Washington, now.
This could be a similar situation we have with Beasley/Bamba. If we can’t find a trade for them, we can still decline their options but try to retain them for less money.
So the Suns have six players under contract and are $9.3M over the luxury tax threshold. They are $8.2M from the second apron. I am amazed that they actually did this.
On the other hand, Windhorst was right that the Wizards wouldn't be able to get much for Beal.
Windhorst has been on it the last 2 offseasons. The NTC was really huge here. Just kills the team's leverage.
Yes, that's true, but on the other hand, the Wizards just rolled over. They were under no obligation to trade Beal. They could have waited. Making the deal right now saves them only a minimal amount of money and clears no cap space for this summer. So now they're running around looking for someone who will give them something for Chris Paul. Good luck with that. _________________ Internet Argument Resolved
Yeah, been thinking about Haynes report that the Clippers would be interested in Paul. Feels like stalking horse material to me. Maybe the Knicks could bite, despite having Brunson.
But I think Paul's greatest value at the moment remains his expiring contract. If say the Hawks want off Collins' deal bad enough, or maybe the Nets want to move off of Simmons, or the Mavs are looking to move off of one/all of Bertans, Hardaway, or McGee. If Washington is willing to take on salary I think they could leverage CP3's deal into a pick or two.
I think it will be one of the LA teams. His home is in LA, I doubt he wants to go east.
Lebron is his best friend, so I hope lebron made calls already. If the clippers are willing to give up assets for him, more power to them, but if he is available for vet min, we better get him
Yeah, been thinking about Haynes report that the Clippers would be interested in Paul. Feels like stalking horse material to me. Maybe the Knicks could bite, despite having Brunson.
But I think Paul's greatest value at the moment remains his expiring contract. If say the Hawks want off Collins' deal bad enough, or maybe the Nets want to move off of Simmons, or the Mavs are looking to move off of one/all of Bertans, Hardaway, or McGee. If Washington is willing to take on salary I think they could leverage CP3's deal into a pick or two.
That's true enough, but the flipside is that all of those deals result in the Wizards picking up a contract that they don't want. If they can get a good pick out of it, that may be worth it. We shall see. I may be surprised. I haven't exactly been Nostradamus lately. _________________ Internet Argument Resolved
I think it will be one of the LA teams. His home is in LA, I doubt he wants to go east.
Lebron is his best friend, so I hope lebron made calls already. If the clippers are willing to give up assets for him, more power to them, but if he is available for vet min, we better get him
Cp3,bron, AD is comical. We need aggressive youth next toAD.
I think it will be one of the LA teams. His home is in LA, I doubt he wants to go east.
Lebron is his best friend, so I hope lebron made calls already. If the clippers are willing to give up assets for him, more power to them, but if he is available for vet min, we better get him
Cp3,bron, AD is comical. We need aggressive youth next toAD.
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Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2023 6:20 pm Post subject:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
So the Suns have six players under contract and are $9.3M over the luxury tax threshold. They are $8.2M from the second apron. I am amazed that they actually did this.
On the other hand, Windhorst was right that the Wizards wouldn't be able to get much for Beal.
Windhorst has been on it the last 2 offseasons. The NTC was really huge here. Just kills the team's leverage.
Yes, that's true, but on the other hand, the Wizards just rolled over. They were under no obligation to trade Beal. They could have waited. Making the deal right now saves them only a minimal amount of money and clears no cap space for this summer. So now they're running around looking for someone who will give them something for Chris Paul. Good luck with that.
I think it really came down to them desperately wanting to get out of the contract and this was a way to do it without giving anything up. If they go into the season and Beal gets hurt, then no one wants him.
Yeah, been thinking about Haynes report that the Clippers would be interested in Paul. Feels like stalking horse material to me. Maybe the Knicks could bite, despite having Brunson.
But I think Paul's greatest value at the moment remains his expiring contract. If say the Hawks want off Collins' deal bad enough, or maybe the Nets want to move off of Simmons, or the Mavs are looking to move off of one/all of Bertans, Hardaway, or McGee. If Washington is willing to take on salary I think they could leverage CP3's deal into a pick or two.
That's true enough, but the flipside is that all of those deals result in the Wizards picking up a contract that they don't want. If they can get a good pick out of it, that may be worth it. We shall see. I may be surprised. I haven't exactly been Nostradamus lately.
Definitely, it's all conjecture at this point. That would be the point, to pick up draft capital for use of their cap sheet as a waystation. The ideal way to do that is the Horford blueprint. OKC got a first for taking on Al's deal from Philly, paid a year of his contract, and then flipped him for another 1st to Boston once his deal was shorter and his value was reestablished. That will be aided by the upcoming jump in the cap, and current deals start to looks smaller by comparison to new ones. There are some reclamation projects out there (like Collins, Simmons, Lonzo, Hardaway).
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Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2023 6:49 pm Post subject:
ChickenStu wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
I wouldn’t count out Ayton until he had some time with a different coaching staff. Maybe nothing would change but maybe he could be shown how to focus.
They need to deal him for multiple depth pieces. He's now a 4th option who isn't a defensive center who makes over $32MM. Maybe they can get GTJ to opt in and deal for he and Boucher from Toronto or something. Maybe Rozier and Martin from Charlotte.
They can only deal Ayton 1 for 1, they can’t aggregate salaries from what I understand. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
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