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Outspoken
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| Brawn13 wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | If he gets traded, you all are going to wish we still had him. Going to ask "why didn't he do that for us?" |
He’ll never have the opportunity here. He needs to go to a tanking team that doesn’t care about winning at all so they can afford to play him during his growing pains |
I understand that we are in win now, but the problem with Lakers and young talent is that Lakers don't develop them.
There are exceptions, but for the most part, Lakers don't.
How does anybody expect a young player to develop with no playing time in the NBA? They can't.
G league is way different than the NBA.
And then fans have these ridiculous comparisons.
Comparing a player that isn't getting developed - no playing time, to a players getting developed and playing time.
How does anybody compare a 20+ minute rookie to a player averaging 5 minutes to no minutes?
Coaches also plays Jalen out of position, when he is a point guard, not a shooting guard - no matter if it is positionless basketball.
Have to play players to their strength.
Then when the player plays well on another team, fans regret Lakers giving up the player.
Probably call Rob an idiot for trading him, but he is also an idiot for drafting him.
The cycle continues.
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Pete on LFR talking about how the two choices were Kobe Bufkin (gotta get those Kobe B. jerseys out) and JHS and since Bufkin came off the board they picked JHS. Darius also pushing back on this idea that it was a totally Rob decision. JHS was the consensus pick.
I think they hoped that by year 2 or 3 JHS could be DAngelo Russell and that they would've traded Russell last summer. Alas. |
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| levon wrote: | Pete on LFR talking about how the two choices were Kobe Bufkin (gotta get those Kobe B. jerseys out) and JHS and since Bufkin came off the board they picked JHS. Darius also pushing back on this idea that it was a totally Rob decision. JHS was the consensus pick.
I think they hoped that by year 2 or 3 JHS could be DAngelo Russell and that they would've traded Russell last summer. Alas. |
So easy changing the context of what happened 2 years ago in the draft and then act like people know what really happened, I love Pete and Darius is pretty cool but they know nada |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | If he gets traded, you all are going to wish we still had him. Going to ask "why didn't he do that for us?" |
Moving on from JHS wouldn't be a huge loss because he was never projected to have a high ceiling anyway. Just opens up an opportunity for Olivari who looks like an infinitely better prospect.
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You should be ashamed of yourself for linking us to a Anthony Irwin’s report |
I'm getting lectured on speculative reporting by IG?  |
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tox
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| levon wrote: | Pete on LFR talking about how the two choices were Kobe Bufkin (gotta get those Kobe B. jerseys out) and JHS and since Bufkin came off the board they picked JHS. Darius also pushing back on this idea that it was a totally Rob decision. JHS was the consensus pick.
I think they hoped that by year 2 or 3 JHS could be DAngelo Russell and that they would've traded Russell last summer. Alas. |
I kinda see the vision except that JHS demonstrated none of the shooting talent and really little of the playmaking creativity that DLO showed in college. I don't remember ballhandling but I assume DLO was a better prospect there too. You were hoping for outlying shooting development for that vision to happen. |
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| CRoost wrote: | | zambia wrote: |
He’ll be combined with DLO’s salary. |
Brogdon |
Yea. DLO + JHS + vet min (Reddish) gets you to $25M in expiring contracts. What do you get back with that much outgoing salary? Brogdon is one idea |
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gng930
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| tox wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | zambia wrote: |
He’ll be combined with DLO’s salary. |
Brogdon |
Yea. DLO + JHS + vet min (Reddish) gets you to $25M in expiring contracts. What do you get back with that much outgoing salary? Brogdon is one idea |
He fits so well, perimeter defender, playmaker, and spot-up shooter. I just wish we could bank on his health more.
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| tox wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | zambia wrote: |
He’ll be combined with DLO’s salary. |
Brogdon |
Yea. DLO + JHS + vet min (Reddish) gets you to $25M in expiring contracts. What do you get back with that much outgoing salary? Brogdon is one idea |
Looking how AD-Jax is looking decent, Vas is right, Myles Turner
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| gng930 wrote: | | tox wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | zambia wrote: |
He’ll be combined with DLO’s salary. |
Brogdon |
Yea. DLO + JHS + vet min (Reddish) gets you to $25M in expiring contracts. What do you get back with that much outgoing salary? Brogdon is one idea |
He fits so well, perimeter defender, playmaker, and spot-up shooter. I just wish we could bank on his health more. |
As soon as FA opened during the summer of 2022 after the 1st Westbrook season…when everyone knew he had to be traded…I wanted Rob to jump right away on the rumors that the Pacers were interested in dealing Brogdon/Heild/Turner. The deal worked with Westbrook/THT but would have required both 1st round picks of which I felt was worth it.
It’s a sore spot to revisit:
Turner/TBryant
AD/Wenyen
LBJ/SJohnson
Heild/AR
Brogdon/Shroeder
Concerned about Brogdon missing time now tho.
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| CRoost wrote: | | zambia wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Brawn13 wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | If he gets traded, you all are going to wish we still had him. Going to ask "why didn't he do that for us?" |
He’ll never have the opportunity here. He needs to go to a tanking team that doesn’t care about winning at all so they can afford to play him during his growing pains |
Or he could just grow in the G-League and play on the main roster when he's ready. Which accomplishes the same thing in terms of getting reps and experience. |
The Lakers need guys who can help right now, |
They aren't getting that for JHS. |
We all know he’s gonna be combined with other salaries |
He’ll be combined with DLO’s salary. |
Brogdon |
What’s in it for Washington?
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| governator wrote: | | tox wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | zambia wrote: |
He’ll be combined with DLO’s salary. |
Brogdon |
Yea. DLO + JHS + vet min (Reddish) gets you to $25M in expiring contracts. What do you get back with that much outgoing salary? Brogdon is one idea |
Looking how AD-Jax is looking decent, Vas is right, Myles Turner |
That's creates the problem of moving a $17 million player who is playing well (Rui) to the bench. I'd rather go for a part-time starter like Olynyk/Jonas that we can plug into the starting lineup depending on the matchup. There's so much PTSD from getting rocked by the Nuggets that we're at risk for overcompensating for a team that is looking like a shell of its former self.
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | gng930 wrote: | | tox wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | zambia wrote: |
He’ll be combined with DLO’s salary. |
Brogdon |
Yea. DLO + JHS + vet min (Reddish) gets you to $25M in expiring contracts. What do you get back with that much outgoing salary? Brogdon is one idea |
He fits so well, perimeter defender, playmaker, and spot-up shooter. I just wish we could bank on his health more. |
As soon as FA opened during the summer of 2022 after the 1st Westbrook season…when everyone knew he had to be traded…I wanted Rob to jump right away on the rumors that the Pacers were interested in dealing Brogdon/Heild/Turner. The deal worked with Westbrook/THT but would have required both 1st round picks of which I felt was worth it.
It’s a sore spot to revisit:
Turner/TBryant
AD/Wenyen
LBJ/SJohnson
Heild/AR
Brogdon/Shroeder
Concerned about Brogdon missing time now tho. |
Kinda doubt we could've gotten all three with Indy already insisting on both of our FRPs just for Hield/Turner, THT being a negative asset, and Boston willing to give up a FRP for Brogdon.
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| levon wrote: | Pete on LFR talking about how the two choices were Kobe Bufkin (gotta get those Kobe B. jerseys out) and JHS and since Bufkin came off the board they picked JHS. Darius also pushing back on this idea that it was a totally Rob decision. JHS was the consensus pick.
I think they hoped that by year 2 or 3 JHS could be DAngelo Russell and that they would've traded Russell last summer. Alas. |
my confidence in the scouting department has really taken a beating the last few years. The choices were JHS or Bufkin?? WTF is going in there? |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | levon wrote: | Pete on LFR talking about how the two choices were Kobe Bufkin (gotta get those Kobe B. jerseys out) and JHS and since Bufkin came off the board they picked JHS. Darius also pushing back on this idea that it was a totally Rob decision. JHS was the consensus pick.
I think they hoped that by year 2 or 3 JHS could be DAngelo Russell and that they would've traded Russell last summer. Alas. |
my confidence in the scouting department has really taken a beating the last few years. The choices were JHS or Bufkin?? WTF is going in there? |
Curse of Jerry West. Ryan West is also gone. I'm guessing Buss kids don't have as much input as they used to.
I used to have tons of faith in the picks, and it seems like they drafted a sleeper every year (Zu, Clarkson, Hart, Kuz, etc). Now I don't even care anymore.
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| pjiddy wrote: | | levon wrote: | Pete on LFR talking about how the two choices were Kobe Bufkin (gotta get those Kobe B. jerseys out) and JHS and since Bufkin came off the board they picked JHS. Darius also pushing back on this idea that it was a totally Rob decision. JHS was the consensus pick.
I think they hoped that by year 2 or 3 JHS could be DAngelo Russell and that they would've traded Russell last summer. Alas. |
my confidence in the scouting department has really taken a beating the last few years. The choices were JHS or Bufkin?? WTF is going in there? |
They mentioned how the Lakers are understaffed and so the scouting guys were presumably focused on the Westbrook fiasco for the duration of that season. Implied that draft didn't get the attention that it normally does. All boils down to how cheap the Buss are ultimately. I don't think the LFR guys have any reason to defend Rob so I trust their account of what happened. My position is they should have never made that pick. |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | levon wrote: | Pete on LFR talking about how the two choices were Kobe Bufkin (gotta get those Kobe B. jerseys out) and JHS and since Bufkin came off the board they picked JHS. Darius also pushing back on this idea that it was a totally Rob decision. JHS was the consensus pick.
I think they hoped that by year 2 or 3 JHS could be DAngelo Russell and that they would've traded Russell last summer. Alas. |
my confidence in the scouting department has really taken a beating the last few years. The choices were JHS or Bufkin?? WTF is going in there? |
It should. I recently read that JHS was Pelinka's pick. Glad Knecht falling to us made the pick a no brainer. |
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | gng930 wrote: | | tox wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | zambia wrote: |
He’ll be combined with DLO’s salary. |
Brogdon |
Yea. DLO + JHS + vet min (Reddish) gets you to $25M in expiring contracts. What do you get back with that much outgoing salary? Brogdon is one idea |
He fits so well, perimeter defender, playmaker, and spot-up shooter. I just wish we could bank on his health more. |
As soon as FA opened during the summer of 2022 after the 1st Westbrook season…when everyone knew he had to be traded…I wanted Rob to jump right away on the rumors that the Pacers were interested in dealing Brogdon/Heild/Turner. The deal worked with Westbrook/THT but would have required both 1st round picks of which I felt was worth it.
It’s a sore spot to revisit:
Turner/TBryant
AD/Wenyen
LBJ/SJohnson
Heild/AR
Brogdon/Shroeder
Concerned about Brogdon missing time now tho. |
That trade idea got a lot of heat here back then. A lot of people didn’t think they were worth the pick. I mean the same crap is happening now with our picks. A few of us were willing to give up the picks for Hield and Turner because of just the fit they bring in on the team.
People expected superstar return with 2-3 picks. Reality is thats the cost for a true 3rd-4th option minimum.
Plus it’s not like we have drafted well the last few years with the picks we had available. |
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If it was both picks for all three of them I'm sure it would've swayed many including myself. I recall the consensus being that you could only somewhat realistically get 2 of those 3 and once Brogdon was off the board it defaulted to Hield. Despite Hield's hot start, I'm not totally sold to this day. Hield is benefiting from a high-octane offense and flamed out in Philadelphia where they play a more similar offense to ours.
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| pjiddy wrote: | | levon wrote: | Pete on LFR talking about how the two choices were Kobe Bufkin (gotta get those Kobe B. jerseys out) and JHS and since Bufkin came off the board they picked JHS. Darius also pushing back on this idea that it was a totally Rob decision. JHS was the consensus pick.
I think they hoped that by year 2 or 3 JHS could be DAngelo Russell and that they would've traded Russell last summer. Alas. |
my confidence in the scouting department has really taken a beating the last few years. The choices were JHS or Bufkin?? WTF is going in there? |
How is Cam Whitmore doing this year? |
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| gng930 wrote: | | governator wrote: | | tox wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | zambia wrote: |
He’ll be combined with DLO’s salary. |
Brogdon |
Yea. DLO + JHS + vet min (Reddish) gets you to $25M in expiring contracts. What do you get back with that much outgoing salary? Brogdon is one idea |
Looking how AD-Jax is looking decent, Vas is right, Myles Turner |
That's creates the problem of moving a $17 million player who is playing well (Rui) to the bench. I'd rather go for a part-time starter like Olynyk/Jonas that we can plug into the starting lineup depending on the matchup. There's so much PTSD from getting rocked by the Nuggets that we're at risk for overcompensating for a team that is looking like a shell of its former self. |
That’s a good problem to have plus there’s Wood aka Rui insurance but imagine a free safety AD-Vando with Turner
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| Outspoken wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | levon wrote: | Pete on LFR talking about how the two choices were Kobe Bufkin (gotta get those Kobe B. jerseys out) and JHS and since Bufkin came off the board they picked JHS. Darius also pushing back on this idea that it was a totally Rob decision. JHS was the consensus pick.
I think they hoped that by year 2 or 3 JHS could be DAngelo Russell and that they would've traded Russell last summer. Alas. |
my confidence in the scouting department has really taken a beating the last few years. The choices were JHS or Bufkin?? WTF is going in there? |
How is Cam Whitmore doing this year? |
Most people boil a player's performance down to pure stats when evaluating a player. It looks like neither Whitmore nor Jaquez are doing well statistically this year.
My focus would be more on how well they would fit playing along side AD & Lebron and company, and in the coach's system. Depending on what I'd have to give up, Jaquez would fit well here. |
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| governator wrote: | | tox wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | zambia wrote: |
He’ll be combined with DLO’s salary. |
Brogdon |
Yea. DLO + JHS + vet min (Reddish) gets you to $25M in expiring contracts. What do you get back with that much outgoing salary? Brogdon is one idea |
Looking how AD-Jax is looking decent, Vas is right, Myles Turner |
Why does Indy do that lol |
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| LakerDYnasty72 wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | levon wrote: | Pete on LFR talking about how the two choices were Kobe Bufkin (gotta get those Kobe B. jerseys out) and JHS and since Bufkin came off the board they picked JHS. Darius also pushing back on this idea that it was a totally Rob decision. JHS was the consensus pick.
I think they hoped that by year 2 or 3 JHS could be DAngelo Russell and that they would've traded Russell last summer. Alas. |
my confidence in the scouting department has really taken a beating the last few years. The choices were JHS or Bufkin?? WTF is going in there? |
It should. I recently read that JHS was Pelinka's pick. Glad Knecht falling to us made the pick a no brainer. |
There was a Spectrum Access episode about the draft where Pelinka says to a clearly happy Jesse Buss that the Lakers got Jesse’s man when we picked JHS. It was a scouting department pick. No one bats 100. |
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| governator wrote: | | gng930 wrote: | | governator wrote: | | tox wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | zambia wrote: |
He’ll be combined with DLO’s salary. |
Brogdon |
Yea. DLO + JHS + vet min (Reddish) gets you to $25M in expiring contracts. What do you get back with that much outgoing salary? Brogdon is one idea |
Looking how AD-Jax is looking decent, Vas is right, Myles Turner |
That's creates the problem of moving a $17 million player who is playing well (Rui) to the bench. I'd rather go for a part-time starter like Olynyk/Jonas that we can plug into the starting lineup depending on the matchup. There's so much PTSD from getting rocked by the Nuggets that we're at risk for overcompensating for a team that is looking like a shell of its former self. |
That’s a good problem to have plus there’s Wood aka Rui insurance but imagine a free safety AD-Vando with Turner |
It's a good problem but not when you're limited with assets and cap wiggle room. There's isn't really much room for additional waste. If you have Rui going out in a separate (or maybe this) trade, that's a different story.
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