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| I'm actually happy to see him get some time and contribute |
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pjiddy
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Where the F has this guy been? He's had hamstring issues since the season began. Is he overworked from the 26 minutes he's played between pros and G-league? Least this bust could do inflate his value by at least half a puff with some meaningless G-league games and he can't even do that.
It's not enough to release this guy when his contract is up. Lakers need to shoot him out of a cannon. |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2024 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| pjiddy wrote: | Where the F has this guy been? He's had hamstring issues since the season began. Is he overworked from the 26 minutes he's played between pros and G-league? Least this bust could do inflate his value by at least half a puff with some meaningless G-league games and he can't even do that.
It's not enough to release this guy when his contract is up. Lakers need to shoot him out of a cannon. |
 
I needed that.. I swear Rob must've cheated with a relative of his or something .. no way he scouted this boy.. |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2024 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Bronny is a better prospect then JHS .. it is what it is, we had other prospects who were ready to help AD and LeBron but they decided to go with a player who is having a hard time adjusting to the NBA game |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2024 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Bronny is a better prospect then JHS .. |
Under what pretense are you basing that on? Can't be G-League performance.
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levon
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| Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2024 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Bronny is a better prospect then JHS .. |
Under what pretense are you basing that on? Can't be G-League performance. |
Bronny can jump |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2024 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Bronny is a better prospect then JHS .. |
Under what pretense are you basing that on? Can't be G-League performance. |
G League performance is Important in evaluating what a player can be down the road potentially, we will never know what we have with JHS cause we hardly use him unless it’s garbage time, the Lakers are also prioritizing Bronny over JHS |
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MJST
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| Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2024 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Bronny is a better prospect then JHS .. |
Under what pretense are you basing that on? Can't be G-League performance. |
G League performance is Important in evaluating what a player can be down the road potentially, |
Yeah thats why I said you can't be basing it on G-League performance. Bronny has had one good game and one solid game. JHS was having a good and efficient(key word there) season.
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tox
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JHS is the better G-League player but I think Bronny is more likely to be a useful rotation player. At least the player Bronny theoretically can become is clearly useful. JHS is going to be a slow-footed guard with good size and hands (so maybe a decent defender) who projects to be an on ball guard. Even if he becomes good enough at that to stick around in the league, he likely won't be good enough to actually be a winning player. Like a Jordan Clarkson caliber player would be an amazing outcome for JHS but there's a reason Clarkson has never been on winning teams.
I get that unlike most of those kinds of dudes JHS could theoretically be a good defensive player but the point is it's tough being a non-star on ball player. Even a guy like Ingram is debatably good. If I'm being honest, I don't even think Tatum is there, but he has off ball skills and he has an incredible roster that lets him compete. Anyway, it's why I really dislike the archetype of prospect like JHS. I'd MUCH rather draft the likes of Josh Hart, LNJ, Lonzo (the player he became), etc. or pick up UDFAs like Reaves/Caruso who slot around a future star. If you want to draft a guy who has that upside (Whitmore counts even though he looks like a bust, DLO/Lonzo/BI count too), that is fine, though if I'm the Lakers I'm frankly trying to attract a star to come here a la Shaq/ LeBron.
Anyway this is all to say that Bronny becoming a GP2 like player has clear value, even if it's an unlikely best case scenario. Who are some role players JHS projects to, even if also an unlikely best case scenario, who are actually useful for winning rings? |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2024 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| tox wrote: | JHS is the better G-League player but I think Bronny is more likely to be a useful rotation player. At least the player Bronny theoretically can become is clearly useful. JHS is going to be a slow-footed guard with good size and hands (so maybe a decent defender) who projects to be an on ball guard. Even if he becomes good enough at that to stick around in the league, he likely won't be good enough to actually be a winning player. Like a Jordan Clarkson caliber player would be an amazing outcome for JHS but there's a reason Clarkson has never been on winning teams.
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When you look at the teams he's been on it's understandable.
Put Clarkson as a 6th man on a team like the Suns/Celtics/Nuggets/Lakers/T'Wolves/Bucks and suddenly he's on a 'winning team' and becomes seen as a winning player. Kessler isn't a 'winning' player by the metric of being on a crappy team if that is the case.
Clarkson is a useful 6th man on a winning team and that is the only role he should have in the league.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2024 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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Kessler is 23.
Clarkson was on the '18 Cavs who made it to the Finals. He played 15 mpg and put up 4.7/1.7/0.7 on 36% TS%
I'm not saying Clarkson is a scrub but he isn't really a winning player. You can contrive a roster where he is useful but there is a ceiling for these offense first bench players (Crawford, Williams come to mind). Again the argument for JHS is he can play defense but him getting to even 70% of 6MOY offensive output is a pipe dream
JHS's one path to being a winning player as an on ball player is to be good enough to be the main ballhandler / playmaker off the bench. But those guys are almost always overpaid on bad teams so the cap becomes hard to finagle. Whereas you can usually get high end off ball players (Caruso, Hart etc) for much cheaper |
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| MJST wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Bronny is a better prospect then JHS .. |
Under what pretense are you basing that on? Can't be G-League performance. |
One has managed to do at least a single thing on an NBA level (on-ball defense) in an NBA game while the other has shown zero. |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Bronny is a better prospect then JHS .. |
Under what pretense are you basing that on? Can't be G-League performance. |
One has managed to do at least a single thing on an NBA level (on-ball defense) in an NBA game |
Bronny's on ball defense at the NBA level has sucked. It's been run up in someones chest and gamble on steals. Stuff that doesn't actually work in real games when players care outside of pre-season.
He showed potential because people missed on rotations he was late on, and he appeared to be hustling because he was gambling on steals. All erratic, no actual planning or timing. That's not 'good defense'. Smush Parker used to do the same thing.
What he's shown in the G-League recently however is much more calculated, and what you want to see if he could translate at the nect level. On that end.
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I guess if it's any consolation, Podz, Whitmore and Jaquez have all been underwhelming this season. Podz has been especially terrible in 4th quarters. My personal evaluation of this draft comes down to whether Max Lewis can develop into a solid piece. It seems like the Lakers viewed JHS as the best lead guard left on the board and Lewis as someone with potential comparable to Whitmore but without the red flags. From a process perspective, I get it.
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| manlisten wrote: | | I guess if it's any consolation, Podz, Whitmore and Jaquez have all been underwhelming this season. Podz has been especially terrible in 4th quarters. My personal evaluation of this draft comes down to whether Max Lewis can develop into a solid piece. It seems like the Lakers viewed JHS as the best lead guard left on the board and Lewis as someone with potential comparable to Whitmore but without the red flags. From a process perspective, I get it. |
The thing is, by not keeping him, the front office either doesn't feel he has the potential or he doesn't fit with our timeline, Either way, it was the wrong pick to make |
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| manlisten wrote: | | I guess if it's any consolation, Podz, Whitmore and Jaquez have all been underwhelming this season. Podz has been especially terrible in 4th quarters. My personal evaluation of this draft comes down to whether Max Lewis can develop into a solid piece. It seems like the Lakers viewed JHS as the best lead guard left on the board and Lewis as someone with potential comparable to Whitmore but without the red flags. From a process perspective, I get it. |
My theory is Rob just did what he did this year: took the guy that mock drafts said to take. He has no clue what talent looks like. Its why he has to run every FA/trade acquisition by Lebron/AD. So if it doesn’t work out, he can say “Hey, Lebron/AD liked him.” This year’s draft was easy bc a guy Lebron publically lauded was available.
When we release JHS, dollars to donuts Rob will mention that a lot of mock drafts had JHS going 16th or higher so he wasn’t the only one who got it wrong. |
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| MJST wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Bronny is a better prospect then JHS .. |
Under what pretense are you basing that on? Can't be G-League performance. |
One has managed to do at least a single thing on an NBA level (on-ball defense) in an NBA game |
Bronny's on ball defense at the NBA level has sucked. It's been run up in someones chest and gamble on steals. Stuff that doesn't actually work in real games when players care outside of pre-season.
He showed potential because people missed on rotations he was late on, and he appeared to be hustling because he was gambling on steals. All erratic, no actual planning or timing. That's not 'good defense'. Smush Parker used to do the same thing.
What he's shown in the G-League recently however is much more calculated, and what you want to see if he could translate at the nect level. On that end. |
I think he has a ways to go, but I’ve at least seen flashes of an NBA-level on-ball defender. Will he stick in the league? I don’t know, but we only spent a 55th pick on him. And of he’s as bad as you say, he’s at least shown us that anyone can put up 30 points in the G-league if the org wants you to.
Our mid-first round pick from last year, meanwhile, has been so bad, the greatest value the lakers see in him is as an expiring contract. |
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| whitmore 27 pts tonight. probably more than jhs will score this season. |
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| lakersfan32 wrote: | | whitmore 27 pts tonight. probably more than jhs will score this season. |
Try career. |
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Crazy how fast everyone collectively realized he was a dead roster spot. By February it was clear he wasn't going to amount to anything.
I hope he figures things out eventually. |
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Scouting department would have been fired for picking this guy if I owned the team
Picked over two players who could have offered some floor minutes immediately
Rob or whoever got tricked or they're stupid
I'll guarantee they never saw this kid play unorganized ball against adults
He acted like he had never played basketball against a grown man before
^^Why its so difficult to have been a Kobe fan before he came to the league. He did not give a bleep who you were.. you were another obstacle to destroy and JHS acts like victim of child abuse out there when competing against actual Men.
Did he come with preexisting back problems too? |
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| Lakeshow23_ wrote: | Crazy how fast everyone collectively realized he was a dead roster spot. By February it was clear he wasn't going to amount to anything.
I hope he figures things out eventually. |
Depends on how quickly he can learn Chinese |
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| ContagiousInspiration wrote: | Scouting department would have been fired for picking this guy if I owned the team
Picked over two players who could have offered some floor minutes immediately
Rob or whoever got tricked or they're stupid
I'll guarantee they never saw this kid play unorganized ball against adults
He acted like he had never played basketball against a grown man before
^^Why its so difficult to have been a Kobe fan before he came to the league. He did not give a bleep who you were.. you were another obstacle to destroy and JHS acts like victim of child abuse out there when competing against actual Men.
Did he come with preexisting back problems too? |
The head of scouting is an owner
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| Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2024 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| ContagiousInspiration wrote: | Scouting department would have been fired for picking this guy if I owned the team
Picked over two players who could have offered some floor minutes immediately
Rob or whoever got tricked or they're stupid
I'll guarantee they never saw this kid play unorganized ball against adults
He acted like he had never played basketball against a grown man before
^^Why its so difficult to have been a Kobe fan before he came to the league. He did not give a bleep who you were.. you were another obstacle to destroy and JHS acts like victim of child abuse out there when competing against actual Men.
Did he come with preexisting back problems too? |
Nobody bats 100. The lakers scouting department has more than proved their ability. Every talent evaluator in the history of the game has made big and small whiffs on occasion. They biffed last years’ 17. It happens. Over reacting to it is laughable. |
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