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Megaton
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:34 pm Post subject:

Hanging from Rafters wrote:

At least it was wasn’t a 6’4” or shorter guard. The selection shouldn’t mean anyone else currently on the team is expendable because we don’t know what we got with a draft pick but we know what we got this year from the players on the team.

Hopefully it’s a selection for a trade with another team for a player we need. Was he the best player available?

I like his upside and long term potential but AR is a combo guard and Dlo is a combo guard. I don’t think he can replace either in time to compete for a ship with LBJ/AD.

JHS is the Schroder replacement.
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:34 pm Post subject:

Welcome FINO

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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:34 pm Post subject:

LakerLogic wrote:

Ceiling is Jamal Murray 2.0

Floor is THT? Lol

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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:34 pm Post subject:

So much pessimism here. Hope the kids shows out.

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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:35 pm Post subject:

mad55557777 wrote:

LakerLogic wrote:

Ceiling is Jamal Murray 2.0

Floor is THT? Lol

Floor is Caruso.
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:35 pm Post subject:

epic_ wrote:

mad55557777 wrote:

LakerLogic wrote:

Ceiling is Jamal Murray 2.0

Floor is THT? Lol

Floor is Caruso.

Floor is all NBA defense first team? I will take it

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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:35 pm Post subject:

epic_ wrote:

mad55557777 wrote:

LakerLogic wrote:

Ceiling is Jamal Murray 2.0

Floor is THT? Lol

Floor is Caruso.

With a mid-range jumper and can run an offense.

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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:36 pm Post subject:

Ignore the pessimism. I trust the Lakers scouting team more than people who work for Ralphs or whatever they do for a living.

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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:37 pm Post subject:

tox wrote:

Yea 78% from the line... shot form seems decent? Plus good midrange shooting as a proof-of-concept. Agree with the people concerned with his layup efficiency tho. 52.5% wat

He doesn’t have a lot of hops, but the touch is there. (Reverse brick)

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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:37 pm Post subject:

I think the key is to pretend that the Buss Bros pick at 40 is our first rounder and Rob's pick at 17 is our 2nd rounder.

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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:37 pm Post subject:

mad55557777 wrote:

epic_ wrote:

mad55557777 wrote:

LakerLogic wrote:

Ceiling is Jamal Murray 2.0

Floor is THT? Lol

Floor is Caruso.

Floor is all NBA defense first team? I will take it

Rookie Caruso. Not 6th year Caruso 😁
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:37 pm Post subject:

LakerLogic wrote:

epic_ wrote:

mad55557777 wrote:

LakerLogic wrote:

Ceiling is Jamal Murray 2.0

Floor is THT? Lol

Floor is Caruso.

With a mid-range jumper and can run an offense.

Sounds like the THT description in 2020-2021

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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:38 pm Post subject:

pjiddy wrote:

I think the key is to pretend that the Buss Bros pick at 40 is our first rounder and Rob's pick at 17 is our 2nd rounder.

Or we just let the kid play and see how it plays out.

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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:39 pm Post subject:

Megaton wrote:

Hanging from Rafters wrote:

JHS is the Schroder replacement.

If that’s the plan A it’s a risky gamble…hope it pays off. I like that kind of size as a combo guard and I like his defense. We need him with Shro tho, not instead of Shro if serious about contending next year.
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:40 pm Post subject:

Sam Vecenie of The Athletic had him at #15. This is long, so I am breaking it into pieces.

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15. Jalen Hood-Schifino

G/W | Indiana | Birthdate: June 19, 2003 (Age: 20) | 6-4 | 215 LBS | Hometown: Pittsburgh

BACKGROUND

Parents are Angel and Glenn. Hood-Schifino was born in Pittsburgh and lived there until he was in middle school, when the family moved to Charlotte. He quickly became a sought-after prospect as a high school player, largely due to his frame and affin ity for playing on both ends of the court. He was well-traveled. He started his high school career at Northside Christian Academy in Charlotte, then moved to Combine Academy in Lincolnton, N.C. During that season, he committed to Pitt under coach Jeff Capel III but decided to go through a more robust recruiting process after blowing up as an elite recruit in the summer between his sophomore and junior seasons. Transferred following that year to his final landing spot, Florida powerhouse Montverde Academy. Was consistently among the best players at Montverde, playing with fellow terrific recruits such as Dariq Whitehead, Malik Reneau and Dillon Mitchell. The previous year, he played with draft picks Jalen Duren and Caleb Houstan. Came off the bench as a junior but played a critical role. Started at point guard as a senior and was integral to the team’s success. During both seasons, the team won the GEICO national tournament. Because of all the talent around him, Hood-Schifino’s impact on the game has always gone a bit underrated. He was passed over for the McDonald’s All-American game and Nike Hoop Summit, although he was a Jordan Brand Classic invitee. Many schools didn’t think he was a point guard. Ultimately, Hood-Schifino was considered a consensus top-30 recruit and was a borderline five-star player. He committed to Indiana over Florida, Memphis, Texas and Tennessee and chose Indiana in part because the Hoosiers saw him as a point guard. After Xavier Johnson’s inju ry, Hood-Schifino got his chance to play point and thrived. He won the Big Ten Conference Rookie of the Year award and was named third-team All-Big Ten. He helped lead Indiana to a top-four seed in the NCAA Tournament, where the Hoosiers even tually lost in the second round to Miami. Hood-Schifino declared for the 2023 NBA Draft after the season, as he was considered one of the bigger risers of the college basketball campaign. He was invited to the 2023 NBA Draft Combine.

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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:41 pm Post subject:

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I'm hopeful about this pick, but not in love with it. Personally, I would have loved it if for once we selected a player who could actually shoot the damn ball from distance with consistency.

No doubt we'll pick a shooter at 40, but I suspect t that player will prove inconsistent from 3 despite "great looking" percentages (otherwise, said player wouldnt be a second round pick).

Honestly, we should have taken Cam Whitmore. Solid lottery talent who would have been a steal here.

Having said all that from an immediate emotional response, I nevertheless trust the scouting department, so I'll eventually get to a happier place with it.

Cam Whitemore apparently has a lot of red flags with medicals, and rumors of him lacking effort. He fell hard for a reason.

I don’t want players who are just good shooters. Because everytime, EVERY FREAKING TIME, we get a player who’s a known shooter, CRAPS THE BED on the Lakers. It happens all the time, and I’m sick of it.

Ironically, the best shooters on the this team, are players who can do more than just shoot the ball. Austin Reaves being a prime example of that.

So this works for me. I think the kid is a better shooter than his overall season in college, and he’s got Phil Handy working with him. He’ll be fine.

We only take "great shooters" in the second round; i.e., guys who had good percentages in college, but were never money or they'd be 1st round picks.

Secondly, did you not just watch the playoffs? If we had had a money shooter, we would have beat the Nuggets. WE NEED AN ELITE SHOOTER.

As for Cam, the slide reminds me of the "red flags" on Kawhi Leonard. Im not some huge Cam Whitmore fan, BUt ... You heed "red flags" when you're picking at no. 8. You take the steal when a no. 8 picks falls to you at 17.

Hopefully, this kid ends up balling out, but with regard to picking a shooter or not, I dont think this was an either/or scenario. We had plenty of talented options still on the board.

Again, if a lot of you are familiar with this kid's game, I'll defer to you and be hopeful about it. I just know that we desperately need money shooters in this day and age and I'm sick of not having any.

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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:41 pm Post subject:

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STRENGTHS

Hood-Schifino has terrific size for whatever role he ends up playing, be it at point or on the wing as a secondary ballhandler. He’s a strong, physical 6-foot-4 without shoes with a great plus-six wingspan and a 215-pound frame. The key to Hood-Schifino’s game is his versatility and overall feel. There are very few holes in what he brings to the table, and he’s smart enough as a processor to think things through on the court.

Offensively, it all starts out of ball screens. Hood-Schifino is a tremendous pick-and-roll player who thrives taking a screen and making plays. Plays with a terrific tempo and pace, plus has great feel for how to take (or reject) screens. Changes gears well and has high-level footwork to get separation. Knows how to snake dribble and get his man onto his hip but can also hit the brakes with hang dribbles and hesitations to get free from bigs in drop or guards recovering. Goes slow to fast well. Has a bit more burst here than initially meets the eye. Love the way he strings out bigs and forces them to engage with him. Handles ball pressure well by making early passing reads. Very poised for the most part.

As a scorer, Hood-Schifino loves to try to get into the midrange. Loves the elbow jumper and loves to get to his right and pull-up. Was good at taking a screen or a dribble handoff from Trayce Jackson-Davis in the middle of the floor, getting downhill to his right, then stopping and popping. If you play drop coverage against him, it’s going to be a struggle. He’s one of those guys who doesn’t really need to be aligned with his feet toward the rim when rising but can align himself in midair to get a clean, balanced look. Also, good going to his left. Tends to get a bit more penetration to the right than the left, so his percentages are a bit worse from the left side of the floor. In total, Hood-Schifino made 42.3 percent of his midrange pull-up jumpers this past season, per Synergy, a very good number for a teenager. From the middle, he has a potential floater game too, which could help with some of his issues at the rim. Can take them off one foot or two. Made 41 percent of those, per Synergy. But he can also pull up from 3 at times. He typically takes a couple of those per game and shows real potential because he’s always on balance. If guys go under, he’s unafraid to stop behind the 3-point line and go for it. It’s not the most polished skill, but he can be very good in time. He took nearly two of those per game and made them at a 37 percent clip, per Synergy. He has a well-rounded skill set as a scorer out of screening actions, and it’s easy to buy him as a high-level scorer in these situations as he gets older.

He also pairs this with strong feel as a passer. Averaged 4.4 assists per game. Hood-Schifino’s terrific at finding his teammates once he gets into the middle of the court. Always has his head up and is ready to find teammates as soon as he comes off the screen. Legitimately can manipulate defenders with his vision and with his driving as he takes up space to engage defenders. That ability to play at pace, slow down and draw defenders toward him or keep them hostage on his back and hip works wonders. Consistently reads the backside help defenders to find open targets. In terms of execution, he can hit live-dribble kickouts with either hand and the cross-corner pass to wide-open 3-point shooters. Finds smart angles on jump stops to hit open spot up shooters, like a Villanova-style guard such as Jalen Brunson. Also had great chemistry with Jackson-Davis as a roller, often finding him on sharp little pocket passes. Their synergy together this past season was the lifeblood of Indiana’s offense.

Hood-Schifino pairs a terrific offensive ball screen game with being an awesome defender. Great pressure on the ball at the point of attack. Gets into defenders’ space and has terrific lateral ability to stay in front of his man. Very technically sound. Drops his hips well to cut off angles. Then, when someone tries to body him up, he has real strength through his chest that doesn’t allow people to push him backward. Plus, he has really good hands to disrupt what the opposing man wants to do. Gets in there and causes issues. Against screens, he’s sharp at getting through them. Does a great job getting skinny and over the top then fights back to get attached in recovery. Will be excellent in a drop-coverage scheme, using his strength to get around screens and using his length in recovery.

Great attention to detail off the ball too. Hood-Schifino stays very attached getting through off-ball screening actions. Great rotationally and always knows where to be. Seems to communicate well within switches when they become necessary. Slid up and down the lineup occasionally depending on who was on the court with him, although Indiana generally played much bigger this past season due to its size across the wing positions. Hood-Schifino should have no problems against offensive players one through three.

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WEAKNESSES

Athletically, Hood-Schifino isn’t all that impressive. Will be a below-average athlete by the standards of an NBA guard in terms of explosiveness. Has the functional stuff like lateral quickness and hip flexibility. Doesn’t have an awesome first step. Not a powerful leaper. He generally needs a ball screen to get any sort of penetration. Has great footwork out of ball screens but can’t really break down defenders in isolation situations. Doesn’t have a particularly shifty handle. Ball can get a little bit loose in his hands and end up farther away from his body than you’d like to see. Doesn’t have great shake. Will limit him a bit as a scorer and will likely be more of a secondary ballhandler because of it. Hood-Schifino is very unlikely to be an end-of-shot-clock weapon in the NBA and likely will not be a primary scoring option. But he could be a legitimate bigger point guard if the passing and playmaking continues developing.

Outside of that pull-up game, there are real questions about how he scores at the next level. That starts with the shooting, and it’s why there are some questions about his off-ball potential. Hood-Schifino made just 30.4 percent from 3 off the catch this past season. His shot prep isn’t awesome, likely due to playing mostly on the ball throughout his life. Really needs to be stationary and spotting up. Off any sort of movement, he struggles to set himself and maintain balance. Has a bit of a pause off the one-two to load into the shot. Never takes them off the hop. Mechanically, he has a significant ball dip. A lot of misses to the left or right. Doesn’t look all that comfortable. Needs to spend the offseason really becoming more comfortable getting into rhythm and flow as a shooter off the catch given that he’ll have to play off the ball more often. Clearly has touch given his pull-up game, so there is a shooting base to work with.

Hood-Schifino also really struggles to score at the rim and doesn’t get there often, in part due to that lack of first step. Only got 1.5 shots per game at the rim in half-court settings, per Synergy. But it’s also partly because of his lack of leaping ability as a finisher when he gets there. He made just 46 percent at the rim this past season in half-court settings, per Synergy, one of the worst marks among potential first-round picks this year. He put up a lot of wild ones at the basket. Generally, doesn’t use his frame to its utmost advantage. Doesn’t really try to attack rim protectors’ bodies and instead tries to throw up wild touch finishes with finger rolls. The open space of the NBA might help him, but he will really need to work on his craft here.

Struggles with turnovers a bit more than you’d think for someone who has solid feel for the game. Can be flat-out inaccurate as a passer at times and throws some wild ones you don’t like to see. These are largely born out of aggressiveness, but he can be a bit over-the-top with it. A lot of mistimed lobs or balls thrown at players’ feet accidentally. He has great vision but needs to focus on completing the job in terms of skill level. I think his handle could stand to tighten up a bit. Heavy pressure on-ball defenders might give him trouble. Averaged 3.4 turnovers per game, which was way too high for his usage level.

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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:42 pm Post subject:

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Jalen Hood-Schifino said he was a big Kobe Bryant fan growing up and that it’s “surreal” to be drafted by the Lakers

Smart kid.
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:42 pm Post subject:

I am going to come back to this thread only to be supportive and when I'm not salty about the pick anymore. So I'll be back later lol _________________ Austin Reaves Tweeter: @sarah_dotbiz

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The question with Hood-Schifino is the offensive role. Will he be good enough as a midrange/3-point pull-up scorer to keep defenses honest to open passing lanes? And if he’s not, can he improve as a shooter off the catch enough to become an off ball player? If he can do any of that, he’s immediately a valuable role player in today’s NBA because of how well he projects on defense. If he can just knock down a spot 3 consistently, that would be enough given his defense, passing and playmaking ability. Hood-Schifino has a lot of potential avenues he could go down to become a valuable rotation player, but it might be a bit rough early while he tries to find that role due to his scoring inefficiency and lack of explosiveness. I’m a believer in his game eventually translating, because guys who are 6-foot-6 lead guards with solid basketball IQ and terrific defense tend to have a lot of outs. And if Hood-Schifino does become a real spot-up 3-point shooter paired with continuing to improve as a pull-up ball screen weapon when mixed with his passing, then he has real starter potential for a long while. Given how well developed his pull-up game is already, I think it’s a worthwhile investment. He’ll take some development, but I’m a buyer in him figuring it out. That’s why I have him in my top 15.

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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:43 pm Post subject:

pjiddy wrote:

I think the key is to pretend that the Buss Bros pick at 40 is our first rounder and Rob's pick at 17 is our 2nd rounder.

Did Rob pick at 17? If JHS ends up being good are we gonna credit the Buss Bros with the pick?

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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:43 pm Post subject:

tox wrote:

If he's a physical guard, that's kind of just what we need. Physical guard who hopefully learns to hit 3s next to Reaves and an aging but still very good AD is a nice core for a superstar to join the Lakers after LBJ retires/leaves.

Exactly.

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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:43 pm Post subject:

Megaton wrote:

LakerJam wrote:

Cam Whitemore apparently has a lot of red flags with medicals, and rumors of him lacking effort. He fell hard for a reason.

He’s also a black hole offensively. He literally refused to pass the ball. Teams probably worried that he relies too much on athletic advantages that won’t be there in the NBA.

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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:43 pm Post subject:

justsomelakerfan wrote:

I am going to come back to this thread only to be supportive and when I'm not salty about the pick anymore. So I'll be back later lol

I respect this

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