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MookieBetts50
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| Blame the Busses assuming they overrode Rob (as some here have speculated) with JHS and Lewis when they simply could have stayed local drafting one of the Bruins, JJJ or AB at 17 and kept 47 and gone major upside in Bates with that $4m still in their pockets. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:38 am Post subject: |
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| No 1 is saying JHS is a bad pick at least from what I gathered but he doesn’t fit our time line which is like 2 years with AD and LeBron |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:53 am Post subject: |
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| MookieBetts50 wrote: | | Blame the Busses assuming they overrode Rob (as some here have speculated) with JHS and Lewis when they simply could have stayed local drafting one of the Bruins, JJJ or AB at 17 and kept 47 and gone major upside in Bates with that $4m still in their pockets. |
I’ll blame the Busses in 3 years if Fino doesn’t work. They have too good a track record for me to jump to conclusions in a players first summer league. Randle/Ingram/Russel didn’t have good first year summer leagues and they turned out pretty well. |
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Now it is time to go get a degree from the College of Phil Handy
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:04 am Post subject: |
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| CamReddish wrote: | | Not to worried if he sucks. He was the 17th pick, I would be upset if we messed up a top 5 pick. |
We did
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CamReddish
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | CamReddish wrote: | | Not to worried if he sucks. He was the 17th pick, I would be upset if we messed up a top 5 pick. |
We did |
Yeah, but I feel it would have been traded anyways. Lol.
We talking about Tatum over Ball and like Porkey or Booker over DLO?
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| CamReddish wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | CamReddish wrote: | | Not to worried if he sucks. He was the 17th pick, I would be upset if we messed up a top 5 pick. |
We did |
Yeah, but I feel it would have been traded anyways. Lol.
We talking about Tatum over Ball and like Porkey or Booker over DLO? |
Tatum, and trading him away would be another discussion about poor management.
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CamReddish
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | CamReddish wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | CamReddish wrote: | | Not to worried if he sucks. He was the 17th pick, I would be upset if we messed up a top 5 pick. |
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Yeah, but I feel it would have been traded anyways. Lol.
We talking about Tatum over Ball and like Porkey or Booker over DLO? |
Tatum, and trading him away would be another discussion about poor management. |
True, Tatum played great as a rookie and it would have been hard to trade.
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Denny_Russo
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lmaoooo Tatum gets packaged with all the other youth + picks in a deal for AD. Good luck winning a ring without AD. 
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| Denny_Russo wrote: | | lmaoooo Tatum gets packaged with all the other youth + picks in a deal for AD. Good luck winning a ring without AD. |
I don’t see any difference besides the bubble championship, to me Tatum and AD are on the same level but Tatum has actually done a better job leading his team to deep playoff runs, the Celtics have been to the ECF like 3-4 times with Tatum |
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Denny_Russo
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Denny_Russo wrote: | | lmaoooo Tatum gets packaged with all the other youth + picks in a deal for AD. Good luck winning a ring without AD. |
I don’t see any difference besides the bubble championship, to me Tatum and AD are on the same level but Tatum has actually done a better job leading his team to deep playoff runs, the Celtics have been to the ECF like 3-4 times with Tatum |
Technically, it's still a championship and those are very hard to come by, in case you haven't noticed. I'd take one ring over 15 botched ECF appearances. The latter shows there's something fundamentally wrong with the team to not reach that championship level.
Tatum and AD aren't even close to the same level. One guy juices the stats to make himself look better than he really is and disappears when his team needs him the most, while the other has a discernable impact on defense and offense. You must be confusing Tatum with Butler.
Look at Tatum's team. Look at how many excuses the media and fans make for them for not winning year after year. I think they'll blow it up if Porzingis doesn't move the needle for them.
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Lakers traded basically 2 top two picks in Lonzo and Ingram for AD…
Revisionist history says that if Lakers had nailed their top 5 picks, we would’ve had Booker, Ingram, and Tatum…
Lakers would’ve probably traded 2 of those 3 for AD, and we would still be left with one and could’ve had LeBron, AD, one of Booker/Ingram/Tatum. 
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| Lonzo-Lite wrote: | Lakers traded basically 2 top two picks in Lonzo and Ingram for AD…
Revisionist history says that if Lakers had nailed their top 5 picks, we would’ve had Booker, Ingram, and Tatum…
Lakers would’ve probably traded 2 of those 3 for AD, and we would still be left with one and could’ve had LeBron, AD, one of Booker/Ingram/Tatum. |
Easy to go back in time and pick the best players from past drafts isn't it? |
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Laker Brand alert! |
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As disappointed as I was in the parts of JHS' game that I knew were weaknesses (non-shooter, can't self-create, terrible around the basket)...
...I was even more disappointed in his lack of playmaking/passing. He averaged 3 assists all summer league. And before anyone comes back with "he had terrible shooters around him" or some excuse like that one, may I remind you that 70+ players during this summer league averaged MORE! 70!
I saw no passes leading his man open. I saw no high-level passing of any kind. His lack of athleticism and his lack of breaking down a defender made it impossible for him to draw in another defender to hit an open man. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Denny_Russo wrote: | | lmaoooo Tatum gets packaged with all the other youth + picks in a deal for AD. Good luck winning a ring without AD. |
Yep, in your opinion. I very much doubt he would have gotten traded but that too, is my opinion.
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| deal wrote: | | Denny_Russo wrote: | | lmaoooo Tatum gets packaged with all the other youth + picks in a deal for AD. Good luck winning a ring without AD. |
Yep, in your opinion. I very much doubt he would have gotten traded but that too, is my opinion. |
We're talking year 2 right? Yeah his ass is definitely on the way out along with the rest of the youth. That's how cutthroat LA is.
If the Lakers are stuck with Tatum, there are no rings. Rob's not a fool and realizes that. People may hate him for giving up too much in the AD deal but it was the right move for a transcendent player at the time.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| JHS got a shoe deal before AD lol |
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| Denny_Russo wrote: | | deal wrote: | | Denny_Russo wrote: | | lmaoooo Tatum gets packaged with all the other youth + picks in a deal for AD. Good luck winning a ring without AD. |
Yep, in your opinion. I very much doubt he would have gotten traded but that too, is my opinion. |
We're talking year 2 right? Yeah his ass is definitely on the way out along with the rest of the youth. That's how cutthroat LA is.
If the Lakers are stuck with Tatum, there are no rings. Rob's not a fool and realizes that. People may hate him for giving up too much in the AD deal but it was the right move for a transcendent player at the time. |
agree. but you have to know when to sell and that was this summer when his value is high.
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| Denny_Russo wrote: | | lmaoooo Tatum gets packaged with all the other youth + picks in a deal for AD. Good luck winning a ring without AD. |
Or maybe we have multiple rings not relying on a guy who misses 20+ games a season? Especially considering what we could have gotten in an Ingram trade to go with Lebron and Tatum. Or maybe not but the past two seasons you can’t say that AD has been a clear cut better player than Tatum. It’s all speculation but Ball wasn’t a good top 5 pick.
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| Denny_Russo wrote: | | deal wrote: | | Denny_Russo wrote: | | lmaoooo Tatum gets packaged with all the other youth + picks in a deal for AD. Good luck winning a ring without AD. |
Yep, in your opinion. I very much doubt he would have gotten traded but that too, is my opinion. |
We're talking year 2 right? Yeah his ass is definitely on the way out along with the rest of the youth. That's how cutthroat LA is.
If the Lakers are stuck with Tatum, there are no rings. Rob's not a fool and realizes that. People may hate him for giving up too much in the AD deal but it was the right move for a transcendent player at the time. |
Your best "guess" is no better than mine. The kid was a stud from day 1, no
he would not have been traded.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Denny_Russo wrote: | | lmaoooo Tatum gets packaged with all the other youth + picks in a deal for AD. Good luck winning a ring without AD. |
Or maybe we have multiple rings not relying on a guy who misses 20+ games a season? Especially considering what we could have gotten in an Ingram trade to go with Lebron and Tatum. Or maybe not but the past two seasons you can’t say that AD has been a clear cut better player than Tatum. It’s all speculation but Ball wasn’t a good top 5 pick. |
I've wondered if we would have paired Tatum & Ingram with LJ's? I mean LJ is basically a PG on O. While healthy, Lanzo would have been his SG that defended PG's. That's a lot of fire power.
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| governator wrote: | | JHS got a shoe deal before AD lol |
Last night was the only SL game I was able to see, bummer that he didn’t play.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Denny_Russo wrote: | | lmaoooo Tatum gets packaged with all the other youth + picks in a deal for AD. Good luck winning a ring without AD. |
Or maybe we have multiple rings not relying on a guy who misses 20+ games a season? Especially considering what we could have gotten in an Ingram trade to go with Lebron and Tatum. Or maybe not but the past two seasons you can’t say that AD has been a clear cut better player than Tatum. It’s all speculation but Ball wasn’t a good top 5 pick. |
A healthy AD is top 5, top 10. AD was a tier above Tatum this season. Everything was funneled to him on defense and the offense ran through him. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but we don't whiff the finals or WCF without him. The rebuild is certain to begin when you trade him or if he gets hurt again. Think about it- everything the Lakers do is predicated on his health. If he's not at 75% or above next season, Lakers are screwed and have no chance. The Celtics on the other hand have many fail safes in place when Tatum plays poorly or gets hurt- DPOYs, all NBA talent, all nba defenders. No one in the entire league has more to work with than Tatum. The Lakers do not have that same luxury with AD.
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