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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:29 pm Post subject:
governator wrote:
JHS got a shoe deal before AD lol
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:31 pm Post subject:
But anyway congrats JHS! Work that Lakers brand! Heck I should've done something, even Robert Sacre got endorsements because of the Lakers _________________ #NiceWorkPelinka
Lakers traded basically 2 top two picks in Lonzo and Ingram for AD…
Revisionist history says that if Lakers had nailed their top 5 picks, we would’ve had Booker, Ingram, and Tatum…
Lakers would’ve probably traded 2 of those 3 for AD, and we would still be left with one and could’ve had LeBron, AD, one of Booker/Ingram/Tatum.
Lakers would’ve kept Booker and Tatum, instead trading Ingram, Hart, and whoemever would’ve been Kuzma lol!
Zero rings with any combination of those players. Not a slight on any of them, but they are essentially the same tier of talent.
And now Booker and Tatum have their own super teams and still aren't guaranteed rings with Giannis and Jokic around. Tough life.
Transcendent talent win championships. It's like a law at this point. Jokic (2023), Curry (2022), Giannis (2021), AD (2020), Kawhi (2019), Durant (2018), Durant (2017), Lebron (2016), Curry (2015), etc. We are lucky we got AD during his transcendent phase and before the injuries wrecked him. _________________ Yi Jianlian Fanboy. Respect The Chair.
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As requested, some what to look for info for Fino.
I probably watched 10 full games or more here. Some from early in the season to a lot of later in the season games.
It felt like he played at a faster pace earlier in the season, then slowed it down a bit. There could be multiple reasons for that, but something to consider in some of your evaluations is that he was playing complete games. They ran him the full 40 in multiple games down the stretch. That can have an impact on things like three shooting or the defensive effort or assignments he was given. It could also positively impact things like allowing him to stay in a rhythm I suppose, which may also impact if he was to switch from a bench role at the next level with short minutes. So just some stuff to consider with how they played him.
He has the one skill scouts kind of covet the most, the ability to hit in that pull-up midrange. This usually predicts good things for the rest of a player’s game. He’s great working off screens and getting into the soft spots of the D for short jumper or floaters. That skill translates really well to the next level.
People are worried about his three shooting. I don’t think it’s an issue. His team was myopically focused on not taking a lot of threes. They had a great big man and really worked the midrange or wanted him to cook inside. So by design, it seemed you weren’t going to get a lot of threes. There were times, though, where Fino caught fire from three and could look especially dangerous.
He doesn’t possess great athleticism, which might be an issue finishing (not a lot of bounce). But he’s got enough finesse game and strength. Some shifty change of speeds, which is what he needs to lean on. If I was covering him in the NBA, I think I could get away with starting a bigger defender on him and switching on the ball screens with the bigs. I think his handle is not creative enough yet and that lack of explosiveness you might see from others can limit his ability to shake defenders. (This, of course, is something Handy can improve with him.) But I’d look to see what he can do in iso situations. I’m not super confident in his skill there yet.
Passing wise, he typically makes the smart passes. I don’t see him as I high assist type of PG. More of a combo guard passer. Medium kind of assist numbers.
Defensively, I also want to see how well he can stay in front of his man. I felt like there were potentially some issues there with the foot speed/athleticism, but again he had a great big man behind him and sometimes you just want to funnel them to trouble. His strength should help him at the next level to absorb physical players. He’s got great hands and can reach and strip. That’s a good combo if you have strength to absorb someone’s drive.
So, hopefully, we see him aggressive, getting into the midrange for efficient scores. We see some of that three ball skill. Watch for if he ever has to iso and how that goes. That seems like a weakness. Defensively, will he be fast footed enough? He should be able to make plays with his hands/strength and challenge shots decently.
Looking back at my pre-summer league thoughts here, I think most of that held true.
- He showed the midrange and floater. Could have done better, but I'm not worried after watching him in college with the bigger sample size.
- I'm not really worried about his shooting from three. I think it will come along with reps/time.
- Passing-wise, he made the smart reads. That ability to read the D showed out maybe better than I was anticipating. The overall playmaking was sub par and I think it's due to the next item.
- His handle is weak. I mentioned above... the problem I think he'd have with switching defenses and bigger defenders taking him out. I think that last game he played really showed that issue. In an iso situation, he's going to struggle because of the lack of handle and explosiveness. If he can't take advantage of switches or mismatches, then the playmaking dies. I think that showed true and, thankfully, we've got a really good coach for working on that.
- The athleticism is still a concern for me in defending PGs if that's what they want to him to do. Too many blow-bys and some straight light drives given up in summer. Very similar to what we saw in college. This will take a lot of work. Certainly technique could improve quite a bit here, too, to help.
- Hands and strength were as advertised. It felt like he used his strength a little better in summer league, yet there's still a ton to squeeze out of this that can be pretty interesting.
Overall, tough for me to see the fit currently with the roster, so I think the best thing for him will be G-League to work out some of those issues in game. I could certainly see him having a very strong summer league next year after putting in a ton of work. Looking forward to that.
Easier for Hodge, for example, to make a leap because he's got the three and D that you can plug in. Doesn't need to do much else. Castleton is also maybe easier fit because of current our lack of depth...but he has to get way stronger, so that may take a little while, and the C spot has a lot of responsibility to learn. If we had the same lack of depth at guard, then Fino would get thrown in the fire. We don't, so his opportunities will come in G-League (even with injury to our current guys).
i'm still on the fence with this pick. for a guard in today's league you need to have size and athleticism. but if you're force to choose only one, then i'd go athleticism over size. imo, he's just another DLO when he entered the league, good size but an average athlete. the pick is kind of redundant when we already have DLO. let's all hope he has more competitive fire than DLO.
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The long-shot guys I really REALLY wanted in the draft were gone at this point. Bufkin, Gradey, and Lively. I was really OK with a trade down for Nick Smith or Leonard Miller. Or a couple other guys who I thought were around this tier of player but better value later. Maybe the trade wasn’t there. JHS just never totally caught my eye from the start. There’s stats and all that too, but it was like when the Lakers drafted Kuz. I watched a couple minutes of clips and totally saw it. _________________ Austin Reaves
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don't know if posted, some good insight into the lakers draft process...
fino/max didn't have as great a summer league as I'd hoped to see, but neither did max christie a year ago...
hopefully, the buss boys picked winners here...
If JHS makes a leap between years akin to an Austin Reaves or even what it seems like Max Christie has.. it will be a STEAL at 17 _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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Not gonna lie, I'll be pissed if Cam turns into a star. Just because I was shocked he even fell to us.
It would be like the Packers passing up on Aaron Rodgers falling to them despite being a top 3 pick. Well...hopefully Cam is not the level of great like Rodgers.
don't know if posted, some good insight into the lakers draft process...
fino/max didn't have as great a summer league as I'd hoped to see, but neither did max christie a year ago...
hopefully, the buss boys picked winners here...
If it was posted, I hadn't seen it. Thanks. Interesting to see the behind the scenes stuff - a bit. Very obvious by Jesse's reaction Maxwell was his guy.
Cam may turn out the better player between he and JHS but at worst I see a strong solid pg in JHS who can have a decent career. Either way, it's way too early to even trip over anything. We won't the the final answer until 3-5 years.
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:48 pm Post subject:
Awfully early to tell but my impression of JHS from Summer League is pretty much "meh." He's OK at this level, but not the floor captain with superior court vision nor the kind of 3 way scorer it would take to make up for lack of defensive quickness, and that's even if he were to succeed in tightening up his handles, the lack of which at the moment make him a no-go IMO at the NBA level.
That's fine we have Austin Reaves, DLO and Gabe Vincent, who each bring a lot of value and unique skills to the Laker guard rotation. These 3 will earn a ton of minutes. Max Christie looks like he could serve as a capable backup, at least at this stage.
We'll see if JHS can crack NBA rotations in a year or two, I don't picture it happening very often this year. Hopefully training camp changes my impression.
As disappointed as I was in the parts of JHS' game that I knew were weaknesses (non-shooter, can't self-create, terrible around the basket)...
...I was even more disappointed in his lack of playmaking/passing. He averaged 3 assists all summer league. And before anyone comes back with "he had terrible shooters around him" or some excuse like that one, may I remind you that 70+ players during this summer league averaged MORE! 70!
I saw no passes leading his man open. I saw no high-level passing of any kind. His lack of athleticism and his lack of breaking down a defender made it impossible for him to draw in another defender to hit an open man.
I had the opposite opinion. He had some really nice reads I didn't expect to see from a rookie. Like some cross court swing passes to the open man
I agree with parts of what you both have said. I actually thought he made some excellent high-level reads at times. He sees the floor well enough. I don’t think that’s an issue. In fact at his age, I’d say he’s ahead of the curve there for his age/experience. But as I mentioned, I think the lack of handle (beyond his large-handed inside-out dribble stuff) was really an area that impacted his ability to collapse the D and create open shots for others. That’s where I thought the playmaking suffered. I think he can fix that.
Give him some time. He does have some really intriguing potential if he puts in the work like a mad man (see Reaves, see Christie).
As disappointed as I was in the parts of JHS' game that I knew were weaknesses (non-shooter, can't self-create, terrible around the basket)...
...I was even more disappointed in his lack of playmaking/passing. He averaged 3 assists all summer league. And before anyone comes back with "he had terrible shooters around him" or some excuse like that one, may I remind you that 70+ players during this summer league averaged MORE! 70!
I saw no passes leading his man open. I saw no high-level passing of any kind. His lack of athleticism and his lack of breaking down a defender made it impossible for him to draw in another defender to hit an open man.
Darius Garland was the starting pg with the worst assist stats iirc in his first season. Now, he is a damn good pg...so we shouldn't value JHS fr his sl play _________________ White guy to white guy alley oop
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Don’t know why so many are down on a 19 yr old kid who already looks like a brick body wise. What we don’t see is the character and drive that the FO can evaluate when they made the pick. His shot can be honed and adjusted, look at Max shot compared to last year. He looks like a Marcus Smart and Andre Miller type of player. Looking forward to his progress and hope the doubter’s wrong again.
He’s gonna be a scorer Imo. His midrange looks like it’s gonna be deadly, he can bully his way to the rim whenever he wants to draw fouls (which is something Dlo doesn’t do).
I’m not worried about him at all. Not to mention he’s only 20 with a frame like a grown man. Scary to think he’s gonna fill out even more 😳.
He showed he can make the right reads but he’s not gonna be a pass first point. He’s gonna get buckets and he’s gonna be tough to stop when he puts his head down and goes to the basket.
Wasn’t my guy at 17 but I’m not mad at the pick at all
My guy at 17 was actually maxwell Lewis lol win win for me _________________ “like I never left”
JHS will be fine. We've already seen what this developmental staff can do with guys like Reaves, Caruso types and JHS has more tools than either of them coming out of college.
With that said passing on Whitmore looks like it could be a mistake. I just don't think they were prepared for him to fall to their pick so hadn't done much homework on him...just my guess. It was easier to take the guy they had worked out and interviewed during the process.
The Rockets had no issue taking Whitmore and had apparently even tried to move up from 20 with no takers. They were a team that had brought him in so obviously they had no major issue with his workout or interview.
Anthony Davis’ multi-year deal with Nike
Anthony Davis has a contract with Nike that will last up till 2028. Sources believe that AD makes anywhere between $5M-8M from his Nike deal every single year.
Didn’t know AD has a shoe, thx. He needs to push for his own line, I mean reaves got one, Kuz got one. Imagine a Nike Kobe-AD ONE
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