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the path is going to be bumpy but he will end up being really good. the foundation is there. I'm happy with the pick
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Cam had plenty of red flags. Medical flag, his demeanor at his interviews (basically when you should be putting on your best showcase) and workouts.
We went through this with DLO vs. Mudiay/Okafor, so why not let it ride out for 1-2 seasons instead of going up/down the rollercoaster every game? |
Rollercoaster analogy would imply there are ups... |
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| Jalen had some nice passes today, defended Davion Mitchell well, got into the paint at will, got open on his jump shots (created for himself). I like his potential. Just cut down on the turnovers. |
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| Could have had Cam Whitmore who looks more NBA ready. |
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Got anywhere he wanted, whenever he wanted, got plenty of open opportunities he didn't take because again he was looking to pass. Saw him pass up what would have been a layup as if shooting wasn't even on his mind when he got to the basket. Again, once he realizes how he's the one that's open rather than looking for his teammates, the better.
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| miggz23 wrote: | | Could have had Cam Whitmore who looks more NBA ready. |
He doesn't have to play one of the most difficult positions in the NBA (point guard). He just has to go get his own.
How many other rookie PGs are really shining right now, especially non-lottery ones?
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| pjiddy wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Cam had plenty of red flags. Medical flag, his demeanor at his interviews (basically when you should be putting on your best showcase) and workouts.
We went through this with DLO vs. Mudiay/Okafor, so why not let it ride out for 1-2 seasons instead of going up/down the rollercoaster every game? |
Rollercoaster analogy would imply there are ups... |
You need more than a 3 game preseason sample size, no? I'm taking a long view on JHS, like 1-2 seasons.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Cam had plenty of red flags. Medical flag, his demeanor at his interviews (basically when you should be putting on your best showcase) and workouts.
We went through this with DLO vs. Mudiay/Okafor, so why not let it ride out for 1-2 seasons instead of going up/down the rollercoaster every game? |
Rollercoaster analogy would imply there are ups... |
You need more than a 3 game preseason sample size, no? I'm taking a long view on JHS, like 1-2 seasons. |
I’ve watched a lot of college stuff since we drafted him, as i did with a lot of our previous draft picks. I saw the promise of DLO and Ingram. DLO’s feel, passing and shooting were always there. Ingram despite having
the gangliest limbs on a wing i’d ever seen and built like a skeleton got very smoothly into his shots and drove hard at the basket and scored through contact. Bynum was probably the rawest rookie with the longest road ahead of him I’ve ever seen, but i saw the feel/touch around the basket
I’ll chalk it to the limits of my own acumen. But I haven’t seen what JHS is supposed to be good at. This alleged “midrange” game he doesn’t seem to trust, preferring passes to guys who aren’t really open. And given his slow foot speed, weak handle, and weak finishing skills, it will be an easy thing to take away from him. It only appears to be there right now because defenders are trained to concede it.
I think if you’re going for a potential guy with a way to go, he either needs to be a raw elite-level athlete/length guy you hope you can mold into a great defender with a passable shot (like Ws are hoping for with Kuminga), OR a guy with a lot of work ahead of him in terms of body development (like DLO and Ingram) but with identifiable skills that already stick out.
JHS is neither of these. Again, I’ll chalk it up to the limits of my acumen and trust the Buss bros, but with every pick they’ve made, I’ve always had a “yep, i see it” with the exception of Wagner (which is why I’ve always thought that was a Rob pick) and now JHS. I think Whitmore and Jacquez will both be better players now and later. |
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The fact that the entire front office was in agreement on JHS at 17 is enough for me to believe he'll develop into a solid player. In addition to watching D'lo and Zo struggle to get to that level for multiple seasons.
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| manlisten wrote: | | The fact that the entire front office was in agreement on JHS at 17 is enough for me to believe he'll develop into a solid player. In addition to watching D'lo and Zo struggle to get to that level for multiple seasons. |
don't get me wrong, i would love to be wrong about how i see jhs...
but...
in the case of d'lo and zo, you could definitely see the level of skill there at the start...
i actually thought that jhs played ok last night as an organizer of the offense but it isnobvious he needs to see th ballmgonin the net a bit to help his confidence...
i don't know ifnit was just his balance or maybe davion pulled the chair from him but he had a couple of unsuccessful attempts at getting intonthe lane and trying a spin move...
i don't know why he doesn't attempt the mid range shot people have been claiming he has, jhs has had the ability to probe the paint in and has been open but he has not taken shots...
his 3 is.almost always short... |
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He needs a season in the G League. Next year, we'll find out what we got.
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| pjiddy wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Cam had plenty of red flags. Medical flag, his demeanor at his interviews (basically when you should be putting on your best showcase) and workouts.
We went through this with DLO vs. Mudiay/Okafor, so why not let it ride out for 1-2 seasons instead of going up/down the rollercoaster every game? |
Rollercoaster analogy would imply there are ups... |
You need more than a 3 game preseason sample size, no? I'm taking a long view on JHS, like 1-2 seasons. |
I’ve watched a lot of college stuff since we drafted him, as i did with a lot of our previous draft picks. I saw the promise of DLO and Ingram. DLO’s feel, passing and shooting were always there. Ingram despite having
the gangliest limbs on a wing i’d ever seen and built like a skeleton got very smoothly into his shots and drove hard at the basket and scored through contact. Bynum was probably the rawest rookie with the longest road ahead of him I’ve ever seen, but i saw the feel/touch around the basket
I’ll chalk it to the limits of my own acumen. But I haven’t seen what JHS is supposed to be good at. This alleged “midrange” game he doesn’t seem to trust, preferring passes to guys who aren’t really open. And given his slow foot speed, weak handle, and weak finishing skills, it will be an easy thing to take away from him. It only appears to be there right now because defenders are trained to concede it.
I think if you’re going for a potential guy with a way to go, he either needs to be a raw elite-level athlete/length guy you hope you can mold into a great defender with a passable shot (like Ws are hoping for with Kuminga), OR a guy with a lot of work ahead of him in terms of body development (like DLO and Ingram) but with identifiable skills that already stick out.
JHS is neither of these. Again, I’ll chalk it up to the limits of my acumen and trust the Buss bros, but with every pick they’ve made, I’ve always had a “yep, i see it” with the exception of Wagner (which is why I’ve always thought that was a Rob pick) and now JHS. I think Whitmore and Jacquez will both be better players now and later. |
TBH, he was one of the guys predraft I was hoping another team would take ahead of us and let an actual player I liked fall to us. I agree with everything you said but I also believe the Lakers scouting department deserves the benefit of a doubt.
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I just think point guard is one of the more difficult positions to master early on. The truly transcendent ones obviously show it earlier, but I feel like it's a longer learning curve.
Whitmore for example, his job is simple. Shoot/score. Doesn't have to set the table for anyone or run the offense. Plus, he's on a team where he can play minutes in a non-scrutinized environment, especially going from a top 7 projected pick to now a 20th pick.
Meanwhile, JHS is a 17th pick yet some folks want to put a top 7 projected pick level scrutiny on him right now. I think a year with the GLeague team will do wonders like it did for Max last season.
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Yes, Whitmore would have been asked to be patient but also work on his game and actually develop his point guard skills.
Whereas the Rockets will say "Just use your athleticism, shoot, score, do whatever." as they don't care.
Whitmore would have been asked to develop his game more on the Lakers than on the Rockets, but all we'd be seeing of him in pre-season is like what we see from Maxwell Lewis.
What I like about JHS is just how easy he gets to spots on the floor and gets around and past defenders and defenses. Only downside is he doesn't take the open shot he gave himself, he looks for teammates to set up. Once he realizes "Hey.. I'M the one open.." and shoots instead, it will start to click.
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He does not appear to have what it takes
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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2 seasons in the G-League would help like Caruso (who spent 3).
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| JamaalWilkes wrote: | He does not appear to have what it takes
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Come on. Let's take it easy on 20 yr old rookie.
After 2~3 yrs with pro training, he will be fine and become a starting level pg for a southbay team. |
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To be fair he was supposed to be a sg last season at Indiana until injuries happened. Now, a year later he was drafted in the first round as a 6’5 point guard with a 6’10 wingspan (I think he’s the biggest point guard in the league right now). He will probably take more time to develop than most first round picks, but the lakers aren’t looking for someone that can play today.
He’s got an nba frame at 20 which will only fill out more and get bigger. He’s gonna be a bully at the point guard position when he’s developed.
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Worst case scenario- Russell Westbrook
Best case scenario - Malcolm Brogdon
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| Denny_Russo wrote: | Worst case scenario- Russell Westbrook
Best case scenario - Malcolm Brogdon |
What!? You're not talking about prime Westbrook right. |
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| Denny_Russo wrote: | Worst case scenario- Russell Westbrook
Best case scenario - Malcolm Brogdon |
What!? You're not talking about prime Westbrook right. |
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| JamaalWilkes wrote: | He does not appear to have what it takes
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it’s going to be fun watching you guys all eat crow 2 years from now |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| computernerd wrote: | | JamaalWilkes wrote: | He does not appear to have what it takes
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it’s going to be fun watching you guys all eat crow 2 years from now |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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i was actually at the game tonight...
brandin outplayed jhs and just flat out looked more comfortable out there...i don't know how much of that is due to having actual nba players with him on the floor but the kid is a gamer, easily passes the eye test...
jhs was setting the table for everyone, shots just didn't fall...
at some point jhs seemed to try and shoot himself out of his slump by looking for his shot, unlike last game...it felt like not having made a field goal was already getting to him...you could hear crowd definitely groan over every missed jhs attempt because they sensed he needed to see the ball go in...
the one he finally does convert at the end didn't even count...
he seemed to have better balance, both times i remember him going to his spin move turned out ok...
that drive castleton cleaned up looked more like a pass tham a shot...
and he was definitely fouled, the refs were horrible all night... |
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