It was one thing to compare him to TBJ who was a fixture in our regular rotation. It was quite another to compare him to JTA who, after a handful of games, was obviously not going to be part of the regular rotation.
My biggest contention is that nobody expected JTA to be a dependable shooter from 3. I live in the Bay Area and no knowledgeable Warriors fan would ever make that claim by the time the Lakers signed him. It was clear to everyone that his one good year was based on a small sample size and largely an outlier. And I would maintain that Beasley's defense, shooting (as a Laker), and overall contribution to winning was so subpar that Prince doesn't even need to be above average to significantly contribute more than Beasley did. Same when compared to JTA.
So yes, if you believe in curses and consider what JTA and Beasley gave us last year to be "average" then I can see how you came to the conclusion that his production would be comparable to JTA or Beasley. _________________ Luxury Tax/FA Spreadsheet (Save to your Google Drive to edit)
D’Angelo Russell Believes Taurean Prince Has ‘Fit Right In’ With Lakers
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Russell has gotten several reps with Prince on the floor and believes the forward has been a great addition to the team so far.
“He’s fit right in,” Russell said. “I think offensively he’s done what he’s always done. Been aggressive behind the arc, attack closeouts, do it efficiently.
It was one thing to compare him to TBJ who was a fixture in our regular rotation. It was quite another to compare him to JTA who, after a handful of games, was obviously not going to be part of the regular rotation.
My biggest contention is that nobody expected JTA to be a dependable shooter from 3. I live in the Bay Area and no knowledgeable Warriors fan would ever make that claim by the time the Lakers signed him. It was clear to everyone that his one good year was based on a small sample size and largely an outlier. And I would maintain that Beasley's defense, shooting (as a Laker), and overall contribution to winning was so subpar that Prince doesn't even need to be above average to significantly contribute more than Beasley did. Same when compared to JTA.
So yes, if you believe in curses and consider what JTA and Beasley gave us last year to be "average" then I can see how you came to the conclusion that his production would be comparable to JTA or Beasley.
Nope…don’t believe that and don’t believe in myths and nope haven’t made any conclusions. It seemed Rob replaced Troy Brown with Taurean Prince. I predicted that…for this year with the Lakers, Prince would produce closer to what JTA produced, WITH THE LAKERS, than what Troy Brown produced, last year with the Lakers. No other comparison was intended for JTA.
Simply put; I predicted that Prince would be out of the rotation, this year with the Lakers, due to of declining 3pt shooting, declining defense, poor rebounding, and lack of contributions elsewhere. That’s it, anything else is a distraction away from the intent. _________________ “When it looks as if it is a realistic possibility, I want to focus on winning a ship like it’s a goal that can’t be denied. I didn’t see that this off season.”
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It was one thing to compare him to TBJ who was a fixture in our regular rotation. It was quite another to compare him to JTA who, after a handful of games, was obviously not going to be part of the regular rotation.
My biggest contention is that nobody expected JTA to be a dependable shooter from 3. I live in the Bay Area and no knowledgeable Warriors fan would ever make that claim by the time the Lakers signed him. It was clear to everyone that his one good year was based on a small sample size and largely an outlier. And I would maintain that Beasley's defense, shooting (as a Laker), and overall contribution to winning was so subpar that Prince doesn't even need to be above average to significantly contribute more than Beasley did. Same when compared to JTA.
So yes, if you believe in curses and consider what JTA and Beasley gave us last year to be "average" then I can see how you came to the conclusion that his production would be comparable to JTA or Beasley.
Nope…don’t believe that and don’t believe in myths and nope haven’t made any conclusions. It seemed Rob replaced Troy Brown with Taurean Prince. I predicted that…for this year with the Lakers, Prince would produce closer to what JTA produced, WITH THE LAKERS, than what Troy Brown produced, last year with the Lakers. No other comparison was intended for JTA.
Simply put; I predicted that Prince would be out of the rotation, this year with the Lakers, due to of declining 3pt shooting, declining defense, poor rebounding, and lack of contributions elsewhere. That’s it, anything else is a distraction away from the intent.
I'll finish with this...more than a few posters interpreted your initial post differently. I'm not sure I've encountered someone who later downplayed their own points as distractions. Otherwise, go Prince! _________________ Luxury Tax/FA Spreadsheet (Save to your Google Drive to edit)
It was one thing to compare him to TBJ who was a fixture in our regular rotation. It was quite another to compare him to JTA who, after a handful of games, was obviously not going to be part of the regular rotation.
My biggest contention is that nobody expected JTA to be a dependable shooter from 3. I live in the Bay Area and no knowledgeable Warriors fan would ever make that claim by the time the team Lakers signed him. It was clear to everyone that his one good year was based on a small sample size and largely an outlier. And I would maintain that Beasley's defense, shooting (as a Laker), and overall contribution to winning was so subpar that Prince doesn't even need to be above average to significantly contribute more than Beasley did. Same when compared to JTA.
So yes, if you believe in curses and consider what JTA and Beasley gave us last year to be "average" then I can see how you came to the conclusion that his production would be comparable to JTA or Beasley.
Nope…don’t believe that and don’t believe in myths and nope haven’t made any conclusions. It seemed Rob replaced Troy Brown with Taurean Prince. I predicted that…for this year with the Lakers, Prince would produce closer to what JTA produced, WITH THE LAKERS, than what Troy Brown produced, last year with the Lakers. No other comparison was intended for JTA.
Simply put; I predicted that Prince would be out of the rotation, this year with the Lakers, due to of declining 3pt shooting, declining defense, poor rebounding, and lack of contributions elsewhere. That’s it, anything else is a distraction away from the intent.
I'll finish with this...more than a few posters interpreted your initial post differently. I'm not sure I've encountered someone who later downplayed their own points as distractions. Otherwise, go Prince!
I challenge you to go back and read them, my points. It could be that the change in awareness isn’t me downplaying, it’s realizing the proper understanding of what was communicated all along. It has been the intent from the start and that is a prediction of what TaP will be, not a comparison of what he has been vs JTA.
It could have something to do with my delivery, I’m open to taking a look at that, it seems however, more like there was one poster’s response that was a misinterpretation and others fed off that instead of considering the original concept. I’m with ya otherwise…Go Prince! (But not like the last preseason game! That’s what I predicted, we need him to be like the previous ones). _________________ “When it looks as if it is a realistic possibility, I want to focus on winning a ship like it’s a goal that can’t be denied. I didn’t see that this off season.”
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Prince just seems like a pro to me. Not the type who is going to have a lot of highs and lows, but will instead contribute where he fits and not push outside his lane. I suppose some of that is a veteran trait, but I think in his case it's even more of a player attribute. Other such guys that come to mind are Malcolm Brogdon, Garett Temple, Danny Green, guys who can have fifteen year careers by being low variance plus contributors.
You need players like that on a title contender. _________________ Charter Member Austin “Team USA” Reaves fan club.
Prince just seems like a pro to me. Not the type who is going to have a lot of highs and lows, but will instead contribute where he fits and not push outside his lane. I suppose some of that is a veteran trait, but I think in his case it's even more of a player attribute. Other such guys that come to mind are Malcolm Brogdon, Garett Temple, Danny Green, guys who can have fifteen year careers by being low variance plus contributors.
You need players like that on a title contender.
That’s a fair assessment of your opinion. There is realistic optimism based on his past and this preseason that it turns out to be the case! Go Prince! My opinion is different and we all hope I’m wrong. _________________ “When it looks as if it is a realistic possibility, I want to focus on winning a ship like it’s a goal that can’t be denied. I didn’t see that this off season.”
TP has been balling every since he's been here. He hustles, plays solid defense and fit seamlessly into almost any lineup.
He quietly goes about his business effectively & efficiently.
Our best free agent signing IMO.
Good shooting game but -14 tonight...
The Nuggets were just better and Ham experimented with lineups as usual. That has nothing to do with him being an awful defender. Maybe he couldn't defend Murray, but that's not something to reasonably expect from him.
If it's like that over the course of the season, maybe it's something to look at. But, one game plus/minus doesn't mean much.
TP has been balling every since he's been here. He hustles, plays solid defense and fit seamlessly into almost any lineup.
He quietly goes about his business effectively & efficiently.
Our best free agent signing IMO.
He was the only bright spot of the game. the best signing of FA.
TaP certainly was by far the biggest bright spot. Wood and Cam looked better than expected too imo. _________________ “When it looks as if it is a realistic possibility, I want to focus on winning a ship like it’s a goal that can’t be denied. I didn’t see that this off season.”
Through the preseason and this first game, he's easily been the Lakers' best pickup so far.
To the Lakers' credit, recently, at least one of their low-priced pickups always contributes well beyond a typical vet's minimum.
Malik Monk and Dennis Schroder were great the last 2 seasons. If Prince maintains some consistency, he's another good find.
I think you Gotta look toward Cam/Wood/Hayes instead of TaP for that comparison as they were vet min signings like Monk/Shro whereas TaP was BAE. Still, agree with sentiment that so far he looks like a good signing. I would gladly eat crow if it continues and significantly out plays TBj. _________________ “When it looks as if it is a realistic possibility, I want to focus on winning a ship like it’s a goal that can’t be denied. I didn’t see that this off season.”
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