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TDRock
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| Folks told me you weren't a good acquisition. |
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miggz23
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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2 crappy games = WON
2 productive games = LOSSES |
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tox
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| It's the 0 rebounds that gets me. I'm definitely thinking that Vando should be the starter. The thing about Prince that I'm realizing is that he has very bad synergy at the 3 spot because our guards are also bad rebounders. If Prince is playing the 3, it has to be next to AD, Wood, and probably even Max Christie so he's surrounded with plus defenders. |
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Hanging from Rafters
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2023 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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Prince and Reeves are the only Lakers to have a negative +/- in each of the first 4 games. Reeves has been double digit negative in all four whereas TaP did have just a -5 in one game with double digit negative in the other 3 games.
Through the first 4 games:
AR bottom with -51
TaP next with -44
TaP has had two good games tho, maybe he can be useful if he gets consistent. We need him to contribute more ways tho.
Last TaP game: 4pts, 0 reb in 26 minutes, -5, 1ast/1blk
Last TBj game: 4pts, 4 rebs in 4 minutes, +0, 1ast/1TO
TBj hasn’t had any good games tho, so TaP is better than TBj so far this season.
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tox
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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He just sandwiched rebounded and grabbed a board on consecutive possessions.
I'm so proud of him  |
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Inspector Gadget
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| He has all the size to average 7-8RPG and he’s grabbing rebounds like he’s a small PG, his offense isn’t anything to brag about either |
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miggz23
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:39 am Post subject: |
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It’s time to have him come off the bench. He came back down to earth and we need more offense out there.
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tox
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I think it's pretty obvious that the minutes he's getting are too much. He's playing 30 mpg and not really producing at a rate commensurate there. |
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Inspector Gadget
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| Thought he would be a nice upgrade over Troy Brown Jr, the reality is he’s been mediocre for the most part and I think both parties moving on is the best course of action to take, his offense isn’t good enough to outweigh his poor rebounding and below average defense |
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Cutheon
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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| He's a bench player. His best games don't move the needle--that tells me he's neutral at best. There's probably some rotations/teams he makes sense again (the Warriors, vs Klay), but he isn't a starter. Someone needs to stick a note in Ham's pocket, maybe he'll find it while he's rummaging around there mid game |
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Cyberfreak444
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He’s been by far the weakest link so far. He is way too poor a rebounder to play small forward. But he’s also too upright to play defense at the point of attack. And even his jumpshot isnt falling, which is the whole reason to play him in the first place.
The Lakers would be much better off starting Rui in his place until Vando gets back (and maybe even after Vando gets back thanks to Cam’s emergence). |
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Hanging from Rafters
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I didn’t think Prince or Troy Brown were worth more than the vet min based on their play last season. I did think that perhaps the hope of what TBj would become…since he is still young at 23yrs old…could explain why a team would take a risk on him. I couldn’t understand why a team would take the risk and spend the BAE on Prince tho with his production since he was in the middle of his prime and more likely to decline rather than improve.
There is a chance Prince stayed the same, neither improved or declined and if that happened to be the case then we might as well stayed with TBj to take advantage of chemistry/continuity with a better defensive rating, much better rebounder, and same 3pt shooting.
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miggz23
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | I didn’t think Prince or Troy Brown were worth more than the vet min based on their play last season. I did think that perhaps the hope of what TBj would become…since he is still young at 23yrs old…could explain why a team would take a risk on him. I couldn’t understand why a team would take the risk and spend the BAE on Prince tho with his production since he was in the middle of his prime and more likely to decline rather than improve.
There is a chance Prince stayed the same, neither improved or declined and if that happened to be the case then we might as well stayed with TBj to take advantage of chemistry/continuity with a better defensive rating, much better rebounder, and same 3pt shooting. |
Troy Brown can barely get playing time in Minny, and Prince played 23mpg for them last year.
I like Prince but I just don't think he fits the starting role in our team. I mean there's enough evidence of that. I think he might be one of those that will have a higher impact coming off the bench. |
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Hanging from Rafters
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| miggz23 wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | I didn’t think Prince or Troy Brown were worth more than the vet min based on their play last season. I did think that perhaps the hope of what TBj would become…since he is still young at 23yrs old…could explain why a team would take a risk on him. I couldn’t understand why a team would take the risk and spend the BAE on Prince tho with his production since he was in the middle of his prime and more likely to decline rather than improve.
There is a chance Prince stayed the same, neither improved or declined and if that happened to be the case then we might as well stayed with TBj to take advantage of chemistry/continuity with a better defensive rating, much better rebounder, and same 3pt shooting. |
Troy Brown can barely get playing time in Minny, and Prince played 23mpg for them last year.
I like Prince but I just don't think he fits the starting role in our team. I mean there's enough evidence of that. I think he might be one of those that will have a higher impact coming off the bench. |
TBj started games for the Lakers last year as well and was an integral part of the run from 13th to 7th. Minny’s plan was to switch out Prince for TBj this year, the Lakers reacted by taking what was left over, and even tho they aren’t using TBj hardly at all he’s still got about as many rebounds as TaP. Still, they are about the same except I see TBj having the possibility of improving more whereas TaP is likely already who he will ever be, that’s the difference, well, except for the rebounding 
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Kblo247!
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Bron needs to babysit AR without Denis and Dlo and AD need to play together as units. AD won’t get the ball with the AR group because he’s looking to dance so much |
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Kblo247!
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| tox wrote: | | It's the 0 rebounds that gets me. I'm definitely thinking that Vando should be the starter. The thing about Prince that I'm realizing is that he has very bad synergy at the 3 spot because our guards are also bad rebounders. If Prince is playing the 3, it has to be next to AD, Wood, and probably even Max Christie so he's surrounded with plus defenders. |
Max is a minus basketball player though with shooting and decision making.
If Vando ain’t ready I want to see Dlo Cam Rui Bron AD as the starters. Let AR come off the bench with Prince to hide his ass defensively and make Wood a scorer |
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Kblo247!
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | I didn’t think Prince or Troy Brown were worth more than the vet min based on their play last season. I did think that perhaps the hope of what TBj would become…since he is still young at 23yrs old…could explain why a team would take a risk on him. I couldn’t understand why a team would take the risk and spend the BAE on Prince tho with his production since he was in the middle of his prime and more likely to decline rather than improve.
There is a chance Prince stayed the same, neither improved or declined and if that happened to be the case then we might as well stayed with TBj to take advantage of chemistry/continuity with a better defensive rating, much better rebounder, and same 3pt shooting. |
Troy Brown can barely get playing time in Minny, and Prince played 23mpg for them last year.
I like Prince but I just don't think he fits the starting role in our team. I mean there's enough evidence of that. I think he might be one of those that will have a higher impact coming off the bench. |
TBj started games for the Lakers last year as well and was an integral part of the run from 13th to 7th. Minny’s plan was to switch out Prince for TBj this year, the Lakers reacted by taking what was left over, and even tho they aren’t using TBj hardly at all he’s still got about as many rebounds as TaP. Still, they are about the same except I see TBj having the possibility of improving more whereas TaP is likely already who he will ever be, that’s the difference, well, except for the rebounding |
The big thing with them is Prince is meant to guard 3s and 4s. TBJ can guard 2s and 3s but he got lit up at the 4 when ham used him there. Prince gets blown by with 1s when Hane uses him there. The smart thing would have been cut Max all together and sign TBJ to the minimum and then sign Prince. Then you would have one to guard a guard and one to guard a wing. Then AR never gets exposed in a second unit with those two both on the team. |
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Lonzo-Lite
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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TP hasn’t been close to 3&D as advertised…
Kept saying he would average 40% on 3’s this season… currently shooting 31%.
Also has the worst defensive rating on the team at 117.5.
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Killer_Z
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Not sure about the stats, but the eye test tells me he’s a terrific fit. |
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Knecht4
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He sucks
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miggz23
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Lonzo-Lite wrote: | TP hasn’t been close to 3&D as advertised…
Kept saying he would average 40% on 3’s this season… currently shooting 31%.
Also has the worst defensive rating on the team at 117.5. |
He was shooting above 40% before he got injured but has sunk since he came back.
| Killer_Z wrote: | | Not sure about the stats, but the eye test tells me he’s a terrific fit. |
I think he does fit too... He's just better suited coming off the bench to me. |
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tox
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Kblo247! wrote: | | tox wrote: | | It's the 0 rebounds that gets me. I'm definitely thinking that Vando should be the starter. The thing about Prince that I'm realizing is that he has very bad synergy at the 3 spot because our guards are also bad rebounders. If Prince is playing the 3, it has to be next to AD, Wood, and probably even Max Christie so he's surrounded with plus defenders. |
Max is a minus basketball player though with shooting and decision making.
If Vando ain’t ready I want to see Dlo Cam Rui Bron AD as the starters. Let AR come off the bench with Prince to hide his ass defensively and make Wood a scorer |
I posted that in Oct 30 before Max showed he's not NBA ready quite yet.
I mostly agree with your lineups as long as Rui or Bron can guard a 3 somewhat credibly |
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Dominator
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| Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2023 1:53 am Post subject: |
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| 3 rebounds in 35 minutes. There's no way he should be playing more minutes than Wood and Rui and twice as many minutes as Reaves |
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Cutheon
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| Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2023 9:55 am Post subject: |
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| He’s the weakest link thus far and, IMO, the player benefitting most from Vando’s injury. Reddish definitely got his chance because of Vando, but at this point, having shown what he’s shown, he’s going to keep getting minutes when Vando’s back. Prince should not. |
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lar9149
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| Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2023 11:45 am Post subject: |
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| Cutheon wrote: | | He’s the weakest link thus far and, IMO, the player benefitting most from Vando’s injury. Reddish definitely got his chance because of Vando, but at this point, having shown what he’s shown, he’s going to keep getting minutes when Vando’s back. Prince should not. |
So starting lineup will be
Cam/Vando/Dlo/LBJ/AD
Sounds awesome to me..defense and now that Cam is hitting his 3s, maybe enough to spread the floor.
Vando as far as 3s we will have to see how that goes..but his defense maybe enough to compensate for his lack of outside shooting |
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