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Lakeshow23_
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He's a fine offensive player. He's flashed some decent ball-skills for a player of his mold, attacks closeouts and finishes at the rim well, and has proven he's a plus shooter throughout his career. He should regress to the mean and shoot somewhere between 37-40% by season's end.
With that said, his defense is mediocre at best. He lacks physicality, has slow foot speed, and just doesn't play with enough force/motor to be slotted as one our stoppers. I think he should play around 20 or so minutes and should play most of his minutes with AD and Vando when he returns. He'll juice the offense when his shooting touch is back but no way should he supplant Rui in the rotation. |
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Lonzo-Lite
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| Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Lakeshow23_ wrote: | | With that said, his defense is mediocre at best. He lacks physicality, has slow foot speed, and just doesn't play with enough force/motor to be slotted as one our stoppers. I think he should play around 20 or so minutes and should play most of his minutes with AD and Vando when he returns. He'll juice the offense when his shooting touch is back but no way should he supplant Rui in the rotation. |
Price actually has the worst def rating on the team, which is actually shocking. It’s not even mediocre, it’s just not good.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| defensive rating is a trash stat honestly |
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| He would be much better running the 2nd unit his offense isn’t good enough for him to be the starter and his rebounding and defense are below average |
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Hanging from Rafters
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| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2023 9:15 am Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | He would be much better running the 2nd unit his offense isn’t good enough for him to be the starter and his rebounding and defense are below average |
Anything could have happened, but it should have been predictable that TaP wouldn’t shoot 38% from 3 for the Lakers like he did with another team. Also, his declining defense at 29yrs old should have been recognized as a probable trend. Once those things were properly considered, with TaP’s lack of rebounding and lack of playmaking, it should have been reason enough imo to pass for the BAE. The BAE looks to have been wasted for now, hopefully that changes as it is still too early to conclude for sure, but the Lakers may wish they had both the BAE and tpMLE next summer to keep both Cam and Wood.
So now it is looking like the BAE was not only wasted on TaP, it could end up being worse as the Lakers lose all three next year Wood/TaP/Cam because players that disappoint like TaP with the Lakers (LW4/Drummond/Beas/MoBa/Shro 1st time, etc) sign for cheap with another team just to get away. TBj isn’t doing anything in Minny but I still would have rather taken the risk on him because at least he had a reasonable chance to improve whereas it should have been predictable that TaP would most likely decline. Plus TBj shot 38% from three WITH THE LAKERS and was a good rebounder and better defender. TaP contributes, especially with Van out, but his contributions are vet min level, not the BAE (an alternating per year contract) for o one year, essentially wasting the BAE for two years.
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Lonzo-Lite
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| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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1-11 tonight, averaging 38% shooting and dead last in defensive rating too.
He’s not playing as advertised.
When Vando comes back, he needs to replace TP.
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miggz23
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| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Lonzo-Lite wrote: | 1-11 tonight, averaging 38% shooting and dead last in defensive rating too.
He’s not playing as advertised.
When Vando comes back, he needs to replace TP. |
Been calling him to come off the bench for a while now... Starting Rui over him should be the move. I think Rui can guard most 3s and 4s. Some 5s at some nights. Cam is versatile enough to guard 1-3.
AD - 6'11
Bron - 6'9
Rui - 6'8
Cam - 6'8
DLO - 6'5 |
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CervantesRises
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:12 am Post subject: |
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| miggz23 wrote: | | Lonzo-Lite wrote: | 1-11 tonight, averaging 38% shooting and dead last in defensive rating too.
He’s not playing as advertised.
When Vando comes back, he needs to replace TP. |
Been calling him to come off the bench for a while now... Starting Rui over him should be the move. I think Rui can guard most 3s and 4s. Some 5s at some nights. Cam is versatile enough to guard 1-3.
AD - 6'11
Bron - 6'9
Rui - 6'8
Cam - 6'8
DLO - 6'5 |
I like this a lot.
Would also like to see AR instead of DLO and keep DLO with Vando.
Very curious when Ham is going to put Prince on the bench.
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Nobody
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| He just doesn't seem to be able to hit wide open shots. His regression is baffling, considering the open looks he's been getting. |
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Hanging from Rafters
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| Nobody wrote: | | He just doesn't seem to be able to hit wide open shots. His regression is baffling, considering the open looks he's been getting. |
Baffling? We should have seen it coming a mile away. Along with declining defense and poor rebounding making the signing a bad choice. It’s still early, hoping TaP proves me wrong, but everything wrong he has been was called out from day one.
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Nobody wrote: | | He just doesn't seem to be able to hit wide open shots. His regression is baffling, considering the open looks he's been getting. |
Baffling? We should have seen it coming a mile away. Along with declining defense and poor rebounding making the signing a bad choice. It’s still early, hoping TaP proves me wrong, but everything wrong he has been was called out from day one. |
His 3PT% in the last three seasons:
2020/21 - .400
2021/22 - .376
2022/23 - .381
This season? 0.306. The % is even more atrocious on corner 3s. A cool .160.
How should we have seen that coming a mile away? Unless you're talking about the Lakers shooter's curse - then I agree fully. Meanwhile Beasley is shooting .461 on his 3s, more than 10% higher than his time with us. |
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Hanging from Rafters
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| Nobody wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Nobody wrote: | | He just doesn't seem to be able to hit wide open shots. His regression is baffling, considering the open looks he's been getting. |
Baffling? We should have seen it coming a mile away. Along with declining defense and poor rebounding making the signing a bad choice. It’s still early, hoping TaP proves me wrong, but everything wrong he has been was called out from day one. |
His 3PT% in the last three seasons:
2020/21 - .400
2021/22 - .376
2022/23 - .381
This season? 0.306. The % is even more atrocious on corner 3s. A cool .160.
How should we have seen that coming a mile away? Unless you're talking about the Lakers shooter's curse - then I agree fully. Meanwhile Beasley is shooting .461 on his 3s, more than 10% higher than his time with us. |
That’s what I’m talking about! Not specifically a curse per se but that TaP may not be able to shoot as well with the Lakers as he did with another team in different offensive scheme. Had he been a 42% 3pt shooter perhaps the gamble would have been worth it but at 38%, we should have been able to consider the possibility that he might not be able to shoot as well on the Lakers and that if the only thing he can do is shoot 3s then he would be useless if the shot is off based on how his defense was declining with poor rebounding and no playmaking.
I said the same thing about Beasley right after the trade since he was at only 36% from 3 when he showed up.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 2:39 am Post subject: |
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| Lonzo-Lite wrote: | 1-11 tonight, averaging 38% shooting and dead last in defensive rating too.
He’s not playing as advertised.
When Vando comes back, he needs to replace TP. |
I nearly always expect a three of his to miss as of late.
But yeah, I'd like to see Rui replace him in the starting lineup. Maybe Vando depending on how he looks when he returns.
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Brawn13
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Nobody wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Nobody wrote: | | He just doesn't seem to be able to hit wide open shots. His regression is baffling, considering the open looks he's been getting. |
Baffling? We should have seen it coming a mile away. Along with declining defense and poor rebounding making the signing a bad choice. It’s still early, hoping TaP proves me wrong, but everything wrong he has been was called out from day one. |
His 3PT% in the last three seasons:
2020/21 - .400
2021/22 - .376
2022/23 - .381
This season? 0.306. The % is even more atrocious on corner 3s. A cool .160.
How should we have seen that coming a mile away? Unless you're talking about the Lakers shooter's curse - then I agree fully. Meanwhile Beasley is shooting .461 on his 3s, more than 10% higher than his time with us. |
That’s what I’m talking about! Not specifically a curse per se but that TaP may not be able to shoot as well with the Lakers as he did with another team in different offensive scheme. Had he been a 42% 3pt shooter perhaps the gamble would have been worth it but at 38%, we should have been able to consider the possibility that he might not be able to shoot as well on the Lakers and that if the only thing he can do is shoot 3s then he would be useless if the shot is off based on how his defense was declining with poor rebounding and no playmaking.
I said the same thing about Beasley right after the trade since he was at only 36% from 3 when he showed up. |
The pressure is real. I’d be weary of signing any shooters that haven’t performed in the playoffs on a contender. It seems clear that most can’t handle the spotlight. |
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Lakers' curse. We see it every year.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| i'll be patient and wait for the regression back to the mean. |
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miggz23
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | i'll be patient and wait for the regression back to the mean. |
He was shooting above 40% early in the season, then got hurt. Has not shot the ball well since he came back...
I think he eventually will start shooting good again. But I still prefer him to come off the bench either way. |
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Hanging from Rafters
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| pjiddy wrote: | | i'll be patient and wait for the regression back to the mean. |
That would be ok as a plan if TaP gave us ANYTHING else so as to not be a total liability while we wait for his 3pt% but the wait isn’t yielding rebounds, playmaking, defense, drives to the basket nor mid range either. Also, since he’s approaching 30yrs old, regression back to the mean may not happen, it could just as likely be plain ole regression, as in declining ability. The Beasley experiment showed us we could be waiting for something a player just can’t deliver for the Lakers. How long do we suffer trying to find out?
We don’t have to start or play struggling players so many minutes while we hope they come around. Give them some minutes to get their act together I get that. But If we’re gonna wait can the Lakers at least try waiting with TaP outside of the starting line up? At least do that! We say Rui can’t guard SFs, well neither can TaP, at least Rui scores and rebounds, Tap gives very little of anything.
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| LakerSanity wrote: | | Lakers' curse. We see it every year. |
Never fails. Player puts on PnG and forgets how to shoot. |
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| LakerSD wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | Lakers' curse. We see it every year. |
Never fails. Player puts on PnG and forgets how to shoot. |
Dlo and Rui remembers how to shoot lol! Prince and Beasley clearly forgot tho. Ham should learn from the Beasley event and pivot away from Prince sooner. Rui and Wood can pick up some of the minutes along with Max. Give Prince limited looks to see if he can snap out of it but remove him from the starting lineup and keep him around 12 minutes until he improves.
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Lakesh0wtime
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Average minutes per game before today’s game
Prince: 29.8
Rui: 22.5
Wood:20.6
If Prince was closer to 20 and we spread those 9 minutes between Rui and Wood then I wouldn’t I have any complaints.
The missing of shots is one thing and something we are used to as Laker fans.
The lack of rebounding and defense are inexcusable. |
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miggz23
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| Lakesh0wtime wrote: | Average minutes per game before today’s game
Prince: 29.8
Rui: 22.5
Wood:20.6
If Prince was closer to 20 and we spread those 9 minutes between Rui and Wood then I wouldn’t I have any complaints.
The missing of shots is one thing and something we are used to as Laker fans.
The lack of rebounding and defense are inexcusable. |
Keep everyone happy...
Let them all play 25 mpg each... |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | Lakers' curse. We see it every year. |
Never fails. Player puts on PnG and forgets how to shoot. |
Dlo and Rui remembers how to shoot lol! Prince and Beasley clearly forgot tho. Ham should learn from the Beasley event and pivot away from Prince sooner. Rui and Wood can pick up some of the minutes along with Max. Give Prince limited looks to see if he can snap out of it but remove him from the starting lineup and keep him around 12 minutes until he improves. |
I really think its the offense setup. Every other teams the ball flows around the perimeter and everybody gets a touch before something of a drive or shot happens. The lakers? DLo tries to find openings inside to colapse the defense and we look for a cuter..If no cuter then we drive or pass the ball to the open man..Thats it...there is no rythem or use of feeling the ball in your hands before shooting...
i think thats part of the problem. Same as Bease..Prince is doing the same thing..sitting him down is not going to help him..Its HAm head which is the common donominator. HAM Hock head needs to LOOK AT TAPE of Prince to see his spots and make offensive plays simmilar to what worked for him..IT CANT BE THE PLAYER'S FAULT when this has happen multiple times to players that come here..The Coach and Offense has to be looked at. HAM HEAD cant just create a offense that just works for AD and LBJ and the rest of the players welp..deal with it...smh..we cant win that way. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 1:36 am Post subject: |
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| another great game tonight |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:24 am Post subject: |
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Jordan Clarkson averages 29.7 PPG in the 5 games prior to last night, I will give some credit to prince in terms of defending JC well.
He has got to snap out of the hole on offense |
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