But the Heat’s initial offer to Vincent did not meet his expectations, according to a league source. The Heat offered a three-year deal worth about $25 million, which included a starting salary of about $7.7 million.
That’s a slight overpay at 7.7m but realistic to keep their guy. The Lakers’ 11m cost looks like bad money.
But the Heat’s initial offer to Vincent did not meet his expectations, according to a league source. The Heat offered a three-year deal worth about $25 million, which included a starting salary of about $7.7 million.
That’s a slight overpay at 7.7m but realistic to keep their guy. The Lakers’ 11m cost looks like bad money.
But the Heat’s initial offer to Vincent did not meet his expectations, according to a league source. The Heat offered a three-year deal worth about $25 million, which included a starting salary of about $7.7 million.
That’s a slight overpay at 7.7m but realistic to keep their guy. The Lakers’ 11m cost looks like bad money.
Dennis just got 2/$26M
He desrved that money though
Jesus, why don’t you just come out and say that you don’t like guards
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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:33 pm Post subject:
Halflife wrote:
Outspoken wrote:
Halflife wrote:
We have barely improved with these moves. Need Myles
I don't know if you're being sarcastic with that comment.
You think we have gotten much better?
Serious upgrade defensively (same aggression, much better skill and build), and he’s better at almost everything offensively too. A 1.5. And Prince is a sweet corner three shooting big switchable wing who guards 2-4. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:35 pm Post subject:
LakerFan1987 wrote:
Hanging from Rafters wrote:
LakerFan1987 wrote:
Halflife wrote:
Wonder why heat didn’t re sign him
They tried....
But the Heat’s initial offer to Vincent did not meet his expectations, according to a league source. The Heat offered a three-year deal worth about $25 million, which included a starting salary of about $7.7 million.
That’s a slight overpay at 7.7m but realistic to keep their guy. The Lakers’ 11m cost looks like bad money.
Dennis just got 2/$26M
Happy for him. Was a good dude who gave us what he had after the real disaster of turning down 80 mil a couple years earlier. Won’t get it all back, but got an overpay and will be really fun to watch with Caruso getting up on it defensively. Wish him well. We got better, he got paid. Win win. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
But the Heat’s initial offer to Vincent did not meet his expectations, according to a league source. The Heat offered a three-year deal worth about $25 million, which included a starting salary of about $7.7 million.
That’s a slight overpay at 7.7m but realistic to keep their guy. The Lakers’ 11m cost looks like bad money.
Dennis just got 2/$26M
Happy for him. Was a good dude who gave us what he had after the real disaster of turning down 80 mil a couple years earlier. Won’t get it all back, but got an overpay and will be really fun to watch with Caruso getting up on it defensively. Wish him well. We got better, he got paid. Win win.
Not knocking Dennis. I was just bringing up his $12M per to show that we didn't overpay for Gabe.
But the Heat’s initial offer to Vincent did not meet his expectations, according to a league source. The Heat offered a three-year deal worth about $25 million, which included a starting salary of about $7.7 million.
That’s a slight overpay at 7.7m but realistic to keep their guy. The Lakers’ 11m cost looks like bad money.
He started 22 playoff games this year, playing 30+ mpg, for a team that went to the Finals playing for the smartest coach in the league. He’s good at both ends, doesn’t back down from anyone, and he’s a local product (UCSB). He scored double digits in five of six games against Boston in the playoffs, and helped defeat them in a game 7 in Boston….he’s a gamer.
I never viewed Dlo as a top 3 or 4 player on a championship team but combine him with Gabe, maybe that's the path to a title. I think they cover each other's weaknesses enough for a possible title run. They might be the bridge to what the Lakers may see as the long-term future backcourt of Reeves, Christie, and Hood-Schifino. This is our version of Golden State's simultaneous running of two timelines.
He started 22 playoff games this year, playing 30+ mpg, for a team that went to the Finals playing for the smartest coach in the league. He’s good at both ends, doesn’t back down from anyone, and he’s a local product (UCSB). He scored double digits in five of six games against Boston in the playoffs, and helped defeat them in a game 7 in Boston….he’s a gamer.
He went .485/.516/.938 against the Celtics in a 7 game series.
He faltered against Denver but he still scored double what DLo did.
We have barely improved with these moves. Need Myles
I see it as an actual downgrade so far. Shro > Vincent and TBjr > Prince. Especially since we lost the chemistry and continuity.
Rob needs a rabbit out the hat surprise at this point to have a better looking team.
I see Vincent and Prince as upgrades. Lakers have good evaluators when LeBron and AD don't butt in. I don't think they make these moves if they were downgrades.
At what specifically? From the video I watched he appears to be a better defender and he makes 3 pointers with Defenders in his space. _________________ Coach Vogel, Kidd, Hollins
Max slot : Kawhi
I think the thing here is that they're going with players they feel can give them more in the playoffs. Vincent came in from a stronger playoffs than Dennis. He was reliable with Heat coaching staff.
Dennis is more of a RS depth value, someone who is big when injuries and etc play in. Not sure Vincent will be nearly as good as Dennis was in that role. But when the team is healthy and in the playoffs, Vincent's past playoffs seemed better than Dennis' history with the Lakers (2021/2023).
Pivoting to Vincent after striking out on Bruce Brown was sound decision making from the front office. Now, there is genuine risk involved considering the discrepancy between his playoff and regular season numbers but the process is commendable.
Vincent takes less off the table then any of the other realistic MLE candidates. More than anything, this playoffs proved that a role player is only as good as their weaknesses. We had a lot of guys that excelled at one aspect or another but couldn't see the floor the deeper we advanced in the playoffs because of their lack of versatility. With Vincent, we get a guy who may not be the best at one specific area but is capable of doing a little of everything.. In the playoffs, he was Miami's second lead creator and ran a lot of P&R, he also came off screens as a movement shooter, shot a high percentage on spot-up threes, and proved to be a rugged POA defender that had enough size to guard the likes of Jalen Brunson, Jaylen Brown and Jamal Murray.
If he could knock down shots like he did in the playoffs I think he's a better player and much much much better fit than Dennis. Dennis did a fine job this season but his limitations as an off-ball player/shooter and playmaker capped his effectiveness. Vincent can function as a tertiary ball-handler behind Lebron/Reaves/DLO but he's most effective spacing the floor for them and doesn't need the ball to impact the game. He's sort of like a lesser version of Lowry or a PG version of KCP. Those type of players rarely lose value in the playoffs. Let's hope he continues right where he left off.
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I like the signing. Just worried about the history of Heat players who have left the Heat culture (Hassan Whiteside), it is not very promising. _________________ Darvin Ham is an idiot!
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