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Polarbear
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I really like Dennis Schröder
I think that Gabe Vincent is a comparable player
All they need to do is play around equal and we lose no steam there |
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LakerFan1987
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| Polarbear wrote: | I really like Dennis Schröder
I think that Gabe Vincent is a comparable player
All they need to do is play around equal and we lose no steam there |
I think most of us here like DS and his tenacity.
What I can tell you about Vincent is that he doesn't need to dominate the ball to get a basket. He's a better catch and shoot off ball guard than DS.
He's also bigger and stronger defender than DS.
If we rate them on a scale of 100 and DS is an 85, then Vincent is an 88 |
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Dominic1981
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| Laker7 wrote: | | I like the signing. Just worried about the history of Heat players who have left the Heat culture (Hassan Whiteside), it is not very promising. |
It’s def a concern. Let’s hope Vincent turns out better than Nunn for the Lakers |
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ducasse
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| LakerFan1987 wrote: | Someone mentioned Derek Fisher .... we just got him.
Some of you guys don't watch enough bball and just look at stats.
Gabe Vincent is a great team player. He is versatile. He isn't a pure PG that needs the ball in his hand. He can play off ball in catch and shoot schemes.
He is a scrappy bulldog defender. He maybe only 6'2" but he is a stocky and sturdy 6'2". This helps him defend bigger guards.
Guys like Jamal Murray will not be punking the Lakers ever again while he's on the team. |
DFish is a really good comparison. I see a lot of him in Vincent. And DFish was a really important player on those championship teams. |
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Kobetan
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2023 1:23 am Post subject: |
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| Dominic1981 wrote: | | Laker7 wrote: | | I like the signing. Just worried about the history of Heat players who have left the Heat culture (Hassan Whiteside), it is not very promising. |
It’s def a concern. Let’s hope Vincent turns out better than Nunn for the Lakers |
Wow honestly forgot Nunn was on the team. Here I was thinking who else besides Lebron was previously on the Heat |
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ThePageDude
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DFish is a really good comparison. I see a lot of him in Vincent. And DFish was a really important player on those championship teams. |
Please please tell me he'll finish better than Fisher .. |
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LakerDYnasty72
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| tox wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | | tox wrote: | | convince me to like this move bc I hate it |
He started 22 playoff games this year, playing 30+ mpg, for a team that went to the Finals playing for the smartest coach in the league. He’s good at both ends, doesn’t back down from anyone, and he’s a local product (UCSB). He scored double digits in five of six games against Boston in the playoffs, and helped defeat them in a game 7 in Boston….he’s a gamer. |
He was great against Boston but otherwise meh. I buy the argument he's better than Schroder, but Schroder was making the vet min whereas he's basically making nearly the full MLE. I don't think we've solved any of our roster issues at all. |
Schroder was making the vet min but we all know that was not his fmv. The market adjusted this year for him after a successful run with us. Good for him landing at 13mil because we sure weren't going to pay him that much. Vincent is a different type of guard, but exactly what we need. We gave him a nice, workable 11mil.
He's a strong, tough dude, with a nice stroke on his jumper. He's the guy I'm looking forward to matching up against a Westbrook, or even Beal. Btw, for me, playing "great against Boston" is not to be easily dismissed. We want our players playing great ball against the one team we don't want to win the next trophy.
They could easily be in the finals next year. |
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venturalakersfan
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2023 9:24 am Post subject: |
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| LakerFan1987 wrote: | Someone mentioned Derek Fisher .... we just got him.
Some of you guys don't watch enough bball and just look at stats.
Gabe Vincent is a great team player. He is versatile. He isn't a pure PG that needs the ball in his hand. He can play off ball in catch and shoot schemes.
He is a scrappy bulldog defender. He maybe only 6'2" but he is a stocky and sturdy 6'2". This helps him defend bigger guards.
Guys like Jamal Murray will not be punking the Lakers ever again while he's on the team. |
Yeah, Vincent was so dominant against Murray that the Heat had to put Butler on him. And you accuse others of not watching ball.
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DancingBarry
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| ThePageDude wrote: | | ducasse wrote: |
DFish is a really good comparison. I see a lot of him in Vincent. And DFish was a really important player on those championship teams. |
Please please tell me he'll finish better than Fisher .. |
Definitely a better finisher than Fisher. He can do things DFish could not around the rim. That said, I’d say he’s still a sub par/mediocre finisher. |
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DancingBarry
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| tox wrote: |
Any opinions on his ability to throw entry passes and/or lobs? Watching Schro/AD's lack of chemistry in the LeBron-less lineups was scarring. |
Hmmm. Nothing sticks out either way that I recall. He’s the guy they trusted to make the inbounds passes on big set plays, so I suspect that would bode well for post entry passes. |
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CamReddish
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2023 11:29 am Post subject: |
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He won't stagnant the offense and hold yhe ball like DS. If he has a (bleep) he won't hesitate and teams will have to cover him at the 3 point line.
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tox
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2023 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| DancingBarry wrote: | | tox wrote: |
Any opinions on his ability to throw entry passes and/or lobs? Watching Schro/AD's lack of chemistry in the LeBron-less lineups was scarring. |
Hmmm. Nothing sticks out either way that I recall. He’s the guy they trusted to make the inbounds passes on big set plays, so I suspect that would bode well for post entry passes. |
Thanks DB! Something to keep an eye out for, I suppose. |
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Def a surprise signing for me. Wasn't expecting this at all.
Gives me Derek Fisher vibes, which is good. I don't expect him to take over the PG spot over DLO/AR, but he may be a good 3 year safety blanket if DLO is traded or leaves next offseason while JHS develops.
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LakerFan1987
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerFan1987 wrote: | Someone mentioned Derek Fisher .... we just got him.
Some of you guys don't watch enough bball and just look at stats.
Gabe Vincent is a great team player. He is versatile. He isn't a pure PG that needs the ball in his hand. He can play off ball in catch and shoot schemes.
He is a scrappy bulldog defender. He maybe only 6'2" but he is a stocky and sturdy 6'2". This helps him defend bigger guards.
Guys like Jamal Murray will not be punking the Lakers ever again while he's on the team. |
Yeah, Vincent was so dominant against Murray that the Heat had to put Butler on him. And you accuse others of not watching ball. |
Murray was in a zone.
Go watch some ball |
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JustaObserver
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| LakerFan1987 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerFan1987 wrote: | Someone mentioned Derek Fisher .... we just got him.
Some of you guys don't watch enough bball and just look at stats.
Gabe Vincent is a great team player. He is versatile. He isn't a pure PG that needs the ball in his hand. He can play off ball in catch and shoot schemes.
He is a scrappy bulldog defender. He maybe only 6'2" but he is a stocky and sturdy 6'2". This helps him defend bigger guards.
Guys like Jamal Murray will not be punking the Lakers ever again while he's on the team. |
Yeah, Vincent was so dominant against Murray that the Heat had to put Butler on him. And you accuse others of not watching ball. |
Murray was in a zone.
Go watch some ball |
DFish 2.0? ....Murray was in a zone? ok... ... smh. |
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| LakerFan1987 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerFan1987 wrote: | Someone mentioned Derek Fisher .... we just got him.
Some of you guys don't watch enough bball and just look at stats.
Gabe Vincent is a great team player. He is versatile. He isn't a pure PG that needs the ball in his hand. He can play off ball in catch and shoot schemes.
He is a scrappy bulldog defender. He maybe only 6'2" but he is a stocky and sturdy 6'2". This helps him defend bigger guards.
Guys like Jamal Murray will not be punking the Lakers ever again while he's on the team. |
Yeah, Vincent was so dominant against Murray that the Heat had to put Butler on him. And you accuse others of not watching ball. |
Murray was in a zone.
Go watch some ball |
VCF too busy watching Clippers ball.
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SGSD32
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| Megaton wrote: | | LakerFan1987 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerFan1987 wrote: | Someone mentioned Derek Fisher .... we just got him.
Some of you guys don't watch enough bball and just look at stats.
Gabe Vincent is a great team player. He is versatile. He isn't a pure PG that needs the ball in his hand. He can play off ball in catch and shoot schemes.
He is a scrappy bulldog defender. He maybe only 6'2" but he is a stocky and sturdy 6'2". This helps him defend bigger guards.
Guys like Jamal Murray will not be punking the Lakers ever again while he's on the team. |
Yeah, Vincent was so dominant against Murray that the Heat had to put Butler on him. And you accuse others of not watching ball. |
Murray was in a zone.
Go watch some ball |
VCF too busy watching Clippers ball. |
Murray's shooting #s against Heat were appreciably down from versus the Lakers.
And Butler wasn't the only guy on him.. not close.
And Vincent put up 23 in a finals game.
I don't know if he hit a wall.. or Denver shut him down.. or what.. .but he had an excellent playoff run until the last three games. He'll be option number 4 on the court.. maybe even 5.. during crunch time.
I like it. |
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career .399 FG and .339 3FG shooter
i just hope he can defend |
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DancingBarry
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| defense wrote: | career .399 FG and .339 3FG shooter
i just hope he can defend |
Cranjis had Dennis with A+ shot quality and Gabe with C shot quality last year. Defenders will stick to Gabe more and space the floor for others, but I also think his shot quality goes up regardless. |
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ksmgf
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| SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | Sorry for ignorant. But I still can’t tell Max Strus, Gabe Vincent and Caleb Martin apart. To me those three came out of nowhere and contributed for the heat, and their main attributes were the same also, all of them are three point specialists. |
Same here. When they signed Gabe, I thought we got one of the Martin twins. |
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tox
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| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2023 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | Sorry for ignorant. But I still can’t tell Max Strus, Gabe Vincent and Caleb Martin apart. To me those three came out of nowhere and contributed for the heat, and their main attributes were the same also, all of them are three point specialists. |
Lmao. Brave post but same. I thought Gabe was the ECF MVP contender smh. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2023 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerFan1987 wrote: | | Polarbear wrote: | I really like Dennis Schröder
I think that Gabe Vincent is a comparable player
All they need to do is play around equal and we lose no steam there |
I think most of us here like DS and his tenacity.
What I can tell you about Vincent is that he doesn't need to dominate the ball to get a basket. He's a better catch and shoot off ball guard than DS.
He's also bigger and stronger defender than DS.
If we rate them on a scale of 100 and DS is an 85, then Vincent is an 88 |
Are you sure you've watched him play? Miami fans say he absolutely needs the ball in his hands and even has a tendency to be a chucker and take early shot clock 3s.
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kfkilla
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| JustaObserver wrote: | | LakerFan1987 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerFan1987 wrote: | Someone mentioned Derek Fisher .... we just got him.
Some of you guys don't watch enough bball and just look at stats.
Gabe Vincent is a great team player. He is versatile. He isn't a pure PG that needs the ball in his hand. He can play off ball in catch and shoot schemes.
He is a scrappy bulldog defender. He maybe only 6'2" but he is a stocky and sturdy 6'2". This helps him defend bigger guards.
Guys like Jamal Murray will not be punking the Lakers ever again while he's on the team. |
Yeah, Vincent was so dominant against Murray that the Heat had to put Butler on him. And you accuse others of not watching ball. |
Murray was in a zone.
Go watch some ball |
DFish 2.0? ....Murray was in a zone? ok... ... smh. |
Murray was in a higher quality zone against the Lakers, but that was attributed to bad defense! |
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kfkilla
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 7:22 am Post subject: |
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| I want to like this signing and I kind of do. I just hope GV looks as good in purple and gold. His career numbers are kind of sad. One magical run to the playoffs and he doesn’t really look like he has the physical tools to be anything more than he is. Hope I’m wrong and the Lakers know what they’re doing and weren’t caught up in recency bias. |
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Outspoken
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| Halflife wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | We have barely improved with these moves. Need Myles |
I don't know if you're being sarcastic with that comment. |
You think we have gotten much better? |
Yes, I actually do when you have switchable, mobile read and react long players, that play in transition.
Switchable meaning:
DLO 1/2
Reaves 1/2
Jalen 1/2
Max Christie 2/3
Cam 2/3
Lewis 2/3
Prince 3/4
Rui 3/4
Bron 3/4
Vando can guard all positions, but is 4/5
AD 4/5
Jaxson 5
Gabe's body size is 1, but he could slot in a 2 in stretches.
He's very good at catch and shooting.
We only have 3 players under 6'6, the rest are 6'6 and above.
I also think they are a better fit next to Bron and AD.
Say if Bron wants to be the primary ball handler, we now have a lot of players that are good moving without the ball.
Bron has players now, where he can rest.
It's not just AD crashing the boards because we have length to get boards.
The length will also alter a lof of shots.
We could now play a 3 guard line up and not be mismatched due to size.
I could keep going, but I definitely think Lakers gotten better. |
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