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BILBJH
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Cam shot close to 90% from the free throw line for a couple years.
I see no reason why JJ can't teach him to shoot threes at a competent level.
He looks more of a player than Rui right now.
I'd just send him to three point shooting boot camp, trade away Rui and use Cam instead. |
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MJST
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| Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2024 4:31 am Post subject: |
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| tox wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | tox wrote: | had some nice moments attacking closeouts which makes me wonder why teams are closing out to him
jury's still out on offense but you can't deny he slots people defensively much better |
The potential of a threat I guess. If he can shoot 35% from three he'll keep them honest. |
he won't |
We know
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Zillethai
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| Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:43 am Post subject: |
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| Great game last night. Cam needs to stay in the starting line up |
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Theseus
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That defense was really good last night. Seemed like he had switched onto bigs a lot in this one, and he was playing them well.
Love how he gets to loose balls for us. We really need that out there. Sometimes it leads to no stats for him, but we get possession of the ball.
Him driving the ball down the floor and finishing at the rim with his left hand is not a skill I thought he had |
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miggz23
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Cam needs to shoot more or need more offense from him as a starter. Small sample size but he is currently shooting.
62% fg
56% 3fg
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manlisten
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| Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 11:07 am Post subject: |
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| miggz23 wrote: | Cam needs to shoot more or need more offense from him as a starter. Small sample size but he is currently shooting.
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I'd argue the limited shot volume is boosting his percentages.
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Runway8
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| Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| miggz23 wrote: | Cam needs to shoot more or need more offense from him as a starter. Small sample size but he is currently shooting.
62% fg
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No. He needs to do exactly what he's been doing, a pest on defense, a disrupter. Any buckets from him is gravy. These are small sample FLUKE sizes. Start setting plays for him, and you're just asking for trouble. You already have about 6 yrs of sample sizes to look at. |
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LakersForever123
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| Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 11:23 am Post subject: |
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| Runway8 wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | Cam needs to shoot more or need more offense from him as a starter. Small sample size but he is currently shooting.
62% fg
56% 3fg
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No. He needs to do exactly what he's been doing, a pest on defense, a disrupter. Any buckets from him is gravy. These are small sample FLUKE sizes. Start setting plays for him, and you're just asking for trouble. You already have about 6 yrs of sample sizes to look at. |
This. |
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Megaton
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| Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 11:56 am Post subject: |
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| Runway8 wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | Cam needs to shoot more or need more offense from him as a starter. Small sample size but he is currently shooting.
62% fg
56% 3fg
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No. He needs to do exactly what he's been doing, a pest on defense, a disrupter. Any buckets from him is gravy. These are small sample FLUKE sizes. Start setting plays for him, and you're just asking for trouble. You already have about 6 yrs of sample sizes to look at. |
Very much this. His scoring is only needed if he’s wide open and no other option is available.
The second you rely on him to do anything more than he’s doing, it’s gonna hurt the team.
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dcarter4kobe
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It's fascinating how his offensive game has regressed. He use to show flashes of real ball skills. Now most times he looks allergic to the ball.
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miggz23
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| Megaton wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | Cam needs to shoot more or need more offense from him as a starter. Small sample size but he is currently shooting.
62% fg
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No. He needs to do exactly what he's been doing, a pest on defense, a disrupter. Any buckets from him is gravy. These are small sample FLUKE sizes. Start setting plays for him, and you're just asking for trouble. You already have about 6 yrs of sample sizes to look at. |
Very much this. His scoring is only needed if he’s wide open and no other option is available.
The second you rely on him to do anything more than he’s doing, it’s gonna hurt the team. |
You take advantage of those shooting percentages. No one is asking him to shoot 10 shots per game. Just saying he needs to take more than 3 shots per game since he’s shooting well right now compare to guys like Gabe /Christie who are also on limited touches. |
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He’s a good 3rd string wing but needed to play to cover for Vando and Max
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Megaton
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| miggz23 wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | Cam needs to shoot more or need more offense from him as a starter. Small sample size but he is currently shooting.
62% fg
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No. He needs to do exactly what he's been doing, a pest on defense, a disrupter. Any buckets from him is gravy. These are small sample FLUKE sizes. Start setting plays for him, and you're just asking for trouble. You already have about 6 yrs of sample sizes to look at. |
Very much this. His scoring is only needed if he’s wide open and no other option is available.
The second you rely on him to do anything more than he’s doing, it’s gonna hurt the team. |
You take advantage of those shooting percentages. No one is asking him to shoot 10 shots per game. Just saying he needs to take more than 3 shots per game since he’s shooting well right now compare to guys like Gabe /Christie who are also on limited touches. |
His percentages are on incredibly low sample sizes. We have 6 other years of REAL sample sizes. This is no different. You ask him to do more, those percentages WILL fall quickly, and end up hurting the team in the end.
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miggz23
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| Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Megaton wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | Cam needs to shoot more or need more offense from him as a starter. Small sample size but he is currently shooting.
62% fg
56% 3fg
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No. He needs to do exactly what he's been doing, a pest on defense, a disrupter. Any buckets from him is gravy. These are small sample FLUKE sizes. Start setting plays for him, and you're just asking for trouble. You already have about 6 yrs of sample sizes to look at. |
Very much this. His scoring is only needed if he’s wide open and no other option is available.
The second you rely on him to do anything more than he’s doing, it’s gonna hurt the team. |
You take advantage of those shooting percentages. No one is asking him to shoot 10 shots per game. Just saying he needs to take more than 3 shots per game since he’s shooting well right now compare to guys like Gabe /Christie who are also on limited touches. |
His percentages are on incredibly low sample sizes. We have 6 other years of REAL sample sizes. This is no different. You ask him to do more, those percentages WILL fall quickly, and end up hurting the team in the end. |
You don’t play scared man… You have to take advantages of the improvement. You never know, it could be an outlier year for him. No one is telling him to start jacking up shots. Maybe up his shot to 5-6 per game and see what happens. |
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Megaton
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| Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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| miggz23 wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | Cam needs to shoot more or need more offense from him as a starter. Small sample size but he is currently shooting.
62% fg
56% 3fg
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No. He needs to do exactly what he's been doing, a pest on defense, a disrupter. Any buckets from him is gravy. These are small sample FLUKE sizes. Start setting plays for him, and you're just asking for trouble. You already have about 6 yrs of sample sizes to look at. |
Very much this. His scoring is only needed if he’s wide open and no other option is available.
The second you rely on him to do anything more than he’s doing, it’s gonna hurt the team. |
You take advantage of those shooting percentages. No one is asking him to shoot 10 shots per game. Just saying he needs to take more than 3 shots per game since he’s shooting well right now compare to guys like Gabe /Christie who are also on limited touches. |
His percentages are on incredibly low sample sizes. We have 6 other years of REAL sample sizes. This is no different. You ask him to do more, those percentages WILL fall quickly, and end up hurting the team in the end. |
You don’t play scared man… You have to take advantages of the improvement. You never know, it could be an outlier year for him. No one is telling him to start jacking up shots. Maybe up his shot to 5-6 per game and see what happens. |
It’s not playing scared. It’s playing with what’s working. Lakers are winning. End of story.
Deal with it.
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MJST
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Those shooting percentages are what they are BECAUSE he isn't being asked to do anything offensively. Increasing the responsibility is when bad things happen. His career is an entire example of this.
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J.C. Smith
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| Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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If Cam can knock down open jumpers, and get the occasional point in transition he's useful. His defense and hustle is good. There's real value in his length defensively.
The offense has been what holds him back. |
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Trevacious2
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| Zillethai wrote: | | Great game last night. Cam needs to stay in the starting line up |
He keeps playing defense that way, then he's welcome! |
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tox
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| Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:56 am Post subject: |
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| Cam's at 62/56 now, just wait until a 4 game stretch where he goes 0-7 from 3 (0-2 3 games, 0-1 1 game) and now he's 5-16 (31%) because it turns out 9 shots is a comically small sample size |
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mhan00
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| tox wrote: | | Cam's at 62/56 now, just wait until a 4 game stretch where he goes 0-7 from 3 (0-2 3 games, 0-1 1 game) and now he's 5-16 (31%) because it turns out 9 shots is a comically small sample size |
You’re acting like those 9 shots aren’t a better indication of his shooting ability than the 1000 other shots he’s taken in his career!  |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Early season Cam is always a treat. JJ starting him was a fantastic decision. |
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