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LakersForever123 Star Player

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ocho wrote: | LakersForever123 wrote: | ocho wrote: | LakersForever123 wrote: | ocho wrote: | Now that Torrey Craig was had for the same price, the Reddish signing looks a lot worse. Especially considering it was in the first hour or so of FA. |
I am not losing sleep over Torrey Craig who averages 6 points and 34% in threes his entire career.
Laker management obviously sees value on a 23 yr old former lottery pick over 32 year old Torrey Craig. |
One defends and hits 40% of their 3s and the other can’t do either. Sleep well. |
I will definitely sleep well after gym work today. There is a lot of potential still left in Reddish ( at just 23 yrs old) or the Lakers would not even have signed him in the first place. |
Well let’s hope. The Hawks thought this. And the Knicks. And the Blazers. |
Didn’t Torrey Craig played for Denver, then Toronto, then Milwaukee, then Phoenix and then Indiana? Torrey Craig at 27 years old averaged just 4 points and 29% on threes his rookie year?
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LakerDYnasty72 Star Player

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LBJ23 wrote: | Now I have to defend Cam all season. Lol |
And I'm going to help you do so. Take a look at this:
Scores 11 as Lillard's replacement
Reddish had 11 points (4-8 FG, 0-4 3Pt, 3-4 FT), four rebounds and three assists across 26 minutes during Sunday's 127-110 loss to New Orleans.
Impact Reddish has started all but two games since joining the Blazers before the trade deadline, but he couldn't step his game up in a contest where he was replacing Damian Lillard (calf). Still, the former Knick is trending in the right direction and has scored in double digits in eight straight games, averaging 14.0 points on 32.5 minutes per contest during that stretch.
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Potential on full display
Reddish had 25 points (9-17 FG, 4-9 3Pt, 3-4 FT), three rebounds, two assists, two blocks and one steal over 33 minutes during Friday's 129-111 loss to the Hawks.
Impact Reddish provided another solid showing in a Portland uniform, filling up the stat sheet both offensively and defensively in Saturday's loss. Anfernee Simons (ankle) sat out this game which allowed the former Duke product to get some extra minutes again. In the four contests in which Reddish has played over 30 minutes with his new team, he's scored at least 18 points in three of them and has averaged 3.0 made threes and 1.8 steals.
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So, there's bad and good, but here's the super good news. He was improving as he got consistent minutes. I think what causes such a negative attitude toward the kid by some posters is his inconsistency. A major part of his inconsistency is he's a bit passive. Not naturally agressive. Just like AD, he'll need a kick in the ass from time to time. AD gets his from LeBron. Cam's will probably come from Ham, AD & LeBron.
The kid is just that, a kid. He's still figuring things out. What he seems to need most is stability, a defined role, consistent minutes whether he does well or not, and a coach who really embraces him as an athlete/son
As a stud athlete, and as young as he is, AND on a minimum contract, we can give him that environment. I'm an optimist to the core. I believe he'll flourish in this environment. |
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Role Floor, a damion Jones
Ceiling, battle minutes with maxwell Lewis, for now |
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LakerDYnasty72 wrote: | LBJ23 wrote: | Now I have to defend Cam all season. Lol |
And I'm going to help you do so. Take a look at this:
Scores 11 as Lillard's replacement
Reddish had 11 points (4-8 FG, 0-4 3Pt, 3-4 FT), four rebounds and three assists across 26 minutes during Sunday's 127-110 loss to New Orleans.
Impact Reddish has started all but two games since joining the Blazers before the trade deadline, but he couldn't step his game up in a contest where he was replacing Damian Lillard (calf). Still, the former Knick is trending in the right direction and has scored in double digits in eight straight games, averaging 14.0 points on 32.5 minutes per contest during that stretch.
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ROTOWIRE
Potential on full display
Reddish had 25 points (9-17 FG, 4-9 3Pt, 3-4 FT), three rebounds, two assists, two blocks and one steal over 33 minutes during Friday's 129-111 loss to the Hawks.
Impact Reddish provided another solid showing in a Portland uniform, filling up the stat sheet both offensively and defensively in Saturday's loss. Anfernee Simons (ankle) sat out this game which allowed the former Duke product to get some extra minutes again. In the four contests in which Reddish has played over 30 minutes with his new team, he's scored at least 18 points in three of them and has averaged 3.0 made threes and 1.8 steals.
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So, there's bad and good, but here's the super good news. He was improving as he got consistent minutes. I think what causes such a negative attitude toward the kid by some posters is his inconsistency. A major part of his inconsistency is he's a bit passive. Not naturally agressive. Just like AD, he'll need a kick in the ass from time to time. AD gets his from LeBron. Cam's will probably come from Ham, AD & LeBron.
The kid is just that, a kid. He's still figuring things out. What he seems to need most is stability, a defined role, consistent minutes whether he does well or not, and a coach who really embraces him as an athlete/son
As a stud athlete, and as young as he is, AND on a minimum contract, we can give him that environment. I'm an optimist to the core. I believe he'll flourish in this environment. |
I’m right with y’all.
Hopefully things click for him with us.
Our FO has been wanting him for a while |
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Reddish signing official. He’ll wear #5. _________________ 14-5-3-12 |
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ocho wrote: | Reddish signing official. He’ll wear #5. |
Time to get me a jersey it looks like _________________ Previously LBJ23 |
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Not expecting much, but really rooting for the kid. Obviously lottery talent but hasn't put it together. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Not expecting much, but really rooting for the kid. Obviously lottery talent but hasn't put it together. |
If Rui & Prince play well, minutes will be slim unless Cam is the 2nd coming of Scottie Pippen (Sr.). _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns". |
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6th man this season or maybe starting SF _________________ Previously LBJ23 |
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CamReddish wrote: | 6th man this season or maybe starting SF |
comedy hour, it seems _________________ Lakers need to build a freaking team ! |
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CamReddish wrote: | 6th man this season or maybe starting SF |
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One things for sure, there is no reason the Lakers should look less long and athletic than the other team this season. Since we won the title, starting with the Marc Gasol/Dennis in (Dwight/McGee/Green out) moves, we sort of went away from being longer and athletic around AD/Bron.
The last 6 months Pelinka has finally gotten back to focusing on length and skill around AD/Bron. Even though we don't have a power/physical Center, we do have a lot length and athleticism around old AD/Bron. That is exactly what we needed.
I am not high (or low) on Reddish. But I really like that this team has so many options with length/athleticism. Just go back a year and we're talking our options are JTA, Brown, Beverly, Westbrook around AD/Bron. We've improved so much.
I mean I know it's silly as Reddish hasn't done much to deserve this, but a lineup I'd suggest is DLO at the 1, Reddish at the 2, Rui at the 3, Bron at the 4 and AD at the 5. Reddish has to make his 3s, but that shows you what I'm thinking. I'm not so much on the Austin/DLO combo wagon. More of a lets split them and have one run the 2nd unit and the other partner up with a bigger guard/wing type. Not sure this is what Ham will do, but that's what I would be looking at. |
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Reddish will have his opportunities. He will be competing with Christie for the backup SG role. He even has the athleticism to be a POA defender and displace Vando in the rotation, especially if Vando's offensive game doesn't really improve. In that regard, Cam doesn't even have to be a good 3-point shooter, just more useful on offense (which he already is) but be comparable to Vando in terms of motor and efficacy on defense. Minutes will also open up when Lebron misses games, even when AD does and Ham opts to go small-ball with one of the forwards playing center. And if it works out and DLO isn't cutting it in the playoffs, then he can be a more dependable 3rd guard. Showing out in the playoffs is how he'll ultimately get his bag.
Not saying I think this will all happen but for our sake I hope it does. At the very least, I don't think he'll be able to say he didn't get a requisite shot. _________________ Luxury Tax/FA Spreadsheet (Save to your Google Drive to edit) |
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If Reddish can find a meaningful role at the 2-4, along with Max proving he is ready for mins, Cam makes Prince very expendable. Prince & D'lo + pick and/or JHS is nice package. Not great but can fetch something good.
If not, maybe he just finds mins here and there the way Troy did this past season - more likely if others are injured. |
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wolfpaclaker wrote: | One things for sure, there is no reason the Lakers should look less long and athletic than the other team this season. Since we won the title, starting with the Marc Gasol/Dennis in (Dwight/McGee/Green out) moves, we sort of went away from being longer and athletic around AD/Bron.
The last 6 months Pelinka has finally gotten back to focusing on length and skill around AD/Bron. Even though we don't have a power/physical Center, we do have a lot length and athleticism around old AD/Bron. That is exactly what we needed.
I am not high (or low) on Reddish. But I really like that this team has so many options with length/athleticism. Just go back a year and we're talking our options are JTA, Brown, Beverly, Westbrook around AD/Bron. We've improved so much.
I mean I know it's silly as Reddish hasn't done much to deserve this, but a lineup I'd suggest is DLO at the 1, Reddish at the 2, Rui at the 3, Bron at the 4 and AD at the 5. Reddish has to make his 3s, but that shows you what I'm thinking. I'm not so much on the Austin/DLO combo wagon. More of a lets split them and have one run the 2nd unit and the other partner up with a bigger guard/wing type. Not sure this is what Ham will do, but that's what I would be looking at. |
Rob, at the time, showed a classic case of how common sense is still uncommon. Rob got ahead of himself when he didn't immediately resign Dwight after 2020. The team we had was long and athletic. It was the formula for success.
I realize why signing the 6th MOY & the the runnerup seemed so prudent at the time, but it immediately made us shorter w/Harrell. Schroder was a good signing, but again, it made us shorter. Any time you can construct a team around athleticism & great length, you do it.
It's one of my enjoyable times to remember about Showtime. Magic 6'9, Cooper 6'6, Kareem 7'2, Worthy 6'9, Lansberger 6'8, Wilkes 6'7, McAdoo 6'10, the shortest impactful player was Norm Nixon 6'2, whom I would take over Schroder, Westbrook, and all the rest of the recent players. |
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That 2021 team started the year 21-6. They also looked like they were capable of advancing past Phoenix in the playoffs. After the shortest offseason ever, it was a long shot to repeat that year but the roster construction was fine if not perfect. This current team is "bigger" than last year's but all the new additions are worse at rebounding than the guys who are gone so I'm not sure how much of a difference it will make. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points." |
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That 2021 team also would have beaten that Phoenix team if AD didn't get hurt. We were on our way to another Finals.. But health is going to matter above all else. A lesson the Clippers have learned every single season since putting their Kawhi/George team together. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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defense wrote: | CamReddish wrote: | 6th man this season or maybe starting SF |
Rich man's Mich Richmond |
mitch richmond: 6× NBA All-Star, 3× All-NBA Second Team, 2× All-NBA Third Team
cam's gonna surpass all this? lol |
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lakersfan32 wrote: | defense wrote: | CamReddish wrote: | 6th man this season or maybe starting SF |
Rich man's Mich Richmond |
mitch richmond: 6× NBA All-Star, 3× All-NBA Second Team, 2× All-NBA Third Team
cam's gonna surpass all this? lol |
This kid has nothing until he proves the contrary. _________________ Lakers need to build a freaking team ! |
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LakerDYnasty72 wrote: | wolfpaclaker wrote: | One things for sure, there is no reason the Lakers should look less long and athletic than the other team this season. Since we won the title, starting with the Marc Gasol/Dennis in (Dwight/McGee/Green out) moves, we sort of went away from being longer and athletic around AD/Bron.
The last 6 months Pelinka has finally gotten back to focusing on length and skill around AD/Bron. Even though we don't have a power/physical Center, we do have a lot length and athleticism around old AD/Bron. That is exactly what we needed.
I am not high (or low) on Reddish. But I really like that this team has so many options with length/athleticism. Just go back a year and we're talking our options are JTA, Brown, Beverly, Westbrook around AD/Bron. We've improved so much.
I mean I know it's silly as Reddish hasn't done much to deserve this, but a lineup I'd suggest is DLO at the 1, Reddish at the 2, Rui at the 3, Bron at the 4 and AD at the 5. Reddish has to make his 3s, but that shows you what I'm thinking. I'm not so much on the Austin/DLO combo wagon. More of a lets split them and have one run the 2nd unit and the other partner up with a bigger guard/wing type. Not sure this is what Ham will do, but that's what I would be looking at. |
Rob, at the time, showed a classic case of how common sense is still uncommon. Rob got ahead of himself when he didn't immediately resign Dwight after 2020. The team we had was long and athletic. It was the formula for success.
I realize why signing the 6th MOY & the the runnerup seemed so prudent at the time, but it immediately made us shorter w/Harrell. Schroder was a good signing, but again, it made us shorter. Any time you can construct a team around athleticism & great length, you do it.
It's one of my enjoyable times to remember about Showtime. Magic 6'9, Cooper 6'6, Kareem 7'2, Worthy 6'9, Lansberger 6'8, Wilkes 6'7, McAdoo 6'10, the shortest impactful player was Norm Nixon 6'2, whom I would take over Schroder, Westbrook, and all the rest of the recent players. |
We were fine in 2021. The personnel changes weren’t what killed us. We were cruising until injuries hit AD and Solomon Hill ran into Lebron’s leg. Hill doesn’t tackle Lebron, or if AD doesn’t get hurt again in the first round, it’s very likely we would have made the finals to face the Bucks. |
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defense wrote: | CamReddish wrote: | 6th man this season or maybe starting SF |
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defense continues with the spot on player comps |
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mhan00 wrote: | LakerDYnasty72 wrote: | wolfpaclaker wrote: | One things for sure, there is no reason the Lakers should look less long and athletic than the other team this season. Since we won the title, starting with the Marc Gasol/Dennis in (Dwight/McGee/Green out) moves, we sort of went away from being longer and athletic around AD/Bron.
The last 6 months Pelinka has finally gotten back to focusing on length and skill around AD/Bron. Even though we don't have a power/physical Center, we do have a lot length and athleticism around old AD/Bron. That is exactly what we needed.
I am not high (or low) on Reddish. But I really like that this team has so many options with length/athleticism. Just go back a year and we're talking our options are JTA, Brown, Beverly, Westbrook around AD/Bron. We've improved so much.
I mean I know it's silly as Reddish hasn't done much to deserve this, but a lineup I'd suggest is DLO at the 1, Reddish at the 2, Rui at the 3, Bron at the 4 and AD at the 5. Reddish has to make his 3s, but that shows you what I'm thinking. I'm not so much on the Austin/DLO combo wagon. More of a lets split them and have one run the 2nd unit and the other partner up with a bigger guard/wing type. Not sure this is what Ham will do, but that's what I would be looking at. |
Rob, at the time, showed a classic case of how common sense is still uncommon. Rob got ahead of himself when he didn't immediately resign Dwight after 2020. The team we had was long and athletic. It was the formula for success.
I realize why signing the 6th MOY & the the runnerup seemed so prudent at the time, but it immediately made us shorter w/Harrell. Schroder was a good signing, but again, it made us shorter. Any time you can construct a team around athleticism & great length, you do it.
It's one of my enjoyable times to remember about Showtime. Magic 6'9, Cooper 6'6, Kareem 7'2, Worthy 6'9, Lansberger 6'8, Wilkes 6'7, McAdoo 6'10, the shortest impactful player was Norm Nixon 6'2, whom I would take over Schroder, Westbrook, and all the rest of the recent players. |
We were fine in 2021. The personnel changes weren’t what killed us. We were cruising until injuries hit AD and Solomon Hill ran into Lebron’s leg. Hill doesn’t tackle Lebron, or if AD doesn’t get hurt again in the first round, it’s very likely we would have made the finals to face the Bucks. |
Yeah, when 1 and especially both of your Superstars get hurt it's game over for any team in the NBA. If even just one of Bron or AD were close to full strength we very well could have still made some major noise that year. Even with both a hobbled Bron and AD we looked to be on our way to beating the Suns but once AD was fully out it was game over for us.
I agree and am all for added length but that 2021 team was good enough still imo and at the time the moves seemed right as we knew AD and Bron would be missing games while the majority of our role players looked awful to end the previous Season so the confidence was absolutely not high they could help float us in the Regular Season and adding some firepower seemed very necessary. |
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Feel like the Cam debates have had some very strong swings in both directions. Before we got him, there was a lot of trade talk (not good use of assets in my mind) and overrating of Cam. When we got him, it really felt like that swung the other way where there was strong opposition and almost underrating his skills, which was hard for me to image happening.
It’s interesting that we have a coach who used to coach with him in Atlanta and apparently they think that will help. But I’m guessing he’ll end up taking over that Troy Brown role for the team (but with a bit more scoring punch). But I also don’t think we will need as much with Christie and Prince in the mix.
We were forced last year to run Brown a lot at SF, which made us a smaller team. With Prince, we’ll be able to run more length at SG with a guy like Reddish. He’s got the exact same standing reach and slightly bigger wingspan than Brown. But we were better off in certain matchups when we could get that length at the SG. (Christie’s wingspan and reach aren’t quite as big as Brown and Reddish.)
Cam’s D is probably a little underrated. But I think where it nets out is Christie gets backup SG minutes because of his better two-way game. I don’t think Cam can compete with Christie’s shooting. We’ve got Rui, Bron and Prince all probably playing some SF. Cam and Prince probably have similar scoring production, but Prince is the better floor spacer. We’re really going to need that three shooting.
Cam will have better quality three shooting than he’s had, but unless something big happens over the summer with the Laker coaches and him, I really have a hard time seeing him finding consistent minutes. Ham did love his three guard lineups, though…so who knows? I think we’ll experiment with him, but it will net out where he’s on the fringe of the rotation. Even more so if we play some two-big man lineups like Pelinka was hinting we want to do. |
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tox wrote: | defense wrote: | CamReddish wrote: | 6th man this season or maybe starting SF |
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defense continues with the spot on player comps |
All Stars and All NBA's are really kind of easy. Cam will have a plethora before his career is over.
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defense wrote: | tox wrote: | defense wrote: | CamReddish wrote: | 6th man this season or maybe starting SF |
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defense continues with the spot on player comps |
All Stars and All NBA's are really kind of easy. Cam will have a plethora before his career is over.
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Can we count on Cam for defense? Unclear
Is defense counting on Cam? Hell yeah! |
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