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Texas_Pete wrote:
Wouldn't surprise me to hear Cam giving buckets to everyone in training camp. Dude got a lot in his bag. Hope he puts it all together with the Lakers.
Well, I’ll try to keep this short.
I never watched him play for any team, I heard a lot of you wanting him for awhile. So when he was signed as usual I YouTube all our new guys & watched highlights of him.
I gather he has never received the attention from Duke all the way till now to teach him the pro game & most importantly knowledge of coaching & peers!
No question he has talent & shooting ability but like all players in any sport you don’t get better unless you give EFFORT & get the MINUTES.
Just watching him shoot reminds me of Glen Rice/George Gervin style. I’m not saying he is the Iceman, but I can see him still at 23 becoming a Glen Rice player & that if he can get minutes from Ham & eggs not over playing LBJ? Cam can earn time behind Prince or at SG if he’s coached up & the vets teach him professional work ethic!
Like all these Monk, Walker, one year signings I just hope if he does rise above he sticks with us for another contract & we continue to do these deals until Bron is gone. I’d rather have 7-8 guys making 12-18 mill than 2 max & vet subs but I gotta give props to Rob this year for bringing most back & filling the losses with unexpected guys! _________________ My Laker squad.
Mr. Clutch, Nixon, Eddie, Nick, Magic, Kareem,
Silk, Cooper, AC, Worthy, Horry, Shaq, Kobe.
HC: Riley
Since he was at Duke, I've been hoping the Lakers could get him, and now they finally have him. I hope he can pan out, because he truly has some talents that can take him really far in this league...
He's always had to play more of a role, which will still be the case on this Lakers team, at least for now. He could carve out a bright future for himself!
Since he was at Duke, I've been hoping the Lakers could get him, and now they finally have him. I hope he can pan out, because he truly has some talents that can take him really far in this league...
He's always had to play more of a role, which will still be the case on this Lakers team, at least for now. He could carve out a bright future for himself!
We're pulling for you CAM, Let's GO!!!!
Sorry to break it to you but unless Cam tears it up in training camp he's probably the 9th or 10th man in the rotation.
Cam sucked even at Duke. But maybe the Lakers will be the team to finally unlock his untouched potential?
If not, he’s out of the league. Even though he will most likely lose to Max Christie in the rotation.
I think a sudden magical leap for Cam is unlikely. If it actually happens he has a PO and he’s gone next year. Great? I would have preferred a more reliable player going into the final season of our run. Same with Hayes. I think it’s just unlikely both guys suddenly become productive players and if they do we lose them. _________________ 14-5-3-12
Cam sucked even at Duke. But maybe the Lakers will be the team to finally unlock his untouched potential?
If not, he’s out of the league. Even though he will most likely lose to Max Christie in the rotation.
I think a sudden magical leap for Cam is unlikely. If it actually happens he has a PO and he’s gone next year. Great? I would have preferred a more reliable player going into the final season of our run. Same with Hayes. I think it’s just unlikely both guys suddenly become productive players and if they do we lose them.
Yeah, those 2nd year player options can prove to be pesky if things don't turn out right, and if they do, they're likely gone.
Hayes/Cam are at a major crossroads. They turn things around or they may be out of the league soon. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Cam sucked even at Duke. But maybe the Lakers will be the team to finally unlock his untouched potential?
If not, he’s out of the league. Even though he will most likely lose to Max Christie in the rotation.
I think a sudden magical leap for Cam is unlikely. If it actually happens he has a PO and he’s gone next year. Great? I would have preferred a more reliable player going into the final season of our run. Same with Hayes. I think it’s just unlikely both guys suddenly become productive players and if they do we lose them.
Do either need to take "magical" leaps to help the Lakers in a big way this season?
I don't think so.
I think both will be given clear roles and coached to those roles. Will they be able to improve? At 23 years old, why not.
If Reddish improves slightly on his 3-ball and takes defense seriously... he's a good signing at that level.
Same general thing with Hayes.
If they improve enough to get big contracts, fantastic. You probably had an excellent season.
Cam sucked even at Duke. But maybe the Lakers will be the team to finally unlock his untouched potential?
If not, he’s out of the league. Even though he will most likely lose to Max Christie in the rotation.
I think a sudden magical leap for Cam is unlikely. If it actually happens he has a PO and he’s gone next year. Great? I would have preferred a more reliable player going into the final season of our run. Same with Hayes. I think it’s just unlikely both guys suddenly become productive players and if they do we lose them.
Do either need to take "magical" leaps to help the Lakers in a big way this season?
I don't think so.
I think both will be given clear roles and coached to those roles. Will they be able to improve? At 23 years old, why not.
If Reddish improves slightly on his 3-ball and takes defense seriously... he's a good signing at that level.
Same general thing with Hayes.
If they improve enough to get big contracts, fantastic. You probably had an excellent season.
When you say “improves his 3-ball and takes defense seriously” like those are easy things, you really are describing a big leap. Both guys are bad, inconsistent players. Them becoming solid, consistent, two way contributors is a leap. Is it possible? Sure. Is it likely? I don’t think so.
With regards to losing them if they break out, we are assuming all the risk and putting in work to rehabilitate them and if we are successful they take their talents somewhere else. 1year risky projects doing have a great ROI. Investing in upside players isn’t really the province of teams with championship aspirations and a rapidly closing window. We’ve got one last crack at this with LeBron. We were probably better suited getting him some actual help. _________________ 14-5-3-12
Wouldn't surprise me to hear Cam giving buckets to everyone in training camp. Dude got a lot in his bag. Hope he puts it all together with the Lakers.
Well, I’ll try to keep this short.
I never watched him play for any team, I heard a lot of you wanting him for awhile. So when he was signed as usual I YouTube all our new guys & watched highlights of him.
I gather he has never received the attention from Duke all the way till now to teach him the pro game & most importantly knowledge of coaching & peers!
No question he has talent & shooting ability but like all players in any sport you don’t get better unless you give EFFORT & get the MINUTES.
Just watching him shoot reminds me of Glen Rice/George Gervin style. I’m not saying he is the Iceman, but I can see him still at 23 becoming a Glen Rice player & that if he can get minutes from Ham & eggs not over playing LBJ? Cam can earn time behind Prince or at SG if he’s coached up & the vets teach him professional work ethic!
Like all these Monk, Walker, one year signings I just hope if he does rise above he sticks with us for another contract & we continue to do these deals until Bron is gone. I’d rather have 7-8 guys making 12-18 mill than 2 max & vet subs but I gotta give props to Rob this year for bringing most back & filling the losses with unexpected guys!
I agree with you 100%. Cam has all the attributes that you need in the modern NBA: long, can shoot, athletic and has unlimited potential. He just has to put it all together. Can Ham, Handy and the rest of the coaching staff help develop this young man? I sure hope so.
Reaves and Rui are examples of what this current Laker team is about. Taking young diamonds in the rough and giving them the tools to excell/develop. Let's hope Cam finds his home and proves that he's legit. Fingers crossed for him to become the player he's meant to be.
Cam sucked even at Duke. But maybe the Lakers will be the team to finally unlock his untouched potential?
If not, he’s out of the league. Even though he will most likely lose to Max Christie in the rotation.
I think a sudden magical leap for Cam is unlikely. If it actually happens he has a PO and he’s gone next year. Great? I would have preferred a more reliable player going into the final season of our run. Same with Hayes. I think it’s just unlikely both guys suddenly become productive players and if they do we lose them.
Do either need to take "magical" leaps to help the Lakers in a big way this season?
I don't think so.
I think both will be given clear roles and coached to those roles. Will they be able to improve? At 23 years old, why not.
If Reddish improves slightly on his 3-ball and takes defense seriously... he's a good signing at that level.
Same general thing with Hayes.
If they improve enough to get big contracts, fantastic. You probably had an excellent season.
When you say “improves his 3-ball and takes defense seriously” like those are easy things, you really are describing a big leap. Both guys are bad, inconsistent players. Them becoming solid, consistent, two way contributors is a leap. Is it possible? Sure. Is it likely? I don’t think so.
With regards to losing them if they break out, we are assuming all the risk and putting in work to rehabilitate them and if we are successful they take their talents somewhere else. 1year risky projects doing have a great ROI. Investing in upside players isn’t really the province of teams with championship aspirations and a rapidly closing window. We’ve got one last crack at this with LeBron. We were probably better suited getting him some actual help.
I'd disagree. It's not magical, because we're not asking them to do something that is outside of their abilities or that they haven't shown they can do.
I also disagree with your definition of "risk" here. "Risk", when we're talking about roster building, is how much capital you invest in a player. If your existing structure.. coaching/development.. makes them better, that's not "risk".. that's your program.
And.. they did get them actual help. Vincent and Prince are both guys much more likely to be on the court at the end of a playoff game than guys currently on the roster or who were on the roster last year. That's help.
If either takes a step similar to Troy Brown Junior, given the differences in physical abilities, it'll be a huge win. And no one would call Brown's growth this past year "magical."
I'd disagree. It's not magical, because we're not asking them to do something that is outside of their abilities or that they haven't shown they can do.
They haven’t shown they can do it. If they were consistent, productive players they wouldn’t be available for the min. Reddish is on his 4th team in 4 seasons. New Orleans didn’t even give Hayes a QO. They have mostly shown themselves to be big disappointments who can’t contribute to winning teams. We are wishing and hoping that changes and changes fast.
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I also disagree with your definition of "risk" here. "Risk", when we're talking about roster building, is how much capital you invest in a player. If your existing structure.. coaching/development.. makes them better, that's not "risk".. that's your program.
Of course it’s a risk. You have 15 roster spots. We are burning 2 of them on bad players we hope we can make good in short order. We chose those two over other options that are more consistent and are more known commodities. We are investing time and energy into developing them. That’s a risk. If we get to the playoffs and have a hole on the roster because we’ve got those two sitting on the bench it will feel much riskier to you than it does in July.
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And.. they did get them actual help. Vincent and Prince are both guys much more likely to be on the court at the end of a playoff game than guys currently on the roster or who were on the roster last year. That's help.
I like those signings. But they also could have added more help with the roster spots they’re dedicating to the Reddish/Hayes experiments. It’s possible those gambles pay off. It’s more likely they don’t.
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If either takes a step similar to Troy Brown Junior, given the differences in physical abilities, it'll be a huge win. And no one would call Brown's growth this past year "magical."
I don’t think Troy showed much of any growth this last year. He saw some upticks in shooting and scoring because his minutes went up. He came to us a good defensive (if undersized) wing who could shoot 3s and that’s the player he is today. Cam Reddish is arriving as a bad defender who can’t shoot. Him becoming a good defender who can shoot would be a leap that I could describe as, dare I say it, magical. _________________ 14-5-3-12
Cam sucked even at Duke. But maybe the Lakers will be the team to finally unlock his untouched potential?
If not, he’s out of the league. Even though he will most likely lose to Max Christie in the rotation.
I think a sudden magical leap for Cam is unlikely. If it actually happens he has a PO and he’s gone next year. Great? I would have preferred a more reliable player going into the final season of our run. Same with Hayes. I think it’s just unlikely both guys suddenly become productive players and if they do we lose them.
^^^This. One year or two with a player option is near useless. The player is gone the next year no matter what. If he is bad…well sure…he’s gone. But if he’s even slightly useful…like Monk, LWIV, TBjr…he’s gone too because the team wouldn’t have much chance of bringing him back. Wasted signing, two years or pass. _________________ “When it looks as if it is a realistic possibility, I want to focus on winning a ship like it’s a goal that can’t be denied. I didn’t see that this off season.”
Now that Torrey Craig was had for the same price, the Reddish signing looks a lot worse. Especially considering it was in the first hour or so of FA. _________________ 14-5-3-12
I'd disagree. It's not magical, because we're not asking them to do something that is outside of their abilities or that they haven't shown they can do.
They haven’t shown they can do it. If they were consistent, productive players they wouldn’t be available for the min. Reddish is on his 4th team in 4 seasons. New Orleans didn’t even give Hayes a QO. They have mostly shown themselves to be big disappointments who can’t contribute to winning teams. We are wishing and hoping that changes and changes fast.
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I also disagree with your definition of "risk" here. "Risk", when we're talking about roster building, is how much capital you invest in a player. If your existing structure.. coaching/development.. makes them better, that's not "risk".. that's your program.
Of course it’s a risk. You have 15 roster spots. We are burning 2 of them on bad players we hope we can make good in short order. We chose those two over other options that are more consistent and are more known commodities. We are investing time and energy into developing them. That’s a risk. If we get to the playoffs and have a hole on the roster because we’ve got those two sitting on the bench it will feel much riskier to you than it does in July.
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And.. they did get them actual help. Vincent and Prince are both guys much more likely to be on the court at the end of a playoff game than guys currently on the roster or who were on the roster last year. That's help.
I like those signings. But they also could have added more help with the roster spots they’re dedicating to the Reddish/Hayes experiments. It’s possible those gambles pay off. It’s more likely they don’t.
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If either takes a step similar to Troy Brown Junior, given the differences in physical abilities, it'll be a huge win. And no one would call Brown's growth this past year "magical."
I don’t think Troy showed much of any growth this last year. He saw some upticks in shooting and scoring because his minutes went up. He came to us a good defensive (if undersized) wing who could shoot 3s and that’s the player he is today. Cam Reddish is arriving as a bad defender who can’t shoot. Him becoming a good defender who can shoot would be a leap that I could describe as, dare I say it, magical.
I am ok with the risk of both Reddish and Hayes on minimal contracts. Not expecting either to excel and carve out consistent mpg. But I do think they will find ways to contribute over the long season. Some of that “inconsistency” does come weigh some highs over an 82 game span.
Doubt either will be expected to play big roles or mpg. Just fill in as needed. Hayes I am hoping for a bit more with his fitting in for 12- 15 mpg. Not a go to player but his activity rate is promising. We will see.
Also don’t agree with the risk of the contracts narrative. Both were QOs of $7.7m. They haven’t produced, so that is significant. Lakers signed both for minimal $2.5m end of the bench roles. A reasonable risk IMO.
The key from a coaching staff perspective is to find a safe role for them. Keep it simple. Play hard and stay within the system. They produce more than that so be it. Neither is taking a job in the core group unless they earn it. Likely Reddish is cheerleading most of the season except on James nights off or any injuries to those in front of him. Then he goes from DNP-CD to a few mins per quarter. Who knows? Maybe he surprises us all if given the opportunity.
Good luck young man. Same as all the rookies and new additions.
Now that Torrey Craig was had for the same price, the Reddish signing looks a lot worse. Especially considering it was in the first hour or so of FA.
I am not losing sleep over Torrey Craig who averages 6 points and 34% in threes his entire career.
Laker management obviously sees value on a 23 yr old former lottery pick over 32 year old Torrey Craig.
One defends and hits 40% of their 3s and the other can’t do either. Sleep well.
I will definitely sleep well after gym work today. There is a lot of potential still left in Reddish ( at just 23 yrs old) or the Lakers would not even have signed him in the first place.
Now that Torrey Craig was had for the same price, the Reddish signing looks a lot worse. Especially considering it was in the first hour or so of FA.
I am not losing sleep over Torrey Craig who averages 6 points and 34% in threes his entire career.
Laker management obviously sees value on a 23 yr old former lottery pick over 32 year old Torrey Craig.
One defends and hits 40% of their 3s and the other can’t do either. Sleep well.
I will definitely sleep well after gym work today. There is a lot of potential still left in Reddish ( at just 23 yrs old) or the Lakers would not even have signed him in the first place.
Well let’s hope. The Hawks thought this. And the Knicks. And the Blazers. _________________ 14-5-3-12
Now that Torrey Craig was had for the same price, the Reddish signing looks a lot worse. Especially considering it was in the first hour or so of FA.
Maybe. Not sure if Reddish is a tip of the hat to Klutch, or just Pelinka and the front office taking a flyer on a player they like more than others. Its not like Cam has an open path to significant minutes here (which is also why Craig wouldn't have had great interest).
I would have probably looked at a veteran guard instead (Walker, Beasley, Gordon, other). We have one too many projects for a team looking to contend imo. If he does do well he just opts out and benefits more than the team, which is why it feels more like a Klutch offering. _________________ Charter Member:
Austin “Team USA” Reaves fan club.
Rui "Black Samurai" Hachimura fan club
Now that Torrey Craig was had for the same price, the Reddish signing looks a lot worse. Especially considering it was in the first hour or so of FA.
Maybe. Not sure if Reddish is a tip of the hat to Klutch, or just Pelinka and the front office taking a flyer on a player they like more than others. Its not like Cam has an open path to significant minutes here (which is also why Craig wouldn't have had great interest).
I would have probably looked at a veteran guard instead (Walker, Beasley, Gordon, other). We have one too many projects for a team looking to contend imo. If he does do well he just opts out and benefits more than the team, which is why it feels more like a Klutch offering.
Yeah if Craig turned us down for a bigger role then so be it. He didn’t sign until very late in FA so I’m not totally convinced he was turning down offers from contenders. I get the upside play, but we are trying to win a championship next season and really could have used someone ready to contribute. It’s a small quibble though. I don’t think Cam will play much and neither would Craig. They may be able to turn him around, but I would have prioritized a solid vet over a project given we have a 1 year window left. _________________ 14-5-3-12
Reddish is terrible. He’s only in the league still from the strength of his high school ranking. He sucked at Duke & in the nba so far. Should’ve given the spot to someone else that can actually play not an extremely unlikely project.
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