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MJST wrote: | Kblo247! wrote: | gng930 wrote: | Sadly, we've let our fandom, a few good games, and a trivial thirst for "big lineups" blind us to the fact that he is not a good human being. I am guilty as well. It's sad that it takes video footage on TMZ to get the NBA to actually launch a serious investigation which they should've done in the first place. This is so reminiscent of the Ray Rice situation. I'd forgotten that the NBA didn't even suspend him in the first place...appalling. |
He literally paid his fine, did probation, completed community service almost 3-4 years ago. It would be crazy to suspend or fine him now |
The Lakers also already knew all of this when they signed him and he was apparently very transparent. |
And in fact we talked about it at the beginning of this thread when he was first signed. I've thought it very odd that the video came up again and NBA folks are acting like this is brand new. Highly highly disappointing yes but if he's transparent and he did what he was supposed to do then? |
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gng930 wrote: | Sadly, we've let our fandom, a few good games, and a trivial thirst for "big lineups" blind us to the fact that he is not a good human being. I am guilty as well. It's sad that it takes video footage on TMZ to get the NBA to actually launch a serious investigation which they should've done in the first place. This is so reminiscent of the Ray Rice situation. I'd forgotten that the NBA didn't even suspend him in the first place...appalling. |
For many many sports fans there is simply no crime or offense severe enough to turn down a player that might help them win. Even a scrub like Hayes who doesn’t even impact winning. The stuff that has been defended through the years on this forum is pretty wild. _________________ 14-5-3-12 |
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sonic the laker Star Player

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To keep things in context, it's the league that's "re-looking" at the situation around Hayes abuse of his ex. As of now, the allegations from his ex's lawyers, are against Hayes lawyers. Alleged misconduct regarding improper contact with one of the officers on the case (alleged payments to the officer made for "unknown reasons"). Nothing new against Hayes, himself. _________________ ZOOM!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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TooMuchMajicBuss Franchise Player


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3 questions:
1) has Hayes already served all penalties, fines, and remedies related to the 2021 incident, inclusive of everything we know about his actions now?
2) Was Hayes transparent with the Lakers and the league?
3) Has there been any evidence whatsoever, any evidence at all, of any recurrence of the same behavior patterns after this 2021 incident?
It's imperative to hold NBA players, and anyone else for that matter, that physical abuse is not acceptable, and if someone is convicted of a crime that he/she pay the penalty for it, and take steps to change that behavior permanently. And that this incident stay on record since he has a history now, which statistically increases the risk of future occurrences.
On the other hand, it's disingenuous for people to get outraged and label a person for life, with no regard to whether this person has remorse and has taken steps to resolve their behavior. He could be a violent guy through and through. He could have been a young kid with an NBA body but a teenagers maturity. You don't know. Re-convicting someone over and over in the court of public opinion or the NBA on the same incident without looking at these kind of questions is empty preaching.
Either Jaxon Hayes has reverted and started hitting women again, has lied to the Lakers and the league about the incident, has not served a penalty commensurate with the crime committed, or, absent any of these, this is TMZ with the dirt, so they can call themselves social justice champions and so lawyers can cash in on manufactured outrage. |
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Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2024 8:53 am Post subject: |
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I always thought Hayes to be a weirdo but not in this kind of way |
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He did his time. Media is looking for another story. _________________ Yi Jianlian Fanboy. Respect The Chair.
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Denny_Russo wrote: | He did his time. Media is looking for another story. |
What time? Dude never went to prison. _________________ LUKA FREAKING DONCIC WHAT IS THIS TIMELINE?!
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Nowadays, It's tough to have this kind of thing hanging around. Even if all of the legal stuff seems to be taken care of, snippets of stuff from old incidents can still come up later on.
I vaguely recall there being precedence from the NFL for suspending someone for abuse-type stuff even without charges.
It's something to keep an eye on. Not to mention abuse is bad, of course. |
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ThreePointBomber wrote: | Waiting for the fake outrage posts because even though this information was known already.
I would love to go back into the Kyrie thread to see all of the posters who were against Kyrie because he posted an Amazon link, but said nothing when Jaxon was signed. |
ones beliefs whether you agree with them or not isnt as bad as putting your hands on someone. _________________ https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDfvXWXvpeb/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== |
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Crazy that the league never disciplined him when it initially happened. Reminiscent of how the NFL turned a blind eye to the Ray Rice incident until the video leaked and their hand was forced. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points." |
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gng930 Franchise Player

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TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | 3 questions:
1) has Hayes already served all penalties, fines, and remedies related to the 2021 incident, inclusive of everything we know about his actions now?
2) Was Hayes transparent with the Lakers and the league?
3) Has there been any evidence whatsoever, any evidence at all, of any recurrence of the same behavior patterns after this 2021 incident?
It's imperative to hold NBA players, and anyone else for that matter, that physical abuse is not acceptable, and if someone is convicted of a crime that he/she pay the penalty for it, and take steps to change that behavior permanently. And that this incident stay on record since he has a history now, which statistically increases the risk of future occurrences.
On the other hand, it's disingenuous for people to get outraged and label a person for life, with no regard to whether this person has remorse and has taken steps to resolve their behavior. He could be a violent guy through and through. He could have been a young kid with an NBA body but a teenagers maturity. You don't know. Re-convicting someone over and over in the court of public opinion or the NBA on the same incident without looking at these kind of questions is empty preaching.
Either Jaxon Hayes has reverted and started hitting women again, has lied to the Lakers and the league about the incident, has not served a penalty commensurate with the crime committed, or, absent any of these, this is TMZ with the dirt, so they can call themselves social justice champions and so lawyers can cash in on manufactured outrage. |
This is what I question the most. Either Hayes wasn't transparent/honest or the NBA chose to look the other way if he ended up without a suspension. So either we've been rooting for an even more despicable person than we previously thought or, for the latter, we continue to enable these types of actions by the NBA. _________________ Luxury Tax/FA Spreadsheet (Save to your Google Drive to edit) |
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Why are sports teams in the business of deciding who is guilty or not of a crime? If the legal system finds him guilty of something, then the Lakers should react. If not, then no.
Tired of all this nauseous virtue-signaling and nonsense cancellation. Look at Trevor Bauer... the woman was eventually found to have lied (it was all consensual) and she even got jailed for a separate blackmail charge a few years later. Yet, his career ended because of this idiocy.
Just stupid. None of us are perfect. _________________ "He may say it's not you, it's him.... but it's really you." |
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silkwilkes wrote: | Why are sports teams in the business of deciding who is guilty or not of a crime? If the legal system finds him guilty of something, then the Lakers should react. If not, then no.
Tired of all this nauseous virtue-signaling and nonsense cancellation. Look at Trevor Bauer... the woman was eventually found to have lied (it was all consensual) and she even got jailed for a separate blackmail charge a few years later. Yet, his career ended because of this idiocy.
Just stupid. None of us are perfect. |
Agree. How could people forget what happened with Kobe in Colorado? _________________ Lakers. Built different. |
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ocho wrote: | gng930 wrote: | Sadly, we've let our fandom, a few good games, and a trivial thirst for "big lineups" blind us to the fact that he is not a good human being. I am guilty as well. It's sad that it takes video footage on TMZ to get the NBA to actually launch a serious investigation which they should've done in the first place. This is so reminiscent of the Ray Rice situation. I'd forgotten that the NBA didn't even suspend him in the first place...appalling. |
For many many sports fans there is simply no crime or offense severe enough to turn down a player that might help them win. Even a scrub like Hayes who doesn’t even impact winning. The stuff that has been defended through the years on this forum is pretty wild. |
"He did his time" said various Laker fans about the backup center giving them just-above-replacement-level-player production. When asked for comment on the regular physical abuse the scrub subjected his girlfriend too before leveraging his wealth for a lenient punishment that required no actual "time" served, the Laker fans either just shrugged or vaguely cited a "Laker tax" as the reason for the scrutiny. |
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Hammett wrote: | silkwilkes wrote: | Why are sports teams in the business of deciding who is guilty or not of a crime? If the legal system finds him guilty of something, then the Lakers should react. If not, then no.
Tired of all this nauseous virtue-signaling and nonsense cancellation. Look at Trevor Bauer... the woman was eventually found to have lied (it was all consensual) and she even got jailed for a separate blackmail charge a few years later. Yet, his career ended because of this idiocy.
Just stupid. None of us are perfect. |
Agree. How could people forget what happened with Kobe in Colorado? |
His career would have ended there and then (in the NBA at least, likely would have left for Europe) if that happened today. _________________ "He may say it's not you, it's him.... but it's really you." |
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silkwilkes wrote: | Why are sports teams in the business of deciding who is guilty or not of a crime? If the legal system finds him guilty of something, then the Lakers should react. If not, then no.
Tired of all this nauseous virtue-signaling and nonsense cancellation. Look at Trevor Bauer... the woman was eventually found to have lied (it was all consensual) and she even got jailed for a separate blackmail charge a few years later. Yet, his career ended because of this idiocy.
Just stupid. None of us are perfect. |
So true Silk... F this BS Virtue Signaling... I'm so done with it.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Were any of this there? No, but that won't stop the judging.
Has he done everything the judge told him to? I think so... haven't heard otherwise.
It's believable that he hit her... but is it believable that she was throwing things at him like he testified, and this was an altercation between two adults acting like children? Yes.
This is a big cup of none of my business because it was a minor altercation by all accounts and not some sordid PDiddy history or T Hill beatdown or something where you look at a dude and go WTF homie?!
When a man admits his guilt and then does what he's asked that should be the end of it.
TMZ went fishing for no reason and now the NBA doesn't want to look bad... that's all this is.
Truth is that if Jax hasn't done anything wrong since this, then there's no reason to re-litigate this in the court of public opinion.
And I speak from deep personal experience of having been falsely accused multiple times by the same woman who was guilty AF of everything she accused me of. Took me YEARS to clear my name and once the judge said she 'lacked significant credibility' nothing ever happened to her.
But that didn't stop her from abusing my son until I got him out of that.
This women do no wrong nonsense has to stop in this culture. Women do jacked up ish too.
I'm out. _________________ "If you see me in a fight with a bear, pray for the bear." - Kobe |
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pjiddy wrote: | ocho wrote: | gng930 wrote: | Sadly, we've let our fandom, a few good games, and a trivial thirst for "big lineups" blind us to the fact that he is not a good human being. I am guilty as well. It's sad that it takes video footage on TMZ to get the NBA to actually launch a serious investigation which they should've done in the first place. This is so reminiscent of the Ray Rice situation. I'd forgotten that the NBA didn't even suspend him in the first place...appalling. |
For many many sports fans there is simply no crime or offense severe enough to turn down a player that might help them win. Even a scrub like Hayes who doesn’t even impact winning. The stuff that has been defended through the years on this forum is pretty wild. |
"He did his time" said various Laker fans about the backup center giving them just-above-replacement-level-player production. When asked for comment on the regular physical abuse the scrub subjected his girlfriend too before leveraging his wealth for a lenient punishment that required no actual "time" served, the Laker fans either just shrugged or vaguely cited a "Laker tax" as the reason for the scrutiny. |
Were you there?
No?
Then STFU. Judgmental MFer. _________________ "If you see me in a fight with a bear, pray for the bear." - Kobe |
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Halflife wrote: | ThreePointBomber wrote: | Waiting for the fake outrage posts because even though this information was known already.
I would love to go back into the Kyrie thread to see all of the posters who were against Kyrie because he posted an Amazon link, but said nothing when Jaxon was signed. |
ones beliefs whether you agree with them or not isnt as bad as putting your hands on someone. |
Clearly you've never had a woman with bad intentions... they exist... and always protected by men who believe women could never behave deplorably.
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pjiddy wrote: | ocho wrote: | gng930 wrote: | Sadly, we've let our fandom, a few good games, and a trivial thirst for "big lineups" blind us to the fact that he is not a good human being. I am guilty as well. It's sad that it takes video footage on TMZ to get the NBA to actually launch a serious investigation which they should've done in the first place. This is so reminiscent of the Ray Rice situation. I'd forgotten that the NBA didn't even suspend him in the first place...appalling. |
For many many sports fans there is simply no crime or offense severe enough to turn down a player that might help them win. Even a scrub like Hayes who doesn’t even impact winning. The stuff that has been defended through the years on this forum is pretty wild. |
"He did his time" said various Laker fans about the backup center giving them just-above-replacement-level-player production. When asked for comment on the regular physical abuse the scrub subjected his girlfriend too before leveraging his wealth for a lenient punishment that required no actual "time" served, the Laker fans either just shrugged or vaguely cited a "Laker tax" as the reason for the scrutiny. |
The fact that he’s on tape and they’re still blaming the victim speaks volumes. The victim, btw, is on the tape begging him to be quiet and stop resisting arrest. She’s looking out for him after he just abused her and attacked a cop. But yeah, Jaxon is the real victim here. _________________ 14-5-3-12 |
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ocho wrote: | pjiddy wrote: | ocho wrote: | gng930 wrote: | Sadly, we've let our fandom, a few good games, and a trivial thirst for "big lineups" blind us to the fact that he is not a good human being. I am guilty as well. It's sad that it takes video footage on TMZ to get the NBA to actually launch a serious investigation which they should've done in the first place. This is so reminiscent of the Ray Rice situation. I'd forgotten that the NBA didn't even suspend him in the first place...appalling. |
For many many sports fans there is simply no crime or offense severe enough to turn down a player that might help them win. Even a scrub like Hayes who doesn’t even impact winning. The stuff that has been defended through the years on this forum is pretty wild. |
"He did his time" said various Laker fans about the backup center giving them just-above-replacement-level-player production. When asked for comment on the regular physical abuse the scrub subjected his girlfriend too before leveraging his wealth for a lenient punishment that required no actual "time" served, the Laker fans either just shrugged or vaguely cited a "Laker tax" as the reason for the scrutiny. |
The fact that he’s on tape and they’re still blaming the victim speaks volumes. The victim, btw, is on the tape begging him to be quiet and stop resisting arrest. She’s looking out for him after he just abused her and attacked a cop. But yeah, Jaxon is the real victim here. |
Have people said he's a victim?? He certainly is not the victim and I haven't read anyone say he is. |
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pjiddy wrote: | ocho wrote: | gng930 wrote: | Sadly, we've let our fandom, a few good games, and a trivial thirst for "big lineups" blind us to the fact that he is not a good human being. I am guilty as well. It's sad that it takes video footage on TMZ to get the NBA to actually launch a serious investigation which they should've done in the first place. This is so reminiscent of the Ray Rice situation. I'd forgotten that the NBA didn't even suspend him in the first place...appalling. |
For many many sports fans there is simply no crime or offense severe enough to turn down a player that might help them win. Even a scrub like Hayes who doesn’t even impact winning. The stuff that has been defended through the years on this forum is pretty wild. |
"He did his time" said various Laker fans about the backup center giving them just-above-replacement-level-player production. When asked for comment on the regular physical abuse the scrub subjected his girlfriend too before leveraging his wealth for a lenient punishment that required no actual "time" served, the Laker fans either just shrugged or vaguely cited a "Laker tax" as the reason for the scrutiny. |
Seems like you know all the details of this investigation. Can you tell me what he's being charged with?
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silkwilkes wrote: | Hammett wrote: | silkwilkes wrote: | Why are sports teams in the business of deciding who is guilty or not of a crime? If the legal system finds him guilty of something, then the Lakers should react. If not, then no.
Tired of all this nauseous virtue-signaling and nonsense cancellation. Look at Trevor Bauer... the woman was eventually found to have lied (it was all consensual) and she even got jailed for a separate blackmail charge a few years later. Yet, his career ended because of this idiocy.
Just stupid. None of us are perfect. |
Agree. How could people forget what happened with Kobe in Colorado? |
His career would have ended there and then (in the NBA at least, likely would have left for Europe) if that happened today. |
The stuff that came out in the Kobe trial was crazy. Yes the reaction would be far different today than 21 years ago. That said, Kobe was never seen pushing or hurting a woman. It was a he said she said situation. When cops came, Kobe fully cooperated. In the case of Jaxon it is clear he’s seen pushing the girl and also clear he’s pushed the cop and being uncooperative. Jaxon is making an easy case to be seen as physically abusive and mentally abusive. He spit towards her. In Kobe’s case it was very very different situation there was a lot more uncertainty whether Kobe’s version or the accusers version was accurate at first.
The main difference I see happening today vs 21 years ago Kobe would have never been allowed to keep playing in that 03-04 season. Not until his name was cleared. So he sits out the year. Can’t see in todays league and times a player be allowed to play with those charges hanging. |
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CervantesRises wrote: | Halflife wrote: | ThreePointBomber wrote: | Waiting for the fake outrage posts because even though this information was known already.
I would love to go back into the Kyrie thread to see all of the posters who were against Kyrie because he posted an Amazon link, but said nothing when Jaxon was signed. |
ones beliefs whether you agree with them or not isnt as bad as putting your hands on someone. |
Clearly you've never had a woman with bad intentions... they exist... and always protected by men who believe women could never behave deplorably.
Margaret Sanger waves hello. |
Judging from the video she posed zero threat imo _________________ https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDfvXWXvpeb/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== |
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gng930 Franchise Player

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CervantesRises wrote: | Halflife wrote: | ThreePointBomber wrote: | Waiting for the fake outrage posts because even though this information was known already.
I would love to go back into the Kyrie thread to see all of the posters who were against Kyrie because he posted an Amazon link, but said nothing when Jaxon was signed. |
ones beliefs whether you agree with them or not isnt as bad as putting your hands on someone. |
Clearly you've never had a woman with bad intentions... they exist... and always protected by men who believe women could never behave deplorably.
Margaret Sanger waves hello. |
As horrifying as your experience was, you don't get to project it on to this situation. The video clearly shows a woman asking/begging him multiple times to leave her alone. His own cousin tried to step in. She warns him multiple times that she will scream or call the cops. She is clearly trying to avoid escalating the situation for a man she somehow still cares to protect. Yet he spit at her and was too ill-tempered to not destroy his own furniture or even back down when police stepped in. I actually question if he was under the influence of something. I'm sorry you went through what you did but that does not change what is plainly evident on the video.
I understand the arguments that it's not the NBA's job to be the moral police when the law has already spoken (though I disagree). But I can't fathom any argument that doesn't paint Jaxson as the obvious guilty party here. _________________ Luxury Tax/FA Spreadsheet (Save to your Google Drive to edit)
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silkwilkes wrote: | Why are sports teams in the business of deciding who is guilty or not of a crime? If the legal system finds him guilty of something, then the Lakers should react. If not, then no.
Tired of all this nauseous virtue-signaling and nonsense cancellation. Look at Trevor Bauer... the woman was eventually found to have lied (it was all consensual) and she even got jailed for a separate blackmail charge a few years later. Yet, his career ended because of this idiocy.
Just stupid. None of us are perfect. |
Didn't more accusers charge Bauer? One to which he even paid a settlement.
When the Ray Rice video came out did you feel the Ravens should have allowed him to continue to play for them? _________________ Luxury Tax/FA Spreadsheet (Save to your Google Drive to edit) |
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