Missed a guy who can just finish those passes. Koloko showed today it isn't always as easy as it looks for Hayes to just explode like he does for finishes.
Very true. However we can invest in Koloko the same way we invested in Hayes and benefit for similar reasons.
Great to see Hayes back. I think we could have went 3-1 or 2-2 at worst on the road trip if we had him. And we'd be near locked into the 2nd seed. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
The thing I've learned is a lot of teams who don't need pieces at the start of the offseason tend to make moves and then you see them create that need. Or they'll even add a player they feel is an asset and then make a move using other pieces as a trade asset. IE you add a player like Hayes who can give you minutes as a starter, now you can throw in another piece on your roster for a trade to upgrade elsewhere. Sometimes it's just about depth.
Hayes impact and numbers as a starter, I will be surprised if he doesn't get at least a 2 year MLE level type of deal.
I do hope that the market puts him in the tax payer MLE, which is more in line with what the Lakers would want to pay him. Just knowing the NBA, you got a 24 year old who is proving he can start in the NBA and he's long, athletic and great at finishing plays around the rim created by a star PG. You probably see a team be willing to take a 2-3 year investment on that.
Hartenstein just got 30 million a year a few months ago. If Hayes keeps this up through the playoffs, he’s gonna get paid by someone. Then you also have to factor in that teams, specially competitors, aren’t just gonna let the Lakers retain a good player for cheap if they can do something about it.
The thing I've learned is a lot of teams who don't need pieces at the start of the offseason tend to make moves and then you see them create that need. Or they'll even add a player they feel is an asset and then make a move using other pieces as a trade asset. IE you add a player like Hayes who can give you minutes as a starter, now you can throw in another piece on your roster for a trade to upgrade elsewhere. Sometimes it's just about depth.
Hayes impact and numbers as a starter, I will be surprised if he doesn't get at least a 2 year MLE level type of deal.
I do hope that the market puts him in the tax payer MLE, which is more in line with what the Lakers would want to pay him. Just knowing the NBA, you got a 24 year old who is proving he can start in the NBA and he's long, athletic and great at finishing plays around the rim created by a star PG. You probably see a team be willing to take a 2-3 year investment on that.
Hartenstein just got 30 million a year a few months ago. If Hayes keeps this up through the playoffs, he’s gonna get paid by someone. Then you also have to factor in that teams, specially competitors, aren’t just gonna let the Lakers retain a good player for cheap if they can do something about it.
Gonna be a real (bleep) to find both a competent starting big and backup next season should Jax leave. Could see Balmer going after him since they need some size behind Zu.
Using the NTMLE triggers a hard cap at the first apron. I doubt those teams will be lining themselves up to hard cap themselves for Jaxson Hayes. Time will tell though.
I think most teams will understand Hayes isn't bundled with Luka in the signing.
Exactly. Luka should charge Jaxson a sizeable commission on whatever his next contract winds up being.
Jaxson's market around the league isn't going to be close to $10m. Other teams know it's the Luka effect. _________________ The King, the Don and the Daddy walk into the arena...
Jaxson's market around the league isn't going to be close to $10m. Other teams know it's the Luka effect.
If they can remove him from the Lakers who just won the 2025 Championship then that benefits them
Just wait until he gets his Skyhook down
I somehow get the feeling Jaxson would take more of Kareem's advice than Bynum did. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
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MJST wrote:
ContagiousInspiration wrote:
Laker's Fan wrote:
Jaxson's market around the league isn't going to be close to $10m. Other teams know it's the Luka effect.
If they can remove him from the Lakers who just won the 2025 Championship then that benefits them
Just wait until he gets his Skyhook down
I somehow get the feeling Jaxson would take more of Kareem's advice than Bynum did.
*Jax probably a better gifted athlete than Bynum
I think he needed to grow up and forgive his younger self for any bad he had done off the court to feel like he could truly contribute to something bigger than himself.
He is growing into a team leader
*not trying to idolize Bron but with all of his on court accomplishments he does a lot off the court too and raised his kids well and stayed married to the same woman his whole life. To a young player who needs to get his (bleep) together. .being paired with this guy would evoke maturity out of you you didn't know you had within you. _________________ If we don't make it dangerous to be a Nazi
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We're a different team with him. Come next year. Rob should make sure we have another big who does the same thing for the non Hayes minutes. And we're scary. _________________ When the world grows. Grow with it.
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Who’s better, Hayes or Mark Williams? There’s some stat that Williams is actually one of the worst rim protectors in the league. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
Jaxson's market around the league isn't going to be close to $10m. Other teams know it's the Luka effect.
Nobody is going to sign him expecting 15-18 points a night. Luka isn’t helping him out on the defensive end, that’s where he’s making his money. 25 yo athletic rim protectors don’t grow on trees, plus he’s still has potential to get better because of his age/body/athleticism. Like I said, Hartenstein got 30 million a year and he wasn’t giving the Knicks much more than what Jaxson is giving us right now.
Jaxson Hayes is who you hold onto and get a bargain like we did with Reaves, Rui and Vando. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
It's not Rui or Lebron that make the difference on defense. It's Hayes, and a dose of DFS. Been saying while some players add some positive contribution to the defense (such as Rui/Lebron), players like Hayes you can scheme your entire defense around.
He is getting paid big time this offseason and I hope we are prepared for that.
Big time game. As someone else said, if we had DFS/Luka/Hayes with Reaves playing as well as he has been, we would have been able to win some of those 4 game road.
Hayes health is a big X factor for this playoff run. I feel with him we're a legit top 4 contender. Without him, even with Luka/Lebron, we're a play in team due to the drop off on defense (and lack of a backup big).
The best thing about Hayes? He also has value around Luka/Lebron/Reaves as a play finisher on offense. When they do their 1 on 1 guard stuff, and bigs come out to help or whatever, Hayes can catch and finish. 2-way impact.
If we can get a guard version of what Hayes brings (Caruso type) we probably could win a title this year, IMO. Still may have a real shot, but I feel we're 1 player short (maybe 2 considering we have no legit backup 5). If Hayes gets into foul trouble in playoff games, or if we find ourselves in a physical match up where Hayes can't help as much, that's where your backup 5 comes into play.
Hayes is definitely taking advantage of his opportunity.
One of the great things about the situation is that Hayes is getting so many reps.. and giving him the opportunity to learn and improve. Feels like he's getting better, overall, as the season moves along.
He's got real limitations, but that's not a huge issue.. what's most important is that he maximizes what he CAN do. And he's doing that.
Jaxson's market around the league isn't going to be close to $10m. Other teams know it's the Luka effect.
Nobody is going to sign him expecting 15-18 points a night. Luka isn’t helping him out on the defensive end, that’s where he’s making his money. 25 yo athletic rim protectors don’t grow on trees, plus he’s still has potential to get better because of his age/body/athleticism. Like I said, Hartenstein got 30 million a year and he wasn’t giving the Knicks much more than what Jaxson is giving us right now.
Hayes numbers this season:
Pre All Star - 31 games, 17.6mpg, 5.8pt, 4.2r, 1.0b
Post All Star - 10 games, 25mpg, 9.6pt,5.9r,1.2b
Neither of these statistical profiles is getting a NTMLE offer. He opted into a minimum contract this past summer, and before Luka wasn't thought to be in the team's plans. He has made some money for sure. But the idea that someone out there is going to compete for Hayes at $10m+ ignores too much of the context. _________________ The King, the Don and the Daddy walk into the arena...
The Nets are the only team projected to have cap space and they have 2 centers we are interested in. Claxton and Sharpe.
Hope he's able to be locked in a fair deal but Pelinka has a tendency to over pay for guys. THT, Vando, Rui all overpaid _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though."
Jaxson's market around the league isn't going to be close to $10m. Other teams know it's the Luka effect.
Nobody is going to sign him expecting 15-18 points a night. Luka isn’t helping him out on the defensive end, that’s where he’s making his money. 25 yo athletic rim protectors don’t grow on trees, plus he’s still has potential to get better because of his age/body/athleticism. Like I said, Hartenstein got 30 million a year and he wasn’t giving the Knicks much more than what Jaxson is giving us right now.
Hayes numbers this season:
Pre All Star - 31 games, 17.6mpg, 5.8pt, 4.2r, 1.0b
Post All Star - 10 games, 25mpg, 9.6pt,5.9r,1.2b
Neither of these statistical profiles is getting a NTMLE offer. He opted into a minimum contract this past summer, and before Luka wasn't thought to be in the team's plans. He has made some money for sure. But the idea that someone out there is going to compete for Hayes at $10m+ ignores too much of the context.
Think its more than the numbers suggest, dont the advanced defense stats suggest hes one of the top defensive centers in nba this season?
Jaxson's market around the league isn't going to be close to $10m. Other teams know it's the Luka effect.
Nobody is going to sign him expecting 15-18 points a night. Luka isn’t helping him out on the defensive end, that’s where he’s making his money. 25 yo athletic rim protectors don’t grow on trees, plus he’s still has potential to get better because of his age/body/athleticism. Like I said, Hartenstein got 30 million a year and he wasn’t giving the Knicks much more than what Jaxson is giving us right now.
Hayes numbers this season:
Pre All Star - 31 games, 17.6mpg, 5.8pt, 4.2r, 1.0b
Post All Star - 10 games, 25mpg, 9.6pt,5.9r,1.2b
Neither of these statistical profiles is getting a NTMLE offer. He opted into a minimum contract this past summer, and before Luka wasn't thought to be in the team's plans. He has made some money for sure. But the idea that someone out there is going to compete for Hayes at $10m+ ignores too much of the context.
Think its more than the numbers suggest, dont the advanced defense stats suggest hes one of the top defensive centers in nba this season?
Sounds like a Gabe/MLE $ to me. Pelinka could figure it out, DFS too, all keepers _________________ “The main goal for the Lakers is to win a championship. All I care about, all we care about, is to raise another banner in the rafters.“
Jaxson's market around the league isn't going to be close to $10m. Other teams know it's the Luka effect.
Nobody is going to sign him expecting 15-18 points a night. Luka isn’t helping him out on the defensive end, that’s where he’s making his money. 25 yo athletic rim protectors don’t grow on trees, plus he’s still has potential to get better because of his age/body/athleticism. Like I said, Hartenstein got 30 million a year and he wasn’t giving the Knicks much more than what Jaxson is giving us right now.
Hayes numbers this season:
Pre All Star - 31 games, 17.6mpg, 5.8pt, 4.2r, 1.0b
Post All Star - 10 games, 25mpg, 9.6pt,5.9r,1.2b
Neither of these statistical profiles is getting a NTMLE offer. He opted into a minimum contract this past summer, and before Luka wasn't thought to be in the team's plans. He has made some money for sure. But the idea that someone out there is going to compete for Hayes at $10m+ ignores too much of the context.
Think its more than the numbers suggest, dont the advanced defense stats suggest hes one of the top defensive centers in nba this season?
Sounds like a Gabe/MLE $ to me. Pelinka could figure it out, DFS too, all keepers
Defensive numbers are noisy, and Hayes having strong numbers coincides with LA being near the top of the league in defense while Jax is still playing minutes in the low 20s and missing a number of games. When Davis was here he certainly wasn't looking at Jax as the answer at Center either.
It's not an anti-Jax position. He is actually proving to be a good fit for what we need. Offensively he's an excellent lob target and has cleaned up some of his offensive fouling. Defensively he's a level of the ball big playing for a coach who likes to switch and run red against PnR. JJ likes to play small, so not investing significant $ at center makes sense. Note that the targets we had this past deadline (Duren, Walker, Williams, Sharpe, Simms) all made $4m per year or less next year. I really don't see LA offering him $10m and don't see what other team offers him that much either. _________________ The King, the Don and the Daddy walk into the arena...
Jaxson's market around the league isn't going to be close to $10m. Other teams know it's the Luka effect.
Nobody is going to sign him expecting 15-18 points a night. Luka isn’t helping him out on the defensive end, that’s where he’s making his money. 25 yo athletic rim protectors don’t grow on trees, plus he’s still has potential to get better because of his age/body/athleticism. Like I said, Hartenstein got 30 million a year and he wasn’t giving the Knicks much more than what Jaxson is giving us right now.
Hayes numbers this season:
Pre All Star - 31 games, 17.6mpg, 5.8pt, 4.2r, 1.0b
Post All Star - 10 games, 25mpg, 9.6pt,5.9r,1.2b
Neither of these statistical profiles is getting a NTMLE offer. He opted into a minimum contract this past summer, and before Luka wasn't thought to be in the team's plans. He has made some money for sure. But the idea that someone out there is going to compete for Hayes at $10m+ ignores too much of the context.
Funny how you completely ignored my Hartenstein example. I’m basing my opinion on the most recent market for this type of player. You seem to be basing your opinion on just wishful thinking.
Hartenstein last season:
25 mpg, 8 ppg, 8 rbg, 1 blk
This got him 30 million a year for three years, and you think that if Hayes keeps this up he’s not even gonna get 10? How Sway? Make it make sense.
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