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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | And they said the Pelicans would be down 15-20 points and Hayes is on the bench laughing it up, cracking jokes, having a good time. Stuff like that. I don’t think we can rely on him to have a spot in the rotation, although his highlight tape looked great. He didn’t miss a single shot or make a poor decision in the entire tape. |
This is something you see on young rudderless teams that don't have strong leaders. I'll be surprised if he can sit on the bench and laugh while Lebron/AD are anywhere in eyesight of him. I could be wrong, we'll see.
I've seen that same kind of behavior on our losing teams. Especially during the tail end of Kobe's career when he was not sitting on the bench due to injury. That young core would sometimes be laughing while getting their butts spanked, with the exception of Ingram. |
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | And they said the Pelicans would be down 15-20 points and Hayes is on the bench laughing it up, cracking jokes, having a good time. Stuff like that. I don’t think we can rely on him to have a spot in the rotation, although his highlight tape looked great. He didn’t miss a single shot or make a poor decision in the entire tape. |
Pelicans are a bottom of the barrel organization, and their FO has no clue how to build or run teams. I'd put them right there with some g-league teams in how poorly they are managed. They are a 2nd rate, poverty-level franchise that has some of the worst ownership & management, plus insanely low expectations for their players. I have no idea what their endgame with Zion is, but it doesn't look good. He'll keep eating Jambalayas, screwing pornstars, and they'll continue making excuses for him, while BI breaks his back carrying them again from those inevitable lottery berths.
At least with Rob here, there will be some level of accountability for Hayes. Ain't none of that in New Orleans. Hayes will figure it out here IMO. He has no other choice.
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Pelinka SL interview: "we brought in Hayes to play along side AD"
Also, we lost to DEN b/c we were too small. 2 Big time. |
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| parsons777 wrote: | Pelinka SL interview: "we brought in Hayes to play along side AD"
Also, we lost to DEN b/c we were too small. 2 Big time. |
Does this mean AD and Hayes on the court at the same time?
I was under the impression AD would still play center and Hayes backup center.
If it really means AD and Hayes side by side, it seems like the paint would be too crowded? |
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| lar9149 wrote: | | parsons777 wrote: | Pelinka SL interview: "we brought in Hayes to play along side AD"
Also, we lost to DEN b/c we were too small. 2 Big time. |
Does this mean AD and Hayes on the court at the same time?
I was under the impression AD would still play center and Hayes backup center.
If it really means AD and Hayes side by side, it seems like the paint would be too crowded? |
We played AD & Wenyen last year together to pretty good effect last year. I think it depends on the matchup. For example, after we take out LeBron (and DLO) in the 1st, we can run the following lineup:
Vincent/ AR/ Rui or Prince/ Hayes/ AD
That'd work well against teams that play fairly big.
We could probably even start Hayes at the 4 if we wanted a supersized lineup, e.g. against Denver or Memphis. |
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| lar9149 wrote: | | parsons777 wrote: | Pelinka SL interview: "we brought in Hayes to play along side AD"
Also, we lost to DEN b/c we were too small. 2 Big time. |
Does this mean AD and Hayes on the court at the same time?
I was under the impression AD would still play center and Hayes backup center.
If it really means AD and Hayes side by side, it seems like the paint would be too crowded? |
Everything is predicated on Davis being able to hit his shots at a fairly consistent rate. |
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| Another big with AD only works if AD is an average perimeter shooter which he hasn't been since the bubble |
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| socalsp3 wrote: | | Another big with AD only works if AD is an average perimeter shooter which he hasn't been since the bubble |
What if the other big is a good perimeter shooter? |
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| lar9149 wrote: | | parsons777 wrote: | Pelinka SL interview: "we brought in Hayes to play along side AD"
Also, we lost to DEN b/c we were too small. 2 Big time. |
Does this mean AD and Hayes on the court at the same time?
I was under the impression AD would still play center and Hayes backup center.
If it really means AD and Hayes side by side, it seems like the paint would be too crowded? |
It means both. AD will play the five at times. Hayes will sometimes sub for him at the five. Other times AD will slide to the four when Hayes comes in and plays the five.
Their successful union will flourish or fail based on the shooting of AD, and the shooters they have around him & Hayes to compensate for the fact that Hayes doesn't have a reliable jumper. |
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What should Lakers fans expect from Jaxson Hayes?
| Quote: | Jaxson Hayes’ tenure was a mixed bag throughout his four years in New Orleans.
His length and athleticism are first-class, as evidenced by a mountain of highlight dunks, defensive plays and soaring rebounds.
His fundamentals, understanding of the game and motor though — while all improved since his rookie season — still lack that desired consistency. |
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2023/7/8/23787528/nba-free-agency-lakers-sign-jaxson-hayes-analysis-pelicans |
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I'm betting Jaxson will succeed, where Bamba could not. He bet on himself, gets to play with Lebron and a bunch of very good passing teammates. If he applies himself, learns and listens to the coaches and vets, he is going to have a fun ride here.
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So? I wouldn't hate it
Reaves
Russell
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Davis
Hayes
Maybe we can be a top rebounding team and have some block parties to go with the top 5 defense. |
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| waterman40 wrote: | | I'm betting Jaxson will succeed, where Bamba could not. He bet on himself, gets to play with Lebron and a bunch of very good passing teammates. If he applies himself, learns and listens to the coaches and vets, he is going to have a fun ride here. |
I totally concur!  |
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| waterman40 wrote: | | I'm betting Jaxson will succeed, where Bamba could not. He bet on himself, gets to play with Lebron and a bunch of very good passing teammates. If he applies himself, learns and listens to the coaches and vets, he is going to have a fun ride here. |
Ya his issues are 90% mental. He has god given athleticism and hops. It's just about working on that noggin of his and not overreacting when things don't go his way. The bright lights of LA won't help with that but I'm sure he has a good coaching staff around him. It's also a good thing the Lakers are more cutthroat than the Pels, who seemed to be okay with him not succeeding.
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I see him as our Wenyen upgrade. Wenyen always felt like he was about 2 inches below where he could really make an impact. Hayes gives us more above the rim play on both ends. I think that will help. That’s probably enough where we don’t go with those Rui/Bron at C lineups that we chose to play instead of Wenyen. So a little upgrade here from how I think they will play him.
I liked Wenyen’s hustle/heart and attitude. That will be missed, but on-court production will improve here. We’ll see where the roster nets out with another big and that may impact Hayes’ usage. |
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Really hoping to get 3 things from Hayes. If he does this, I will be very happy.
block shots
defend
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| defense wrote: | Really hoping to get 3 things from Hayes. If he does this, I will be very happy.
block shots
defend
finish strong |
And be the 1st big down the floor on both ends. Just run. Lol
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This will reflect on Darvin a lot.
If Hayes buys into a defensive roll and a rim runner and screener on offense, I will give both men a ton of credit!!
I don't think it's too far-fetched, but I don't think the odds are excellent either.
Hope Jaxson can make a moderate to strong impact, that's what this team will need from the C spot this season.
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Anything could happen but the best predictor of future performance is past performance. I hope Hayes performs much better than he has over the last 4 years but the odds don’t favor it, he most likely will be who he has been. Realizing he is a long shot with his emergence only thought of as a bonus then he would be a decent gamble but expecting his emergence as part of the initial plan for winning is irresponsible and shows a lack of commitment to a championship pursuit.
The gamble on a player like Hayes to turn it around is more suited for a team without realistic championship aspirations such as a lottery team trying to get to the playin, or perhaps a playin team trying to get a better seed. Expecting a player like Hayes to change his game…acquiring him with hope that his contributions would be a bonus is ok…but counting on a player to have to improve to the point where he would have to be a different player as much as Hayes would need to improve isn’t something a team gambles on with with championship aspirations.
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | Anything could happen but the best predictor of future performance is past performance. I hope Hayes performs much better than he has over the last 4 years but the odds don’t favor it, he most likely will be who he has been. Realizing he is a long shot with his emergence only thought of as a bonus then he would be a decent gamble but expecting his emergence as part of the initial plan for winning is irresponsible and shows a lack of commitment to a championship pursuit.
The gamble on a player like Hayes to turn it around is more suited for a team without realistic championship aspirations such as a lottery team trying to get to the playin, or perhaps a playin team trying to get a better seed. Expecting a player like Hayes to change his game…acquiring him with hope that his contributions would be a bonus is ok…but counting on a player to have to improve to the point where he would have to be a different player as much as Hayes would need to improve isn’t something a team gambles on with with championship aspirations. |
Eh. The pressure of being a lottery pick is now off as he is a minimum deal player. On the Pels, they were hoping he was a foundational player for the team, which obviously he was not.
On this team, he has a more limited set of duties and expectations and I think he can meet those. Compare him to what we were using last year (undersized Wenyen) or an oft injured Mo who had not motor?
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | Anything could happen but the best predictor of future performance is past performance. I hope Hayes performs much better than he has over the last 4 years but the odds don’t favor it, he most likely will be who he has been. Realizing he is a long shot with his emergence only thought of as a bonus then he would be a decent gamble but expecting his emergence as part of the initial plan for winning is irresponsible and shows a lack of commitment to a championship pursuit.
The gamble on a player like Hayes to turn it around is more suited for a team without realistic championship aspirations such as a lottery team trying to get to the playin, or perhaps a playin team trying to get a better seed. Expecting a player like Hayes to change his game…acquiring him with hope that his contributions would be a bonus is ok…but counting on a player to have to improve to the point where he would have to be a different player as much as Hayes would need to improve isn’t something a team gambles on with with championship aspirations. |
Eh. The pressure of being a lottery pick is now off as he is a minimum deal player. On the Pels, they were hoping he was a foundational player for the team, which obviously he was not.
On this team, he has a more limited set of duties and expectations and I think he can meet those. Compare him to what we were using last year (undersized Wenyen) or an oft injured Mo who had not motor? |
| pio2u wrote: | What should Lakers fans expect from Jaxson Hayes?
| Quote: | Jaxson Hayes’ tenure was a mixed bag throughout his four years in New Orleans.
His length and athleticism are first-class, as evidenced by a mountain of highlight dunks, defensive plays and soaring rebounds.
His fundamentals, understanding of the game and motor though — while all improved since his rookie season — still lack that desired consistency. |
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2023/7/8/23787528/nba-free-agency-lakers-sign-jaxson-hayes-analysis-pelicans |
The lack of motor has been used to describe them both.
The difference in MoBa and Hayes is that MoBa has shown the production in the past whereas Hayes hasn’t. MoBa needs to show he can do it again but Hayes has to do something he has not shown he can do. Perhaps he can. Let’s hope so.
Hoping for the past production to return for MoBa and hoping for the future production to emerge for Hayes would have been a decent gamble if we had them both. Gambling on either one of them by themself shows imo a lack of commitment to a ship run or lack of understanding of a roster construction needed for such.
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | Anything could happen but the best predictor of future performance is past performance. I hope Hayes performs much better than he has over the last 4 years but the odds don’t favor it, he most likely will be who he has been. Realizing he is a long shot with his emergence only thought of as a bonus then he would be a decent gamble but expecting his emergence as part of the initial plan for winning is irresponsible and shows a lack of commitment to a championship pursuit.
The gamble on a player like Hayes to turn it around is more suited for a team without realistic championship aspirations such as a lottery team trying to get to the playin, or perhaps a playin team trying to get a better seed. Expecting a player like Hayes to change his game…acquiring him with hope that his contributions would be a bonus is ok…but counting on a player to have to improve to the point where he would have to be a different player as much as Hayes would need to improve isn’t something a team gambles on with with championship aspirations. |
Eh. The pressure of being a lottery pick is now off as he is a minimum deal player. On the Pels, they were hoping he was a foundational player for the team, which obviously he was not.
On this team, he has a more limited set of duties and expectations and I think he can meet those. Compare him to what we were using last year (undersized Wenyen) or an oft injured Mo who had not motor? |
| pio2u wrote: | What should Lakers fans expect from Jaxson Hayes?
| Quote: | Jaxson Hayes’ tenure was a mixed bag throughout his four years in New Orleans.
His length and athleticism are first-class, as evidenced by a mountain of highlight dunks, defensive plays and soaring rebounds.
His fundamentals, understanding of the game and motor though — while all improved since his rookie season — still lack that desired consistency. |
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2023/7/8/23787528/nba-free-agency-lakers-sign-jaxson-hayes-analysis-pelicans |
The lack of motor has been used to describe them both.
The difference in MoBa and Hayes is that MoBa has shown the production in the past whereas Hayes hasn’t. MoBa needs to show he can do it again but Hayes has to do something he has not shown he can do. Perhaps he can. Let’s hope so.
Hoping for the past production to return for MoBa and hoping for the future production to emerge for Hayes would have been a decent gamble if we had them both. Gambling on either one of them by themself shows imo a lack of commitment to a ship run or lack of understanding of a roster construction needed for such. |
Hopefully being around "Adults" (LBR/AD) will provide a Role Model/Example/Standard for Hayes to follow. Plus LBR/AD/Ham will NOT allow stupidity and unprofessionalism seap into the locker room - otherwise they will be instantly jettisoned.
Hayes can bang with the Big Boys while MoBa appears to be too frail/think to be able to bang with most of his skillset seemingly on the perimeter where a Christian Woods/Morris/Green would probably put up better numbers. |
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | Anything could happen but the best predictor of future performance is past performance. I hope Hayes performs much better than he has over the last 4 years but the odds don’t favor it, he most likely will be who he has been. Realizing he is a long shot with his emergence only thought of as a bonus then he would be a decent gamble but expecting his emergence as part of the initial plan for winning is irresponsible and shows a lack of commitment to a championship pursuit.
The gamble on a player like Hayes to turn it around is more suited for a team without realistic championship aspirations such as a lottery team trying to get to the playin, or perhaps a playin team trying to get a better seed. Expecting a player like Hayes to change his game…acquiring him with hope that his contributions would be a bonus is ok…but counting on a player to have to improve to the point where he would have to be a different player as much as Hayes would need to improve isn’t something a team gambles on with with championship aspirations. |
Eh. The pressure of being a lottery pick is now off as he is a minimum deal player. On the Pels, they were hoping he was a foundational player for the team, which obviously he was not.
On this team, he has a more limited set of duties and expectations and I think he can meet those. Compare him to what we were using last year (undersized Wenyen) or an oft injured Mo who had not motor? |
| pio2u wrote: | What should Lakers fans expect from Jaxson Hayes?
| Quote: | Jaxson Hayes’ tenure was a mixed bag throughout his four years in New Orleans.
His length and athleticism are first-class, as evidenced by a mountain of highlight dunks, defensive plays and soaring rebounds.
His fundamentals, understanding of the game and motor though — while all improved since his rookie season — still lack that desired consistency. |
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2023/7/8/23787528/nba-free-agency-lakers-sign-jaxson-hayes-analysis-pelicans |
The lack of motor has been used to describe them both.
The difference in MoBa and Hayes is that MoBa has shown the production in the past whereas Hayes hasn’t. MoBa needs to show he can do it again but Hayes has to do something he has not shown he can do. Perhaps he can. Let’s hope so.
Hoping for the past production to return for MoBa and hoping for the future production to emerge for Hayes would have been a decent gamble if we had them both. Gambling on either one of them by themself shows imo a lack of commitment to a ship run or lack of understanding of a roster construction needed for such. |
You really have to let this one go. It's not like teams went crazy to get Mo Bamba. He is what he is. A huge center who doesn't like running or mixing it up inside, and one who just shoots jumpers. Lakers must have seen something in Hayes as he was a pretty quick signing.
I disagree about the comparison of their respective motors. Hayes is much more of a rim running/vertical lob threat than Mo.
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I think he has a shot to be a good backup, play 10-15 minutes a night, and get a lot of easy looks at the dunker spot. Yeah, he has a checkered past and hasn't made the most of his talent. But the Lakers have had a good track record with guys from Ron Artest to Malik Monk.
For me, the biggest concern will be if he will put in the effort on the defensive end, not just try to block shots. If he won't put in the defensive effort, Ham is not going to play him.
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