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 Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 5:29 pm Post subject: NBA IN-SEASON TOURNAMENT |
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| Quote: | 2023 In-Season Tournament: Results of group drawing
The inaugural tournament will tip off Nov. 3 & culminate with the championship on Dec. 9.
Official release
July 8, 2023 4:42 PM
In-Season Tournament Group Play
All 30 teams have been randomly drawn into groups of five within their conference based on won-loss records from the 2022-23 regular season for the 2023 NBA In-Season Tournament. Each team will play four designated Group Play games – one game against each opponent in its group, with two games at home and two on the road.
The results of the drawing and the groups for the In-Season Tournament are as follows:
Western Conference
West Group A
• Memphis Grizzlies
• Phoenix Suns
• L.A. Lakers
• Utah Jazz
• Portland Trail Blazers
West Group B
• Denver Nuggets
• LA Clippers
• New Orleans Pelicans
• Dallas Mavericks
• Houston Rockets
West Group C
• Sacramento Kings
• Golden State Warriors
• Minnesota Timberwolves
• Oklahoma City Thunder
• San Antonio Spurs
https://www.nba.com/news/2023-in-season-tournament-group-play
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And they are really working hard to sell this thing too. As I was getting ready to leave the house the special with Richard Jefferson and Malika Andrews was coming on where they were trying to hype this tournament up and explain it how it was going to work and this and that.
But previous to that earlier this afternoon I just happen to catch this random interview with Steph Curry - mostly talking about this golf charity thing he has going - but they did ask him about that in-play tournaments and the man could barely play off his lack of enthusiasm. Basically he was like "as long as they don't tack on extra games and it doesn't become a distraction to the point of the season I guess it's OK " LOL. So if that's how one of the top stars in the league is feeling about it, it will be interesting to see how it plays out to say the least. Like folks have championships to try to win. How does anyone have time to worry about this? |
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I know the league is excited about this and maybe it will be a big success but I can’t emphasize enough how little I care about this.
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I have not researched the rules of the tournament.
I get the basic idea of the groups playing each other in-season. But after they establish the last few teams, are they still just designated games within the seasons schedule.
And most importantly, what is the point? What does the Champion of the In-season tournament win? |
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Basketball players are intensely competitive people. When the time comes to play knockout games on TV, they’ll be up for it.
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So 2 teams play an extra non-counting championship game.
It's can mess up the number of times you have to play a team. It could* mean having to play Denver and Phoenix 5 times each in games that count while a playoff seeding competitor like Dallas may only play them 3.
* Yes, I know we would have to have them on the schedule for 4 already and meet each of them in the early rounds. |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Basketball players are intensely competitive people. When the time comes to play knockout games on TV, they’ll be up for it. |
These same professionals treat the All-Star Game--another championship--in a less than completely serious fashion. Will the winner be able to put up a banner? Will the other teams mock the teams that put up the banners for champions of the mid-season tournaments? To me, it could go either way.
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| Annihilator wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Basketball players are intensely competitive people. When the time comes to play knockout games on TV, they’ll be up for it. |
These same professionals treat the All-Star Game--another championship--in a less than completely serious fashion. Will the winner be able to put up a banner? Will the other teams mock the teams that put up the banners for champions of the mid-season tournaments? To me, it could go either way. |
Pretty much determined by the fans. If we value it as a whole, it becomes something worth winning. If we don't care, it becomes something to mock. |
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I bet you so much the best players will be resting or taking it easy during this tournament if it doesn't count for anything. Imagine a player getting hurt and derailing their teams' playoff hopes. I get the idea of play-ins, but this is too much and unnecessary.
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| LakersRGolden wrote: | | Annihilator wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Basketball players are intensely competitive people. When the time comes to play knockout games on TV, they’ll be up for it. |
These same professionals treat the All-Star Game--another championship--in a less than completely serious fashion. Will the winner be able to put up a banner? Will the other teams mock the teams that put up the banners for champions of the mid-season tournaments? To me, it could go either way. |
Pretty much determined by the fans. If we value it as a whole, it becomes something worth winning. If we don't care, it becomes something to mock. |
Another issue is that the season appears to be starting and ending around the same dates. So, the teams that don't go to this championship have a week off during the season. Essentially, teams will be playing their 82 game schedules with one week less to do it in. Players are going to be tired. Perhaps there will be more injuries. I expect players to need more games off. This will be especially true of the teams that are in the mid-season playoff. The winners of the mid-season playoffs may very well be the teams that sit home and rest the players.
| Denny_Russo wrote: | | I bet you so much the best players will be resting or taking it easy during this tournament if it doesn't count for anything. Imagine a player getting hurt and derailing their teams' playoff hopes. I get the idea of play-ins, but this is too much and unnecessary. |
Saw this after I submitted my rant. I think this is very reasonable.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Denny_Russo wrote: | | I bet you so much the best players will be resting or taking it easy during this tournament if it doesn't count for anything. Imagine a player getting hurt and derailing their teams' playoff hopes. I get the idea of play-ins, but this is too much and unnecessary. |
If there was ever an excuse for players to sit out games for "load management," maybe this midseason "tournament" would be it.
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| ocho wrote: | | I know the league is excited about this and maybe it will be a big success but I can’t emphasize enough how little I care about this. |
It is just ridiculous.
Not sure why Silver has his panties in a bunch about this, he thinks it is Euro Soccer errr Football.
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| So the team who wins gets money. Does that money go with spending on a free agent? |
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I think it’s actually an incredibly good idea.
I have been a regular viewer of First take and then Undisputed over the last 10-12 years, and it’s a very popular opinion to hear these analysts say, “I start watching the NBA on Christmas Day…Christmas Day is the unofficial start of the NBA season. If this tournament can bring more importance the the pre-Christmas portion of the schedule it will be extremely impactful.
I didn’t watch the special but from what I have heard previously, there are no extra games until the final. It’s simply regular season games being designated as “cup games”. So just 2 or 4 teams play 83 or 84 games. The rest of the “tournament” games are part of the regular season. |
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | I think it’s actually an incredibly good idea.
I have been a regular viewer of First take and then Undisputed over the last 10-12 years, and it’s a very popular opinion to hear these analysts say, “I start watching the NBA on Christmas Day…Christmas Day is the unofficial start of the NBA season. If this tournament can bring more importance the the pre-Christmas portion of the schedule it will be extremely impactful.
I didn’t watch the special but from what I have heard previously, there are no extra games until the final. It’s simply regular season games being designated as “cup games”. So just 2 or 4 teams play 83 or 84 games. The rest of the “tournament” games are part of the regular season. |
That’s fine in theory, but it also assumes that players, coaches, and fans will be invested in winning this tournament that has no real prize or meaning. That’s the hill they have to climb. I don’t see why teams will feel any differently about these games just because the league is draping tinsel on them.
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| it'd be annoying if the celtics win the first one, lol |
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| ocho wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | I think it’s actually an incredibly good idea.
I have been a regular viewer of First take and then Undisputed over the last 10-12 years, and it’s a very popular opinion to hear these analysts say, “I start watching the NBA on Christmas Day…Christmas Day is the unofficial start of the NBA season. If this tournament can bring more importance the the pre-Christmas portion of the schedule it will be extremely impactful.
I didn’t watch the special but from what I have heard previously, there are no extra games until the final. It’s simply regular season games being designated as “cup games”. So just 2 or 4 teams play 83 or 84 games. The rest of the “tournament” games are part of the regular season. |
That’s fine in theory, but it also assumes that players, coaches, and fans will be invested in winning this tournament that has no real prize or meaning. That’s the hill they have to climb. I don’t see why teams will feel any differently about these games just because the league is draping tinsel on them. |
I think for the teams and us die-hard NBA fans, early season games are still really important. Teams try hard and fans root hard, but as a back-up, just in case we fail in the early season we tell ourselves it just November. But I think teams are trying early and die hard fans are caring early in the season.
Teams and players probably won’t care so much about the knock out games, especially contenders, but they can still be marketed and try to increase viewership of the casual fan. The overwhelming majority of NBA viewers are casual fans. The die-hards are just a small percentage. |
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| lakersfan32 wrote: | | it'd be annoying if the celtics win the first one, lol |
I'll bet you the Clippers will probably win the first one, can't wait to see them raising a banner for the Mid Season Champion, and Balmer will probably have Championship rings made for the team 
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | I think it’s actually an incredibly good idea.
I have been a regular viewer of First take and then Undisputed over the last 10-12 years, and it’s a very popular opinion to hear these analysts say, “I start watching the NBA on Christmas Day…Christmas Day is the unofficial start of the NBA season. If this tournament can bring more importance the the pre-Christmas portion of the schedule it will be extremely impactful.
I didn’t watch the special but from what I have heard previously, there are no extra games until the final. It’s simply regular season games being designated as “cup games”. So just 2 or 4 teams play 83 or 84 games. The rest of the “tournament” games are part of the regular season. |
That’s fine in theory, but it also assumes that players, coaches, and fans will be invested in winning this tournament that has no real prize or meaning. That’s the hill they have to climb. I don’t see why teams will feel any differently about these games just because the league is draping tinsel on them. |
I think for the teams and us die-hard NBA fans, early season games are still really important. Teams try hard and fans root hard, but as a back-up, just in case we fail in the early season we tell ourselves it just November. But I think teams are trying early and die hard fans are caring early in the season.
Teams and players probably won’t care so much about the knock out games, especially contenders, but they can still be marketed and try to increase viewership of the casual fan. The overwhelming majority of NBA viewers are casual fans. The die-hards are just a small percentage. |
See I think the casual NBA fan is going to find this confusing and weird and probably ignore it. The die hards might get into it, but they simply haven’t given us a reason to care about. I don’t care if the players are $500k richer after this and that’s the only stakes the thing has. It’s a marketing gimmick meant to drum up interest in November games. Personally if any team cares that much about winning that trophy I find it a little embarrassing.
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| ocho wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | I think it’s actually an incredibly good idea.
I have been a regular viewer of First take and then Undisputed over the last 10-12 years, and it’s a very popular opinion to hear these analysts say, “I start watching the NBA on Christmas Day…Christmas Day is the unofficial start of the NBA season. If this tournament can bring more importance the the pre-Christmas portion of the schedule it will be extremely impactful.
I didn’t watch the special but from what I have heard previously, there are no extra games until the final. It’s simply regular season games being designated as “cup games”. So just 2 or 4 teams play 83 or 84 games. The rest of the “tournament” games are part of the regular season. |
That’s fine in theory, but it also assumes that players, coaches, and fans will be invested in winning this tournament that has no real prize or meaning. That’s the hill they have to climb. I don’t see why teams will feel any differently about these games just because the league is draping tinsel on them. |
I think for the teams and us die-hard NBA fans, early season games are still really important. Teams try hard and fans root hard, but as a back-up, just in case we fail in the early season we tell ourselves it just November. But I think teams are trying early and die hard fans are caring early in the season.
Teams and players probably won’t care so much about the knock out games, especially contenders, but they can still be marketed and try to increase viewership of the casual fan. The overwhelming majority of NBA viewers are casual fans. The die-hards are just a small percentage. |
See I think the casual NBA fan is going to find this confusing and weird and probably ignore it. The die hards might get into it, but they simply haven’t given us a reason to care about. I don’t care if the players are $500k richer after this and that’s the only stakes the thing has. It’s a marketing gimmick meant to drum up interest in November games. Personally if any team cares that much about winning that trophy I find it a little embarrassing. |
As a die hard fan last season, when we had no in season tournament, I was on the edge of my seat watching all the early season games when we started 0 and 5. I was at Crypto when we beat Denver and went 1-5. And I was watching all the following games from the edge my seat. Often watching or listening to the pregame show and post game show in addition to weekday sports talk shows. This tournament will not cause me to watch more games as I already watch them all.
Sure the first couple years could confuse casual fans, but this is a long term plan not an immediate one. If the NBA can advertise “if team B can go 2-1 in the next 3 games they will make the knock out round” it will make those early season games much more important. Then there are those NBA teams like the clippers who can never win a championship, a mid season tournament at least gives their fan base hope. I mean, some teams even hang summer league trophies because it’s all they can win. So lesser teams fans could really catch on.
And in the end it comes down to competitive and entertaining games. Players making more money doesn’t effect my viewing pleasure, but hopefully these 4 extra games can be competitive and provide entertainment value |
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| slavavov wrote: | | Denny_Russo wrote: | | I bet you so much the best players will be resting or taking it easy during this tournament if it doesn't count for anything. Imagine a player getting hurt and derailing their teams' playoff hopes. I get the idea of play-ins, but this is too much and unnecessary. |
If there was ever an excuse for players to sit out games for "load management," maybe this midseason "tournament" would be it. |
Games still count towards the regular season record. |
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| Quote: | | If the NBA can advertise “if team B can go 2-1 in the next 3 games they will make the knock out round” it will make those early season games much more important. |
Why? Why are those games important? To get a shot at earning a trophy that has no meaning? The fundamental problem of this thing is it doesn’t mean anything. The biggest stakes we are playing for is the players get an extra $500k. Just because the NBA is trying to market that this will magically make these games matter more there’s nothing actually there to make it matter more.
| Quote: | Then there are those NBA teams like the clippers who can never win a championship, a mid season tournament at least gives their fan base hope. I mean, some teams even hang summer league trophies because it’s all they can win. So lesser teams fans could really catch on.
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You’ve made the case for this being The Loser Bowl. I agree. Remember when the TWolves won the play in and acted like they won the Finals? It was embarrassing. Now consider that win actually mattered. They made the playoffs as a result. This means far less. Imagine if, as you say, the Clippers win the tournament this year. I imagine they’d celebrate it. How embarrassing would that be?
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The thing that Silver doesn't get about this, why it means so much in soccer is that the other teams are coming from all over the world. You'll have the best teams of the top leagues all compete in one tournament.
This is just making a few RS games more meaningful/competitive. But there's no way say a team who wants to win a title in June is going to risk the health of their players to win this "cup".
They'll treat it as a more competitive RS game.
I highly doubt any team that wants to be a post season contender is taking this cup seriously. Then when you talk about 1 offs to decide a cup, you're definitely ignoring injuries. The team that wins this, really it provides zero clarity on the acheivement.
The soccer system for these cups, there's a home/away concept, there's also a concept of involving the best teams from all over the world into it, not just the same league. This is more like a FA cup in EPL soccer. |
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