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Kblo247!
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Heard that hat the 1st tie breaker is point differential not head to head. If that is so the Lakers are +20ish points ahead of the Jazz. That should mean the Lakers are most likely close to a lock on the group win. |
Yeah they said that during the game. LA would have to get blown out to high hell |
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| Kblo247! wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Heard that hat the 1st tie breaker is point differential not head to head. If that is so the Lakers are +20ish points ahead of the Jazz. That should mean the Lakers are most likely close to a lock on the group win. |
Yeah they said that during the game. LA would have to get blown out to high hell |
From nba.com:
Ties within the group will be broken according to the following tiebreakers (in sequential order):
1. Head-to-head record in the Group Stage;
2. Point differential in the Group Stage;
3. Total points scored in the Group Stage;
4. Regular season record from the 2022-23
5. Random drawing
Ties for the wild-card spots will begin at item 2, which is point differential since they do not play eachother.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:36 am Post subject: |
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Heard that hat the 1st tie breaker is point differential not head to head. If that is so the Lakers are +20ish points ahead of the Jazz. That should mean the Lakers are most likely close to a lock on the group win. |
Yeah they said that during the game. LA would have to get blown out to high hell |
From nba.com:
Ties within the group will be broken according to the following tiebreakers (in sequential order):
1. Head-to-head record in the Group Stage;
2. Point differential in the Group Stage;
3. Total points scored in the Group Stage;
4. Regular season record from the 2022-23
5. Random drawing
Ties for the wild-card spots will begin at item 2, which is point differential since they do not play eachother.
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Ahhhh, got it! Thanks! The Lakers aren’t close to a lock for the group win. They still need to beat Utah Tues for that group 1st place finish. They are leading the West in point differential by far tho and since they are undefeated, they are ahead for the wild card entry into the knock out round. I guess the announcers meant that the point differential is the 1st tie breaker for the wild card since it should always be implied that head to head in qualifying games is the first tie breaker overall. I should have recognized that, wishful thinking blinded me 😂
Still no excuses, should have known better and/or checked it out myself, I appreciate the info!
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I guess he can win the mvp and put his stamp on it as the first ever. will people still care about this tournament in 5 or 10 years? Doubt it.
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They vote for an MVP of this now?  . |
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| JUST-MING wrote: | | They vote for an MVP of this now? . |
All about the money
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| strong9 wrote: | | JUST-MING wrote: | | They vote for an MVP of this now? . |
All about the money |
Ratings are up for the group play games. Let’s see how the Vegas games do. The new TV contract is coming up. They can carve out the tournament games and sell them as a package to apple or Amazon. It all leads to increase in the salary cap. |
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NBA In-Season Tournament: What’s at stake this week
Breaking down the latest results and what to know as Group Play continues Tuesday and Friday.
| Quote: | *Game of the week
Utah at L.A. Lakers, Tuesday (10 ET, TNT)
History is on the line, as the Lakers attempt to become the first In-Season Tournament team to go undefeated through Group Play. OK, that probably should be history with a lower-case “h,”
but still … LeBron James and his mates have put themselves in a great position to head to Las Vegas and, in fact, get there as NBA Cup favorites.
They’ve got the Jazz in L.A., first of all. Even though Utah is 2-1 in the Tournament, it is 4-9 overall to the Lakers’ 8-6.
The Lakers have the biggest point-differential advantage (+42), so even if the Jazz (+19) beat them to pull even at 3-1, they need to win by at least 23 to catch up in the first tiebreaker.
And Tuesday is the In-Season Tournament Group Play finale for both, among the earliest finishers, allowing maximum rest and relaxation before the Knockout Rounds begin on Dec. 4.
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| Hammett wrote: | | I guess he can win the mvp and put his stamp on it as the first ever. will people still care about this tournament in 5 or 10 years? Doubt it. |
Do people care now?
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Hammett wrote: | | I guess he can win the mvp and put his stamp on it as the first ever. will people still care about this tournament in 5 or 10 years? Doubt it. |
Do people care now? |
its W's. so yes.
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| Halflife wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Hammett wrote: | | I guess he can win the mvp and put his stamp on it as the first ever. will people still care about this tournament in 5 or 10 years? Doubt it. |
Do people care now? |
its W's. so yes. |
I see a lot of potential for the in-season tournament but I don’t see it gaining traction in its current form.
Suggestion:
The current season is about 14 games in. To get where we are now start the in-season tournament at the start of the season and let each team only play everyone in their conference for a 14 game stretch. Market it as a show of which team made the best off-season moves as a preview of potential championship contenders. Take the top 8 in each conference like the playoffs and play single elimination while letting each game count as a reg season game except for the championship like it is now. Use a loser bracket to balance out reg season games for those not advancing.
The in-season tournament could then be sold as a preview of the playoffs and NBA Finals based on the off season signings. Teams could make moves at the trade deadline to adjust.
I’m really turned off by quasi made up groups not aligning to divisions and games played during the tournament between tournaments games that don’t count as tournament games. The suggestion fixes all of that and has more of a marketing interest to draw in fans, plus it would run through the start of the season until early Dec to generate interest during that entire time.
Wondering which teams made the right moves in the off season? Tune in to the NBA In-Season Tournament and NBA In-Season Playoffs to find out!
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No surprise, I don't like it.
I was also against the 3 Pt Shot coming into the NBA back in the day.
And stay off my lawn!
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Hammett wrote: | | I guess he can win the mvp and put his stamp on it as the first ever. will people still care about this tournament in 5 or 10 years? Doubt it. |
Do people care now? |
its W's. so yes. |
I see a lot of potential for the in-season tournament but I don’t see it gaining traction in its current form.
Suggestion:
The current season is about 14 games in. To get where we are now start the in-season tournament at the start of the season and let each team only play everyone in their conference for a 14 game stretch. Market it as a show of which team made the best off-season moves as a preview of potential championship contenders. Take the top 8 in each conference like the playoffs and play single elimination while letting each game count as a reg season game except for the championship like it is now. Use a loser bracket to balance out reg season games for those not advancing.
The in-season tournament could then be sold as a preview of the playoffs and NBA Finals based on the off season signings. Teams could make moves at the trade deadline to adjust.
I’m really turned off by quasi made up groups not aligning to divisions and games played during the tournament between tournaments games that don’t count as tournament games. The suggestion fixes all of that and has more of a marketing interest to draw in fans, plus it would run through the start of the season until early Dec to generate interest during that entire time.
Wondering which teams made the right moves in the off season? Tune in to the NBA In-Season Tournament and NBA In-Season Playoffs to find out! |
Alsonthe reward should be more enticing, like the champ could have an advantage in a tie-breaker scenario for the playoffs spot |
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| Wow, undefeated in group play. A feat that has never been done before. Let’s go lakers. |
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| Quote: | Any of these 7 teams could be the Wild Card, and head to L.A. for the quarterfinal:
NOP (2-1) +23 (at LAC)
SAC (2-0) +16 (at MIN, vs. GSW)
PHX (2-1): +13 (at MEM)
MIN (2-0) +10 (vs. SAC, vs. OKC)
DEN (2-1) +9 (at HOU)
GSW (1-1) -1 (vs. SAS, at SAC)
HOU (1-1) -3 (vs. DEN, at DAL) |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Halflife wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Hammett wrote: | | I guess he can win the mvp and put his stamp on it as the first ever. will people still care about this tournament in 5 or 10 years? Doubt it. |
Do people care now? |
its W's. so yes. |
Not particularly but if it has to happen we might as well win it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ You know who DOES care? LeBron James. It hasn't matter what the injury report said or what he said post game about not feeling well or this or that… he hasn't missed one of these games yet
Either way these are regular season games so I'm glad we just are having a pretty good start to our regular season. 
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For me, the problem is that this tournament started WAY TOO EARLY for it to matter or have much significance. This is something that should have started later, and end RIGHT AT THE beginning of all star break.
Make the final game of the mid season tournament the last game of the first half of the season. And honestly, make it a guarantee that the team makes the playoffs if they win. That way, their is actually something to play for besides money.
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| Megaton wrote: | For me, the problem is that this tournament started WAY TOO EARLY for it to matter or have much significance. This is something that should have started later, and end RIGHT AT THE beginning of all star break.
Make the final game of the mid season tournament the last game of the first half of the season. And honestly, make it a guarantee that the team makes the playoffs if they win. That way, their is actually something to play for besides money. |
I thought I would hate it but it does make the RS games more enjoyable/meaningful.
I do think your idea of it happening later would make more sense….ending at AS break…
In fact, since AS is pretty boring, maybe hold the tournament championship as a feature the night before. Call it the MEGABOWL!!!! 🤪 |
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So are we a good team!? I stopped watching after 5-6 games out of anger and now we are winning lol
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| Megaton wrote: | For me, the problem is that this tournament started WAY TOO EARLY for it to matter or have much significance. This is something that should have started later, and end RIGHT AT THE beginning of all star break.
Make the final game of the mid season tournament the last game of the first half of the season. And honestly, make it a guarantee that the team makes the playoffs if they win. That way, their is actually something to play for besides money. |
Your idea sounds cool and I don’t necessarily disagree.
But I think the point of the current set up is to add some meaning and stakes to games before the trade deadline and during football season.
With that intention I think the NBA did a good job |
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