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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | | Back to Denver, or any team that has that big guy in the middle + some talented perimeter players combo, we will seem to struggle more with that match up than say the match ups we had with Grizz/Warriors. This is something we will need to address eventually. |
Training camps open in about three weeks. At this stage, I have less of a feel for this roster than I have in most recent years. We have a number of wild cards in key positions, including Wood, Hayes, Vincent, and Christie. I also have less of a feel for the Western Conference than I have in most recent years. A lot of people here are fixated on the Nuggets, which is totally understandable. However, it is possible that the Suns are the team that we really need to worry about. The Warriors may be poised for one last big run. And then there are dark horses like OKC, Memphis, New Orleans, and possible Minnesota. All of those teams present different types of matchup issues. It's not all about Jokic.
We're at the point in the offseason where some people inevitably start talking about how deep we are. This claim is more credible than it has been in recent years. I am concerned about the lack of depth at guard and our vulnerability to injury at that position. We could easily wind up needing to play JHS, who does not look ready, or Reddish, who isn't a guard. Otherwise, this roster has a lot more options to deal with matchup issues than was true for the last few years. We may not have anyone to match up with Jokic (who does?), but we shouldn't be forced to play small ball as much as we were last year.
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I'm convinced Christian will be the starting center.
Anthony not wanting to play center. Likely agreement before re-signing long term (also more forward spots for all-nba team, given Jokic and Embiid have center on lock). Darvin history with Christian in Milwaukee. Likely agreement about the starting job before signing a minimum contract.
On the bright side, Christian is an 18/8 all-star caliber player, can block shots, that's pretty much a Brook Lopez. |
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For those wondering on McNenamin’s recent commentary towards AD’s extension and the Wood pickup…
http://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/38354831
Yeah, I call 🧢 on that…I still don’t cee it as helping out AD at all, especially to have him move down to the 4. It will do wonders for Wood tho, cause he hasn't ever played with a defensive dynamo like AD. The only thing that could help is if dude takes the scoring load off AD, so all Browdie has to do is focus on D.
But dude had to secure the bag, so I see the reasoning in accepting the extension right out the gate. Still, I would have liked for AD to hold the FO a bit accountable and cee if they did come correct for him, before he inked the deal. Oh well, hoping for the best…
Live look at certain folks coming for my head every time I let the car out the bag with my FO critiques 😜
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Congrats Schrödinger & other former Lakers like Bonga & Mo.
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| Quote: | Stress fractures and other bony stress injuries occur along a spectrum of severity which can impact treatment and prognosis. When treating these injuries, it should be borne in mind that no two stress fractures behave exactly alike. Given that they are not a consistent injury, standardized treatment protocols can be challenging to develop. Treatment should be individualized to the patient or athlete, the causative activity, the anatomical site, and the severity of the injury. A holistic approach to the treatment of the most difficult stress fractures should be taken by orthopedists and sports medicine specialists. This approach is necessary to obtain optimal outcomes, minimize loss of fitness and time away from sports participation, and decrease the risk of recurrence.
A variety of biological and mechanical factors are thought to influence the body’s ability to remodel bone and therefore impact an individual’s risk for developing a stress fracture. These include but are not limited to sex, age, race, hormonal status, nutrition, neuromuscular function, and genetic factors [6]. Other predisposing factors to consider include abnormal bony alignment, improper technique/biomechanics, poor running form, poor blood supply to specific bones, improper or worn-out footwear, and hard training surfaces. It is important to remember that the cause of stress fractures is multifactorial, and the list of differential diagnoses is extensive.
Some stress fractures are affected by delayed or non-union because of insufficient blood supply to the region (Table 2). Proximal fifth metatarsal and tarsal navicular fractures are particularly difficult to heal because they occur within the vascular “watershed” region.
The immediate goal of treatment of a high-risk stress fracture is to avoid progression and achieve complete healing [19]. Ideally, as the fracture is healing, the athlete may work to avoid deconditioning while minimizing the risk of a significant complication of fracture healing [4, 7, 17, 23]. While over-treatment of a low-risk stress fracture may result in unnecessary deconditioning and loss of playing time, under-treatment of a high-risk injury puts the athlete at risk of significant complications such as delayed healing, incomplete healing, and refracture [21, 22]. In this case, relative rest may be achieved with alternative training options such as aquatic training which may include an aquatic treadmill or suspended treadmill training.
Because of the significant complications associated with progression to complete fracture, it is not recommended that an individual be allowed to continue to participate in their activity with evidence of a high-risk stress fracture [7, 21, 23].
A key difference between a low-grade stress fracture at a high-risk location versus a low-risk location is that with the low-risk site, the athlete or patient can be allowed to continue to train, whereas the high-risk site needs to heal prior to full return to activity [3, 4, 17].
Recently, dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry (iDEXA) has been suggested to assure optimal lean to non-lean mass has been established and is currently under investigation to determine its ability to decrease future stress fracture risk. Training progression includes resistance training to optimize muscle mass along with the use of low-impact training options. Stationary biking, elliptical trainer, aquatic treadmill (Fig. 7), and suspended treadmill (Alter G) are utilized to maintain fitness as land running and participation in the causative activity are gradually increased.
Additionally, bone density with body composition evaluation (iDEXA) may be helpful in individuals with recurrent bony stress injuries.
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This not the same as raw weight. Nobody is recommending that AD achieve weight gain by increasing non-lean mass (i.e. eat more to gain fat).
Otherwise, there is no mention of the role of raw weight in secondary prevention. Instead, it implicates the role of adequate rest in between games which explains the decision to have AD sit out back-to-backs.
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There obviously isn’t a one size fits all treatment that could be applied to AD, and likewise not just one factor can be highlighted as the sole contributor to his injury. But imho having a heavier playing weight due to moving up to fulltime center in recent years is something that can’t be completely overlooked or ruled out as a factor in his recent injury, right?
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No it cannot be ruled out but medical research isn't usually designed for that, it's moreso to look for strong associations so that you don't waste effort into weak/non associations while putting people at risk due to side effects/adverse events from your proposed intervention. So when you have multiple studies that do not demonstrate strong association, you're done. I acknowledge that it doesn't necessarily settle your question which some might consider a flaw in my argument.
So then you weigh potential benefit versus potential risk. There is a such thing as a "why not" intervention if it carries no/minimal risk, especially if it involves minimal cost. However, there is a strong association that has been established with navicular stress injuries and increased running which AD would probably have to do guarding more out in the perimeter. In ultimately asking him to lose weight so that he can guard wings, you are addressing an unestablished risk factor but increasing another factor with highly established risk.
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Agree to disagree. AD wants to position down and no one knows his body better than he does. It’s probably wise in listening to your franchise player if the plan all along was to ride his career out in LA.
However I can get on the saddle with you on one thing! #GoNiners
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gng930
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | | Back to Denver, or any team that has that big guy in the middle + some talented perimeter players combo, we will seem to struggle more with that match up than say the match ups we had with Grizz/Warriors. This is something we will need to address eventually. |
Training camps open in about three weeks. At this stage, I have less of a feel for this roster than I have in most recent years. We have a number of wild cards in key positions, including Wood, Hayes, Vincent, and Christie. I also have less of a feel for the Western Conference than I have in most recent years. A lot of people here are fixated on the Nuggets, which is totally understandable. However, it is possible that the Suns are the team that we really need to worry about. The Warriors may be poised for one last big run. And then there are dark horses like OKC, Memphis, New Orleans, and possible Minnesota. All of those teams present different types of matchup issues. It's not all about Jokic.
We're at the point in the offseason where some people inevitably start talking about how deep we are. This claim is more credible than it has been in recent years. I am concerned about the lack of depth at guard and our vulnerability to injury at that position. We could easily wind up needing to play JHS, who does not look ready, or Reddish, who isn't a guard. Otherwise, this roster has a lot more options to deal with matchup issues than was true for the last few years. We may not have anyone to match up with Jokic (who does?), but we shouldn't be forced to play small ball as much as we were last year. |
Sometimes it just comes down to luck too. Before the championship season it was evident we were lacking wings and short of asking Lebron to activate beast defender mode, it was highlighted every time we faced an alpha 3&D wing. We were lucky that didn't come up in the playoffs when Kawahi, Tatum, and George were eliminated by other teams. So in that sense, I see a pathway to a championship, for instance, if the Warriors eliminate the Nugs for us. Embiid is the only big in the East that concerns me and I don't see the Sixers making it through.
The Suns actually remind me of us just two off-seasons ago, a top-heavy roster otherwise dominated by vet-mins. Obviously their big 3 fit better on offense but that usually has diminishing returns and it's easy to overlook they are an awkward fit on defense. I think they'll need to get quality role players back for Ayton and his value isn't at an all-time high right now. It won't help that I think him and Vogel, being a defensive-minded coach, will clash.
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| vasashi17+ wrote: | Agree to disagree. AD wants to position down and no one knows his body better than he does. It’s probably wise in listening to your franchise player if the plan all along was to ride his career out in LA.
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Yikes...definitely agree to disagree. You hire a medical and training staff for a reason.
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^Nikes…so you walking in dude’s shoes now, huh? Is your mutant power the ability to gauge an individual’s pain tolerance?
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You don't hire medical and training staff just to be his yes-men. Dude also has one of the worst diets rumored in the NBA. If you asked him 10 years ago, he would've told you that his body likes pizza.
https://www.slamonline.com/archives/anthony-davis-is-obessed-with-eating-pizza/
And nobody is reading his mind when it comes to pain tolerance, you ask and adjust accordingly.
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| Quote: | | Sometimes it just comes down to luck too. Before the championship season it was evident we were lacking wings and short of asking Lebron to activate beast defender mode, it was highlighted every time we faced an alpha 3&D wing. |
We did beat the Clippers with Kawhi and Bucks with Gianis right before Covid began. We were the #1 team in the West all year. It wasn't luck, IMO. It was a team getting better and better. Yep did peak at the right time while others faltered (bubble time) but that happens every year when a team wins a title, a lot of that is getting right at the right time. This past year we end up peaking and putting a team together at the right time while everyone else seemed to falter.
What I'm saying is that I think this particular team is built to withstand AD/Bron injuries. That above winning a title was the goal. To be able to get into the playoffs and then figure it out. I may be wrong about that, but I felt from Jeanie's comments, they were less focused on what would happen in the playoffs and more focused on assuring they at least got in, without having to do a play in dog fight, as has been the case the 3 previous years. It's a respectable POV.
My main concern with this thread is the relevation that AD still wants to play the 4, over the 5. It beats me as to why he keeps pushing for this, and we keep avoid investing in the 5 if this is the case. I know there aren't as many competent starting level 5s as there are 3s/4s. But we want heavy on 3s/4s, and light on the 5. Talking finance. Wood is a quality scorer, but overall there's question marks if he's a starting level 5 (due to defense). Hayes same thing, unproven. The 2020 title team had a proven starter on the Warriors title team (McGee) then their most current starter (Cousins) to then a HOF Center/former MVP level player/DPOTY level center who had something to prove he still had left in the tank (Dwight). Not sure we have invested enough in the 5. We went all out on AD's contract extension. If the dude feels he's a 4, we need to get a legit starting level 5 for him, so there's no concerns and he can go all out. If he's who we feel is our 5, we need to be clear with him. You're our franchise 5, and everyone else is a backup, hence we always use vet mins on our 5s. The lack of clarity on this from both ends is weird. |
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | | Quote: | | Sometimes it just comes down to luck too. Before the championship season it was evident we were lacking wings and short of asking Lebron to activate beast defender mode, it was highlighted every time we faced an alpha 3&D wing. |
We did beat the Clippers with Kawhi and Bucks with Gianis right before Covid began. We were the #1 team in the West all year. It wasn't luck, IMO. It was a team getting better and better. Yep did peak at the right time while others faltered (bubble time) but that happens every year when a team wins a title, a lot of that is getting right at the right time. This past year we end up peaking and putting a team together at the right time while everyone else seemed to falter.
What I'm saying is that I think this particular team is built to withstand AD/Bron injuries. That above winning a title was the goal. To be able to get into the playoffs and then figure it out. I may be wrong about that, but I felt from Jeanie's comments, they were less focused on what would happen in the playoffs and more focused on assuring they at least got in, without having to do a play in dog fight, as has been the case the 3 previous years. It's a respectable POV.
My main concern with this thread is the relevation that AD still wants to play the 4, over the 5. It beats me as to why he keeps pushing for this, and we keep avoid investing in the 5 if this is the case. I know there aren't as many competent starting level 5s as there are 3s/4s. But we want heavy on 3s/4s, and light on the 5. Talking finance. Wood is a quality scorer, but overall there's question marks if he's a starting level 5 (due to defense). Hayes same thing, unproven. The 2020 title team had a proven starter on the Warriors title team (McGee) then their most current starter (Cousins) to then a HOF Center/former MVP level player/DPOTY level center who had something to prove he still had left in the tank (Dwight). Not sure we have invested enough in the 5. We went all out on AD's contract extension. If the dude feels he's a 4, we need to get a legit starting level 5 for him, so there's no concerns and he can go all out. If he's who we feel is our 5, we need to be clear with him. You're our franchise 5, and everyone else is a backup, hence we always use vet mins on our 5s. The lack of clarity on this from both ends is weird. |
I didn't mean to overplay luck as a factor, just that it is. We could hyper-focus on stopping Jokic only for another team or injuries to knock them out. And then you ask yourself what you gave up in the process and how it factors in against other matchups.
I totally agree we're better equipped for the regular season. That was always the point of the Russ trade. They just realized a better way to do it. As that 2020-2021 squad showed you can put yourself in position to win a lot regular season games through defensive hustle and grit. What it also uncovered is that you still need scoring and playmaking on many nights. I love what Dennis did for us but he was, and still is, largely inconsistent in both roles. Who else on that squad was going to give you that. Between Austin, DLO, Rui, and Wood we're much better equipped. I also have a bit more faith in Gabe than you do. And we managed to do it without destroying our depth or defensive potential.
I'm less concerned with AD's insistence (as V will tell you). I see it more as healthy dialogue. You're not going to get that many grown men on the same page with every single issue. You reiterate that there weren't any great options available for what you could give and that you'll keep looking.
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| JUST-MING wrote: | I'm convinced Christian will be the starting center.
Anthony not wanting to play center. Likely agreement before re-signing long term (also more forward spots for all-nba team, given Jokic and Embiid have center on lock). Darvin history with Christian in Milwaukee. Likely agreement about the starting job before signing a minimum contract.
On the bright side, Christian is an 18/8 all-star caliber player, can block shots, that's pretty much a Brook Lopez. |
Are you being sarcastic comparing him to Brooke? Brooke is an elite defender. It will be a recipe for disaster to have Wood at the 5 against starting centers. |
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| JUST-MING wrote: | I'm convinced Christian will be the starting center.
Anthony not wanting to play center. Likely agreement before re-signing long term (also more forward spots for all-nba team, given Jokic and Embiid have center on lock). Darvin history with Christian in Milwaukee. Likely agreement about the starting job before signing a minimum contract.
On the bright side, Christian is an 18/8 all-star caliber player, can block shots, that's pretty much a Brook Lopez. |
So we aren’t going to start out with an optimal defensive effort? Hopefully not, hopefully they replace Wood as a starter with someone who can actually guard wing players.
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Will the 7' Hayes or the 6'9" Wood will eventually be the best solution/option to be the starting center? Will Ham forcus first on the center to provide defense (Hayes) or offense (Wood).
Given Wood's deficiencies on defense, which defenders would be best to put on the court with Wood - Vincent over DLo, LBJ, AD and/or Vanderbilt (since he is better on defense, despite being awful on offense) over Rui (who is a better overall player). |
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Will the 7' Hayes or the 6'9" Wood will eventually be the best solution/option to be the starting center? Will Ham forcus first on the center to provide defense (Hayes) or offense (Wood).
Given Wood's deficiencies on defense, which defenders would be best to put on the court with Wood - Vincent over DLo, LBJ, AD and/or Vanderbilt (since he is better on defense, despite being awful on offense) over Rui (who is a better overall player). |
Christian Wood is the exact same height as Anthony Davis, with and without shoes.
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Wood is actually the same height as Myles Turner and Anthony Davis.
6' 9.5" barefoot. this makes him 6'10.5" with shoes
Wood, Myles Turner, Anthony Davis, and Thomas Bryant all about the same height with a 9'4" standing reach
AD is the fastest with the highest 34 inch vertical leap
Myles probably the second most athletic.
Wood is probably #3. nice bounce for a 6'10 guy
https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro?SeasonYear=2015-16&dir=D&sort=STANDING_REACH
| Dr. Laker wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Will the 7' Hayes or the 6'9" Wood will eventually be the best solution/option to be the starting center? Will Ham forcus first on the center to provide defense (Hayes) or offense (Wood).
Given Wood's deficiencies on defense, which defenders would be best to put on the court with Wood - Vincent over DLo, LBJ, AD and/or Vanderbilt (since he is better on defense, despite being awful on offense) over Rui (who is a better overall player). |
Christian Wood is the exact same height as Anthony Davis, with and without shoes. |
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Will the 7' Hayes or the 6'9" Wood will eventually be the best solution/option to be the starting center? Will Ham forcus first on the center to provide defense (Hayes) or offense (Wood).
Given Wood's deficiencies on defense, which defenders would be best to put on the court with Wood - Vincent over DLo, LBJ, AD and/or Vanderbilt (since he is better on defense, despite being awful on offense) over Rui (who is a better overall player). |
Christian Wood is the exact same height as Anthony Davis, with and without shoes. |
There's a 1" difference (hahahaha) but Wood is about 40 lbs lighter than AD
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Christian-Wood/Comparison/41451/Anthony-Davis/13305
Hopefully he can be the "Thomas Bryant" factor on offense
AD even outweighs Hayes by 20 lbs - lol
Hopefully he can fulfill the Dwight Howard role of hustling, rim protecting and block shot |
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| gng930 wrote: | You don't hire medical and training staff just to be his yes-men. Dude also has one of the worst diets rumored in the NBA. If you asked him 10 years ago, he would've told you that his body likes pizza.
https://www.slamonline.com/archives/anthony-davis-is-obessed-with-eating-pizza/
And nobody is reading his mind when it comes to pain tolerance, you ask and adjust accordingly.
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So … because a 20 year old rookie trying to gain weight states he “eats pizza” he has one of “ the worst diets in the NBA”?
Curious if you have ever considered his attitude towards diet evolved since 2013. There are numerous articles discussing his diet and workouts for you to Google. He apparently had a major diet transformation in 2015. When he came to the Lakers he consulted with James’ nutritionist.
Just a wild guess, but I’m guessing he has a different outlook on his diet since 2013.
As for this year. Would love to see the Woods and Hayes combo get 30+ mpg at the center position. Even interchangeable twin tower lineups to provide Davis with less priority on screens, blocking out or battling in the paint.
Let the man roam. If Woods can reliably help achieve that, it is a victory for the Lakers |
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You're right it's a bit presumptuous. I could've sworn I heard on one of the more credible podcasts (Locked on Lakers) that AD continues to have a pretty poor diet. There is in fact nothing I could find that implicates one or another at the present time but I wouldn't be surprised either way.
The main point is that AD may not be the best person to decide the best treatment and management plan moving forward for his stress injury.
I don't have a problem with AD playing free safety, effectively more as a 4 on defense. My main contention is having him guard wings full-time because Lebron probably shouldn't/can't be that guy.
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| gng930 wrote: | You're right it's a bit presumptuous. I could've sworn I heard on one of the more credible podcasts (Locked on Lakers) that AD continues to have a pretty poor diet. There is in fact nothing I could find that implicates one or another at the present time but I wouldn't be surprised either way.
The main point is that AD may not be the best person to decide the best treatment and management plan moving forward for his stress injury.
I don't have a problem with AD playing free safety, effectively more as a 4 on defense. My main contention is having him guard wings full-time because Lebron probably shouldn't/can't be that guy. |
I agree. Our perception of what James “full time” may need to change. Especially in the regular season. Seems like a wonderful opportunity to keep James’ mpg significantly down. Guys like Rui, Vanderbilt and Prince rotating in could help keep James under 30mpg. Even better in the 24-26 mpg range.
Or another option would be lineups with Davis on the bench and James playing more if a PF role with Woods or Hayes.
Depth appears to be there to be used. How Ham uses it I’ll be the question. |
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Will the 7' Hayes or the 6'9" Wood will eventually be the best solution/option to be the starting center? Will Ham forcus first on the center to provide defense (Hayes) or offense (Wood).
Given Wood's deficiencies on defense, which defenders would be best to put on the court with Wood - Vincent over DLo, LBJ, AD and/or Vanderbilt (since he is better on defense, despite being awful on offense) over Rui (who is a better overall player). |
Christian Wood is the exact same height as Anthony Davis, with and without shoes. |
There's a 1" difference (hahahaha) but Wood is about 40 lbs lighter than AD
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Christian-Wood/Comparison/41451/Anthony-Davis/13305
Hopefully he can be the "Thomas Bryant" factor on offense
AD even outweighs Hayes by 20 lbs - lol
Hopefully he can fulfill the Dwight Howard role of hustling, rim protecting and block shot |
Wood was 216# at the combine when he was 19, and now they list him at 214#at 27? Methinks they haven't weighed him recently.
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JJin77
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[quote="gng930"] | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | | Back to Denver, or any team that has that big guy in the middle + some talented perimeter players combo, we will seem to struggle more with that match up than say the match ups we had with Grizz/Warriors. This is something we will need to address eventually. |
The Suns actually remind me of us just two off-seasons ago, a top-heavy roster otherwise dominated by vet-mins. Obviously their big 3 fit better on offense but that usually has diminishing returns and it's easy to overlook they are an awkward fit on defense. I think they'll need to get quality role players back for Ayton and his value isn't at an all-time high right now. It won't help that I think him and Vogel, being a defensive-minded coach, will clash. |
I really didn't think that your first sentence made sense at first  and
their bench is much better than our version of vet min gang(or retirement club house) two seasons ago. Matter of the fact, I actually prefer Yuta
Watanabe over Prince for his elite 3pt shooting & consistent defense.
Combination of Yuta, instead of Prince, Vando and Rui complement Lebron &
AD better, plus less log jam at the 4. We even might have gotten him cheaper and/or longer. Eric Gordon at vet min is also very good value.
Other than that, not only I agree that Vogel and Ayton will clash, but Vogel
might clash with the entire make up of the roster. As much as firing of Vogel was unjust, considering misconstruction of roster/lack of talent overall that was given, he really didn't help himself by not being able to adjust to the
personell on the team during that season. Can you honestly picture Vogel doing 180 on his coaching style and having enough offensive coaching chops to maximize multiple offensive talents while put defensive side of the game as
an afterthought? If he tries to catch two rabbit at once, KD/Beal might not
make it to All-star break. I mean don't make mistake. They are a real threat bc of sheer level of talent on their starting unit, but a lot of things have go right for them, just like us. |
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A Mad Chinaman
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[quote="JJin77"] | gng930 wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | | Back to Denver, or any team that has that big guy in the middle + some talented perimeter players combo, we will seem to struggle more with that match up than say the match ups we had with Grizz/Warriors. This is something we will need to address eventually. |
The Suns actually remind me of us just two off-seasons ago, a top-heavy roster otherwise dominated by vet-mins. Obviously their big 3 fit better on offense but that usually has diminishing returns and it's easy to overlook they are an awkward fit on defense. I think they'll need to get quality role players back for Ayton and his value isn't at an all-time high right now. It won't help that I think him and Vogel, being a defensive-minded coach, will clash. |
I really didn't think that your first sentence made sense at first and their bench is much better than our version of vet min gang(or retirement club house) two seasons ago. Matter of the fact, I actually prefer Yuta Watanabe over Prince for his elite 3pt shooting & consistent defense.
Combination of Yuta, instead of Prince, Vando and Rui complement Lebron &
AD better, plus less log jam at the 4. We even might have gotten him cheaper and/or longer. Eric Gordon at vet min is also very good value.
Other than that, not only I agree that Vogel and Ayton will clash, but Vogel
might clash with the entire make up of the roster. As much as firing of Vogel was unjust, considering misconstruction of roster/lack of talent overall that was given, he really didn't help himself by not being able to adjust to the
personell on the team during that season. Can you honestly picture Vogel doing 180 on his coaching style and having enough offensive coaching chops to maximize multiple offensive talents while put defensive side of the game as
an afterthought? If he tries to catch two rabbit at once, KD/Beal might not
make it to All-star break. I mean don't make mistake. They are a real threat bc of sheer level of talent on their starting unit, but a lot of things have go right for them, just like us. |
Which of these coaches will be able to implement Vogel’s defensive schemes? Which of the below-listed coaches will have the cachet to implement the offensive schemes to maximize the talents of their three great players
Frank Vogel, Kevin Young, David Fizdale. Quinton Crawford, Miles Simon, Greg St. Jean, John Lucas III, Dru Anthrop and Jon Pastorek
Will Nuggets be injury free with every team targeting them
How successful will the Suns be w/o a bonefide PG
Can CP3 make the Warriors better
When will Kyrie blowup in Dallas
Ant Man will give the ball to KAT?
Kings won’t sneak by teams this year
Spurs will surprise many teams?
Clippers are the Clippers
What will keep our Lakers focused? |
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vasashi17+
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| Quote: | Buha: The Lakers will use more two-big lineups next season, but that seems more likely to happen against bench units. The challenge for the Lakers’ coaching staff is figuring out the best ways to use Wood and possibly Hayes defensively. They aren’t the same plug-and-play options that JaVale McGee and Dwight Howard were during the championship season (or even Marc Gasol and Andre Drummond, to a lesser extent, during the 2020-21 season).
There are legitimate questions about how Wood and Hayes will fit in the Lakers’ defensive scheme and next to Davis. Both are better at defending on the perimeter and in switching schemes than banging in the post and acting as the last line of defense. If the Lakers continue to just have Davis do those things, then the double-center approach will be somewhat moot. This is one of the bigger storylines to monitor in training camp and the preseason.
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Ya think?! This 5hit makes no 5ense…and it’s cause we wanted to ADdress the i55ue with cent5.
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