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| vasashi17+ wrote: | | Quote: | Buha: The Lakers will use more two-big lineups next season, but that seems more likely to happen against bench units. The challenge for the Lakers’ coaching staff is figuring out the best ways to use Wood and possibly Hayes defensively. They aren’t the same plug-and-play options that JaVale McGee and Dwight Howard were during the championship season (or even Marc Gasol and Andre Drummond, to a lesser extent, during the 2020-21 season).
There are legitimate questions about how Wood and Hayes will fit in the Lakers’ defensive scheme and next to Davis. Both are better at defending on the perimeter and in switching schemes than banging in the post and acting as the last line of defense. If the Lakers continue to just have Davis do those things, then the double-center approach will be somewhat moot. This is one of the bigger storylines to monitor in training camp and the preseason.
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Ya think?! This 5hit makes no 5ense…and it’s cause we wanted to ADdress the i55ue with cent5. |
No doubt; I would've like to see more of a banger at 5 too. When they pursued Hayes they probably didn't anticipate Wood would be available for the minimum.
OTOH, isn't Hayes in the Javale mold? While not a banger in the post, I think he might be an option as that last line of defense but the fit on offense next to AD would be awkward for sure.
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| manlisten wrote: | | joeblow wrote: | | manlisten wrote: | | joeblow wrote: |
We are closer to that than we have been in awhile, but the most important upgrade (a slilled, bulky backup center to face Jokic) is still a potential major issue. |
Who is this elusive Jokic stopper? |
Who mentioned anything about a Jokic stopper? If you're going to cut out 95% of my post, at least include the part that answers your baseless question (emphasis added below):
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So what player did you have in mind to slow down Jokic? Considering guys like AD, Brook Lopez etc haven't had much luck. |
I agree that if someone wants to complain about something they should at least offer an alternative. Before my earlier responses here, I had already posted a thread with a suggestion that I believe would be better than Wood or Biyombo in the area where we are the weakest: a better defensive, physical presence in the paint against centers of size (like Jokic and Embiid).
The Lakers chose not to go that direction obviously, but I still hope someone like that makes their way on our roster by the trade deadline.
| Dr. Laker wrote: | | joeblow wrote: |
So if getting a defensively skilled center with bulk to slow down two-time MVP and reigning NBA champion Jokic was our #1 goal this off season after getting bounced by Denver last post season, the solution we are ending up with is the worst defensive rotation player from the Mavericks?! If it blows up in our faces next season, Pelinka can't claim ignorance as an excuse.
| 2019 wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Is Hayes-Wood-Rui that much worse than Dwight-JaVale-Markieff? |
In terms of size, defense, toughness, experience, physicality.... yes they are miles worse.
I'm still hopeful that with all this depth, Rob will find a way to turn some of it into big man help. |
^^^ This man gets it. Ever since our 2020 championship, I've been a broken record begging for a similar front court of defensive SIZE and skill to be able to do it again while we still have the talents of Lebron and AD.
We are closer to that than we have been in awhile, but the most important upgrade (a slilled, bulky backup center to face Jokic) is still a potential major issue. Hopefully our main strategy to address this problem is not hoping that Nikola comes back complacent, fat and sloppy like Shaq did once he started winning rings. |
On which "defensively skilled C with bulk to slow down 2X MVP" Jokic did we miss out?
BroLo? Joker destroyed Milwaukee in a pair of blowouts last year - and BroLo stayed home over the summer.
Embiid? Not available.
Dwight? Completely washed up.
So to whom are you referring that was able and available this summer? |
See above. Also, based on some recent posts here Buha is basically saying the same thing I am. We need a legit bruiser with size in the paint.
He doesn't have to be all-star material... just big enough and quick enough to slow down Jokic so he doesn't easily push the Laker guarding him around. That gives us a chance to redirect him towards help, or allow time for more help to come and disrupt the action.
No, it's not something that can work every trip on defense. It just needs to be semi-effective at times to not make it so easy as it was last season. Even an older D12 didn't stop Jokic, but he did slow him down and allowed time for help to converge as needed.
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| joeblow wrote: | | manlisten wrote: | | joeblow wrote: | | manlisten wrote: | | joeblow wrote: |
We are closer to that than we have been in awhile, but the most important upgrade (a slilled, bulky backup center to face Jokic) is still a potential major issue. |
Who is this elusive Jokic stopper? |
Who mentioned anything about a Jokic stopper? If you're going to cut out 95% of my post, at least include the part that answers your baseless question (emphasis added below):
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So what player did you have in mind to slow down Jokic? Considering guys like AD, Brook Lopez etc haven't had much luck. |
I agree that if someone wants to complain about something they should at least offer an alternative. Before my earlier responses here, I had already posted a thread with a suggestion that I believe would be better than Wood or Biyombo in the area where we are the weakest: a better defensive, physical presence in the paint against centers of size (like Jokic and Embiid).
The Lakers chose not to go that direction obviously, but I still hope someone like that makes their way on our roster by the trade deadline.
| Dr. Laker wrote: | | joeblow wrote: |
So if getting a defensively skilled center with bulk to slow down two-time MVP and reigning NBA champion Jokic was our #1 goal this off season after getting bounced by Denver last post season, the solution we are ending up with is the worst defensive rotation player from the Mavericks?! If it blows up in our faces next season, Pelinka can't claim ignorance as an excuse.
| 2019 wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Is Hayes-Wood-Rui that much worse than Dwight-JaVale-Markieff? |
In terms of size, defense, toughness, experience, physicality.... yes they are miles worse.
I'm still hopeful that with all this depth, Rob will find a way to turn some of it into big man help. |
^^^ This man gets it. Ever since our 2020 championship, I've been a broken record begging for a similar front court of defensive SIZE and skill to be able to do it again while we still have the talents of Lebron and AD.
We are closer to that than we have been in awhile, but the most important upgrade (a slilled, bulky backup center to face Jokic) is still a potential major issue. Hopefully our main strategy to address this problem is not hoping that Nikola comes back complacent, fat and sloppy like Shaq did once he started winning rings. |
On which "defensively skilled C with bulk to slow down 2X MVP" Jokic did we miss out?
BroLo? Joker destroyed Milwaukee in a pair of blowouts last year - and BroLo stayed home over the summer.
Embiid? Not available.
Dwight? Completely washed up.
So to whom are you referring that was able and available this summer? |
See above. Also, based on some recent posts here Buha is basically saying the same thing I am. We need a legit bruiser with size in the paint.
He doesn't have to be all-star material... just big enough and quick enough to slow down Jokic so he doesn't easily push the Laker guarding him around. That gives us a chance to redirect him towards help, or allow time for more help to come and disrupt the action.
No, it's not something that can work every trip on defense. It just needs to be semi-effective at times to not make it so easy as it was last season. Even an older D12 didn't stop Jokic, but he did slow him down and allowed time for help to converge as needed. |
Capela would be a good target during the season especially if Hayes doesn’t give us that big man presence |
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Christian Wood shot 41.8% on catch and shoot threes last year. He will draw other bigs out of the paint from Davis.
That will be the idea anyway. Instead of asking Davis to shoot threes, they'll ask Wood.
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My guess is that Wood will be fine in the regular season, mostly playing minutes next to AD against the better team and more flexibility in when he plays against the worse teams. However, come playoffs time, especially if the Lakers go deep, I'd bet he's bench or plays very limited minutes.
I judge every signing based on their utility in the playoffs. I would have gone with Biyombo. I think he could have got some minutes in the playoffs. I don't think Wood will. Here's to hoping Hayes shows some defensive ability this year.
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| LakerSanity wrote: | My guess is that Wood will be fine in the regular season, mostly playing minutes next to AD against the better team and more flexibility in when he plays against the worse teams. However, come playoffs time, especially if the Lakers go deep, I'd bet he's bench or plays very limited minutes.
I judge every signing based on their utility in the playoffs. I would have gone with Biyombo. I think he could have got some minutes in the playoffs. I don't think Wood will. Here's to hoping Hayes shows some defensive ability this year. |
On the flip side, you can also benefit from someone who can take minutes and scoring burden from our stars during the regular season. I don't necessarily disagree that Biyombo could be more helpful in the playoffs but I do think Wood keeps AD and Bron fresher for the playoffs. As bad as Wood is on defense, Biyomb is a bigger negative on offense per RAPTOR. Besides, there may be better options at the deadline or in the buyout market to address the issue of bulk.
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Never ever got wind of this when it happened:
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Jason Kidd mentioned a few times, unprompted, that Mavs changed their closing lineup to keep Christian Wood in tonight.
Mavs blew 16-point lead in last 4:14 in OT loss.
Kidd: "You guys didn’t ask me the question I was waiting for, but I guess you guys got the answer to that.”
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Jason Kidd made a point to mention that the Mavs tried a different closing lineup during the clutch meltdown vs. Thunder. “We left C Wood out there with that group and it didn’t go well on either end,” Kidd said. |
https://itsgame7.com/mavs-jason-kidd-takes-another-weird-shot-at-christian-wood/
Obviously not a good look for Wood but also for Kidd IMO...some bad blood down there.
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| gng930 wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | My guess is that Wood will be fine in the regular season, mostly playing minutes next to AD against the better team and more flexibility in when he plays against the worse teams. However, come playoffs time, especially if the Lakers go deep, I'd bet he's bench or plays very limited minutes.
I judge every signing based on their utility in the playoffs. I would have gone with Biyombo. I think he could have got some minutes in the playoffs. I don't think Wood will. Here's to hoping Hayes shows some defensive ability this year. |
On the flip side, you can also benefit from someone who can take minutes and scoring burden from our stars during the regular season. I don't necessarily disagree that Biyombo could be more helpful in the playoffs but I do think Wood keeps AD and Bron fresher for the playoffs. As bad as Wood is on defense, Biyomb is a bigger negative on offense per RAPTOR. Besides, there may be better options at the deadline or in the buyout market to address the issue of bulk. |
I think the roster has enough between Rui and Hayes, plus maybe Castleton, to keep AD fresh. Biyombo could offer more of that too had he be signed.
I don't know about the buyout market. We now have two backup centers, Not sure they would want to add a third, only to have to completely bench one/both of Wood and Hayes.
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I have faith in LeBrotherhood
If you're on the team you are one with the team
Everyone is hopefully still rooting for each other and
knowing they have the potential, if they work together,
to go all the way.
Rui found a home for sure
We got rid of Beasley.. whew.. Shoutout to him and family struggles..
I think there has been an attitude change in our team this year
All these MFers got chips on their shoulders and don't step on the court to play ball they come to fight and win.. We ain't backing down
Wood and Hayes and Gabe all look like they're to fight someone and Prince looks like he DGAF about anything the opponent says.
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| LakerSanity wrote: | | gng930 wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | My guess is that Wood will be fine in the regular season, mostly playing minutes next to AD against the better team and more flexibility in when he plays against the worse teams. However, come playoffs time, especially if the Lakers go deep, I'd bet he's bench or plays very limited minutes.
I judge every signing based on their utility in the playoffs. I would have gone with Biyombo. I think he could have got some minutes in the playoffs. I don't think Wood will. Here's to hoping Hayes shows some defensive ability this year. |
On the flip side, you can also benefit from someone who can take minutes and scoring burden from our stars during the regular season. I don't necessarily disagree that Biyombo could be more helpful in the playoffs but I do think Wood keeps AD and Bron fresher for the playoffs. As bad as Wood is on defense, Biyomb is a bigger negative on offense per RAPTOR. Besides, there may be better options at the deadline or in the buyout market to address the issue of bulk. |
I think the roster has enough between Rui and Hayes, plus maybe Castleton, to keep AD fresh. Biyombo could offer more of that too had he be signed.
I don't know about the buyout market. We now have two backup centers, Not sure they would want to add a third, only to have to completely bench one/both of Wood and Hayes. |
Those guys give you minutes but not shot attempts/scoring when AD and/or Lebron are out. I had some hope for Rui but he didn't seem to step up in Lebron's absence. For now, I have a lot more hope for him as a role player and ceiling-raiser alongside our stars in the playoffs. Maybe he just needs to acclimate...hope I"m wrong.
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| JJin77 wrote: | | gng930 wrote: |
The Suns actually remind me of us just two off-seasons ago, a top-heavy roster otherwise dominated by vet-mins. Obviously their big 3 fit better on offense but that usually has diminishing returns and it's easy to overlook they are an awkward fit on defense. I think they'll need to get quality role players back for Ayton and his value isn't at an all-time high right now. It won't help that I think him and Vogel, being a defensive-minded coach, will clash. |
I really didn't think that your first sentence made sense at first  and
their bench is much better than our version of vet min gang(or retirement club house) two seasons ago. Matter of the fact, I actually prefer Yuta
Watanabe over Prince for his elite 3pt shooting & consistent defense.
Combination of Yuta, instead of Prince, Vando and Rui complement Lebron &
AD better, plus less log jam at the 4. We even might have gotten him cheaper and/or longer. Eric Gordon at vet min is also very good value. |
I don't think I implicated anything about the quality of our vet mins versus theirs, just that they comprised the majority of their respective rosters. In fact, I think it's very likely their vet mins outperform ours did that year. But that's also not setting a very high bar. We didn't even make it into the play-in; I'm guessing the Suns will handily get into the playoffs.
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| if we use wood a lot at center to keep the miles off AD, i'm assuming christian either weighs more than his listed 214 lbs... or he should pack on 10 pounds of muscle (or at least try to). |
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Did wood play center or more of the 4 in Dallas/Houston?
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2023 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| governator wrote: | | Did wood play center or more of the 4 in Dallas/Houston? |
Appears to be center
When he plays, on defense he will be matched up with the opposing center - lol! |
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| oaktown_dimond wrote: | | if we use wood a lot at center to keep the miles off AD, i'm assuming christian either weighs more than his listed 214 lbs... or he should pack on 10 pounds of muscle (or at least try to). |
He weighed 216 at the combine 8 years ago. I find it hard to believe that he's at 214 now.
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| LakerSanity wrote: | My guess is that Wood will be fine in the regular season, mostly playing minutes next to AD against the better team and more flexibility in when he plays against the worse teams. However, come playoffs time, especially if the Lakers go deep, I'd bet he's bench or plays very limited minutes.
I judge every signing based on their utility in the playoffs. I would have gone with Biyombo. I think he could have got some minutes in the playoffs. I don't think Wood will. Here's to hoping Hayes shows some defensive ability this year. |
That may depend on matchups. If Wood works out, he could be useful, at least in the sense of forcing opposing centers to guard him on the perimeter, which would open up the paint for other Lakers players. Plus he's a good finisher at the rim and he could be a nice target on the pick-and-roll and on the fast break.
Of course, if he keeps hurting us a lot on defense, that's when he may play few or no minutes.
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| slavavov wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | My guess is that Wood will be fine in the regular season, mostly playing minutes next to AD against the better team and more flexibility in when he plays against the worse teams. However, come playoffs time, especially if the Lakers go deep, I'd bet he's bench or plays very limited minutes.
I judge every signing based on their utility in the playoffs. I would have gone with Biyombo. I think he could have got some minutes in the playoffs. I don't think Wood will. Here's to hoping Hayes shows some defensive ability this year. |
That may depend on matchups. If Wood works out, he could be useful, at least in the sense of forcing opposing centers to guard him on the perimeter, which would open up the paint for other Lakers players. Plus he's a good finisher at the rim and he could be a nice target on the pick-and-roll and on the fast break.
Of course, if he keeps hurting us a lot on defense, that's when he may play few or no minutes. |
Of course, if opposing team knows that Wood will be going to perimeter and AD in the paint, opposing team will switch and have their centers guard AD |
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| gng930 wrote: | Never ever got wind of this when it happened:
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Jason Kidd mentioned a few times, unprompted, that Mavs changed their closing lineup to keep Christian Wood in tonight.
Mavs blew 16-point lead in last 4:14 in OT loss.
Kidd: "You guys didn’t ask me the question I was waiting for, but I guess you guys got the answer to that.”
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Jason Kidd made a point to mention that the Mavs tried a different closing lineup during the clutch meltdown vs. Thunder. “We left C Wood out there with that group and it didn’t go well on either end,” Kidd said. |
https://itsgame7.com/mavs-jason-kidd-takes-another-weird-shot-at-christian-wood/
Obviously not a good look for Wood but also for Kidd IMO...some bad blood down there. |
Also, don't lose sight of the fact that Kidd is a proven ass hole and a mediocre head coach.
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| gng930 wrote: | | JJin77 wrote: | | gng930 wrote: | | The Suns actually remind me of us just two off-seasons ago, a top-heavy roster otherwise dominated by vet-mins. Obviously their big 3 fit better on offense but that usually has diminishing returns and it's easy to overlook they are an awkward fit on defense. I think they'll need to get quality role players back for Ayton and his value isn't at an all-time high right now. It won't help that I think him and Vogel, being a defensive-minded coach, will clash. |
I really didn't think that your first sentence made sense at first and their bench is much better than our version of vet min gang(or retirement club house) two seasons ago. Matter of the fact, I actually prefer Yuta Watanabe over Prince for his elite 3pt shooting & consistent defense.
Combination of Yuta, instead of Prince, Vando and Rui complement Lebron &
AD better, plus less log jam at the 4. We even might have gotten him cheaper and/or longer. Eric Gordon at vet min is also very good value. |
I don't think I implicated anything about the quality of our vet mins versus theirs, just that they comprised the majority of their respective rosters. In fact, I think it's very likely their vet mins outperform ours did that year. But that's also not setting a very high bar. We didn't even make it into the play-in; I'm guessing the Suns will handily get into the playoffs. |
Suns have a lot of high expectations with three good ball handlers (KD, Booker, Beal) but no PG that will set up the offense during crunch tie that might transform into ISO sequences since all three players are used to having their ball in their hands and/or taking the final shot. How will their Big 3 play on defense
Every team in the NBA has a bright picture on paper, even teams like the Dubs that seemingly have an ill-matched CP3 who is expecting to start - huh
CP3 PG / Curry SG / Klay - SF / Draymond - PF / Looney - C
During crunch time, Wiggins will replace CP3
Kerr will have his hands filled
Mavs have improved themselves
Kings are getting better
Grizzs are interesting
TWolves in a puzzle that nobody knows the answer
Nuggets will be challenged in every game and will in the injury bug avoid them again
Pels, if Zion-Powered, is dangerous
Spurs have Pop, nuff said
How will the Lakers do? |
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| slavavov wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | My guess is that Wood will be fine in the regular season, mostly playing minutes next to AD against the better team and more flexibility in when he plays against the worse teams. However, come playoffs time, especially if the Lakers go deep, I'd bet he's bench or plays very limited minutes.
I judge every signing based on their utility in the playoffs. I would have gone with Biyombo. I think he could have got some minutes in the playoffs. I don't think Wood will. Here's to hoping Hayes shows some defensive ability this year. |
That may depend on matchups. If Wood works out, he could be useful, at least in the sense of forcing opposing centers to guard him on the perimeter, which would open up the paint for other Lakers players. Plus he's a good finisher at the rim and he could be a nice target on the pick-and-roll and on the fast break.
Of course, if he keeps hurting us a lot on defense, that's when he may play few or no minutes. |
Of course, if opposing team knows that Wood will be going to perimeter and AD in the paint, opposing team will switch and have their centers guard AD |
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | gng930 wrote: | Never ever got wind of this when it happened:
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Jason Kidd mentioned a few times, unprompted, that Mavs changed their closing lineup to keep Christian Wood in tonight.
Mavs blew 16-point lead in last 4:14 in OT loss.
Kidd: "You guys didn’t ask me the question I was waiting for, but I guess you guys got the answer to that.”
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Jason Kidd made a point to mention that the Mavs tried a different closing lineup during the clutch meltdown vs. Thunder. “We left C Wood out there with that group and it didn’t go well on either end,” Kidd said. |
https://itsgame7.com/mavs-jason-kidd-takes-another-weird-shot-at-christian-wood/
Obviously not a good look for Wood but also for Kidd IMO...some bad blood down there. |
Also, don't lose sight of the fact that Kidd is a proven ass hole and a mediocre head coach. |
Completely speculating here, but from reading those quotes, it sounds like someone above Kidd was telling him to play Wood.
I agree it's always a bad look for a coach to throw one of his players under a bus. Whether it was something personal against Wood, or he was just throwing shade at some executive in the suites, he comes off looking like an ahole. |
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| Ziggy wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | | gng930 wrote: | Never ever got wind of this when it happened:
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Jason Kidd mentioned a few times, unprompted, that Mavs changed their closing lineup to keep Christian Wood in tonight.
Mavs blew 16-point lead in last 4:14 in OT loss.
Kidd: "You guys didn’t ask me the question I was waiting for, but I guess you guys got the answer to that.”
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Jason Kidd made a point to mention that the Mavs tried a different closing lineup during the clutch meltdown vs. Thunder. “We left C Wood out there with that group and it didn’t go well on either end,” Kidd said. |
https://itsgame7.com/mavs-jason-kidd-takes-another-weird-shot-at-christian-wood/
Obviously not a good look for Wood but also for Kidd IMO...some bad blood down there. |
Also, don't lose sight of the fact that Kidd is a proven ass hole and a mediocre head coach. |
Completely speculating here, but from reading those quotes, it sounds like someone above Kidd was telling him to play Wood.
I agree it's always a bad look for a coach to throw one of his players under a bus. Whether it was something personal against Wood, or he was just throwing shade at some executive in the suites, he comes off looking like an ahole. |
Kidd was prob right, Wood prob a headache, that’s why we getting a Porzingis talent at the vet min, not like any of us didn’t date a chic that was crazy as hell but she was hot
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| Quote: | Buha: The Lakers will use more two-big lineups next season, but that seems more likely to happen against bench units. The challenge for the Lakers’ coaching staff is figuring out the best ways to use Wood and possibly Hayes defensively. They aren’t the same plug-and-play options that JaVale McGee and Dwight Howard were during the championship season (or even Marc Gasol and Andre Drummond, to a lesser extent, during the 2020-21 season).
There are legitimate questions about how Wood and Hayes will fit in the Lakers’ defensive scheme and next to Davis. Both are better at defending on the perimeter and in switching schemes than banging in the post and acting as the last line of defense. If the Lakers continue to just have Davis do those things, then the double-center approach will be somewhat moot. This is one of the bigger storylines to monitor in training camp and the preseason. |
I don't agree with this. Gasol was pretty washed up. Drummond was a non-shooter and so was AD that season. We still ran them, to a decent success rate. The reason was coaching. It's got less to do with the players at the 5 as much as it has to do with the scheme changes (and guard personel) changes.
We've gotten into a different style now, where we're focused on getting points from our guards and scoring over defense. This shifts to both ends. If your guards can't really lock down on the perimeter, your bigs are left hanging to play a lot of cover up. So when you run 2 big lineups, you get in major trouble on BOTH ends. You're neither as quick on offense nor dominant enough on defense.
The Vogel era 2 big model worked pre-WB because Vogel was a defensive mind who built a few strong defenses around 2 bigs and he knew the guards needed to work just as much as the bigs did. This is why we were able to run those lineups. Now our style of play and mindset has changed. I don't get why we're trying to revert or all this talk (actually it seems I do know, it's AD asking to be a 4 apparently). To play this way, you need guards who can stop the ball, switch defensively and switch back quick enough. Is Vincent this guy? More importantly is DLO this guy? What about Reaves? Christie? I'm curious to see if our guards will stop the ball to enable these lineups to work.
Personally I think since we didn't make significant enough changes to our core we should refrain from this BS notion that we can play 2 bigs and just build on what worked to get to the WCF last year. Wood should be AD's backup. Wood and Hayes should compete for minutes behind AD. And I'm a big time supporter of AD at the 4 and the schemes that won us a title. I just don't think we have a similar set up with those sort of guards (Caruso, KCP, Bradley etc) to chase their man such that a slower 2 big model (heck 3 bigs with Lebron in there at the 3 as a 250lb power player) would work. There's a risk here you may end up reverting and not building on a fantastic close to the season. |
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