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^Wolf: I think when folks read that AD wants to go back to 4, they automatically assume he means on both sides of the ball and then they jump right into, but he can’t hit the 3ball on a decent enough clip, so moving him to the 4 is a no-go. Imho, offensively he doesn’t mind operating on the low block as a 5. However on defense is where dude wants to remove his time from the paint as a rim protector and patrol the perimeter. He can be both a 4 & a 5, just on different sides of the ball.
https://twitter.com/JacobRude/status/1451318092265570304
I have no doubt AD and Wood would work on offense & even defense, but if the intent was to make it easier and take the load off of AD, its only going to happen on offense, cause on defense Wood ain’t that guy to keep AD either on the bench for an extended breather or out the paint as a rim protector if they sharing the court together. AD will continue to carry our defense and when he sits, our defense falls flat if Wood then goes into the paint as our rim protector.
But Wood could be a bucket tho and at least give AD less to worry about in carrying the team offensively. He would still allow AD to play from the offensive post when they share the court and would be able to be the guy offensively on the low block when AD sits.
https://twitter.com/notlakersgm/status/1702055977472999802
| Dr. Laker wrote: | | gng930 wrote: | Never ever got wind of this when it happened:
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Jason Kidd mentioned a few times, unprompted, that Mavs changed their closing lineup to keep Christian Wood in tonight.
Mavs blew 16-point lead in last 4:14 in OT loss.
Kidd: "You guys didn’t ask me the question I was waiting for, but I guess you guys got the answer to that.”
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Jason Kidd made a point to mention that the Mavs tried a different closing lineup during the clutch meltdown vs. Thunder. “We left C Wood out there with that group and it didn’t go well on either end,” Kidd said. |
https://itsgame7.com/mavs-jason-kidd-takes-another-weird-shot-at-christian-wood/
Obviously not a good look for Wood but also for Kidd IMO...some bad blood down there. |
Also, don't lose sight of the fact that Kidd is a proven ass hole and a mediocre head coach. |
But this guy doesn’t think so…
https://twitter.com/ClutchPoints/status/1702144485730168904
We also can’t forget that Kidd actually has seen & coached good defense from frontline players in his time with Bucks (Giannis) and his time here in LA (AD). It does say something at least Defensively that he hardly got wood seeing Christian play.
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A Mad Chinaman
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| vasashi17+ wrote: | ^Wolf: I think when folks read that AD wants to go back to 4, they automatically assume he means on both sides of the ball and then they jump right into, but he can’t hit the 3ball on a decent enough clip, so moving him to the 4 is a no-go. Imho, offensively he doesn’t mind operating on the low block as a 5. However on defense is where dude wants to remove his time from the paint as a rim protector and patrol the perimeter. He can be both a 4 & a 5, just on different sides of the ball.
https://twitter.com/JacobRude/status/1451318092265570304
I have no doubt AD and Wood would work on offense & even defense, but if the intent was to make it easier and take the load off of AD, its only going to happen on offense, cause on defense Wood ain’t that guy to keep AD either on the bench for an extended breather or out the paint as a rim protector if they sharing the court together. AD will continue to carry our defense and when he sits, our defense falls flat if Wood then goes into the paint as our rim protector.
But Wood could be a bucket tho and at least give AD less to worry about in carrying the team offensively. He would still allow AD to play from the offensive post when they share the court and would be able to be the guy offensively on the low block when AD sits.
https://twitter.com/notlakersgm/status/1702055977472999802
| Dr. Laker wrote: | | gng930 wrote: | Never ever got wind of this when it happened: | Quote: | Jason Kidd mentioned a few times, unprompted, that Mavs changed their closing lineup to keep Christian Wood in tonight.
Mavs blew 16-point lead in last 4:14 in OT loss.
Kidd: "You guys didn’t ask me the question I was waiting for, but I guess you guys got the answer to that.” |
| Quote: | | Jason Kidd made a point to mention that the Mavs tried a different closing lineup during the clutch meltdown vs. Thunder. “We left C Wood out there with that group and it didn’t go well on either end,” Kidd said. |
https://itsgame7.com/mavs-jason-kidd-takes-another-weird-shot-at-christian-wood/
Obviously not a good look for Wood but also for Kidd IMO...some bad blood down there. |
Also, don't lose sight of the fact that Kidd is a proven ass hole and a mediocre head coach. |
But this guy doesn’t think so…
https://twitter.com/ClutchPoints/status/1702144485730168904
We also can’t forget that Kidd actually has seen & coached good defense from frontline players in his time with Bucks (Giannis) and his time here in LA (AD). It does say something at least Defensively that he hardly got wood seeing Christian play. |
Documented fact that JKidd never wanted Wood. To believe that Wood was any significant factor that a Luka/Kyrie- led team lost is funny
Wood knows that he is coming to an elite defensive team that includes a player he knows (AD) and a coach (Ham) that worked with him before
He knows LBJ takes no guff
Vincent is a hard-nosed player raised on Heat Culture that has no problem to make things clear on how to Hoop
Hayes is waiting for him to fail
AR’s hustle will expose his lack of focus
Rui will love opportunities to get his PT
Vanderbilt’s all out hustle will embarrass him if he doesn’t work his ass off on defense
Wood is playing for his next contract
He knows that he has a legitimate chance to win a RING and to embarrass JKidd at one stroke
If this doesn’t motivate him - he is out of the NBA |
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| vasashi17+ wrote: | ^Wolf: I think when folks read that AD wants to go back to 4, they automatically assume he means on both sides of the ball and then they jump right into, but he can’t hit the 3ball on a decent enough clip, so moving him to the 4 is a no-go. Imho, offensively he doesn’t mind operating on the low block as a 5. However on defense is where dude wants to remove his time from the paint as a rim protector and patrol the perimeter. He can be both a 4 & a 5, just on different sides of the ball.
https://twitter.com/JacobRude/status/1451318092265570304
I have no doubt AD and Wood would work on offense & even defense, but if the intent was to make it easier and take the load off of AD, its only going to happen on offense, cause on defense Wood ain’t that guy to keep AD either on the bench for an extended breather or out the paint as a rim protector if they sharing the court together. AD will continue to carry our defense and when he sits, our defense falls flat if Wood then goes into the paint as our rim protector.
But Wood could be a bucket tho and at least give AD less to worry about in carrying the team offensively. He would still allow AD to play from the offensive post when they share the court and would be able to be the guy offensively on the low block when AD sits.
https://twitter.com/notlakersgm/status/1702055977472999802
| Dr. Laker wrote: | | gng930 wrote: | Never ever got wind of this when it happened:
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Jason Kidd mentioned a few times, unprompted, that Mavs changed their closing lineup to keep Christian Wood in tonight.
Mavs blew 16-point lead in last 4:14 in OT loss.
Kidd: "You guys didn’t ask me the question I was waiting for, but I guess you guys got the answer to that.”
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Jason Kidd made a point to mention that the Mavs tried a different closing lineup during the clutch meltdown vs. Thunder. “We left C Wood out there with that group and it didn’t go well on either end,” Kidd said. |
https://itsgame7.com/mavs-jason-kidd-takes-another-weird-shot-at-christian-wood/
Obviously not a good look for Wood but also for Kidd IMO...some bad blood down there. |
Also, don't lose sight of the fact that Kidd is a proven ass hole and a mediocre head coach. |
But this guy doesn’t think so…
https://twitter.com/ClutchPoints/status/1702144485730168904
We also can’t forget that Kidd actually has seen & coached good defense from frontline players in his time with Bucks (Giannis) and his time here in LA (AD). It does say something at least Defensively that he hardly got wood seeing Christian play. |
Why didn't that guy save Kidd's job?
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| gng930 wrote: | | JJin77 wrote: | | gng930 wrote: |
The Suns actually remind me of us just two off-seasons ago, a top-heavy roster otherwise dominated by vet-mins. Obviously their big 3 fit better on offense but that usually has diminishing returns and it's easy to overlook they are an awkward fit on defense. I think they'll need to get quality role players back for Ayton and his value isn't at an all-time high right now. It won't help that I think him and Vogel, being a defensive-minded coach, will clash. |
I really didn't think that your first sentence made sense at first  and
their bench is much better than our version of vet min gang(or retirement club house) two seasons ago. Matter of the fact, I actually prefer Yuta
Watanabe over Prince for his elite 3pt shooting & consistent defense.
Combination of Yuta, instead of Prince, Vando and Rui complement Lebron &
AD better, plus less log jam at the 4. We even might have gotten him cheaper and/or longer. Eric Gordon at vet min is also very good value. |
I don't think I implicated anything about the quality of our vet mins versus theirs, just that they comprised the majority of their respective rosters. In fact, I think it's very likely their vet mins outperform ours did that year. But that's also not setting a very high bar. We didn't even make it into the play-in; I'm guessing the Suns will handily get into the playoffs. |
Oh no, I actually understand and strongly agree with your main point, especially regards to Vogel & Ayton. Also I acknowledge that you weren't making direct comparison between their bench & ours two season ago which might struggle against GLeage team, but I guess I was just needlessly felt compressed by nobody to point out Suns' bench might not be as weak as you describe before agreeing with you  . Not saying they're deep at all either. I just happend to think Collection of Yuta, Gordan, Ubanks at vet min are better than our collection of vet min imo. Yup, not a high bar I know. |
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| Can someone update the thread and at least spell Christian correctly? Lol |
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A Mad Chinaman
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Christian Wood is a good signing because of it potential high rewards and low risk factors.
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Interesting that Perk has the Suns over the World Champion Nuggets |
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| Quote: | | Wolf: I think when folks read that AD wants to go back to 4, they automatically assume he means on both sides of the ball and then they jump right into, but he can’t hit the 3ball on a decent enough clip, so moving him to the 4 is a no-go. Imho, offensively he doesn’t mind operating on the low block as a 5. However on defense is where dude wants to remove his time from the paint as a rim protector and patrol the perimeter. He can be both a 4 & a 5, just on different sides of the ball. |
I don't know his current view on this, but a few years ago. It seemed quite obvious why he preferred the 4. On offense 1) He would be able to shoot over smaller players and be able to back them down in the paint. Against 5s he has a harder time playing in the paint, meaning he has to work a bit harder. Can also not being the last line of defense around the rim run the floor and get some more easy baskets. It seemed in 19-20 AD was getting a lot more fastbreak dunks/buckets from Lebron/guards than he ever has since he's moved to the 5 the last 2 years. Same thing with above the rim plays, I mean you're much longer than your typical 4, so you can get around them and get those lob plays.
On defense he would avoid having to defend the bigger stronger physical players. Think he much prefers hovering around the rim and being a 4 that helps as a secondary rim protection player, and who has enough length and speed to challlenge 3 point shooters.
That is how we used him, but it was a different time and coaching philosiphy as well. Our entire scheme was set up to make that work for him as a starting 4, with guards that could defend at the perimeter (So Lebron would be able to match up with who he could best defend).
What sort of irks me about this is the team just went to the WCF. They just got out the WB mess. They need to build on what worked. When you start talking about going back 3 years ago, it sort of worries me. Lebron is 3 years older as is AD, and the roster we have now is as talented as we've had in the AD/Bron era, it's just not the same sort of roster as 2019. I know when push comes to shove he'll play the 5 full time. Based on all data I've seen/read, Wood should be his backup and Hayes/Wood should compete for those minutes. We should build on what worked last season to get to the WCF and a great close to the RS., not some revert to try and win a way we're not really equipped to anymore. |
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I think you're also seeing a reaction to the team that beat us and doing it with size. Jokic is the new unicorn and there's a chance we don't even go through them but that doesn't mean we shouldn't set up ourselves up well for that matchup. Ideally they get a defender that can match up better to Jokic but without giving up too much against other potential matchups or to just get us through the regular season. Otherwise, you hope that between the loss of Bruce Brown, DLO not choking again, and us having more options that don't get played off the floor that it's enough.
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Finally our Lakers have a deep roster with the talent and ability to use our strengths to attack opposing teams, along with the flexability to adopt to other teams' different styles
Possibility of an effective/efficient lineup of Hayes, Wood, Rui, Vincent and Christie lineup (size, youth and length) is actually realistic that would allow AD/LBJ's PT to be between 30-35MPGs.
Despite many have blind faith that the Suns/KD/Booker/Beal (how well will these uber-talented ISO offensive players during clutch time when stops are needed - will Ayton be an important or forgotten person on the court) are automatically the best, the path in the Western Conference still goes through the Nuggets (if both teams are healthy).
Hopefully Lakers are one of the few teams with length and depth to limit Jokic's ability to have his teammates be effective at their highlest level, since nobody can stop Jokic. Maybe Hayes' rim runs (along with Wood's breakouts), forcing Jokic to play defense all the time, hence limiting his PT. Dreams and Hopes - I know |
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Christian Wood is a good signing because of it potential high rewards and low risk factors.
Side Note:
Interesting that Perk has the Suns over the World Champion Nuggets |
That's the "Shiny new toy" syndrome |
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| Harlemlakerfan wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Christian Wood is a good signing because of it potential high rewards and low risk factors.
Side Note:
Interesting that Perk has the Suns over the World Champion Nuggets |
That's the "Shiny new toy" syndrome |
There is always some of that, but I find it interesting that some posters regard this as a low risk signing. If Wood was a low risk player, he would have gotten offers for more than the minimum. I'm hoping for the best, but we'll see how it goes. If he adjusts his attitude and buys into the system, it could be an excellent signing.
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Harlemlakerfan wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Christian Wood is a good signing because of it potential high rewards and low risk factors.
Side Note:
Interesting that Perk has the Suns over the World Champion Nuggets |
That's the "Shiny new toy" syndrome |
There is always some of that, but I find it interesting that some posters regard this as a low risk signing. If Wood was a low risk player, he would have gotten offers for more than the minimum. I'm hoping for the best, but we'll see how it goes. If he adjusts his attitude and buys into the system, it could be an excellent signing. |
Low risk because of his contract and that the Lakers are NOT depended on him to being successful.
Other teams didn't take a flier for many reasons - JKidd not liking him, roster filled, Wood's demand for PT, not having leaders strong enough to deal with his possible/past attitude problems, Wood's search to be with a contender, etc. |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Harlemlakerfan wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Christian Wood is a good signing because of it potential high rewards and low risk factors.
Side Note:
Interesting that Perk has the Suns over the World Champion Nuggets |
That's the "Shiny new toy" syndrome |
There is always some of that, but I find it interesting that some posters regard this as a low risk signing. If Wood was a low risk player, he would have gotten offers for more than the minimum. I'm hoping for the best, but we'll see how it goes. If he adjusts his attitude and buys into the system, it could be an excellent signing. |
What would you say is risky about this signing? |
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| Harlemlakerfan wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Christian Wood is a good signing because of it potential high rewards and low risk factors.
Side Note:
Interesting that Perk has the Suns over the World Champion Nuggets |
That's the "Shiny new toy" syndrome |
I wouldn't underestimate the Suns. That's a dangerous team right there, they have enough talent to win it all. Doesn't mean they will but if we're facing that team in the playoffs it's going to be a shoot out in the wild west |
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| levon wrote: | | What would you say is risky about this signing? |
Attitude/chemistry. After the Westbrook experience, no one should be underrating this. Again, if he was low risk, he would have gotten more than the vet min.
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | levon wrote: | | What would you say is risky about this signing? |
Attitude/chemistry. After the Westbrook experience, no one should be underrating this. Again, if he was low risk, he would have gotten more than the vet min. |
As in, he's going to destroy team chemistry as a minimum player? I wouldn't really bet on that.
Russ was risky because he cost 47m and required losing a ton of functional depth for. If it was just a team chemistry, we would have simply let him walk in the summer of 2022 or traded him for a second rounder. Wood seems like pretty much the opposite of Russ's situation.
His reputation has been tarnished enough to where he's become a minimum player. I think that's a little unfair and he's a tpMLE guy at least even if he's some outlier (bleep) teammate. We'll see if he turns it around. Frankly I find behavioral problems to be overblown in sports and the Lakers have continued to benefit from that market inefficiency. I don't find the 29 other teams passing on Wood (let's keep in mind that he has preferences too and rejected a few himself) some kind of reliable indicator that he's toxic to a locker room and his career is toast. |
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| levon wrote: | | As in, he's going to destroy team chemistry as a minimum player? I wouldn't really bet on that. |
You asked what the risk was. I told you. Hopefully, the front office has guessed right, and this does not become a problem.
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| levon wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | levon wrote: | | What would you say is risky about this signing? |
Attitude/chemistry. After the Westbrook experience, no one should be underrating this. Again, if he was low risk, he would have gotten more than the vet min. |
As in, he's going to destroy team chemistry as a minimum player? I wouldn't really bet on that.
Russ was risky because he cost 47m and required losing a ton of functional depth for. If it was just a team chemistry, we would have simply let him walk in the summer of 2022 or traded him for a second rounder. Wood seems like pretty much the opposite of Russ's situation.
His reputation has been tarnished enough to where he's become a minimum player. I think that's a little unfair and he's a tpMLE guy at least even if he's some outlier (bleep) teammate. We'll see if he turns it around. Frankly I find behavioral problems to be overblown in sports and the Lakers have continued to benefit from that market inefficiency. I don't find the 29 other teams passing on Wood (let's keep in mind that he has preferences too and rejected a few himself) some kind of reliable indicator that he's toxic to a locker room and his is toast. |
I completely agree..remember 3 years ago the Lakers benefited by signing Dwight who was taught to have "poor" locker room attitude, but ended up being just the opposite.
But hey..don't mind because if other teams didn't put so much into the "attitude" mindset, the Lakers wouldn't get guys like Dwight and Wood at the min.
On a sidenote however, I think these poor attitudes can be true sometimes..but because the Lakers reputation along with their veteran stars, it doesn't become an issue. |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | levon wrote: | | As in, he's going to destroy team chemistry as a minimum player? I wouldn't really bet on that. |
You asked what the risk was. I told you. Hopefully, the front office has guessed right, and this does not become a problem. |
Low risk: if he becomes a problem, waive him instead of keeping him around to become a festering sore.
High reward: if he holds it together in the locker room AND produces on the court, then we get an $18-20 million piece at a 90% discount.
WB's issue wasn't that he was an unproductive cancer. WB's issue was that he was an unproductive cancer with an immovable contract. With CW, the contract is not an issue.
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | levon wrote: | | As in, he's going to destroy team chemistry as a minimum player? I wouldn't really bet on that. |
You asked what the risk was. I told you. Hopefully, the front office has guessed right, and this does not become a problem. |
Low risk: if he becomes a problem, waive him instead of keeping him around to become a festering sore.
High reward: if he holds it together in the locker room AND produces on the court, then we get an $18-20 million piece at a 90% discount.
WB's issue wasn't that he was an unproductive cancer. WB's issue was that he was an unproductive cancer with an immovable contract. With CW, the contract is not an issue. |
Again, if this really wasn't a problem, Wood would have gotten more than the vet min from some team. When a player's reputation has gotten that negative, it isn't something to be brushed off. Hopefully, this works out. That's what we're pulling for. However, saying that this is low risk is questionable.
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | levon wrote: | | As in, he's going to destroy team chemistry as a minimum player? I wouldn't really bet on that. |
You asked what the risk was. I told you. Hopefully, the front office has guessed right, and this does not become a problem. |
Low risk: if he becomes a problem, waive him instead of keeping him around to become a festering sore.
High reward: if he holds it together in the locker room AND produces on the court, then we get an $18-20 million piece at a 90% discount.
WB's issue wasn't that he was an unproductive cancer. WB's issue was that he was an unproductive cancer with an immovable contract. With CW, the contract is not an issue. |
Yeah, regardless of how Woods turns out I agree it's an extremely low risk.. If he starts becoming a problem whatsoever you waive him & it's over. His story ends as a Laker and we move on, simple as that. We have a veteran team which allows you to take risks like this imo and have done several times already since Bron came here.. If we had a team full of young players then I would agree there's much more risk and say it's not even worth signing him at the minimum which im sure a lot of other teams did exactly that.
I agree this is also completely incomparable to Russ as we still have a fairly deep team without Woods and will just look to add another big as a buyout or small trade.. If Woods works out though we suddenly have a new legitimate weapon at a bargain price. I personally see a literal 0% chance he can truly mess up the Locker room as a minimum 1st year player with us. |
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despite Russ on the court... i think the consensus off the court is that he's a totally good dude and wasn't a "cancer" in the slightest.
| hype wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | levon wrote: | | As in, he's going to destroy team chemistry as a minimum player? I wouldn't really bet on that. |
You asked what the risk was. I told you. Hopefully, the front office has guessed right, and this does not become a problem. |
Low risk: if he becomes a problem, waive him instead of keeping him around to become a festering sore.
High reward: if he holds it together in the locker room AND produces on the court, then we get an $18-20 million piece at a 90% discount.
WB's issue wasn't that he was an unproductive cancer. WB's issue was that he was an unproductive cancer with an immovable contract. With CW, the contract is not an issue. |
Yeah, regardless of how Woods turns out I agree it's an extremely low risk.. If he starts becoming a problem whatsoever you waive him & it's over. His story ends as a Laker and we move on, simple as that. We have a veteran team which allows you to take risks like this imo and have done several times already since Bron came here.. If we had a team full of young players then I would agree there's much more risk and say it's not even worth signing him at the minimum which im sure a lot of other teams did exactly that.
I agree this is also completely incomparable to Russ as we still have a fairly deep team without Woods and will just look to add another big as a buyout or small trade.. If Woods works out though we suddenly have a new legitimate weapon at a bargain price. I personally see a literal 0% chance he can truly mess up the Locker room as a minimum 1st year player with us. |
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Dr. Laker
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| oaktown_dimond wrote: | despite Russ on the court... i think the consensus off the court is that he's a totally good dude and wasn't a "cancer" in the slightest.
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Report: Russell Westbrook trade was described as removing ‘a vampire from the locker room’
| Quote: | “As one source told me, ‘you remove a vampire from the locker room’.”
Dave McMenamin spoke on the Lakers moving on from Russell Westbrook. |
All the reports I saw pointed to WB being a problem in 22-23. Maybe it was the pressure from not meeting expectations, but his relationship with everyone deteriorated.
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | oaktown_dimond wrote: | despite Russ on the court... i think the consensus off the court is that he's a totally good dude and wasn't a "cancer" in the slightest.
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Report: Russell Westbrook trade was described as removing ‘a vampire from the locker room’
| Quote: | “As one source told me, ‘you remove a vampire from the locker room’.”
Dave McMenamin spoke on the Lakers moving on from Russell Westbrook. |
All the reports I saw pointed to WB being a problem in 22-23. Maybe it was the pressure from not meeting expectations, but his relationship with everyone deteriorated. |
Yeah, i'm not sure I can buy anyone honestly thinking he wasn't a Cancer to that locker room.. Even as a fan, just watching him in a lot of press interviews or his body language at times on the floor or bench was plenty enough for me. I also strongly disliked how he mostly deflected blame at all times when it was blatantly obvious to the world he was awful. This all just got worse and worse over time until they were finally able to trade him away and surprise, surprise we go on a huge run immediately afterwards.
OTOH, was the whole situation just Russ's fault? Absolutely not, there's plenty of blame to go around with that disastrously awful decision to bring him here but what I can judge is what I seen from him on the court, bench and especially interviews which were for the most part pretty pathetic imo.
Outside of Basketball, I really don't care much at all about any player. I have heard he's a "good dude" over and over but that never helped him be a better basketball player for us from what I could see so it was/is irrelevant to me. |
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A Mad Chinaman
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[quote="Dr. Laker"] | oaktown_dimond wrote: | despite Russ on the court... i think the consensus off the court is that he's a totally good dude and wasn't a "cancer" in the slightest.[/quoteReport: Russell Westbrook trade was described as removing ‘a vampire from the locker room’ | Quote: | “As one source told me, ‘you remove a vampire from the locker room’.”
Dave McMenamin spoke on the Lakers moving on from Russell Westbrook. |
All the reports I saw pointed to WB being a problem in 22-23. Maybe it was the pressure from not meeting expectations, but his relationship with everyone deteriorated. |
Russ' situations was "weird" because supposedly LBJ/AD/Westbrook got together during the off-season to figure out the best way to work together and to confirm that LBJ/AD advocated for Westbrook's acquisition
Wood was on a Pel team with AD and worked with Ham in the past (assuming that Ham was behind the acquisition). With AD and Ham on his side and willing to give him a fair chance to get PT and a Ring, we will see if Wood will take advantage of the opportunity
If not, he will always be a player that can fill a stat sheet but never will play an important role for any legitimate title-contending team |
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