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Brooks dropping 40 shows that FIBA stat lines have no significance. 
Come on dudes and dudettes. It's more about the team game than individual play. I bet you Jokic would rather have 10 assists than 40 points in these games.
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| Denny_Russo wrote: | Brooks dropping 40 shows that FIBA stat lines have no significance.
Come on dudes and dudettes. It's more about the team game than individual play. I bet you Jokic would rather have 10 assists than 40 points in these games. |
Canada is basically same style as us, not enough playing time together. However, their coach clearly had a better understanding of the Fiba game. With that being said, there is no way anyone could’ve predicted shooting like this for the tournament. We gave him all those shots in the playoffs and he shot the grizzlies out of the game.
(By the way, I hope people realize Zach Edey is not NBA material, not even a 2nd rounder) |
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Takeaways
Gave AR invaluable PT to work on his games and to identify possible potent9al weaknesses in his game for him to work on.
Exposes the pitfalls of ISO Ball and the importance of Rebounds
Our very young FIBA team have many very to uber-talented players, nut none of them are the Da Man or the Face of a team, at this time. |
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| The talent level of the B team is just not there. Josh Hart Brunson and BI were dead weight. |
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | Denny_Russo wrote: | Brooks dropping 40 shows that FIBA stat lines have no significance.
Come on dudes and dudettes. It's more about the team game than individual play. I bet you Jokic would rather have 10 assists than 40 points in these games. |
Canada is basically same style as us, not enough playing time together. However, their coach clearly had a better understanding of the Fiba game. With that being said, there is no way anyone could’ve predicted shooting like this for the tournament. We gave him all those shots in the playoffs and he shot the grizzlies out of the game.
(By the way, I hope people realize Zach Edey is not NBA material, not even a 2nd rounder) |
It's important to remember that the FIBA three-point line is about 18 inches shorter than the NBA line, though it is only slightly shorter in the corners. This makes it problematic to translate FIBA results to NBA results. This is particularly relevant to someone like Brooks.
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Lebron recruiting for the Olympics:
| Quote: | LeBron James, a three-time Olympian, two-time gold medalist, and the NBA’s all-time leading scorer, has so strong an interest in one more Olympics that he is ready to commit for next summer, and has also called multiple stars to essentially recruit them to join him with USAB in Paris, multiple league sources told The Athletic.
James has spoken to Stephen Curry, Kevin Durant, Anthony Davis, Jayson Tatum and Draymond Green, and they are all prepared to commit as well. Separately, Phoenix’s Devin Booker, Portland’s Damian Lillard, Sacramento’s De’Aaron Fox and Dallas’ Kyrie Irving also have serious interest in committing, league sources said. |
https://theathletic.com/4849490/2023/09/11/lebron-james-2024-olympics-paris/
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | Lebron recruiting for the Olympics:
| Quote: | LeBron James, a three-time Olympian, two-time gold medalist, and the NBA’s all-time leading scorer, has so strong an interest in one more Olympics that he is ready to commit for next summer, and has also called multiple stars to essentially recruit them to join him with USAB in Paris, multiple league sources told The Athletic.
James has spoken to Stephen Curry, Kevin Durant, Anthony Davis, Jayson Tatum and Draymond Green, and they are all prepared to commit as well. Separately, Phoenix’s Devin Booker, Portland’s Damian Lillard, Sacramento’s De’Aaron Fox and Dallas’ Kyrie Irving also have serious interest in committing, league sources said. |
https://theathletic.com/4849490/2023/09/11/lebron-james-2024-olympics-paris/ |
See, that's what I'm talking about. Get your old asses up and represent your country. These other countries are getting out of hand! They need another beat down to remind them that we are the WORLD CHAMPS!
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Olympic basketball *yawns*
Who care if we've won another gold medal or ten? The competition just isn't there. If we put all of our best players into Team USA, then it would be like a gold medal ceremony to see who looks the best. Everyone else would be playing for silver and bronze. Where's the excitement? When I watch something or anything for entertainment, I want excitement and uncertainty.
Team USA should continue to use lesser players in order to make international basketball more entertaining. I blame Kerr for the recent loss. Just keep the same team and replace him with a half decent coach and we should be ok.
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If Lebron wants to do his LeRecruiting thing for the olympics, I can't think of a better man for the job. That's his MO. He knows how to tamper, recruit and then win with the best talents in the league.
That being said, the games won't be easy victories as people are suggesting. Lebron, Durant, Curry and Dame will all be in their mid 30s or higher when the tournament begins. The youth will have to pick up the slack defensively, and I'm not too confident in that. They need to pass the torch to the younger players somehow, but I doubt it's going to happen in the current NBA. The landscape has shifted in such a way that most of the best players in the NBA are international talents. The difference in style is shocking to say at the least. One is team oriented, while the other devolves into AAU ball. The USA players have a ME problem.
Most of us just want to see players play the right way. None of this "the man" garbage that Kerr strongly emphasized on the team. It's not a talent issue. It's a coaching one. The current team had enough talent to win the tournament but all we saw was guys going 1 on 1. Even AR fell into that trap in the last 2 games.
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| socalsp3 wrote: | | The talent level of the B team is just not there. Josh Hart Brunson and BI were dead weight. |
It's still perplexing to me that people think guys who didn't touch the ball were part of the problem (BI, Cam, Hart, Kessler, etc). Hart was decent and led the team in rebounding. I like those 4 guys and enjoy watching them on league pass. Kessler was a beast in Utah, and the system they ran was much more sophisticated than Kerr's AAU garbage. They knew how to deliver the ball to him in the post, while the USA squad failed to make simple post entry passes. Watching Brunson make bounce passes while Kessler was calling for lobs was comical. They were all misutilized and/or parked in the 3pt line / paint while the rest of the team went 1 on 1. The strategy and offensive schemes just weren't there. I'm more impressed at Kerr's ability to ruin teams that don't have Curry, Durant, Klay and Draymond. It's like he only knows one way to coach.
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | Olympic basketball *yawns*
Who care if we've won another gold medal or ten? The competition just isn't there. If we put all of our best players into Team USA, then it would be like a gold medal ceremony to see who looks the best. Everyone else would be playing for silver and bronze. Where's the excitement? When I watch something or anything for entertainment, I want excitement and uncertainty.
Team USA should continue to use lesser players in order to make international basketball more entertaining. I blame Kerr for the recent loss. Just keep the same team and replace him with a half decent coach and we should be ok. |
On one hand it would be more entertainment. For the Olympic organizers it would probably be a lot harder to sell tickets if the stars aren't there. On the other hand, if the USA doesn't send their best players the rest of the world has a chance. If the USA wanted to retain their gold medal streak they would field the best team possible. |
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interesting point. like maybe FIBA is kryptonite for superstar NBA players... so they stay away?
there might be something to that.
| Denny_Russo wrote: | The "top" players (extremely subjective) bailed because they didn't want to risk the same embarrassment the current "B" or "C" team (their words, not mine) just went through. It would be disastrous for their brand. It's that simple. Ultimately, I think most of them realize that, with the competition being what it currently is, there is a risk of failure. If Serbia made it to the finals without Jokic, what would they do to the USA A-team if Jokic suited up? Jokic is the best player in the world by a decent margin, and he'd strategically cut them up the same way he did to the Lakers or Heat in the postseason. Just something to ponder when bringing up this whole "best players" charade.
And that brings me to the biggest issue- the players and coaching staff don't take it seriously. They see it more as a sabbatical than an actual tournament. I bet you they were more enthralled with the sightseeing and food in Manilla than representing their country. They didn't care enough to play team ball and treated it as a 1 on 1 showcase. I didn't see Kerr changing anything up or holding the players accountable. They legitimately believed the talent alone was enough to get by. Even those Kobe-led olympic teams with some of the GOAT talent wouldn't have closed out Spain if they played with the same level of aloofness the current team did. |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | Olympic basketball *yawns*
Who care if we've won another gold medal or ten? The competition just isn't there. If we put all of our best players into Team USA, then it would be like a gold medal ceremony to see who looks the best. Everyone else would be playing for silver and bronze. Where's the excitement? When I watch something or anything for entertainment, I want excitement and uncertainty.
Team USA should continue to use lesser players in order to make international basketball more entertaining. I blame Kerr for the recent loss. Just keep the same team and replace him with a half decent coach and we should be ok. |
On one hand it would be more entertainment. For the Olympic organizers it would probably be a lot harder to sell tickets if the stars aren't there. On the other hand, if the USA doesn't send their best players the rest of the world has a chance. If the USA wanted to retain their gold medal streak they would field the best team possible. |
If there is one thing that we've learned over the years, it's that America does care about the Olympics. We may be more or less indifferent toward the other competitions, but winning the gold at the Olympics is still important.
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| oaktown_dimond wrote: | | interesting point. like maybe FIBA is kryptonite for superstar NBA players... so they stay away? |
It's a matter of cost-benefit. There isn't enough benefit to winning a FIBA competition to make the biggest stars want to give up a month or so of their offseason. For younger players, it's a novel experience and an opportunity to showcase themselves. For guys like Lebron, Durant, and Curry, not so much.
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | Olympic basketball *yawns*
Who care if we've won another gold medal or ten? The competition just isn't there. If we put all of our best players into Team USA, then it would be like a gold medal ceremony to see who looks the best. Everyone else would be playing for silver and bronze. Where's the excitement? When I watch something or anything for entertainment, I want excitement and uncertainty.
Team USA should continue to use lesser players in order to make international basketball more entertaining. I blame Kerr for the recent loss. Just keep the same team and replace him with a half decent coach and we should be ok. |
On one hand it would be more entertainment. For the Olympic organizers it would probably be a lot harder to sell tickets if the stars aren't there. On the other hand, if the USA doesn't send their best players the rest of the world has a chance. If the USA wanted to retain their gold medal streak they would field the best team possible. |
If there is one thing that we've learned over the years, it's that America does care about the Olympics. We may be more or less indifferent toward the other competitions, but winning the gold at the Olympics is still important. |
Also the Olympic basketball tournament is bigger and gets more coverage in the USA than FIBA. They tried to make FIBA like the FIFA World Cup, but it doesn't have the prestige and basketball as a game is smaller than soccer on a worldwide scale. |
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| Denny_Russo wrote: | | socalsp3 wrote: | | The talent level of the B team is just not there. Josh Hart Brunson and BI were dead weight. |
It's still perplexing to me that people think guys who didn't touch the ball were part of the problem (BI, Cam, Hart, Kessler, etc). Hart was decent and led the team in rebounding. I like those 4 guys and enjoy watching them on league pass. Kessler was a beast in Utah, and the system they ran was much more sophisticated than Kerr's AAU garbage. They knew how to deliver the ball to him in the post, while the USA squad failed to make simple post entry passes. Watching Brunson make bounce passes while Kessler was calling for lobs was comical. They were all misutilized and/or parked in the 3pt line / paint while the rest of the team went 1 on 1. The strategy and offensive schemes just weren't there. I'm more impressed at Kerr's ability to ruin teams that don't have Curry, Durant, Klay and Draymond. It's like he only knows one way to coach. |
As we have noted with the Black Mamba/Pau instant chemistry and Pop's offensive schemes with TD, Manu, Parker, etc. - focus on "One-on-One" skills has a much higher priority than passing when compared to how this FIBA played. Some of this be contributed to Kerr's coaching, however the lack of intensity/focus/discipline (along with having the Basketball IQ/skill set) is on the players. Watching B.I. in the corner doing nothing because 1) he knows that Ant Man won't need/want/request any screens; 2) if he cuts, he knows that the ball will never be passed to him; 3) he will just clogged the lane and: 4) why spend extra energy for nothing.
Re: Kessler
Passing the ball to a big in the paint is a lost art since very few teams even have a legitimate scoring threat in the paint - with Embiied being the closest one. Jokic is hopefully starting a new trend of having legitimate triple threat bigs in the paint is an invaluable way to win rings.
Re: LBJ's recruitment
Imagine if Bronnie is part of the Olympic team!!! Can AD bang with the European big men? Curry's shooting range should stretched out the defense, maybe even give B.I. lessons on how to keep moving in Kerr's system. JJJ'a rwnswnxy to foul was definitely identified by the opposition and made worse by JJJ's inability to adjust - despite knowing that he was a big key to this FIBA's team success.
This FIBA was an opportunity to see which of the uber-talented kids that have been coddlled since they started being noticed were ready for the big time. |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | Lebron recruiting for the Olympics:
| Quote: | LeBron James, a three-time Olympian, two-time gold medalist, and the NBA’s all-time leading scorer, has so strong an interest in one more Olympics that he is ready to commit for next summer, and has also called multiple stars to essentially recruit them to join him with USAB in Paris, multiple league sources told The Athletic.
James has spoken to Stephen Curry, Kevin Durant, Anthony Davis, Jayson Tatum and Draymond Green, and they are all prepared to commit as well. Separately, Phoenix’s Devin Booker, Portland’s Damian Lillard, Sacramento’s De’Aaron Fox and Dallas’ Kyrie Irving also have serious interest in committing, league sources said |
https://theathletic.com/4849490/2023/09/11/lebron-james-2024-olympics-paris/ |
Draymond instead of JJJ - improvement
Kyrie instead of Ant Man - improvement
KD instead of Kessler - obvious
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| The rest of the world may be at its best in the next Olympics. All the players want to go to Paris for the summer so they are trying to gain eligibility to play for any country they have heritage from. Klay Thompson wants to play for the Caribbean, and I’m sure there are going to be many more first time olympians for other countries. |
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | The rest of the world may be at its best in the next Olympics. All the players want to go to Paris for the summer so they are trying to gain eligibility to play for any country they have heritage from. Klay Thompson wants to play for the Caribbean, and I’m sure there are going to be many more first time olympians for other countries. |
https://sports.inquirer.net/526571/klay-thompson-to-give-playing-for-the-bahamas-serious-consideration |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | oaktown_dimond wrote: | | interesting point. like maybe FIBA is kryptonite for superstar NBA players... so they stay away? |
It's a matter of cost-benefit. There isn't enough benefit to winning a FIBA competition to make the biggest stars want to give up a month or so of their offseason. For younger players, it's a novel experience and an opportunity to showcase themselves. For guys like Lebron, Durant, and Curry, not so much. |
Right, especially if the predominant mentality is that the NBA champion is also the world champion. They don't have as much to gain especially considering the potential cost to their NBA team's success.
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | The rest of the world may be at its best in the next Olympics. All the players want to go to Paris for the summer so they are trying to gain eligibility to play for any country they have heritage from. Klay Thompson wants to play for the Caribbean, and I’m sure there are going to be many more first time olympians for other countries. |
https://sports.inquirer.net/526571/klay-thompson-to-give-playing-for-the-bahamas-serious-consideration |
All the wives want to go to Paris….although I don’t think Klay is married. |
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| oaktown_dimond wrote: | interesting point. like maybe FIBA is kryptonite for superstar NBA players... so they stay away?
there might be something to that.
| Denny_Russo wrote: | The "top" players (extremely subjective) bailed because they didn't want to risk the same embarrassment the current "B" or "C" team (their words, not mine) just went through. It would be disastrous for their brand. It's that simple. Ultimately, I think most of them realize that, with the competition being what it currently is, there is a risk of failure. If Serbia made it to the finals without Jokic, what would they do to the USA A-team if Jokic suited up? Jokic is the best player in the world by a decent margin, and he'd strategically cut them up the same way he did to the Lakers or Heat in the postseason. Just something to ponder when bringing up this whole "best players" charade.
And that brings me to the biggest issue- the players and coaching staff don't take it seriously. They see it more as a sabbatical than an actual tournament. I bet you they were more enthralled with the sightseeing and food in Manilla than representing their country. They didn't care enough to play team ball and treated it as a 1 on 1 showcase. I didn't see Kerr changing anything up or holding the players accountable. They legitimately believed the talent alone was enough to get by. Even those Kobe-led olympic teams with some of the GOAT talent wouldn't have closed out Spain if they played with the same level of aloofness the current team did. |
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Y'all are way overthinking it. Been following basketball since the 80s and I know for a fact that there are many on LG that have been following for way longer. All that time, nobody has given a flying F about the FIBA World Championship. Nobody.
Until the 2000s, it was shown on wack channels like NBC Sports. No, not NBA on NBC. I'm talking the crappy cable channel that would regularly include (bleep) like some random track and field event. Newspapers barely covered it other than some token paragraph here and there.
If the public doesn't care, why would the players.
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | Lebron recruiting for the Olympics:
| Quote: | LeBron James, a three-time Olympian, two-time gold medalist, and the NBA’s all-time leading scorer, has so strong an interest in one more Olympics that he is ready to commit for next summer, and has also called multiple stars to essentially recruit them to join him with USAB in Paris, multiple league sources told The Athletic.
James has spoken to Stephen Curry, Kevin Durant, Anthony Davis, Jayson Tatum and Draymond Green, and they are all prepared to commit as well. Separately, Phoenix’s Devin Booker, Portland’s Damian Lillard, Sacramento’s De’Aaron Fox and Dallas’ Kyrie Irving also have serious interest in committing, league sources said |
https://theathletic.com/4849490/2023/09/11/lebron-james-2024-olympics-paris/ |
Draymond instead of JJJ - improvement
Kyrie instead of Ant Man - improvement
KD instead of Kessler - obvious
These adults know what it will take to win games,that i beyond just looking good |
All that, "the world has caught up to the US" talk is gonna get deaded real quick.
Wouldn't be surprised if Jimmy Buckets and Bam join as well since Spo is on the staff.
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I want us to win the Olympic gold medal, especially with all the stuff going on that has made our country look bad. But I don't want it to come at the expense of an increased risk of injury for LeBron and AD. I'm sure Warriors fans feel the same way about Steph.
Let's have our best superstars in their 20s represent our country in Paris. LeBron and AD have already done their patriotic duty in past Olympic games.
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Serious question:
Can Germany/Serbia/Canada beat the lakers? I used lakers because the nuggets are led by 2 foreign players and all lakers players are US National(except Rui), for the sake of argument-FIBA rule
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