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| Denny_Russo wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | E_Wulf420 wrote: | | Any chance they can bring back Ingram? |
I don't think so. As far as I know, Zion will stay with the Pelicans. I don't think the Knicks offer was accepted. If Zion gets his head on straight and acknowledges his weight as a serious problem the Pelicans can be a contender. They were making a run when Zion went down. Their success is predicated on Williamson's health. |
I see the Pels as one of the most dysfunctional franchises in all of sports, which is actually good news for the Lakers. I've never seen a franchise coddle their generational talent as much as the Pels do with Zion, and the NO media doesn't even hold the FO or team accountable. If Zion had to deal with the New York, Boston or LA media, boy would get cooked on the national stage every single day.
I think BI will get frustrated sooner rather than later with the situation there. Griffin says all the right things to the media, but if Cody Zeller was the best the Pels could do to help Ingram, they are done. They are paying CJ 35 million dollars to be a 3rd option on that team, too, so they have little cap flexibility thanks to poor money management. 2 straight years of carrying them without another star or shooting on that team. He'll eventually want to win. He'll keep his options open. Let's hope the bromance with AR and him continues. |
Imagine pairing AD with Ingram. Think we get a combined 90 games from them?
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Denny_Russo wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | E_Wulf420 wrote: | | Any chance they can bring back Ingram? |
I don't think so. As far as I know, Zion will stay with the Pelicans. I don't think the Knicks offer was accepted. If Zion gets his head on straight and acknowledges his weight as a serious problem the Pelicans can be a contender. They were making a run when Zion went down. Their success is predicated on Williamson's health. |
I see the Pels as one of the most dysfunctional franchises in all of sports, which is actually good news for the Lakers. I've never seen a franchise coddle their generational talent as much as the Pels do with Zion, and the NO media doesn't even hold the FO or team accountable. If Zion had to deal with the New York, Boston or LA media, boy would get cooked on the national stage every single day.
I think BI will get frustrated sooner rather than later with the situation there. Griffin says all the right things to the media, but if Cody Zeller was the best the Pels could do to help Ingram, they are done. They are paying CJ 35 million dollars to be a 3rd option on that team, too, so they have little cap flexibility thanks to poor money management. 2 straight years of carrying them without another star or shooting on that team. He'll eventually want to win. He'll keep his options open. Let's hope the bromance with AR and him continues. |
Imagine pairing AD with Ingram. Think we get a combined 90 games from them? |
Right!?!! We can call them Kawhi and Paul.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Denny_Russo wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | E_Wulf420 wrote: | | Any chance they can bring back Ingram? |
I don't think so. As far as I know, Zion will stay with the Pelicans. I don't think the Knicks offer was accepted. If Zion gets his head on straight and acknowledges his weight as a serious problem the Pelicans can be a contender. They were making a run when Zion went down. Their success is predicated on Williamson's health. |
I see the Pels as one of the most dysfunctional franchises in all of sports, which is actually good news for the Lakers. I've never seen a franchise coddle their generational talent as much as the Pels do with Zion, and the NO media doesn't even hold the FO or team accountable. If Zion had to deal with the New York, Boston or LA media, boy would get cooked on the national stage every single day.
I think BI will get frustrated sooner rather than later with the situation there. Griffin says all the right things to the media, but if Cody Zeller was the best the Pels could do to help Ingram, they are done. They are paying CJ 35 million dollars to be a 3rd option on that team, too, so they have little cap flexibility thanks to poor money management. 2 straight years of carrying them without another star or shooting on that team. He'll eventually want to win. He'll keep his options open. Let's hope the bromance with AR and him continues. |
Imagine pairing AD with Ingram. Think we get a combined 90 games from them? |
Ya that's a fair point and my one and only gripe with Ingram (ignoring his defensive woes). Just like with AD, he has to look outside the box to address the injury concerns. The NBA trainers / medical staff aren't cutting it. They are like the firemen dealing with the fire, but not really helping him get better.
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Will he sacrifice money then? Because that's what it will take
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If Giannis leaves it'll be because the Bucks are in the repeater and never ducked the tax to prepare for his free agency.
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Bird rights holders have a much bigger monetary advantage now when it comes to retaining stars, especially when they're eligible for the supermax.
I will say that I don't think the Bucks are set up well for the future. None of the main supporting players around Giannis are young. Khris, Jrue, and BroLo are 32, 33, and 35 respectively. Bobby Portis is 28, but you probably don't want him high on the pecking order on a contending team.
I hope the Lakers handle the star chase better than in 2019. Definitely chase the biggest star, but don't chase too long to the point where the other options sign somewhere else. |
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I always knew Darvin Ham was a Giannis hire.
Rob is obviously playing 5-D chess.
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| LakerFan1987 wrote: | https://twitter.com/taniaganguli/status/1694818388990710079?s=20
Well well... Giannis it is! |
| Quote: | He is halfway to his goal of playing 20 N.B.A. seasons, and he said he would like to spend them with one team, the way Dirk Nowitzki, Kobe Bryant and Tim Duncan did.
“But at the end of the day, being a winner, it’s over that goal,” he said. “Winning a championship comes first. I don’t want to be 20 years on the same team and don’t win another championship.” |
| Quote: | In a few weeks, he will be eligible for a three-year extension worth about $173 million, but he doesn’t plan to sign one just yet. “The real question’s not going to be this year — numbers wise it doesn’t make sense,” Giannis Antetokounmpo said. “But next year, next summer it would make more sense for both parties. Even then, I don’t know.” He added: “I would not be the best version of myself if I don’t know that everybody’s on the same page, everybody’s going for a championship, everybody’s going to sacrifice time away from their family like I do. And if I don’t feel that, I’m not signing.”
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If it's the summer of 2024 and Giannis doesn't sign the extension, what do you do if you're Milwaukee? Are you looking to trade him? Resign Jrue and ride it out one more year into free agency?
If it's trade, what does that package look like? You have to assume with one year on his deal, Giannis has a major say in where he goes. If you're the destination of choice, what kind of package gets the Bucks to sign off? |
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What kind of package can we offer? One of 2024/2025 picks, 2029, and whatever we have on the roster then. It would take Reaves to make them consider, plus probably Christie, Schifino, Lewis too. And then, do they take such a package when someone else could offer more? We probably don't get him in a trade and honestly, I don't want to lose Reaves. At that salary, he's an asset next to 2 max guys
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| Japago wrote: | Bird rights holders have a much bigger monetary advantage now when it comes to retaining stars, especially when they're eligible for the supermax.
I will say that I don't think the Bucks are set up well for the future. None of the main supporting players around Giannis are young. Khris, Jrue, and BroLo are 32, 33, and 35 respectively. Bobby Portis is 28, but you probably don't want him high on the pecking order on a contending team.
I hope the Lakers handle the star chase better than in 2019. Definitely chase the biggest star, but don't chase too long to the point where the other options sign somewhere else. |
The supermax is irrelevant at that point. Any team will be able to offer him 35% of the cap. The Bucks can offer an extra year and slightly higher raises which may or not make a difference to him.
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| GOODRICH25 wrote: | | What kind of package can we offer? One of 2024/2025 picks, 2029, and whatever we have on the roster then. It would take Reaves to make them consider, plus probably Christie, Schifino, Lewis too. And then, do they take such a package when someone else could offer more? We probably don't get him in a trade and honestly, I don't want to lose Reaves. At that salary, he's an asset next to 2 max guys |
Yeah you absolutely do not include Reaves in a package. Rui and Gabe will still be under contract. Christie would have to be a S&T. Same with Vando. DLO has a player option. The 2031 pick should open up by then too. If Lebron leaves that frees up a lot of cap-space so salary-matching becomes a non-issue. It would take some AD-level posturing from Giannis though IMO to get him here via trade. Even with the AD trade it required some established blue chip talent (BI and, to a lesser degree, Lonzo). Rui taking a major leap is the closest we have to that.
Here's a crazy thought though. If Lebron leaves and DLO opts out, you could sign a MAX like Pascal to free agency, use the room MLE (8+ million), and then send out Rui, Gabe, the picks and some combo of MaxC S&T/Vando S&T/JHS/MaxL for Giannis. It's an awkward fit in the frontcourt but that's a good problem to have. I'll put the pipe down now.
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| gng930 wrote: | | GOODRICH25 wrote: | | What kind of package can we offer? One of 2024/2025 picks, 2029, and whatever we have on the roster then. It would take Reaves to make them consider, plus probably Christie, Schifino, Lewis too. And then, do they take such a package when someone else could offer more? We probably don't get him in a trade and honestly, I don't want to lose Reaves. At that salary, he's an asset next to 2 max guys |
Yeah you absolutely do not include Reaves in a package. Rui and Gabe will still be under contract. Christie would have to be a S&T. Same with Vando. DLO has a player option. The 2031 pick should open up by then too. If Lebron leaves that frees up a lot of cap-space so salary-matching becomes a non-issue. It would take some AD-level posturing from Giannis though IMO to get him here via trade. Even with the AD trade it required some established blue chip talent (BI and, to a lesser degree, Lonzo). Rui taking a major leap is the closest we have to that.
Here's a crazy thought though. If Lebron leaves and DLO opts out, you could sign a MAX like Pascal to free agency, use the room MLE (8+ million), and then send out Rui, Gabe, the picks and some combo of MaxC S&T/Vando S&T/JHS/MaxL for Giannis. It's an awkward fit in the frontcourt but that's a good problem to have. I'll put the pipe down now. |
That's a good pipe dream to have, but rather have a guard that can shoot and create than Siakam. But would be one heck of a team that we will never see
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| GOODRICH25 wrote: | | gng930 wrote: | | GOODRICH25 wrote: | | What kind of package can we offer? One of 2024/2025 picks, 2029, and whatever we have on the roster then. It would take Reaves to make them consider, plus probably Christie, Schifino, Lewis too. And then, do they take such a package when someone else could offer more? We probably don't get him in a trade and honestly, I don't want to lose Reaves. At that salary, he's an asset next to 2 max guys |
Yeah you absolutely do not include Reaves in a package. Rui and Gabe will still be under contract. Christie would have to be a S&T. Same with Vando. DLO has a player option. The 2031 pick should open up by then too. If Lebron leaves that frees up a lot of cap-space so salary-matching becomes a non-issue. It would take some AD-level posturing from Giannis though IMO to get him here via trade. Even with the AD trade it required some established blue chip talent (BI and, to a lesser degree, Lonzo). Rui taking a major leap is the closest we have to that.
Here's a crazy thought though. If Lebron leaves and DLO opts out, you could sign a MAX like Pascal to free agency, use the room MLE (8+ million), and then send out Rui, Gabe, the picks and some combo of MaxC S&T/Vando S&T/JHS/MaxL for Giannis. It's an awkward fit in the frontcourt but that's a good problem to have. I'll put the pipe down now. |
That's a good pipe dream to have, but rather have a guard that can shoot and create than Siakam. But would be one heck of a team that we will never see |
Reaves-Max-Mikal Bridges (DLo/Gabe $)-Rui-AD
Then still have Bron $, MLE to round up the team
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How is Milwaukee going to get better? They aren’t a free agent destination.. Jrue and Middleton are just getting closer to the downside, although they are both still great players.. no young players in the pipeline.
I don’t see it.
I’ve seen this story before. This is the first step in a complicated break up, IMO.
He wants to leave without being hated. He had no choice because Milwaukee could no longer win.
Now, if they win again this upcoming season, I suppose all bets are off.
The owner did sell his share of the team last season.. just saying. |
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| Reds622 wrote: | How is Milwaukee going to get better? They aren’t a free agent destination.. Jrue and Middleton are just getting closer to the downside, although they are both still great players.. no young players in the pipeline.
I don’t see it.
I’ve seen this story before. This is the first step in a complicated break up, IMO.
He wants to leave without being hated. He had no choice because Milwaukee could no longer win.
Now, if they win again this upcoming season, I suppose all bets are off.
The owner did sell his share of the team last season.. just saying. |
Yeah they’re pretty locked into this squad which is very good but may not be good enough. Their trade assets are old and they’ve got a lot of bill left to pay from the Holiday trade. Swaps in 24 and 26 and unprotected 1sts in 25 and 27. They’ve got their 1sts from 2028 on which is probably their best bet to land a significant player, but those are risky picks to give up when you could very well be in a rebuild.
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A Bucks superstar joining the Lakers?
Where have I seen this before? #CAP
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| LakerFan1987 wrote: | Yeah ... jumping forward since Lakers locked in AD and LBJ contract ending in 2025.
There 3 names that just stick out, no order but any of these guys teaming up w/AD and AR would be a dream.
- Jayson Tatum (He'll be eligible for that $300M deal, he'll be only 27)
- Giannis (Bucks old at that point, he'll be 31, wife is a Laker fan)
- Donovan Mitchell (he'll be 29, maybe he wants to go home to NY) |
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Tatum is unlikely to turn down $300m. Even Brown who seems unhappy about the Celtics didn't turn down his massive super max.
Only all-star level players I can see is maybe Donovan Mitchell or Ingram (not sure he wants to return). Giannis at 31, is he going to age well when his game is so dependent on his super athleticism?
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Tatum is unlikely to turn down $300m. Even Brown who seems unhappy about the Celtics didn't turn down his massive super max.
Only all-star level players I can see is maybe Donovan Mitchell or Ingram (not sure he wants to return). Giannis at 31, is he going to age well when his game is so dependent on his super athleticism? |
As an aside, I suspect that the Ohtani situation is going to make players in all sports hesitate before turning down guaranteed money.
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| ocho wrote: | | Reds622 wrote: | How is Milwaukee going to get better? They aren’t a free agent destination.. Jrue and Middleton are just getting closer to the downside, although they are both still great players.. no young players in the pipeline.
I don’t see it.
I’ve seen this story before. This is the first step in a complicated break up, IMO.
He wants to leave without being hated. He had no choice because Milwaukee could no longer win.
Now, if they win again this upcoming season, I suppose all bets are off.
The owner did sell his share of the team last season.. just saying. |
Yeah they’re pretty locked into this squad which is very good but may not be good enough. Their trade assets are old and they’ve got a lot of bill left to pay from the Holiday trade. Swaps in 24 and 26 and unprotected 1sts in 25 and 27. They’ve got their 1sts from 2028 on which is probably their best bet to land a significant player, but those are risky picks to give up when you could very well be in a rebuild. |
They're also one of the three teams in the repeater this year along with GS and LAC. So they're not set up to spend their way out of a competitive hole (which is harder to do now anyway). |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Tatum is unlikely to turn down $300m. Even Brown who seems unhappy about the Celtics didn't turn down his massive super max.
Only all-star level players I can see is maybe Donovan Mitchell or Ingram (not sure he wants to return). Giannis at 31, is he going to age well when his game is so dependent on his super athleticism? |
As an aside, I suspect that the Ohtani situation is going to make players in all sports hesitate before turning down guaranteed money. |
What situation? Ohtaini still getting $500M+ |
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Reds622 wrote: | How is Milwaukee going to get better? They aren’t a free agent destination.. Jrue and Middleton are just getting closer to the downside, although they are both still great players.. no young players in the pipeline.
I don’t see it.
I’ve seen this story before. This is the first step in a complicated break up, IMO.
He wants to leave without being hated. He had no choice because Milwaukee could no longer win.
Now, if they win again this upcoming season, I suppose all bets are off.
The owner did sell his share of the team last season.. just saying. |
Yeah they’re pretty locked into this squad which is very good but may not be good enough. Their trade assets are old and they’ve got a lot of bill left to pay from the Holiday trade. Swaps in 24 and 26 and unprotected 1sts in 25 and 27. They’ve got their 1sts from 2028 on which is probably their best bet to land a significant player, but those are risky picks to give up when you could very well be in a rebuild. |
They're also one of the three teams in the repeater this year along with GS and LAC. So they're not set up to spend their way out of a competitive hole (which is harder to do now anyway). |
Being in the repeater tax in order to try to win a title with Giannis is a good selling point for the Bucks. Especially compared to the Lakers who are avoiding it with Lebron and AD. Would Giannis want to come to a franchise that wouldn’t do everything possible to get him a title? But if he decides to leave the Bucks there will be no shortage of teams who would be willing to spend around him.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Reds622 wrote: | How is Milwaukee going to get better? They aren’t a free agent destination.. Jrue and Middleton are just getting closer to the downside, although they are both still great players.. no young players in the pipeline.
I don’t see it.
I’ve seen this story before. This is the first step in a complicated break up, IMO.
He wants to leave without being hated. He had no choice because Milwaukee could no longer win.
Now, if they win again this upcoming season, I suppose all bets are off.
The owner did sell his share of the team last season.. just saying. |
Yeah they’re pretty locked into this squad which is very good but may not be good enough. Their trade assets are old and they’ve got a lot of bill left to pay from the Holiday trade. Swaps in 24 and 26 and unprotected 1sts in 25 and 27. They’ve got their 1sts from 2028 on which is probably their best bet to land a significant player, but those are risky picks to give up when you could very well be in a rebuild. |
They're also one of the three teams in the repeater this year along with GS and LAC. So they're not set up to spend their way out of a competitive hole (which is harder to do now anyway). |
Being in the repeater tax in order to try to win a title with Giannis is a good selling point for the Bucks. Especially compared to the Lakers who are avoiding it with Lebron and AD. Would Giannis want to come to a franchise that wouldn’t do everything possible to get him a title? But if he decides to leave the Bucks there will be no shortage of teams who would be willing to spend around him. |
I think Giannis is going to make the best forward looking decision for himself at the time he has to make it, regardless of what his team has paid in the past. You look at a team like Phoenix who is spending without limit because they aren't in the repeater, while even Golden St and the Clips made cost cutting moves and stayed out of free agency. Things only get more punitive next summer with the 2nd apron. Having a well managed cap is becoming almost as important as having a competitive roster when trying to attract stars. |
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Giannis at 31-33 would still be better than Lebron at 37-39. I would easily trade Reaves, Rui, DLO, draft picks etc (gut the team) for Giannis, but easily the Bucks say no.
Whether we realize this or not, with Jeanie/Pelinka, there will be no longterm re-build. If we can trade for Giannis, I can't believe some wouldn't want to part with players like Reaves. Especially at the prospect of getting Giannis at this stage and not 2 years from now.
I like Reaves a lot, he may be my favorite player on the team at the moment, but when you have a player like Giannis, you make everyone on this current Lakers roster available - not that the Bucks would likely take any deal at this point in time.
I know the WB trade scarred us, but we shouldn't make that blunder marry ourselves to the system that has never won in LA - to overvalue the supporting cast . LA wins by making moves for the absolute best players in the league. Lebron was a top 5 player in 2020, Kobe was a top 5 player in 2008-2010, Shaq/Kobe in 2000-2002 etc. You could argue AD was a top 5 player in 2019-20 and the same for Pau at some point in his Laker career/peak.
If you believe Giannis has even 3 top 5 level years left in the tank, you make that trade if you are the Lakers. Austin Reaves is a hell of a supporting cast member but if there's an opportunity to get Giannis for Reaves, draft picks, supporting cast level players, I can't see why we wouldn't go for it. |
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