video is NSFW but the worst part is edited out--a guy squirting lots of blood from his neck as he stumbles off the ice _________________ http://chickhearn.ytmnd.com/
Not an accident. His leg has no reason coming up like that regardless of the hit. Talked to a guy who has his son in hockey and he was even more adamant about that than me after seeing the vid. So are a lot of other people who played hockey all their lives. Guy probably wasn't intending the worst, but he intended something with the leg lift and now he better end up suffering the consequences.
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2023 4:34 pm Post subject:
lakersken80 wrote:
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I didn't watch the video but how come we didn't have wall to wall coverage about this?
Because it was in the UK?
Yeah, not a known player playing in a euro league. No reason this would be huge news here in the states. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
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I just couldn't... it was really hard to watch. That poor guy, may he RIP. I am not sure is a freak accident but police are investigating. I never realized how dangerous hockey is. Maybe they will consider some kind of protection for their necks from now on.
I just couldn't... it was really hard to watch. That poor guy, may he RIP. I am not sure is a freak accident but police are investigating. I never realized how dangerous hockey is. Maybe they will consider some kind of protection for their necks from now on.
I remember something like this happened in the NHL, difference was the medical personnel were quick to react to save the player. The incident I remembered was back in 2008 and the player in question was Richard Zedník. Apparently it happened a couple of times in the NHL but none of them were fatalities.
I just couldn't... it was really hard to watch. That poor guy, may he RIP. I am not sure is a freak accident but police are investigating. I never realized how dangerous hockey is. Maybe they will consider some kind of protection for their necks from now on.
My friend with the kid in hockey says he makes him wear a shirt that has Kevlar around the neck to try and avoid it. Obviously wouldn't be perfect but better than nothing.
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Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2023 10:31 am Post subject:
The EIHA wasted no time in addressing this tragedy and will now require neck guards. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
I just couldn't... it was really hard to watch. That poor guy, may he RIP. I am not sure is a freak accident but police are investigating. I never realized how dangerous hockey is. Maybe they will consider some kind of protection for their necks from now on.
My friend with the kid in hockey says he makes him wear a shirt that has Kevlar around the neck to try and avoid it. Obviously wouldn't be perfect but better than nothing.
The crazy thing is that this happened a couple of times already in the NHL and various other leagues around the world. Apparently, nobody decided to take action until somebody died.
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Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2023 4:03 pm Post subject:
I remember when Dodger Steve Yeager had his near fatal neck injury as a result of a broken bat. MLB instituted neck guards after that. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
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And everything you built that’s all for show
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In 24 frames
I remember when Dodger Steve Yeager had his near fatal neck injury as a result of a broken bat. MLB instituted neck guards after that.
Yes, I remember that as well.
Yeager also got run over in some of the most brutal home plate collisions of all time, I remember one in particular with Dave Parker running over him literally, _________________ Love, Laker Lanny
Hard for me to decide if it was an accident or not - obviously his intention was not to kill but unless he was tripped it was a very dirty play.
Everyone I know in and around hockey is adamant it was intentional. Also a friend of mine played with the guy who made the hit and said he’s always had a history of being a dirty player and that he deserves what is coming to him
End of the day it won’t bring the young man back to life which is what makes this situation entirely horrific.
Involuntary manslaughter is the main criminal charge at play. It involves unintentionally causing the death of another person as a result of recklessness, negligence or an unlawful act. In these types of cases, the defendant did not intend to kill the person but failed to act with due care, resulting in the unintended death.
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Involuntary manslaughter is the main criminal charge at play. It involves unintentionally causing the death of another person as a result of recklessness, negligence or an unlawful act. In these types of cases, the defendant did not intend to kill the person but failed to act with due care, resulting in the unintended death.
I don’t know what the British standards in regards to what the burden of proving guilt in this type of case are, but that seems like a very difficult conviction to get given the nature of the sport. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
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And everything you built that’s all for show
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Involuntary manslaughter is the main criminal charge at play. It involves unintentionally causing the death of another person as a result of recklessness, negligence or an unlawful act. In these types of cases, the defendant did not intend to kill the person but failed to act with due care, resulting in the unintended death.
I don’t know what the British standards in regards to what the burden of proving guilt in this type of case are, but that seems like a very difficult conviction to get given the nature of the sport.
I don't either but by definition, I understand why the charges may be filed. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
Involuntary manslaughter is the main criminal charge at play. It involves unintentionally causing the death of another person as a result of recklessness, negligence or an unlawful act. In these types of cases, the defendant did not intend to kill the person but failed to act with due care, resulting in the unintended death.
I don’t know what the British standards in regards to what the burden of proving guilt in this type of case are, but that seems like a very difficult conviction to get given the nature of the sport.
It looks like Petgrave intentionally kicked the decedent. While hockey is by nature a violent sport, the kicking motion was unnatural.
Involuntary manslaughter is the main criminal charge at play. It involves unintentionally causing the death of another person as a result of recklessness, negligence or an unlawful act. In these types of cases, the defendant did not intend to kill the person but failed to act with due care, resulting in the unintended death.
I don’t know what the British standards in regards to what the burden of proving guilt in this type of case are, but that seems like a very difficult conviction to get given the nature of the sport.
It looks like Petgrave intentionally kicked the decedent. While hockey is by nature a violent sport, the kicking motion was unnatural.
I don't disagree, it's just going to be hard to prove actual intent given that he was in the act off falling. At least it'd be hard in our courts, which is why I said I don't know what it would be like in a British court, which may have a lower burden of proof. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
Involuntary manslaughter is the main criminal charge at play. It involves unintentionally causing the death of another person as a result of recklessness, negligence or an unlawful act. In these types of cases, the defendant did not intend to kill the person but failed to act with due care, resulting in the unintended death.
I don’t know what the British standards in regards to what the burden of proving guilt in this type of case are, but that seems like a very difficult conviction to get given the nature of the sport.
It looks like Petgrave intentionally kicked the decedent. While hockey is by nature a violent sport, the kicking motion was unnatural.
I don't disagree, it's just going to be hard to prove actual intent given that he was in the act off falling. At least it'd be hard in our courts, which is why I said I don't know what it would be like in a British court, which may have a lower burden of proof.
The quote says unintentional, so it sounds more like a criminal negligence scenario in the US.
I recall seeing 2 clips of that nature in the past in incidents prolly referred to in above posts. A guy got slashed and a large amount of blood instantly splatted onto the ice in front of him. It's not a freak accident when it has happened at least thrice. It's a very rare accident that can happen in any game and has happened before. Paul George's legbreak on the stanchion is more of a freak accident rarity-wise. First and probably only time that'll ever happen (and the league changed all the stanchions after that to give the players more landing room -- a 1x occurrence sparked that). _________________ GOAT MAGIC REEL SEDALE TRIBUTE EDDIE DONX!
Man arrested on suspicion of manslaughter in Adam Johnson's death
A man was arrested on suspicion of manslaughter in the death of former NHL player Adam Johnson, the South Yorkshire (England) Police announced Tuesday.
The arrest comes more than two weeks since police began investigating the incident that led to Johnson's death on Oct. 28. Johnson was playing for the Nottingham Panthers in the Elite Ice Hockey League (EIHL) when his throat was cut by a skate blade during a collision in a Champions Cup game in Sheffield, England, against the Sheffield Steelers. Johnson was 29.
South Yorkshire Police said in a statement that a postmortem examination confirmed Johnson died from a fatal neck injury. The man, whose identity was not released by the police, remains in custody.
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"Our investigation launched immediately following this tragedy and we have been carrying out extensive enquiries ever since to piece together the events which led to the loss of Adam in these unprecedented circumstances," South Yorkshire Chief Superintendent Becs Horsfall said. "We have been speaking to highly specialised experts in their field to assist in our enquiries and continue to work closely with the health and safety department at Sheffield City Council, which is supporting our ongoing investigation."
The player whose skate blade cut Johnson's neck was Matt Petgrave, 31, who plays for Sheffield.
According to The Associated Press, video of the incident showed Johnson skating with the puck toward the Steelers' net. Petgrave skated toward Johnson and collided with another Panthers player, Petgrave's left skate kicked up as he began to fall and the blade hit Johnson in the neck.
Both players landed on the ice, and Petgrave immediately got to his feet. Johnson rose more slowly and was helped off the ice, with his jersey covered in blood. He later died at a local hospital.
Johnson's death has since prompted a number of different leagues throughout the sport to examine their player safety measures when it comes to potentially using neck protection devices.
It started when the English Ice Hockey Association announced two days after Johnson's death that it would make neck guards mandatory starting in 2024 as part of a three-step plan.
NHL general managers convened in Toronto on Tuesday, and cut-resistant equipment -- along with overall protection -- was a hot topic of discussion.
While any mandates at the NHL level would need to be agreed upon by the NHL Players' Association, there have been NHL players who started wearing neck guards at practices and in games.
Johnson's former NHL team, the Pittsburgh Penguins, said it would mandate that its AHL and ECHL affiliates wear neck protection devices. A few days later, the Western Hockey League announced that it would be making neck protection devices mandatory for its players.
NHL vice president of hockey operations Rod Pasma addressed the league's managers Tuesday on what options are available to players looking to upgrade their gear in the wake of Johnson's death.
The actual process of acquiring a variety of protective items has been going on for more than a decade, and Pasma said the NHL is now fully able to deliver just about any gear a player requires.
"As it sits here today, there's plenty of options for the players to wear at any category, whether it be the neck, the wrist, socks, patches," Pasma said. "So, I think that [unknown] element of cut protection has disappeared, meaning if you think something's too hot [to wear], if you think it's too heavy, there's options for you to look at that'll fix those issues."
Pasma said there are already upward of 10 selections in wrist gear and base layers for players to choose from. After Johnson's death, the NHL also ramped up its collection of neck guard apparel, with plans to continue adding more to it.
"We're getting there," Pasma said. "We [didn't] have many a month ago. But as it sits today, I think there's up to eight companies on my desk waiting to be cleared [for use in the league]. And of those eight, there's probably 12 to 14 options to wear."
It's not mandatory for a player to wait on NHL clearance to change gear. Pasma said anyone should "absolutely" wear a neck protection of their choosing and the league will then get that product certified.
At this stage, the NHL has no plans to impose a mandate forcing players to wear anything specific. If the players' association were to request one be invoked down the road, then the league would work with it on such a course of action, Pasma said.
"They're doing their thing behind the scenes and trying to figure out where they stand on it," Pasma said. "Hopefully we'll come together and see what we can come up with."
ESPN's Kristen Shilton and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
I watched the video and honestly I think he intentionally swung his leg up to try and block the other guy, probably not trying to hurt him but just slow him down.
Either way, it is an extremely reckless thing to do and was not his first such offense. I am ok with him being charged with manslaughter here, you simply have to be more under control as sharpened skates are very dangerous if you start waving them around. _________________ Love, Laker Lanny
I watched the video and honestly I think he intentionally swung his leg up to try and block the other guy, probably not trying to hurt him but just slow him down.
I don't watch hockey at all. Has this ever been done this way by anyone?
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