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LongBeachPoly
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| Quote: | Sources: Royals retain Michael Wacha on 3-year, $51M deal
Wacha, 33, was expected to opt out of the final year of the two-year, $32 million deal he signed with the Royals last winter but preferred to stay in Kansas City, where he thrived in front of one of baseball's best defensive teams.
Kansas City likely would have tendered Wacha a qualifying offer, which would have dampened his free agent market, and the sides struck a deal during the five-day quiet period after the World Series during which teams can re-sign their free-agents-to-be. Wacha will nearly double his career earnings with the deal. |
I think this is a good baseline for Flaherty |
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | | Quote: | Sources: Royals retain Michael Wacha on 3-year, $51M deal
Wacha, 33, was expected to opt out of the final year of the two-year, $32 million deal he signed with the Royals last winter but preferred to stay in Kansas City, where he thrived in front of one of baseball's best defensive teams.
Kansas City likely would have tendered Wacha a qualifying offer, which would have dampened his free agent market, and the sides struck a deal during the five-day quiet period after the World Series during which teams can re-sign their free-agents-to-be. Wacha will nearly double his career earnings with the deal. |
I think this is a good baseline for Flaherty |
It probably depends on Flaherty's medicals. |
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LongBeachPoly
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | LongBeachPoly wrote: | | Quote: | Sources: Royals retain Michael Wacha on 3-year, $51M deal
Wacha, 33, was expected to opt out of the final year of the two-year, $32 million deal he signed with the Royals last winter but preferred to stay in Kansas City, where he thrived in front of one of baseball's best defensive teams.
Kansas City likely would have tendered Wacha a qualifying offer, which would have dampened his free agent market, and the sides struck a deal during the five-day quiet period after the World Series during which teams can re-sign their free-agents-to-be. Wacha will nearly double his career earnings with the deal. |
I think this is a good baseline for Flaherty |
It probably depends on Flaherty's medicals. |
Does the offer come before or after the medicals?
I always thought the offers came before the team gets to see the medicals. Then if the player fails the medical the team can rescind their offer, like Correa. |
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| did they sign roki sasaki yet? |
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| lakersfan32 wrote: | | did they sign roki sasaki yet? |
Speak of the devil, I was coming in here to post this...
Francys Romero
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Roki Sasaki has declined an offer from the Chiba Lotte Marines, per sources.
The situation of the 23-year-old ace remains uncertain. One possibility is being posted to sign with an MLB team, while another is continuing negotiations with the Marines.
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The giddiness I would feel if we signed this man! No, not as much as when we signed Ohtani, and no, not as much as when we won the World Series, but it would be such a coup for the best team in baseball to sign a pitcher that, on paper, is better and younger than Yamamoto is. And oh, did I mention that he would have to sign a minor league contract and would cost us next to nothing for 4 years? |
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | LongBeachPoly wrote: | | Quote: | Sources: Royals retain Michael Wacha on 3-year, $51M deal
Wacha, 33, was expected to opt out of the final year of the two-year, $32 million deal he signed with the Royals last winter but preferred to stay in Kansas City, where he thrived in front of one of baseball's best defensive teams.
Kansas City likely would have tendered Wacha a qualifying offer, which would have dampened his free agent market, and the sides struck a deal during the five-day quiet period after the World Series during which teams can re-sign their free-agents-to-be. Wacha will nearly double his career earnings with the deal. |
I think this is a good baseline for Flaherty |
It probably depends on Flaherty's medicals. |
Does the offer come before or after the medicals?
I always thought the offers came before the team gets to see the medicals. Then if the player fails the medical the team can rescind their offer, like Correa. |
I'm not sure if Correa's issue was something new or if it was something that teams were already aware of. But in general, if a player has an issue that teams already know about, then teams in negotiations with the player can usually have access to his medicals, i the player's representation is okay with it. It's pretty well known that the Yankees backed out of a trade for him because of a a medical issue, thought to be related to his back. So I would think that any team that's making him an offer would want to have access to those records. And if his representation declines that, then that would be pretty telling. And obviously, the Yankees had access to them because a trade was imminent. |
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LongBeachPoly
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Sure,
But this is all known already. And it’s the exact same thing that happened to Correa.
Correa had prior issues with his ankles, Boras let the SF Giants know. Sent them the medicals (according to Boras). SF offered Correa a huge deal, then had him tested.
He failed the test, so they backed out.
Boras went to the Mets. Sent them the same medicals. They agreed to the deal, then he failed the Mets’ physical again.
So they tried again with the Twins. Sent them the medicals, they gave him an offer. This time, he passed their physical.
So, everything is pretty much out there for Flaherty. He failed the Yankees’
physical, but he passed the Dodgers’ physical.
I don’t think he’ll be taking any new physicals since the Dodgers one. And he passed the Dodgers physical.
So yeah, it does depend on how teams view his medicals, but that’s always the case. It’s not just Flaherty. It’s for every pitcher out there.
Flaherty didn’t have red flags until the Yankees raised the reg flags. And I think it has to do with their trading for Montas. That blew up in their face. Also, the Rodon signing. I think now they’re just extra cautious.
The Dodgers lookd at the same medicals and they were ok with Flaherty.
Also, he made 29 starts last yr n 28 starts this yr. So whatever is the red flag, he seems pretty durable on the field:
| Quote: | Flaherty, 28, missed a start with a lower back issue in early July and received two injections. He had shoulder trouble in both 2021 and 2022, though Flaherty has not missed a start with an arm issue since. Medical reviews are subjective. One team's red flag could be another team's non-issue. Obviously the Dodgers were fine with Flaherty's medicals.
| Quote: | | "I can't comment on medical stuff with trades as a general point," Tigers president Scott Harris said Tuesday following the trade (via the Detroit Free Press). "And if medical stuff did affect any of the trades, that's not on our end. You can't ask me about that because we're not the one trading for Jack, so not commenting on any of that stuff because I can't." |
Two years ago, the Yankees acquired Frankie Montas at the deadline after he'd missed a few starts with shoulder inflammation in July. They signed off on his medicals, then he struggled down the stretch, and required surgery the next spring that sidelined him just about the entire season. It's possible New York scrutinizes medicals more closely after Montas.
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The "passing a physical" terminology is interesting because a guy may pass one team's physical and not pass another team's physical. Sounds to me like teams know there's an issue, they look at it, and they can choose whether or not to accept the risk. The Yankees didn't want to accept the risk and we did, with Flaherty.
Now, as far as what he gets as a free agent, it's basically the same thing. Some teams may be more comfortable than others with whatever his specific issue is. Essentially, it only takes two teams to create any sort of bidding war and to drive up the price. |
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Any thoughts on pursuing a guy like Steven Kwan for LF? Personality-wise, he'd fit in.
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| nevitt_smrek wrote: | | Any thoughts on pursuing a guy like Steven Kwan for LF? Personality-wise, he'd fit in. |
He's not eligible for free agency until after the 2027 season, so Cleveland still has 3 years of club control on him. Also doesn't seem like the type of player we pursue as a contact-oriented hitter with no power. |
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| Also, to follow up on Sasaki, apparently his Japanese club (Chiba Lotte) would only receive a posting fee of approximately $2MM if he's posted this winter. Apparently that figure would be monumentally higher if they wait until 2026. I guess I won't hold my breath, but maybe Sasaki will try to cause such a stink behind the scenes that they'll cave. |
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Yeah didn’t make sense to me re: his contract “maybe” having an opt out.
I don’t remember the exact story, but I remember that he really wanted to be posted last year and “maybe” he had an opt out clause.
To me, either you do or you don’t, there is no maybe. If he had one, the story would be: Roki Sasaki WILL opt out and get posted…
So I was always skeptical of the story that maybe he had an opt out. It’s clear now that he doesn’t have one.
Speak of the devil, there's new news now on Sasaki:
| Quote: | Francys Romero
@francysromeroFR
Roki Sasaki has declined an offer from the Chiba Lotte Marines, per sources.
The situation of the 23-year-old ace remains uncertain. One possibility is being posted to sign with an MLB team, while another is continuing negotiations with the Marines.
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Wonder what power he has now. Seems like he can't be a free agent and just leave to the US. He still has to be posted by a Japanese team. But, he has no contract right now. So what does this mean? |
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Here's an update of our 40-man roster. Looks like we have 39 players already (assuming we don't non-tender anyone and Kershaw comes back like he says he will):
| Quote: | https://dodgersdigest.com/2024/11/04/resetting-the-40-man-roster-for-the-2024-world-series-champion-los-angeles-dodgers/
(12) Under contract:
1) Mookie Betts ($30.417 million)
2) Ryan Brasier ($4.5 million)
3) Tommy Edman ($9.5 million)
4) Freddie Freeman ($27 million)
5) Tyler Glasnow ($32.5 million)
6) Max Muncy ($14.5 million)
7) Shohei Ohtani ($46.077 million)
8) Will Smith ($16 million)
9) Chris Taylor ($13 million)
10) Yoshinobu Yamamoto ($18.333 million)
11) Austin Barnes – ($3.5 million team option)
12) Miguel Rojas – ($5 million team option)
(1) Player Option:
13) Clayton Kershaw – ($10 million player option + performance bonuses)
(9) Arbitration-eligible:
14) Tony Gonsolin (Arb3, est: ~$5.4 million)
15) Dustin May (Arb3, est: ~$2.135 million)
16) Michael Kopech (Arb3, est: ~$5.2 million)
17) Brusdar Graterol (Arb 3, est: ~$2.7 million)
18) Evan Phillips (Arb 3, est: ~$6.2 million)
19) Gavin Lux (Arb 2, est: ~$2.7 million)
20) Alex Vesia (Arb 2, est: ~$1.9 million)
21) Anthony Banda (Arb 1, est: ~$1.1 million)
22) Connor Brogdon (Arb1, est: ~$800,000)
(17) Pre-Arbitration/Minor Leagues:
23) Diego Cartaya
24) Ben Casparius
25) Hunter Feduccia
26) Nick Frasso
27) Michael Grove
28) Edgardo Henriquez
29) Brent Honeywell Jr.
30) Kyle Hurt
31) Landon Knack
32) Bobby Miller
33) James Outman
34) Andy Pages
35) River Ryan
36) Emmet Sheehan
37) Gavin Stone
38) Justin Wrobleski
39) Zach Logue
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And to answer an earlier question of why they didn't bring up Rushing, this is why.
He's not currently on the 40 man roster right now. He's not even Rule 5 eligible this year. So it's just one less headache for us. Our roster is so full right now and we still have to deal with the Rule 5 draft, plus free agency.
Luckily, looks like we don't have that many (if any) top prospects to protect from the Rule 5 draft.
Here are our (6) pending free agents (Kiermeier and Hudson are retiring):
| Quote: | (6) Pending free-agents:
40) Walker Buehler
41) Jack Flaherty
42) Enrique Hernandez
43) Teoscar Hernandez
44) Joe Kelly
45) Blake Treinen |
Yeah, we're going to have to make some trades to clear up a few roster spots.
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One dude whose roster spot is on shaky ground is Zach Logue. Don't even remember picking him up or him being on the team. Had to look him up:
| Quote: | Zach Logue
On September 12, 2024, Logue signed a minor league contract with the Los Angeles Dodgers and was assigned to the Triple–A Oklahoma City Baseball Club.
After pitching three innings in one game in Oklahoma City, Logue had his contract purchased and he was added to the Dodgers' active roster on September 18.
He pitched two innings in the majors, allowing four earned runs. |
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It's starting to sink in that this will be the last yr of Chris Taylor's horrendous contract!
Chris Taylor is basically our Bobby Bonilla! |
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| Quote: | Yankees View Pete Alonso As Backup Plan To Juan Soto
The New York Yankees want to re-sign Juan Soto, who will have numerous suitors on the free agent market.
According to a report, the Yankees view Pete Alonso as a "prime backup plan" if they are unable to re-sign Soto. |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2024 9:38 am Post subject: |
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| Eovaldi officially opted out of his contract with the Rangers and is now a free agent. |
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| Thanks for the explanation LBP. So I guess my question now would be why was Feduccia added to the 40 man over Rushing? Also I assume if a player goes down with a season ending injury then another can be added to the 40 man. |
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| aprevo15 wrote: | | Thanks for the explanation LBP. So I guess my question now would be why was Feduccia added to the 40 man over Rushing? Also I assume if a player goes down with a season ending injury then another can be added to the 40 man. |
It’s cuz of the Rule 5 draft.
Once u sign/draft a player, u have like 4-5 yrs before u have to add them to the 40 man roster. If u don’t then other teams can pluck them at the annual Rule 5 draft.
So, every yr we have to add players who become eligible. Feduccia was drafted in 2018. Rushing in 2022.
So we had to add Feduccia to the 40 man before Rushing. I don’t know when Rushing has to be added, since he was drafted in 2022. Probably 2025 or 2026.
But usually we wait until the very end when we have to add a prospect to the 40 man roster. This way we leave spots open on the 40 man.
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Re: injury and the 40 man:
During the season, once a player goes on the IL, it opens up a spot on the 40 man. This is why teams come up with fake IL injuries, so they can open up a spot.
But once the season ends, everybody on the IL (May, Gonsolin, River Ryan, etc.) goes back on the 40 man roster.
So that’s why you have a roster crunch in the offseason. Once Spring Training starts, u can put players back on the IL n create more roster spots. This is one reason why we wait until Spring Training starts to sign players.
I think that’s what happened to Peralta, and maybe Teo as well.
At the end of the season, we had (7) players on the IL. They’ll be added to the 40-man soon, if not already:
| Quote: | 1) Brogdon
2) Glasnow
3) Gonsolin
4) May
5) River Ryan
6) Sheehan
7) Stone |
And once Spring Training 2025 starts (or when pitchers have to report), most if not all will be added back to the IL to open up (7) roster spots. |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2024 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| Awesome. Thanks LBP. |
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Thx for asking cuz it helps me to learn as well as I look things up for clarity.
For instance, I just found this out:
| Quote: | - Players first signed at age 18 or younger must be added to 40-man rosters within five seasons or they become eligible to be drafted by other organizations through the Rule 5 process.
- Players signed at 19 years or older have to be protected within four seasons.
| Quote: | For this year [Dec 2023], that means:
- An international or high school Draft pick signed in 2019 had to be protected.
- A college player taken in the 2020 Draft was in the same position. |
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I always thought it was a 4-5 year rule.
But it tuns out to be a 4-5 season rule. (Which pretty much means a 3-4 year rule).
And since the draft is held in June, the prospects play right away after the draft and that counts as 1 season.
So, Rushing was drafted in 2022. He was over 19, so he has 4 seasons before we have to add him to the 40 man roster. He’s played 3 seasons so far: (2022, 2023, 2024).
So he’ll have to be added to the 40-man roster by the 2025 Rule 5 draft (Dec 2025).
So yeah, thx for asking! |
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Mets extended QO's to both Manaea and Severino. Manaea will certainly decline it, but Severino might have some interest in accepting a large one-year payday if his market isn't what he had hoped. He's really been oft-injured, and while he was pretty good last season, he was hardly great, with a 3.91 ERA/4.21 FIP, 1.24 WHIP, and 8 K's per 9 innings. I could see him choosing to stay for another year and collect the $21.05MM QO.
Jon Heyman also tweeted that the Yankees and Gerrit Cole are nearing a positive resolution to where he will continue with them; they pushed back the deadline on what to do with his contract to later today, so I assume that the two sides are working towards some sort of a revised deal, perhaps to add total money onto his deal while adding more years, perhaps to lower the luxury tax hit, but we'll find out soon enough.
EDIT: Jeff Passan just tweeted that Cole is remaining with the Yankees on the same deal that he opted out of, with a remaining 4 years and $144MM. The parties will still talk and try to work out a different extension. So it's basically like he never opted out. |
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| Quote: | Teoscar Hernández got a qualifying offer from the Dodgers, as
@JeffPassan said. That's it for them, so no qualifying offer for Walker Buehler. |
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| 32 wrote: | | Quote: | Teoscar Hernández got a qualifying offer from the Dodgers, as
@JeffPassan said. That's it for them, so no qualifying offer for Walker Buehler. |
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Still hoping we work out a deal with both guys. |
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| DuncanIdaho wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Quote: | Teoscar Hernández got a qualifying offer from the Dodgers, as
@JeffPassan said. That's it for them, so no qualifying offer for Walker Buehler. |
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Still hoping we work out a deal with both guys. |
I'm assuming the QO is just a formality right?
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| jonnybravo wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Quote: | Teoscar Hernández got a qualifying offer from the Dodgers, as
@JeffPassan said. That's it for them, so no qualifying offer for Walker Buehler. |
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Still hoping we work out a deal with both guys. |
I'm assuming the QO is just a formality right? |
Pretty much....its to say if we lose this player, we want draft compensation. Usually players offered Qualifying Offers, never accept because they almost assuredly can find better deals out in the free agents market |
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