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| aprevo15 wrote: | | We're not even going to win our division now. Wild card here we come. |
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Joe Kelly has been kinda useless his entire tenure with us.
We’ve paid him alot though. |
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This team should be able to top 84 wins which is what the NL champion had last year.
That alone shows the new playoff format is stupid. |
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Steve007
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| aprevo15 wrote: | | We're not even going to win our division now. Wild card here we come. |
For the first time I might be hoping the top seeds get too much rest IF this Dodger team can get by the first round of the playoffs. Which could happen as this team wouldn’t face one of the top 2 seeds in the first round.
So this team just needs to beat a good team (but not one of the best teams), beat a top 2 seed that gets a stupid amount of rest, then carry that momentum into the championship series.
Because of this stupidity I’m not as bummed about the division slipping away. I would hate for that to be a new habit though (not winning the division anymore). |
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Steve007
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| It’s also a crime that Ohtani isn’t playing on a better team. Where would this team be without him? |
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The team is without its most valuable player, a hundred RBI dude, and about a league's worth of pitchers.
And the world is ending for some. Get a grip.
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| ribeye wrote: | The team is without its most valuable player, a hundred RBI dude, and about a league's worth of pitchers.
And the world is ending for some. Get a grip. |
I'll tell you what dismays me, rib. And LBP has talked about this and I must say, I agree with it. And that is, this team simply shows no sense of urgency. Ever. Even Will Smith recently said, and I'm paraphrasing: "We'll be fine. We're the Dodgers." Yeah, we have a lot of guys injured. In your mind, do you think management did enough to try to patch holes? Do you think any urgency was shown? I mean, look at the lineups we've fielded for weeks and weeks on end. Cavan Biggio was the best we could do?!?! And oh by the way, our dope of a manager was regularly starting Biggio over Rosario. You know, the guy who is hitting .300 who can barely get on the field for us. But no, let's keep starting the terrible player that we DFA'd instead. Great work!
We traded just one of our top 15 prospects this deadline season. We could have done much, much more to improve this team. Even the guy we're apparently counting on in CF, Edman, has not played at all this season so there's risk in that, too. |
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ribeye
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On the positive side, more on Freddie, Max, and family, with a great family pic, and of note that the Dodgers wore #MaxStrong shirts during warm ups.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IFGIUyH49T0?feature=share
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | The team is without its most valuable player, a hundred RBI dude, and about a league's worth of pitchers.
And the world is ending for some. Get a grip. |
I'll tell you what dismays me, rib. And LBP has talked about this and I must say, I agree with it. And that is, this team simply shows no sense of urgency. Ever. Even Will Smith recently said, and I'm paraphrasing: "We'll be fine. We're the Dodgers." Yeah, we have a lot of guys injured. In your mind, do you think management did enough to try to patch holes? Do you think any urgency was shown? I mean, look at the lineups we've fielded for weeks and weeks on end. Cavan Biggio was the best we could do?!?! And oh by the way, our dope of a manager was regularly starting Biggio over Rosario. You know, the guy who is hitting .300 who can barely get on the field for us. But no, let's keep starting the terrible player that we DFA'd instead. Great work!
We traded just one of our top 15 prospects this deadline season. We could have done much, much more to improve this team. Even the guy we're apparently counting on in CF, Edman, has not played at all this season so there's risk in that, too. |
And yet, they're still in first. What is it that most complain about--three guesses and the first two don't count. I really think that the Dodgers are most aware of said concern and are trying to position themselves to be healthy and playing good ball come playoffs. Regardless, there are no guarantees in baseball in any short series, as, just as they've failed in recent years, a far less competitive team in 1988, with their best position player on the bench except for that one at bat, won it all.
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aprevo15
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| ribeye wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | The team is without its most valuable player, a hundred RBI dude, and about a league's worth of pitchers.
And the world is ending for some. Get a grip. |
I'll tell you what dismays me, rib. And LBP has talked about this and I must say, I agree with it. And that is, this team simply shows no sense of urgency. Ever. Even Will Smith recently said, and I'm paraphrasing: "We'll be fine. We're the Dodgers." Yeah, we have a lot of guys injured. In your mind, do you think management did enough to try to patch holes? Do you think any urgency was shown? I mean, look at the lineups we've fielded for weeks and weeks on end. Cavan Biggio was the best we could do?!?! And oh by the way, our dope of a manager was regularly starting Biggio over Rosario. You know, the guy who is hitting .300 who can barely get on the field for us. But no, let's keep starting the terrible player that we DFA'd instead. Great work!
We traded just one of our top 15 prospects this deadline season. We could have done much, much more to improve this team. Even the guy we're apparently counting on in CF, Edman, has not played at all this season so there's risk in that, too. |
And yet, they're still in first. What is it that most complain about--three guesses and the first two don't count. I really think that the Dodgers are most aware of said concern and are trying to position themselves to be healthy and playing good ball come playoffs. Regardless, there are no guarantees in baseball in any short series, as, just as they've failed in recent years, a far less competitive team in 1988, with their best position player on the bench except for that one at bat, won it all. |
Both of you make excellent points.
The reason why I feel like the world is ending is because of our pitching. In the past we lost games and playoff games because our bats went cold. This year we are blowing 4+ run leads and when our relievers come in, there's never a clean inning. Either we give up some runs, lose leads, or at minimum we are always putting a runner on base. Even if Mookie comes back and he is at his MVP level, I feel like our pitching will just give up any runs our bats put up.
Only hopes that are keeping me invested in this team right now is that it is still a bit early and we still have time to figure this out and like Ribeye mentioned, there are no guarantees in a short series so basically it's a crap shoot. A worst team in baseball can have few good games and win a series. |
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aprevo15
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| Steve007 wrote: | | aprevo15 wrote: | | We're not even going to win our division now. Wild card here we come. |
For the first time I might be hoping the top seeds get too much rest IF this Dodger team can get by the first round of the playoffs. Which could happen as this team wouldn’t face one of the top 2 seeds in the first round.
So this team just needs to beat a good team (but not one of the best teams), beat a top 2 seed that gets a stupid amount of rest, then carry that momentum into the championship series.
Because of this stupidity I’m not as bummed about the division slipping away. I would hate for that to be a new habit though (not winning the division anymore). |
I thought of this scenario as well. I mean our past 2 years in the post season shows that too much rest can hurt. Not just us but the Braves also. But what if this is the first year the teams with rest figures out how to stay motivated. LOL. I'm such a negative person. LOL |
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| We will be fine. I am ok with a 3 game lead after everything we have gone through. It’s not ideal but it could have been worse. Padres are extremely streaky and they will plummet the same way they rose. The worst is behind us and we still have a lead. Just have to take care of business as our guys return slowly. |
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LongBeachPoly
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| Snipes wrote: | | We will be fine. I am ok with a 3 game lead after everything we have gone through. It’s not ideal but it could have been worse. Padres are extremely streaky and they will plummet the same way they rose. The worst is behind us and we still have a lead. Just have to take care of business as our guys return slowly. |
This is the same attitude Roberts, Will Smith and the rest of the team gives off.
Everything will be ok, no worries.
Other teams play with a sense of urgency. We approach everything with zero urgency at all.
PS - not criticizing it from a fans POV, but I dislike it when the team takes this approach. |
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I hate this team and I think we will look back and say this was the greatest wasted decade ever. Perpetually on the cusp and yet Friedman et al just cannot execute and get us over the hump. One failure, fine. Two? Baseball’s hard. We are coming up on our 7th failure in 8 years. It’s something in the water. I think personally it’s Roberts and his almost zero feel for the game as it happens and his rah rah well get em next time mentality. Doesn’t help all our players are very well fed and accomplished—does an extra ring really do anything for any of them? This isn’t basketball. No one holds zero rings against you. No guts, no fire. Arrogant, pompous, ran by nerds.
I don’t want to hear (bleep) about injuries. Everyone’s injured all the time. We have a (bleep) stacked farm—we promote the wrong guys and don’t trade the right ones at the right times. We plug our gaping holes with losers like Cavan Biggio and run experiments like Muncy and CT3 into the ground. We still haven’t gotten Smith a backup catcher in five years and we’ve functionally destroyed his bat as a result (does anyone other than ChickenStu realize how absolutely awful Will Smith has been for the majority of this season?).
Maybe it’s just how the Dodgers are. Dem bums, boys of summer, etc. a cursed franchise doomed to be the bridesmaid. |
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DuncanIdaho
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| Cutheon wrote: | I hate this team and I think we will look back and say this was the greatest wasted decade ever. Perpetually on the cusp and yet Friedman et al just cannot execute and get us over the hump. One failure, fine. Two? Baseball’s hard. We are coming up on our 7th failure in 8 years. It’s something in the water. I think personally it’s Roberts and his almost zero feel for the game as it happens and his rah rah well get em next time mentality. Doesn’t help all our players are very well fed and accomplished—does an extra ring really do anything for any of them? This isn’t basketball. No one holds zero rings against you. No guts, no fire. Arrogant, pompous, ran by nerds.
I don’t want to hear (bleep) about injuries. Everyone’s injured all the time. We have a (bleep) stacked farm—we promote the wrong guys and don’t trade the right ones at the right times. We plug our gaping holes with losers like Cavan Biggio and run experiments like Muncy and CT3 into the ground. We still haven’t gotten Smith a backup catcher in five years and we’ve functionally destroyed his bat as a result (does anyone other than ChickenStu realize how absolutely awful Will Smith has been for the majority of this season?).
Maybe it’s just how the Dodgers are. Dem bums, boys of summer, etc. a cursed franchise doomed to be the bridesmaid. |
Baseball is hard. You could say the exact same things about the Braves, who are another perennial contender who've only won one ring too. Or the Yankees, who haven't won since 2009. The only team that's won twice in the last decade while being perennial contenders are the cheating Astros. That should have been us.
I know people want us to be the early Jeter Yankees but I don't think that's a realistic goal with how random baseball is and how stupid short series are, especially the 5-game one. Maybe if the playoffs didn't expand it'd be a more realistic goal, but now any stupid 85-win team that gets hot can and often does win it all. |
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Our record is worse than the Angels over the past 60 games. Kopech might be a really solid addition, but this bullpen needed more. Again, we only traded one top-15 prospect and Scott was very gettable. Not only did we not get him, but we let our chief rival get him. I would argue that Friedman didn't do close to enough to address the bullpen. Oh, and the schedule is very difficult from here. And it's not just one, but two teams within 3 games of us. We're 14-14 in 1-run games, literally the worst record in the division in that stat. Your reminder that the Colorado Rockies also play in our division.
The lineup will be fine once everyone is back. Flaherty was a good add for the rotation. But my two biggest gripes are that we should have done more to address the bullpen (Kopech is not enough), and that we didn't do enough or show enough of a sense of urgency to add players to hold down the fort while some of our injured position players are/were out. Again, we're under .500 for two months' worth of games now. |
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | Joe Kelly has been kinda useless his entire tenure with us.
We’ve paid him alot though. |
He's laughing all the way to the bank.
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Steve007
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| Snipes wrote: | | We will be fine. I am ok with a 3 game lead after everything we have gone through. It’s not ideal but it could have been worse. Padres are extremely streaky and they will plummet the same way they rose. The worst is behind us and we still have a lead. Just have to take care of business as our guys return slowly. |
It’s not just the Padres. Arizona is right there with them and both teams are 8-2 in the last 10 games. |
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| 32 wrote: | | LongBeachPoly wrote: | Joe Kelly has been kinda useless his entire tenure with us.
We’ve paid him alot though. |
He's laughing all the way to the bank. |
While wearing his mariachi jacket and giving the Astros the stink eye.
That’s basically what he’s known for around here. |
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Steve007
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| ribeye wrote: | The team is without its most valuable player, a hundred RBI dude, and about a league's worth of pitchers.
And the world is ending for some. Get a grip. |
Well I did say this team might make the World Series lol. The winner of the first round does have an advantage going into the Division Series because the top seed gets too much rest. |
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LongBeachPoly
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| ribeye wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | The team is without its most valuable player, a hundred RBI dude, and about a league's worth of pitchers.
And the world is ending for some. Get a grip. |
I'll tell you what dismays me, rib. And LBP has talked about this and I must say, I agree with it. And that is, this team simply shows no sense of urgency. Ever. Even Will Smith recently said, and I'm paraphrasing: "We'll be fine. We're the Dodgers." Yeah, we have a lot of guys injured. In your mind, do you think management did enough to try to patch holes? Do you think any urgency was shown? I mean, look at the lineups we've fielded for weeks and weeks on end. Cavan Biggio was the best we could do?!?! And oh by the way, our dope of a manager was regularly starting Biggio over Rosario. You know, the guy who is hitting .300 who can barely get on the field for us. But no, let's keep starting the terrible player that we DFA'd instead. Great work!
We traded just one of our top 15 prospects this deadline season. We could have done much, much more to improve this team. Even the guy we're apparently counting on in CF, Edman, has not played at all this season so there's risk in that, too. |
And yet, they're still in first. What is it that most complain about--three guesses and the first two don't count. I really think that the Dodgers are most aware of said concern and are trying to position themselves to be healthy and playing good ball come playoffs. Regardless, there are no guarantees in baseball in any short series, as, just as they've failed in recent years, a far less competitive team in 1988, with their best position player on the bench except for that one at bat, won it all. |
One thing I’ll add ribeye, you’re more into criticizing the fans than the team/players.
That’s your right, but, what are you really adding if it’s just to tell fans how wrong/bad/annoying their ideas/thoughts are?
Off the top of my head, I think we’re not allowed to criticize:
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- Justin Turner
- Kershaw
- the team’s lack of playoff success
- the team’s reg season struggles |
At some point, what’s the point of a fans message board when fans aren’t allowed to express any critical opinions?
How interesting would things be if it just became one big kumbaya-fest around here? |
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aprevo15
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | LongBeachPoly wrote: | Joe Kelly has been kinda useless his entire tenure with us.
We’ve paid him alot though. |
He's laughing all the way to the bank. |
While wearing his mariachi jacket and giving the Astros the stink eye.
That’s basically what he’s known for around here. |
Also got a brand new Porsche for just giving up his number to Ohtani. The dude has some luck on his side. Too bad his luck doesn't translate in to what he does on the mound. lol |
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aprevo15
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | | Snipes wrote: | | We will be fine. I am ok with a 3 game lead after everything we have gone through. It’s not ideal but it could have been worse. Padres are extremely streaky and they will plummet the same way they rose. The worst is behind us and we still have a lead. Just have to take care of business as our guys return slowly. |
This is the same attitude Roberts, Will Smith and the rest of the team gives off.
Everything will be ok, no worries.
Other teams play with a sense of urgency. We approach everything with zero urgency at all.
PS - not criticizing it from a fans POV, but I dislike it when the team takes this approach. |
It starts from Roberts. He needs to set an example for his players but the dude is loosy goosier than any player on the team. If the manager doesn't show fight then the players are not going to either. Baseball is a long season with a lot of games. He needs to figure out other ways to motivate these guys toward the end and in the playoffs.
It makes perfect sense why we won the WS in 2020. If every season was short like that season then we would probably 10 peat with Roberts and this squad. |
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| ribeye wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | The team is without its most valuable player, a hundred RBI dude, and about a league's worth of pitchers.
And the world is ending for some. Get a grip. |
I'll tell you what dismays me, rib. And LBP has talked about this and I must say, I agree with it. And that is, this team simply shows no sense of urgency. Ever. Even Will Smith recently said, and I'm paraphrasing: "We'll be fine. We're the Dodgers." Yeah, we have a lot of guys injured. In your mind, do you think management did enough to try to patch holes? Do you think any urgency was shown? I mean, look at the lineups we've fielded for weeks and weeks on end. Cavan Biggio was the best we could do?!?! And oh by the way, our dope of a manager was regularly starting Biggio over Rosario. You know, the guy who is hitting .300 who can barely get on the field for us. But no, let's keep starting the terrible player that we DFA'd instead. Great work!
We traded just one of our top 15 prospects this deadline season. We could have done much, much more to improve this team. Even the guy we're apparently counting on in CF, Edman, has not played at all this season so there's risk in that, too. |
And yet, they're still in first. What is it that most complain about--three guesses and the first two don't count. I really think that the Dodgers are most aware of said concern and are trying to position themselves to be healthy and playing good ball come playoffs. Regardless, there are no guarantees in baseball in any short series, as, just as they've failed in recent years, a far less competitive team in 1988, with their best position player on the bench except for that one at bat, won it all.[/b] |
Are you confident the team will finish in first? I’m not.
I always thought the 1988 team was underrated. The pitching was fantastic and they shut down the A’s offense. I would take that 1988 starting rotation over any Dodger rotation since then, which is saying a lot because we have seen some great starting pitching for this team. That team clearly had a lot of heart and Gibson was such a great leader to have.
Sure Gibson didn’t play after game 1, but Hershiser was the starter in 2 of the Dodgers next 3 wins. With Gibson homering in game 1 and Hershiser starting game 2 at Dodger Stadium, the A’s backs were up against the wall pretty quickly.
On a separate topic, it still amazes me the Dodgers had home field advantage in BOTH series in 1988. The media complained about giving the winner of the all-star game home field in the World Series, and how home field was way too important to do that, and how you have to give it to the team with the best record. Well what took them so long to notice? I think MLB alternated home field between the leagues for about 100 years and that was a stupid system too. The NFL did that too with the divisions but I think stopped that in the 70’s. |
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| aprevo15 wrote: | | LongBeachPoly wrote: | | Snipes wrote: | | We will be fine. I am ok with a 3 game lead after everything we have gone through. It’s not ideal but it could have been worse. Padres are extremely streaky and they will plummet the same way they rose. The worst is behind us and we still have a lead. Just have to take care of business as our guys return slowly. |
This is the same attitude Roberts, Will Smith and the rest of the team gives off.
Everything will be ok, no worries.
Other teams play with a sense of urgency. We approach everything with zero urgency at all.
PS - not criticizing it from a fans POV, but I dislike it when the team takes this approach. |
It starts from Roberts. He needs to set an example for his players but the dude is loosy goosier than any player on the team. If the manager doesn't show fight then the players are not going to either. Baseball is a long season with a lot of games. He needs to figure out other ways to motivate these guys toward the end and in the playoffs.
It makes perfect sense why we won the WS in 2020. If every season was short like that season then we would probably 10 peat with Roberts and this squad. |
Yup good point. Forgot about 2020. Yeah, we played with a sense of urgency for the entire 60 games plus playoffs. We knew time was short and can’t mess around. Every game counted and we never let up.
Sadly, in a 162 game schedule, we take a different approach. We have Sunday rest days, and a bunch of DFA pickups, and what not. Then we win the division by a lot and take a month break at the end of the season. |
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