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| ribeye wrote: | | aprevo15 wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | aprevo15 wrote: | Since the trade deadline,
Flaherty has lower era than Crochet and Skubal.
Kopeck has the lowest era out of all the relievers that was available at the trade deadline.
Edman showed us why he was a good choice.
All in all we made out. This year's team is definitely special. |
I just think we should have also gotten Scott, with the Padres getting him instead. I still think our bullpen is a weak spot. Still think we could have done more. But that's because I'm never satisfied.  |
Reading the article LBP posted, Ohtani could come out of the pen.
But how does that work? Can he still bat if he is pitching or pitched an inning? |
Logically, based on how and why the rule was implemented, he should be able to continue to bat. But this is just speculation and really not much of an answer. |
They should be able to pitch and hit full games. Why limit the players? |
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| defense wrote: | | They should be able to pitch and hit full games. Why limit the players? |
They use position players all the time for mop-up duties in blowouts, right? The rules have to be well defined, right? |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2024 7:38 am Post subject: |
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| LarryCoon wrote: | | defense wrote: | | They should be able to pitch and hit full games. Why limit the players? |
They use position players all the time for mop-up duties in blowouts, right? The rules have to be well defined, right? |
Yes, but not the DH.
The question is, if Ohtani has been the DH all game and now they want to bring him in to pitch an inning, what happens when they take him out (as the pitcher), can he remain in the game (as the DH)?
In the past, the answer is no. Once the DH takes a position on the field, you lose the DH and you go back to the NL non-DH rules.
They made an "Ohtani rule" to allow him to stay in the game as a DH even when he's taken out as the pitcher.
So on the day he starts as a pitcher, he's also the DH. And when he leaves the game as a pitcher, he can still stay in the game as the DH.
In re: to players used in mop up duty, they have to leave the game if they are replaced as the pitcher. |
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aprevo15
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| Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2024 8:53 am Post subject: |
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | | LarryCoon wrote: | | defense wrote: | | They should be able to pitch and hit full games. Why limit the players? |
They use position players all the time for mop-up duties in blowouts, right? The rules have to be well defined, right? |
Yes, but not the DH.
The question is, if Ohtani has been the DH all game and now they want to bring him in to pitch an inning, what happens when they take him out (as the pitcher), can he remain in the game (as the DH)?
In the past, the answer is no. Once the DH takes a position on the field, you lose the DH and you go back to the NL non-DH rules.
They made an "Ohtani rule" to allow him to stay in the game as a DH even when he's taken out as the pitcher.
So on the day he starts as a pitcher, he's also the DH. And when he leaves the game as a pitcher, he can still stay in the game as the DH.
In re: to players used in mop up duty, they have to leave the game if they are replaced as the pitcher. |
Yeah that's what I was most wondering about. Also he needs to warm up right. So does Dave time it so that he goes in to the pen to warm up right after his bat so that the chance of him going up again to bat for an inning or 2 are slim? Whatever happens, I hope he gets a chance to pitch in the post season even for an inning or 2. |
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LongBeachPoly
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| Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2024 9:08 am Post subject: |
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| aprevo15 wrote: | | Yeah that's what I was most wondering about. Also he needs to warm up right. So does Dave time it so that he goes in to the pen to warm up right after his bat so that the chance of him going up again to bat for an inning or 2 are slim? |
Yeah, I've read about this scenario being talked about in some article. Probably can't find it. But they talked about this exact issue.
I think they said the same thing, that if he's coming up, they'll let the AB pass and then they'll let him warm up in the BP.
| aprevo15 wrote: | | Whatever happens, I hope he gets a chance to pitch in the post season even for an inning or 2. |
As a fan yeah, but prudently, they really shouldn't. It's really not worth the risk.
Thinking back to Buehler, how much of his bad performance this year is due to him trying to make it back to the playoffs last year? I think he was trying to rush back last year and I don't know if that had any effect on him this year. But it's worth thinking about.
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Quick google search, I found this article. Not sure it was the article I originally read, but it has the same sentiments:
| Quote: | Should Shohei Ohtani become a reliever to preserve his arm? John Smoltz weighs in
But Ohtani's presence in the lineup complicates working in relief.
| Quote: | "I think that [moving to the bullpen] is a possibility," Smoltz said.
"It would be very quirky [to figure out] when he would come up to the plate, and when he would have to get ready. You know, batting in the eighth or in the ninth, it would be hard to go down to the bullpen or throw [in the batting cage] |
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/mlb/should-shohei-ohtani-become-a-reliever-to-preserve-his-arm-john-smoltz-weighs-in
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| Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2024 10:04 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Bill Plunkett
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Pitching probables for #Dodgers v Braves:
Fri - RHP Landon Knack v RHP Spencer Schwellenbach
Sat - RHP Jack Flaherty v LHP Chris Sale
Sun - RHP Walker Buehler v RHP Charlie Morton
Mon - RHP Yoshinobu Yamamoto v LHP Max Fried |
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NL Wild Card Standings:
| Quote: | 4) ARI: (82-64)
5) SD: (82-65)
6) NYM: (80-66)
7) ATL: (79-67) (-1 game)
8) CHC: (75-71) (-5 games) |
Cubs are probably out. Looks like 4 teams for 3 spots.
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Playoff Matchups (current):
| Quote: | Bye:
1) PHI: (88-58)
2) LAD: (87-59)
Wild Card Rd:
3) MIL (84-62)
6) NYM: (80-66)
4) ARI: (82-64)
5) SD: (82-65)
NLDS:
(1) PHI vs. (4) ARI / (5) SD
(2) LAD vs. (3) MIL / (6) NYM
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Looks like we'll avoid Arizona and San Diego should we stay in the 2nd spot and ARI/SD stay where they are. |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2024 11:10 am Post subject: |
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Hope one of Dbags or Padres get knocked out. Gonna have to root for the Mets and Braves.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2024 11:20 am Post subject: |
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| jonnybravo wrote: | | Hope one of Dbags or Padres get knocked out. Gonna have to root for the Mets and Braves. |
Ironic since we play them 4 games this weekend. If we sweep them, probably knocks them out....
ARI plays SD in a 3 game series to end the season, so that's a guaranteed 3 losses for them. |
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| Quote: | Los Angeles Dodgers manager Dave Roberts is not ruling out the possibility that two-way star Shohei Ohtani could pitch during the 2024 postseason.
"I just think like anything, I think that you should always leave some margin, a crack in the door, for any possibility," Roberts said in a Friday appearance on SiriusXM's MLB Network Radio. "If things line up, and there's a need, and the game, his body, everything's telling us that it makes sense, then in that situation, great. And it would be storybook.
"But I think that to kind of count on that, bet on that, I think that's not a fair way to go about it. But Shohei's on board with just continuing his rehab process, and I wouldn't put it past him to have an eye on that, and we'll just see how he plays out." |
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| Glasnow was supposed to throw a sim game in Atlanta today, warmed up in the bullpen, and then the sim game did not happen. This could be a very, very bad sign. I hope not but, that doesn't sound good to me. |
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | Yes, but not the DH.
The question is, if Ohtani has been the DH all game and now they want to bring him in to pitch an inning, what happens when they take him out (as the pitcher), can he remain in the game (as the DH)? |
So for everything but pitcher, players are allowed to change positions, but not for someone who was pitching?
For example, say Kike is playing LF, it's a blowout, and they bring him in to pitch the 7th & 8th, and by then his arm is tired, so they move him back to CF and bring in a pitcher from the BP. That wouldn't be legal?
Or is it something specific with DH, but if so, then what makes DH different from a position player? |
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If a position player is removed from the game, they are out of the game and cannot return. If the DH enters the game as a pitcher and then gets taken out of the game (as a pitcher), he may remain the DH. They instituted this rule specifically for Ohtani. Good for the game, good for the fans. Before this rule, on the days where he was the starting pitcher, when he got removed from the mound, he could no longer hit, and so there absolutely was strategy behind it.
Also, the new rule is that position players are allowed to pitch in the 9th inning only, and the team has to be ahead or trailing by a defined margin (I believe it's 8 runs or 10 runs, something like that). |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2024 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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| LarryCoon wrote: | | LongBeachPoly wrote: | Yes, but not the DH.
The question is, if Ohtani has been the DH all game and now they want to bring him in to pitch an inning, what happens when they take him out (as the pitcher), can he remain in the game (as the DH)? |
So for everything but pitcher, players are allowed to change positions, but not for someone who was pitching?
For example, say Kike is playing LF, it's a blowout, and they bring him in to pitch the 7th & 8th, and by then his arm is tired, so they move him back to CF and bring in a pitcher from the BP. That wouldn't be legal?
Or is it something specific with DH, but if so, then what makes DH different from a position player? |
Yeah when I said replaced I meant actually replacing/subbing for that player.
In your scenario, the relief pitcher came in to replace the CF, not Kike. So Kike would stay in the game and move back to CF.
As far as what makes the DH different, the DH is 1/2 of a player.
So u have 9 defensive positions.
Old NL rules:
- Back in the old NL, all 9 played D n played offense full time.
Old AL rules:
- In the AL, 8 of them hit and play D full time.
- One position is split between 2 players: the pitcher plays D while the DH plays offense.
- As long as the DH never plays D, ur ok.
- U can replace the pitcher position as many times as u want while keeping the DH in the game.
- But as soon as u want the DH to play D, now u have problems (under the old rule).
- Once you do that, you revert to the old NL rules where all 9 positions now play offense n defense. No more DH.
- So in that scenario, Ohtani starts off as a DH. You bring him in to pitch 1 inning. You now lose the DH. You want to bring in another relief pitcher but you want to keep Ohtani in the game - then u have to move him to another defensive position like 1B and sub the relief pitcher for the 1B-man. (These are the old rules).
New DH rules for both leagues:
The new rule for Ohtani says it’s ok now (but only for designated 2 way players). |
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Not good.
| Quote: | | Dave Roberts said Glasnow had discomfort in the same area of his right arm that put him on IL during his warm up in the bullpen today. Roberts said this was a setback. #Dodgers |
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| 32 wrote: | Not good.
| Quote: | | Dave Roberts said Glasnow had discomfort in the same area of his right arm that put him on IL during his warm up in the bullpen today. Roberts said this was a setback. #Dodgers |
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Probably out for the year now. Massive blow for us. |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | 32 wrote: | Not good.
| Quote: | | Dave Roberts said Glasnow had discomfort in the same area of his right arm that put him on IL during his warm up in the bullpen today. Roberts said this was a setback. #Dodgers |
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Probably out for the year now. Massive blow for us. |
I was afraid of this when we acquired him … looks like he did turn into glass unfortunately |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2024 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Our pitching has taken a dump -knack has already lost this game early and Glasnow is gone |
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| Another season where the pitching staff will lead us to an early exit. Who could have guessed Glasnow would not last a season? Only every other damn team in the league. |
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Personally, I wouldn't pitch Ohtani this season.
Playoffs are high leverage situations and although he is a true unicorn, I would rather he pitch with a full spring training and conditioning leadup.
I know, stop worrying Lanny! 
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| Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2024 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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| JerryWest_44 wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | 32 wrote: | Not good.
| Quote: | | Dave Roberts said Glasnow had discomfort in the same area of his right arm that put him on IL during his warm up in the bullpen today. Roberts said this was a setback. #Dodgers |
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Probably out for the year now. Massive blow for us. |
I was afraid of this when we acquired him … looks like he did turn into glass unfortunately |
Yup, on top of that, he's a poor playoff performer.
We continually invest in injured pitchers, who continually get injured.... |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2024 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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Our playoff rotation right now:
| Quote: | Available Starters:
1) Flaherty
2) Yamamoto - just came off of injury
3) Buehler - very bad
4) Knack - mixed bag / rookie
5) Wrobleski - see Knack
6) Miller - worst pitcher on the staff
7) Kershaw - hurt and might have little left in the tank right now
Injured Starters:
8) Gavin Stone
9) Tyler Glasnow
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | Our playoff rotation right now:
| Quote: | Available Starters:
1) Flaherty
2) Yamamoto - just came off of injury
3) Buehler - very bad
4) Knack - mixed bag / rookie
5) Wrobleski - see Knack
6) Miller - worst pitcher on the staff
7) Kershaw - hurt and might have little left in the tank right now
Injured Starters:
8) Gavin Stone
9) Tyler Glasnow
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Man only two legit playoff pitchers if yamamoto stays healthy |
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| LakerLanny wrote: | Personally, I wouldn't pitch Ohtani this season.
Playoffs are high leverage situations and although he is a true unicorn, I would rather he pitch with a full spring training and conditioning leadup.
I know, stop worrying Lanny! |
I wouldn't either. That said...man if he came out to close the 9th in a WS closing game...my goodness what a moment that would be.
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| I have faith our guys will step it in post season. When this team's backs were up against the wall they delivered. Look at the AZ series. We had to win that series and we did. |
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