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ribeye
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LGP, And I get your point; yours is the norm. Now if, I get 100 good days and 62 bad days, being the butt of the joke is just not much of an issue for me. On top of that, winning the grind is an accomplishment by itself.
Again, I know I'm in the minority as the subject comes up often, but I have always thought of the Bills four straight as an accomplishment. When you play four years and never have to sit at home to watch the championship, you're not only doing pretty good, but over those years, you can legitimately claim to be the best team.
To add to my unconventional takes, I have great respect for Charles and think his career was most exceptional. I like how Shaq pokes fun at him, but the fact that his teams did not do their share takes nothing away from Charles or from his rankings among the best.
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Snipes
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^^I get where you’re coming from.
Put it simply: it’s better to have a good regular season than to not. |
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We just have to weather the storm until Mookie and Freddie get back. Any team losing two stars like that is going to struggle. And we have to hope our pitching staff is healthy down the stretch.
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Steve007
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | Steve007 wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | It's weird watching a Dodger team that is mediocre. |
That’s all you need to make the World Series with the current postseason format. |
We aren't going to the World Series. Our formula is to get 5 innings from the starters and play matchups for 12 outs. If you're going to do that, you need to absolutely stack your bullpen with ridiculously talented arms. We don't do that. |
I think you can do that if the offense can occasionally bail you out. That’s one thing the team usually doesn’t have in the playoffs. The pitchers have to be on their A game because the offense is going to struggle.
The Dodger teams that had the most playoff success (2020 and 2017) in the last decade were the teams that did the best offensively.
And there have been several series in the last decade that the team would have won if the offense was just a little bit better. You can say the pitching could have been better too, but I feel the offense is the side that underperforms the most. |
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Steve007
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The Bills lost to better teams in the Super Bowl. Maybe they were better than the Giants, but that Giants team had just beaten the 49ers in San Francisco when the 49ers were 15-2 and going for a 3-peat. So even that was a tough game to win and that was the “easiest” opponent for Buffalo, a 15-3 team with the #1 defense coached by Parcells and Belichick.
The Redskins and Cowboys were clearly better teams.
Buffalo did collapse in the second half of the last Super Bowl against Dallas and underperformed in that one, but when I look at the opponents I’m not that surprised at the 0-4 record. It’s still a disappointment but they lost because the other teams were better.
Dallas did win 3 Super Bowls in 4 years. If they made the Super Bowl in all 4 years and lost all of them, that would be a massive choke. Those Dallas teams were so good that even going 2-2 would be a disappointment (and they did end up making 3 of them and going 3-0).
Also Dallas had a MUCH better defense than the Bills. |
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Steve007
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| ribeye wrote: |
To add to my unconventional takes, I have great respect for Charles and think his career was most exceptional. I like how Shaq pokes fun at him, but the fact that his teams did not do their share takes nothing away from Charles or from his rankings among the best. |
Personally I don’t think the Suns underachieved that much. They lost to the Bulls and Rockets. No shame in that.
With that said, maybe Charles should have played a little longer, joined the Lakers on a cheap contract and tried to get a ring with Shaq and Kobe. |
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LongBeachPoly
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| ribeye wrote: | LGP, And I get your point; yours is the norm. Now if, I get 100 good days and 62 bad days, being the butt of the joke is just not much of an issue for me. On top of that, winning the grind is an accomplishment by itself.
Again, I know I'm in the minority as the subject comes up often, but I have always thought of the Bills four straight as an accomplishment. When you play four years and never have to sit at home to watch the championship, you're not only doing pretty good, but over those years, you can legitimately claim to be the best team.
To add to my unconventional takes, I have great respect for Charles and think his career was most exceptional. I like how Shaq pokes fun at him, but the fact that his teams did not do their share takes nothing away from Charles or from his rankings among the best. |
We're not that far apart.
I agree with you that regular season success is great.
Where we differ is, I believe that there's a point where having too much regular season success raises the expectations to finish the job in the playoffs.
Charles Barkley and the Sixers never reached that point. They never had an amazing regular season individually or as a team.
When I say amazing, I mean being considered one of the best in history. Breaking records.
Like when GS went 73-9. The Seattle Mariners winning 116 games. Peyton Manning winning like 7 MVPs or whatever it is.
When you achieve that level of regular season greatness, you HAVE to finish the job in the postseason. If not, then you'll get that label as chokers/underachievers whatever.
So, I wouldn't choose Barkley as an example. I'd choose Jokic. When Jokic was on the verge of winning 3 straight MVPs, what was the conversation about? How does someone win 3 straight MVPs and not have a title?
That's just how it goes. Jokic needed that title to not become a joke.
So, that's where we differ.
We, the Dodgers have achieved that type of regular season success. Our streak of making the playoffs and winning the division (I've lost count) and our streak of winning 100+ games for 4 straight years (full seasons), has put us in that level of achieving regular season greatness.
And with that level of success comes expectations of finishing the job in the playoffs.
We're at that point, fair or unfair. It is what it is. We should have more than 1 title for all of our regular season success. |
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Some comments about various teams in sports that have been discussed here:
The Bills should have beaten the Giants in that first Super Bowl appearance. They moved the ball almost at will and were 7-point favorites. Should have won that game.
The Suns lost to a #6-seeded Rockets team. Sure, that Rockets team is lauded now because they did win back-to-back titles, but that Suns team was better by a lot that year, 12 games better in the regular season, in fact.
And that Mariners team that won 116 games was not even the favorite to make the World Series that postseason, and they were an underdog to the Yankees in the ALCS. The Yankees had vastly superior pitching. |
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| Hoping Kershaw doesn’t get shelled early |
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Steve007
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| ChickenStu wrote: | Some comments about various teams in sports that have been discussed here:
The Bills should have beaten the Giants in that first Super Bowl appearance. They moved the ball almost at will and were 7-point favorites. Should have won that game.
The Suns lost to a #6-seeded Rockets team. Sure, that Rockets team is lauded now because they did win back-to-back titles, but that Suns team was better by a lot that year, 12 games better in the regular season, in fact. . |
I think the public was overreacting to the Bills beating the Raiders 51-3 in the AFC Championship Game. A lot of times when a team plays the game of their lives in the playoffs, people start to expect them to play like that every game and that obviously doesn’t happen. When a game like that happens a team tends to get a lot of hype and attention. People probably didn’t know who Bill Belichick was. And the Giants moved the ball very well too; they dominated the time of possession, which obviously prevented Buffalo from scoring more points.
You can argue that the Bills should have won that game. They probably should have. They were leading early. But I still think it was a difficult game. I think the difference between Buffalo and New York was closer than the difference between Buffalo and Dallas, for example.
And I notice that when a great offense plays a great defense in the playoffs, the great defensive teams sometimes get underrated.
Funny I almost mentioned that Rockets team in 95 as the one series Phoenix choked. That was a weird Rockets team though. They faced adversity in every series at some point and then they would pull it out. They beat Utah, who won 60 games, the Spurs who won 62 games and the Magic who won 57 games. All those teams had superstars. But Phoenix still blew it.
You are still right the Suns should have beaten that Rockets team, but I have serious doubts the Suns would have won a ring that year. Would they go on to beat the Spurs and Magic? San Antonio was really on a roll that year and I think Barkley would have just lost in the conference finals and still have no ring. If the Suns made the finals, Barkley would have gone up against Shaq and maybe Shaq would make fun of him even more for going 0-2 in the finals and losing to Shaq. |
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JerryWest_44
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Kershaw choking fielding a ball
3-0 early
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Steve007
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I even think Tom Brady and the Patriots choked a couple of times in the playoffs. They had the greatest regular season ever and lost the Super Bowl.
The greatest regular seasons in NFL, MLB, NBA, and (I think) NHL all resulted in teams not getting it done in the playoffs. That used to be not be true though, as the 72 win Bulls and 1972 Lakers won rings and the 1972 Miami Dolphins were champions. But it goes to show that destroying the competition in the regular season doesn’t guarantee anything in the playoffs. |
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Steve007
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| Oh good this series is only 2 games and the next opponent is the A’s. So we won’t get swept in 3 or 4 games at least. Interesting after that is the Phillies. |
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Kershaw looks like playoff sweating Kershaw
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Again I don’t want him near the playoffs
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Steve007
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| Has Kershaw turned into Buehler? |
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| Steve007 wrote: | | Has Kershaw turned into Buehler? |
He’s worse |
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| JerryWest_44 wrote: | Kershaw looks like playoff sweating Kershaw
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Again I don’t want him near the playoffs |
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| 2nd start off shoulder surgery. Some of you need to get a grip. |
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| Snipes wrote: | | 2nd start off shoulder surgery. Some of you need to get a grip. |
He’s done….imho |
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| Snipes wrote: | | 2nd start off shoulder surgery. Some of you need to get a grip. |
Naw dawg, I felt that way last season. Hope he can eat up some innings throughout the season but no starts in the post-season.
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| Why the hell did Dino stop Ohtani there are you (bleep) kidding me |
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Steve007
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| Snipes wrote: | | 2nd start off shoulder surgery. Some of you need to get a grip. |
Isn’t that what the rehab starts are for? Why start him if he isn’t ready? |
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Snipes
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| Steve007 wrote: | | Snipes wrote: | | 2nd start off shoulder surgery. Some of you need to get a grip. |
Isn’t that what the rehab starts are for? Why start him if he isn’t ready? |
Would you rather have Paxton out there? |
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| Snipes wrote: | | Steve007 wrote: | | Snipes wrote: | | 2nd start off shoulder surgery. Some of you need to get a grip. |
Isn’t that what the rehab starts are for? Why start him if he isn’t ready? |
Would you rather have Paxton out there? |
Well, we did win 14 of his 18 starts. |
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Snipes
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | Snipes wrote: | | Steve007 wrote: | | Snipes wrote: | | 2nd start off shoulder surgery. Some of you need to get a grip. |
Isn’t that what the rehab starts are for? Why start him if he isn’t ready? |
Would you rather have Paxton out there? |
Well, we did win 14 of his 18 starts. |
Circumstancial evidence!! |
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