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Steve007
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| Snipes wrote: | | Steve007 wrote: | | Snipes wrote: | | 2nd start off shoulder surgery. Some of you need to get a grip. |
Isn’t that what the rehab starts are for? Why start him if he isn’t ready? |
Would you rather have Paxton out there? |
If this is what we should expect from Kershaw, absolutely. |
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| This broke a streak of 423 consecutive starts by Kershaw in which he recorded at least one strikeout, the longest streak in MLB history (since the mound was moved to its current distance in 1893). Second on that list is Tom Seaver, with 411. Nolan Ryan is third with 382. |
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| This team will never take the next step until Roberts and Kershaw leave the team. Both of them just bad luck at this point, past postseason failures all starts and ends with these two. I really think it’s a mental thing. Is in the clubhouse. Whenever dodgers play against a team who had eliminated them in the postseason, they struggle and play scared. |
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| Snipes wrote: | | defense wrote: | Everyone relax! We have big guns coming back soon.
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I was wrong. Everybody panic! |
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ribeye
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| SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | This team will never take the next step until Roberts and Kershaw leave the team. Both of them just bad luck at this point, past postseason failures all starts and ends with these two. I really think it’s a mental thing. Is in the clubhouse. Whenever dodgers play against a team who had eliminated them in the postseason, they struggle and play scared. |
This reminds me of one of Vinny's regular expressions:
What have you done for me lately
Kersh is arguably one of the two best regular season pitchers in Dodgers history. Respect.
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LA Times column on where Betts will play when he comes back. I still say RF:
| Quote: | Column: Mookie Betts’ comeback from a broken hand is almost done. Where do the Dodgers play him?
By Dylan Hernández
Now, as Betts nears his comeback from a broken hand, the Dodgers could be making another request that tests his capacity for self-sacrifice.
| Quote: | | They could be asking him to return to right field. |
Roberts didn’t say they would. General manager Brandon Gomes didn’t, either. But look at the players the Dodgers picked up before the trade deadline, examine their roster, and it’s clear Betts could help them more in his old position than at shortstop or second base.
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Will Betts return as the team’s shortstop?
| Quote: | “That’s his intent,” Roberts said.
However, Roberts cautioned, “As we get to the middle of August when we’re expecting him back, I don’t know if that’s going to change.” |
| Quote: | Gomes was also cryptic.
“He’s continuing to take ground balls in the infield,” Gomes said, “and we have so much open right now with guys in the infield, it allows us to take some time to see where we’re at by the time he gets back. But he’s ready to go wherever we need him.” |
Superstars are usually the ones who are accommodated by role players, and not the other way around. In this case, Betts could be asked to move to right field to unclog an infield depth chart that includes Miguel Rojas, Gavin Lux, Tommy Edman, Amed Rosario and Nick Ahmed. A return to his former position would bolster the Dodgers’ underwhelming corner outfield production as well.
| Quote: | About a month ago, Betts was asked by reporters about the possibility of a switch back to right field.
“If they want to go out there, I can go out there too,” he said. “Like I said, at this point, I feel like I can do pretty much anything out there, especially if I can get some work at it. Whatever it takes to have the best team out there.” |
Whatever Betts has said on record, he would be entirely justified in refusing an outfield assignment. He wasn’t responsible for the injuries that were the impetus for his move to second base. He certainly wasn’t responsible for the misguided assumption that Lux could be an adequate shortstop, which inspired his latest position switch.
If Betts has come to prefer the infield, the Dodgers can only blame themselves for constructing rosters that required him to switch positions. Betts has earned the right to do what makes him most comfortable. He has to do whatever he feels is necessary to produce offensively.
Roberts didn’t think that would be a problem, however.
| Quote: | | “When he did play different positions, last year, for example, he had one of his best years,” Roberts said. “So I don’t think … playing two different positions affects Mookie because, using his words, when he plays defense, he plays defense, and when he’s in the box, he’s focused on hitting.” |
Provided it wouldn’t adversely affect Betts as a hitter, returning to right field could allow the Dodgers to best maximize their roster.
Before his injury, Betts was a below-average shortstop, which was understandable considering the last time he played there regularly was in high school. The six weeks he’s missed figures to have set him back.
| Quote: | | Ahmed, the team’s current fill-in, has won two Gold Gloves at the position. Sidelined Rojas is also a premium defensive shortstop. |
Even if the shortstop experiment is finished for the season — Betts could try again next season after spending an entire winter working out at the position
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What about second base?
There, the Dodgers have Lux, who is hitting over .400 in his last 15 games. With how feeble the bottom of the order has looked at times, they’d prefer to not remove his left-handed bat from the lineup.
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[Right field?]
Newly acquired Kevin Kiermaier is a top-level defensive center fielder, and Edman can also play center field, which could push rookie Andy Pages into a platoon role in right field with Jason Heyward.
| Quote: | | Corner outfielders are expected to hit, and Pages and Heyward haven’t done much of that lately, which is why Betts might best fit there. |
| Quote: | | “Mookie told me time and time again, whatever it takes to make us the best ballclub, that’s what he’s willing to do,” Roberts said. |
If the Dodgers decide that’s for Betts to play in right field, they’ll have to be mindful of how they approach him. They don’t want a player of Betts’ caliber to feel disrespected or feel as if he’s taken for granted.
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Yeah, I think it's close to suicide to try and win a WS with a below average defender at SS.
You have to get really lucky that the errors/mistakes don't bite you in the butt in a crucial game turning moment. |
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| ribeye wrote: | | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | This team will never take the next step until Roberts and Kershaw leave the team. Both of them just bad luck at this point, past postseason failures all starts and ends with these two. I really think it’s a mental thing. Is in the clubhouse. Whenever dodgers play against a team who had eliminated them in the postseason, they struggle and play scared. |
This reminds me of one of Vinny's regular expressions:
What have you done for me lately
Kersh is arguably one of the two best regular season pitchers in Dodgers history. Respect. |
With a HUGE emphasis on the regular season. |
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| Quote: | | “Mookie told me time and time again, whatever it takes to make us the best ballclub, that’s what he’s willing to do,” Roberts said. |
What a luxury and a privilege to have our superstars be that selfless. We already know about Othani and I'd imagine Freddie's the same way. All 3 superstars both on and off the field. Love it.
I also agree that what's best for the team rn is Mookie in RF.
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| Agree that Mookie should be in RF, although you could try to put him back at second base if Lux goes back into the tank. |
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Trout out for the rest of the year after tearing his meniscus. Again. He played 2 innings of a rehab game last week before he hurt himself again. What a sad second half of his career it appears that it will be. Dude's body just totally betrayed him, and his team became totally irrelevant even with Ohtani's presence for 6 years.
What a shame. |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | Trout out for the rest of the year after tearing his meniscus. Again. He played 2 innings of a rehab game last week before he hurt himself again. What a sad second half of his career it appears that it will be. Dude's body just totally betrayed him, and his team became totally irrelevant even with Ohtani's presence for 6 years.
What a shame. |
He also took more than 2 months to rehab from something that should have normally taken just a few weeks. Guy's health has completely betrayed him. |
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Steve007
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| SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | This team will never take the next step until Roberts and Kershaw leave the team. Both of them just bad luck at this point, past postseason failures all starts and ends with these two. I really think it’s a mental thing. Is in the clubhouse. Whenever dodgers play against a team who had eliminated them in the postseason, they struggle and play scared. |
They would still have 2 rings if the Astros didn’t know what pitches were coming in game 5 of the World Series. It’s one thing that bothers me about that series. Kershaw dominated the Astros on the biggest stage in games 1 and 7. Would have won game 5 if the Astros weren’t cheating and maybe would have even been the World Series MVP.
In game 1 he beat the Astros ace and pitched 7 innings, gave up 1 run , had 11 k’s and no walks.
When the Astros destroyed him in game 5, he didn’t know he was being cheated and that would definitely destroy a lot of people mentally, making them think maybe they really are a choker. It’s a type of game that can affect people for decades. |
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| I thought Rendon was out again too after recently coming back. At this point, is it even worth it for the Angels to have those guys play? I wonder if Trout should just be a DH. |
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| Steve007 wrote: | | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | This team will never take the next step until Roberts and Kershaw leave the team. Both of them just bad luck at this point, past postseason failures all starts and ends with these two. I really think it’s a mental thing. Is in the clubhouse. Whenever dodgers play against a team who had eliminated them in the postseason, they struggle and play scared. |
They would still have 2 rings if the Astros didn’t know what pitches were coming in game 5 of the World Series. It’s one thing that bothers me about that series. Kershaw dominated the Astros on the biggest stage in games 1 and 7. Would have won game 5 if the Astros weren’t cheating and maybe would have even been the World Series MVP.
In game 1 he beat the Astros ace and pitched 7 innings, gave up 1 run , had 11 k’s and no walks.
When the Astros destroyed him in game 5, he didn’t know he was being cheated and that would definitely destroy a lot of people mentally, making them think maybe they really are a choker. It’s a type of game that can affect people for decades. |
To add to this, Redsox cheated the following year which gets overshadowed by the Astros doing it in 2017. Steve Pearce was the biggest beneficiary of that. Check out how much better the RedSox were that year than what they were projected to be and how much they over achieved.
B2b years of pain, we should have won at least 1 more world series. |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | Trout out for the rest of the year after tearing his meniscus. Again. He played 2 innings of a rehab game last week before he hurt himself again. What a sad second half of his career it appears that it will be. Dude's body just totally betrayed him, and his team became totally irrelevant even with Ohtani's presence for 6 years.
What a shame. |
Ohtani could've been wasting the rest of his career in Anaheim had he decided to stay an Angel. Its a good thing he decided to move on. Angels gotta figure out how to rebuild. |
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| Snipes wrote: | | To add to this, Redsox cheated the following year which gets overshadowed by the Astros doing it in 2017. Steve Pearce was the biggest beneficiary of that. Check out how much better the RedSox were that year than what they were projected to be and how much they over achieved. |
If the Red Sox cheated, then how much of an anomaly/farce was Mookie’s 2018 MVP year?
| Quote: | .346 avg
.438 obp
.640 slg
1.078 ops
10.9 WAR |
All career high numbers.
Here are his next highest numbers (not in the same year):
| Quote: | .318 avg (2016)
.408 obp (2023)
.579 slg (2023)
.987 ops (2023)
9.6 WAR (2016)
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Is there any possibility that the Red Sox cheated and Betts received no benefit from it (i.e. his 2018 numbers r totally legit)? |
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| Steve007 wrote: | | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | This team will never take the next step until Roberts and Kershaw leave the team. Both of them just bad luck at this point, past postseason failures all starts and ends with these two. I really think it’s a mental thing. Is in the clubhouse. Whenever dodgers play against a team who had eliminated them in the postseason, they struggle and play scared. |
They would still have 2 rings if the Astros didn’t know what pitches were coming in game 5 of the World Series. It’s one thing that bothers me about that series. Kershaw dominated the Astros on the biggest stage in games 1 and 7. Would have won game 5 if the Astros weren’t cheating and maybe would have even been the World Series MVP.
In game 1 he beat the Astros ace and pitched 7 innings, gave up 1 run , had 11 k’s and no walks.
When the Astros destroyed him in game 5, he didn’t know he was being cheated and that would definitely destroy a lot of people mentally, making them think maybe they really are a choker. It’s a type of game that can affect people for decades. |
All true Steve-O but lets keep in mind, Kershaw was warned BEFORE that game about the BS the Astros were up to. We know this because Kershaw confirmed he didnt want to break his rhythm (like a moron) and we also know this because Alex Wood dominated the Astros in Game 4 while always changing signs because he was rightfully paranoid of the Astros nonsense. Kershaw had a lot to do with his own demise by sticking to his routine. |
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| DuncanIdaho wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | Trout out for the rest of the year after tearing his meniscus. Again. He played 2 innings of a rehab game last week before he hurt himself again. What a sad second half of his career it appears that it will be. Dude's body just totally betrayed him, and his team became totally irrelevant even with Ohtani's presence for 6 years.
What a shame. |
He also took more than 2 months to rehab from something that should have normally taken just a few weeks. Guy's health has completely betrayed him. |
Dude always reminded me of Micky Mantle with his popularity, accomplishments at the plate hitting for both average and power (they are literally right next to each other in lifetime OPS+, ranking 8th and 9th), their speed, and their great play in center field, but I guess we could add health to this comparison as well. Don't know about Trout's drinking habits so I'll leave that one alone.
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | | Snipes wrote: | | To add to this, Redsox cheated the following year which gets overshadowed by the Astros doing it in 2017. Steve Pearce was the biggest beneficiary of that. Check out how much better the RedSox were that year than what they were projected to be and how much they over achieved. |
If the Red Sox cheated, then how much of an anomaly/farce was Mookie’s 2018 MVP year?
| Quote: | .346 avg
.438 obp
.640 slg
1.078 ops
10.9 WAR |
All career high numbers.
Here are his next highest numbers (not in the same year):
| Quote: | .318 avg (2016)
.408 obp (2023)
.579 slg (2023)
.987 ops (2023)
9.6 WAR (2016)
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Is there any possibility that the Red Sox cheated and Betts received no benefit from it (i.e. his 2018 numbers r totally legit)? |
I really think Mookie's numbers were legit that was boosted by the advantage of playing in Fenway Park - that park was always a boon to right handed hitters - on average and I remember the effect it specifically had for guys like Betts, Bogaerts, Youkilis, Lowell, Canseco, Valentin and Garciaparra, excluding Manny Ramirez because that dude was so awesome elsewhere as well.
Plus lets be real - Mookie didnt do (bleep) in the 2018 World Series. The HR he hit was not the critical hit - dude frankly was always a frontrunner. Even the year we won it - he never got the critical hit or only got an important hit after someone else did the real job. |
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| Trout will have missed 398 games over the past 4 seasons when this season comes to a close. Staggering to think about. |
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| ribeye wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | Trout out for the rest of the year after tearing his meniscus. Again. He played 2 innings of a rehab game last week before he hurt himself again. What a sad second half of his career it appears that it will be. Dude's body just totally betrayed him, and his team became totally irrelevant even with Ohtani's presence for 6 years.
What a shame. |
He also took more than 2 months to rehab from something that should have normally taken just a few weeks. Guy's health has completely betrayed him. |
Dude always reminded me of Micky Mantle with his popularity, accomplishments at the plate hitting for both average and power (they are literally right next to each other in lifetime OPS+, ranking 8th and 9th), their speed, and their great play in center field, but I guess we could add health to this comparison as well. Don't know about Trout's drinking habits so I'll leave that one alone. |
Funny thing about Mantle - the guy could have been even better than what he actually showed. Guy tore his ACL very early in his career and at a time they had no idea how to actually fix an ACL tear. |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | Trout will have missed 398 games over the past 4 seasons when this season comes to a close. Staggering to think about. |
Dude got Reds Griffey'ed..... |
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Dang that's horrible. Hoping for the best for Freddie and his family. |
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