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aprevo15
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | aprevo15 wrote: | | Don't they have a scouting report on Mookie? They were better off pitching to Ohtani. |
I have to agree. In a big spot, if I'm a pitcher, I'd rather face Ohtani, even though he will produce a better OPS over a full season. He has more holes in his swing. Mookie is like a right-handed Freddie when he's going well, which he has been since he's returned. If he's slumping, I get it. When he isn't, you're better off just facing Ohtani. |
Also they experienced it earlier in the game what Mookie does with RISP. Not to mention Mookie has been aggressive on the first pitch whenever he has runners on. He pitched it down the middle. But then again it's the Angels and their season is over so I guess they don't focus on doing their homework.
Beginning of the game the guys calling the game were saying how this is Ohtani's first meaningful game at Angels stadium in September. LOL |
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LongBeachPoly
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Here’s our tiebreaker situations:
| Quote: | Win tiebreaker vs:
- Brewers
- Mets
- D-backs
Lose tiebreaker vs:
- Phillies
- Padres
Tiebreaker TBD vs:
- Braves (3-0, 4 games remaining)
- Cubs (1-2, 3 games remaining)
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LongBeachPoly
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Could we sign Corbin Burnes?
| Quote: | Dodgers named a ‘top landing spot’ for projected $288 million ace
Dodgers named a ‘top landing spot’ for projected $288 million ace
After spending more than $1 billion to assemble a World Series favorite last winter, the Los Angeles Dodgers will always be in the conversation for baseball’s most talented and expensive free agents.
And, looking ahead to the coming offseason, Bleacher Report’s Zachary Rymer has listed the Dodgers as a top landing space for Baltimore Orioles ace Corbin Burnes, who is set to become a free agent after this season.
| Quote: | “The Dodgers were an oft-mentioned landing spot for Burnes when he was on the trade market last winter,” Rymer wrote.
“That obviously didn’t pan out, but he still fits in Los Angeles in theory… If the Dodgers did back up a Brinks truck for Burnes, it would merely be the latest sign that they’re willing to spare no expense in their pursuit of dynastic success.” |
The Orioles acquired Burnes in a trade with the Milwaukee Brewers ahead of the season, signing him to a one-year, $15.6 million deal to avoid arbitration.
As a 29-year-old former Cy Young Award winner, he’s poised to be highly coveted as a free agent, with Rymer projecting that he’ll earn an eight-year, $288 million deal wherever he signs next. ESPN’s Jeff Passan predicted that Burnes will be the offseason’s “biggest ace attraction.”
Given the Dodgers’ ongoing payroll, though, they might be less desperate to add Burnes than some other contenders.
| Quote: | “Yet despite the injury issues they’ve had in their rotation this season, Burnes will be more of a luxury than a necessity for L.A. this winter,” Rymer added.
“With Shohei Ohtani due to return to pitching in 2025 and Tyler Glasnow, Yoshinobu Yamamoto and Gavin Stone also under contract, it isn’t hurting for in-house options.” |
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I hope not.
I don't see Burnes aging well. This is a Gerrit Cole type contract. Burnes doesn't feel elite anymore.
Burnes was a strikeout machine in his heyday. He's not that anymore:
| Quote: | 2020:
59.2 ip
88 K
1.48 K/ip
2.11 ERA
1.02 Whip
2021:
167 ip
234 K
1.40 K/ip
2.43 ERA
0.94 Whip
2022:
202 ip
243 K
1.20 K/ip
2.94 ERA
0.97 Whip
2023:
193.2 ip
200 K
1.03 K/ip
3.39 ERA
1.07 Whip
2024:
169.1 ip
154 K
0.91 K/ip
3.19 ERA
1.13 Whip
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His K/ip rate has dropped every season since 2020. This means he's pitching to contact alot more now. Maybe he's found a way to still get batters out by inducing weak contact. But, it's just hard to be an ace level pitcher while pitching to contact. I just don't believe it.
And I don't believe we'll pay someone top tier money who doesn't have elite K/ip rate stats |
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LongBeachPoly
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| Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2024 8:18 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Braves' Whit Merrifield rips state of pitching in MLB after HBP
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Whit Merrifield, after becoming the latest Atlanta Braves player to get hit by an errant fastball, blasted the "pathetic" current state of pitching in Major League Baseball, saying "something terrible is going to happen" if the sport doesn't reintroduce repercussions for throwing wildly inside.
| Quote: | "It's bulls---; it's driving me nuts," Merrifield said Tuesday after being hit in the head by a 94.5 mph fastball in the Braves' victory over the Colorado Rockies.
"I hate where the game is at right now with that." |
Merrifield left the game in the seventh inning after rookie right-hander Jeff Criswell's fastball plunked the part of the helmet just behind his left ear. Merrifield wobbled on one knee, yelling angrily toward Criswell while he was down, before finally walking slowly to the dugout.
| Quote: | "It's just ridiculous," he said.
"Where the game is at right now, it's just ridiculous. ... The way pitchers are throwing now, there's no remorse or regard for throwing up and in. Guys are throwing hard as they can and they don't care where the ball goes.
"It's bulls---. You can't hit a guy anymore back. There's no fear that, 'Oh if I hit this guy, then our guy is going to get hit.' That's not the game anymore. Pitchers don't have to hit anymore, so they don't have to stand in the box." |
Merrifield is a player representative on MLB's competition committee and said he planned to have a "long conversation" with other committee members during a meeting Wednesday.
| Quote: | | "Teams are bringing pitchers up that don't know where the hell the ball is going," he said. "They throw 100 miles an hour, so they're like, 'All right, we'll see if he can get the guys out. Just set up down the middle and throw it as hard as you can.' And it's bulls---." |
Merrifield became the fourth Braves player in less than a month to get hit by a high-and-tight fastball.
- Star third baseman Austin Riley is expected to miss the rest of the regular season after suffering a broken hand when he was hit by a 97 mph pitch last month.
- Center fielder Michael Harris
- and veteran catcher Travis d'Arnaud also missed time last month after being plunked, although both avoided serious injuries.
Merrifield mentioned all three of his teammates Tuesday and also cited other major leaguers who recently experienced major health scares due to inside fastballs.
| Quote: | "I watched Taylor Ward get hit in the face last year and have to get reconstructive surgery," Merrifield said. "Justin Turner got hit in the face last year. It's happening at an exponential rate. Guys are getting hit in the hand. Mookie Betts broke a bone in his hand this year.
"It's just ridiculous and it has to be fixed or God forbid, something terrible is going to happen. If this hits me in a different spot -- it's just pathetic. It's frankly pathetic some of the pitchers we're running out there that don't know where the ball is going at the major-league level. And it's got to be fixed." |
Braves manager Brian Snitker said Merrifield passed the concussion protocol and might be able to play Wednesday, but the nine-year veteran was still fuming after the game.
| Quote: | "I'm out of the game, but [Criswell] gets to stay in and pitch," Merrifield said. "I'm probably not going to be able to play [Wednesday] -- no repercussion on his part. I mean, without being over dramatic, that was my life on the line right there.
"So I'm sick of it. It's happening way too much out there." |
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Any opinions on this? I don't play baseball so I don't know if it's a legit gripe. It sucks for sure to be plunked. He's mad at the pitcher but then he doesn't blame the pitcher. He blames the system for bringing up pitchers too early who don't know how to pitch and plus, the rule changes which prevents repercussions. |
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aprevo15
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: |
Any opinions on this? I don't play baseball so I don't know if it's a legit gripe. It sucks for sure to be plunked. He's mad at the pitcher but then he doesn't blame the pitcher. He blames the system for bringing up pitchers too early who don't know how to pitch and plus, the rule changes which prevents repercussions. |
I think he is just pissed. If it was one of his teammates that got hit would he be this mad? How much more experience does the pitcher need? They been throwing all their lives. IMO whether they spend 1, 2, or 3+ years in the minors, when they come up they are still new to the big leagues and they are going to try to throw harder than before so mistakes like this are bound to happen. Does he want a rule that says you can't throw hard or inside if you are a rookie? Or spend 10 years in the minors before getting called up? I'm sure if the pitcher has a history of hitting batters in the minors then he wouldn't get called up.
What about the comebacker that hits the pitcher? I've seen those hit pitcher in the head and pitchers don't wear a helmet. What can MLB do about that? |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2024 10:45 am Post subject: |
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | | Any opinions on this? I don't play baseball so I don't know if it's a legit gripe. It sucks for sure to be plunked. He's mad at the pitcher but then he doesn't blame the pitcher. He blames the system for bringing up pitchers too early who don't know how to pitch and plus, the rule changes which prevents repercussions. |
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | Could we sign Corbin Burnes?
| Quote: | Dodgers named a ‘top landing spot’ for projected $288 million ace
Dodgers named a ‘top landing spot’ for projected $288 million ace
After spending more than $1 billion to assemble a World Series favorite last winter, the Los Angeles Dodgers will always be in the conversation for baseball’s most talented and expensive free agents.
And, looking ahead to the coming offseason, Bleacher Report’s Zachary Rymer has listed the Dodgers as a top landing space for Baltimore Orioles ace Corbin Burnes, who is set to become a free agent after this season.
| Quote: | “The Dodgers were an oft-mentioned landing spot for Burnes when he was on the trade market last winter,” Rymer wrote.
“That obviously didn’t pan out, but he still fits in Los Angeles in theory… If the Dodgers did back up a Brinks truck for Burnes, it would merely be the latest sign that they’re willing to spare no expense in their pursuit of dynastic success.” |
The Orioles acquired Burnes in a trade with the Milwaukee Brewers ahead of the season, signing him to a one-year, $15.6 million deal to avoid arbitration.
As a 29-year-old former Cy Young Award winner, he’s poised to be highly coveted as a free agent, with Rymer projecting that he’ll earn an eight-year, $288 million deal wherever he signs next. ESPN’s Jeff Passan predicted that Burnes will be the offseason’s “biggest ace attraction.”
Given the Dodgers’ ongoing payroll, though, they might be less desperate to add Burnes than some other contenders.
| Quote: | “Yet despite the injury issues they’ve had in their rotation this season, Burnes will be more of a luxury than a necessity for L.A. this winter,” Rymer added.
“With Shohei Ohtani due to return to pitching in 2025 and Tyler Glasnow, Yoshinobu Yamamoto and Gavin Stone also under contract, it isn’t hurting for in-house options.” |
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I hope not.
I don't see Burnes aging well. This is a Gerrit Cole type contract. Burnes doesn't feel elite anymore.
Burnes was a strikeout machine in his heyday. He's not that anymore:
| Quote: | 2020:
59.2 ip
88 K
1.48 K/ip
2.11 ERA
1.02 Whip
2021:
167 ip
234 K
1.40 K/ip
2.43 ERA
0.94 Whip
2022:
202 ip
243 K
1.20 K/ip
2.94 ERA
0.97 Whip
2023:
193.2 ip
200 K
1.03 K/ip
3.39 ERA
1.07 Whip
2024:
169.1 ip
154 K
0.91 K/ip
3.19 ERA
1.13 Whip
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His K/ip rate has dropped every season since 2020. This means he's pitching to contact alot more now. Maybe he's found a way to still get batters out by inducing weak contact. But, it's just hard to be an ace level pitcher while pitching to contact. I just don't believe it.
And I don't believe we'll pay someone top tier money who doesn't have elite K/ip rate stats |
Pretty much every metric has been on a steady decline since 2020. I'm in agreement.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2024 11:13 am Post subject: |
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | His K/ip rate has dropped every season since 2020. This means he's pitching to contact alot more now. Maybe he's found a way to still get batters out by inducing weak contact. But, it's just hard to be an ace level pitcher while pitching to contact. I just don't believe it.
And I don't believe we'll pay someone top tier money who doesn't have elite K/ip rate stats |
Burnes barely qualifies as an ace this year. Hell no to $280 million for this guy. It'll look really bad after year one. |
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I'm with the crowd. Burnes has been declining. Still very good, but yeah, you don't want to be giving out a gigantic deal to him.
Also, while I'm not going to be upset with Merrifield because of how he got hit...guys have always gotten hit. This is nothing new. Unless a pitcher is actually throwing at a guy on purpose, it's just a part of the game and though it's unfortunate that injuries happen, you accept that it's an occupational hazard. Yeah maybe it's a little more dangerous now because these pitchers are throwing harder, but it doesn't seem to me that hit by pitches are rising at an abnormal rate. |
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| Quote: | Josh Thomas
@jokeylocomotive
Over the last 8 weeks, hard-throwing Dodger prospect Ronan Kopp (LHRP) has been pretty pretty good for AA Tulsa:
20.0 IP
38.3 K%
9.9 BB%
1.80 ERA
2.97 FIP
He’s not R5 eligible for another year, carrying this into 2025 could make things interesting. |
Looks like a left handed relief pitcher. |
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| Quote: | | Yoshinobu Yamamoto will not make another rehab start. Will start for LAD on Tuesday |
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| 32 wrote: | | Quote: | | Yoshinobu Yamamoto will not make another rehab start. Will start for LAD on Tuesday |
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Yamamoto will lead us to the promised land if healthy. Only true ace I see on the roster that I would trust - literally today - in game 1 or game 7 of a series. |
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| DuncanIdaho wrote: | | LongBeachPoly wrote: | | Any opinions on this? I don't play baseball so I don't know if it's a legit gripe. It sucks for sure to be plunked. He's mad at the pitcher but then he doesn't blame the pitcher. He blames the system for bringing up pitchers too early who don't know how to pitch and plus, the rule changes which prevents repercussions. |
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They could tacky up the ball. MLB has a history of messing with the ball anyhow, so why not. |
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| ExPatLkrFan wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | LongBeachPoly wrote: | | Any opinions on this? I don't play baseball so I don't know if it's a legit gripe. It sucks for sure to be plunked. He's mad at the pitcher but then he doesn't blame the pitcher. He blames the system for bringing up pitchers too early who don't know how to pitch and plus, the rule changes which prevents repercussions. |
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They could tacky up the ball. MLB has a history of messing with the ball anyhow, so why not. |
A real vet knows how to throw spitters.
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Our offense is elite. We just need the pitching to step it up a notch. Especially starting pitching.
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| Miller is toast |
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| 32 wrote: | | Our offense is elite. We just need the pitching to step it up a notch. Especially starting pitching. |
Bobby Miller says "NO" |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2024 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| This dumpster fire of a pitcher needs to be shutdown for the year. |
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Hopefully Miller settles down now and don't give up any more runs.
Gonna be fun watching our guys come back from this. |
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| Quote: | Update on Tyler Glasnow from Dave Roberts:
"He played catch today, and as I understand it, this weekend he's supposed to get off the mound and throw a 'pen. So I'm really encouraged about that." |
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lol … Miller has become a gas can joke
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| Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2024 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| He's done for the year. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2024 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| At least Wrobo took a crap against the best offense in baseball. Bobby is doing this against one of the worst in baseball. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2024 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| JerryWest_44 wrote: | lol … Miller has become a gas can joke
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I remember there was a pitcher called "Oil Can" Boyd. Very appropriate nickname for Miller |
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| Yikes. A trap game. This looks like a loss. |
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