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ChickenStu
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | ^
It does match what my eyes told me I saw. He looks exceptionally natural at second base, and his fielding fundamentals are flawless. Maybe the Dodgers think it will be less wear and tear on his body if he's not running in the outfield, who knows. |
Yeah, if it’s a permanent move and they get a good defensive RF, ok.
But Vargas/Busch to the outfield while a GG RF to 2B is a head scratcher to me.
There’s a part to this puzzle that I feel I’m missing.
Maybe Vargas/Busch are absolutely brutal at 2B.
Maybe Betts is as valuable at 2B as he is in RF.
Maybe they trade both Vargas/Busch and sign a powerful RH bat to play RF (outfielders are more plentiful than 2B).
It’s something I feel I’m missing. |
It definitely gives the Dodgers flexibility to do various things this winter as they piece the team together, and of course it goes without saying that Betts gives the Dodgers flexibility to switch from the infield to the outfield (or vice versa) during games. |
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Maybe the plan is to. Bring Hayward back to play right field, and get an upgrade over Peralta in Left Field?
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| waterman40 wrote: | | Maybe the plan is to. Bring Hayward back to play right field, and get an upgrade over Peralta in Left Field? |
Sure. But it all depends on his price tag. Heyward's looking to get paid. The thing about these 1 yr fixes is - they're usually not permanent. You get 1 good yr out of them and you cut your losses when they ask to get paid.
That's what we did with Tyler Anderson and Andrew Heaney.
Trayce Thompson turned back into a pumpkin this year.
There's always that fear. Heyward did great, but I wouldn't be surprised if he turns back into a pumpkin next year.
There's fear that Bellinger might be one of these 1 yr fixer-upper wonders as well. |
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| Quote: | Report: Shohei Ohtani May Be Open To Short-Term Deal
Those close to Shohei Ohtani believe he may be open to a short-term deal with an exceedingly high average annual value, according to a report.
Opting for that type of contract over a long-term deal worth upwards of $500 million would increase the number of potential suitors for Ohtani.
The record for annual contract value is $43.3 million -- set by Justin Verlander and Max Scherzer last season.
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Rumor: Ohtani interested in the Braves
| Quote: | “I had someone tell me that Shohei would be very intrigued by playing for the Atlanta Braves. I don’t expect the Braves to sign him because their priority is upgrading the pitching staff for 2024, but that gives you an idea of where his thought process is.”
Per Jon Morosi via MLB Network
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Makes sense. Dude is looking to win multiple titles and the Braves have the brightest future in MLB. |
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The Dodgers’ farm system came in second in a ranking of Stuff+, indicating a strong pool of upcoming pitching talent.
| Quote: | The Dodgers’ minor leaguers ranked second among 30 organizations in the Stuff+ category, a stat that measures pitch velocity, vertical break, horizontal break, arm angle, and release extension to determine how hard it is to hit a particular pitch.
According to Baseball America, L.A.’s farm system was No. 1 in velocity for four-seamers, sliders, and curveballs. Changeups ranked ninth, the system’s only ranking outside of the top five. They were second only to the Tampa Bay Rays’ system, which notched a Stuff+ of 119 to the Dodgers’ 116.
https://www.truebluela.com/2023/11/14/23960112/dodgers-farm-system-pitching-ranking
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Cody Bellinger back in LA?
| Quote: | | Could Cody Bellinger return to the Dodgers? It’s possible, writes Mike Axisa at CBS Sports. Bellinger is among the best free agents available, and while the Dodgers have other major expenses on their radar, the former Dodger could make for a very beneficial reunion. |
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| Quote: | Shohei Ohtani Rumors: Dodgers Ownership Determined To Sign Two-Way Star
According to ESPN’s Alden Gonzalez, the Dodgers ownership group, led by controlling partner Mark Walter, planned to be dogged in their pursuit of Ohtani:
| Quote: | The Dodgers have long been considered the favorites, for obvious reasons — they reside in Southern California, boast a rich history, have proven to be the industry’s most adept at sustained winning and have only two long-term deals on their books in Freeman and Betts.
Before October, Dodgers ownership, sources said, was highly motivated to land Ohtani. |
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This is what I've been saying all along. The Dodgers' interest in Ohtani isn't just a Friedman thing, it's an ownership mandate.
It just makes sense why they didn't go after Seager, or Trea Turner or any of the other big names the last couple of offseasons.
It's an ownership mandate that they leave as much room as necessary to land Ohtani.
Hence, all they've done the last couple of offseasons is sign players to 1 yr deals. The only player to get a big multi year deal was Freeman.
Other than that, it's been 1 yr deals or small 2 year deals (Muncy, Rojas, etc.) |
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| Quote: | Dodgers Rumors: Dino Ebel ‘May Be Considered’ For Angels Manager
According to Jon Heyman of the New York Post, the Angels could also give consideration to a familiar face in Los Angeles Dodgers third base coach Dino Ebel to become their new manager:
| Quote: | | Angels coach Benji Gil is a likely candidate, and former Angels stars Torii Hunter, Darin Erstad and Tim Salmon, plus Dodgers coach Dino Ebel may be considered. |
Prior to returning to the Dodgers organization as third base coach for the 2019 season, Ebel spent 14 years on former Angels manager Mike Scioscia’s coaching staff. Ebel worked as Angels third base coach for nine seasons (2006-2014, 2018) and also handled outfield coaching responsibilities at times.
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| Quote: | Dodgers Injury Update: Blake Treinen ‘Expected To Be A Full Go’
Dodgers general manager Brandon Gomes said Treinen should not have any limitations when Spring Training begins, per Fabian Ardaya of The Athletic:
| Quote: | | Gomes said Blake Treinen is expected to be a full go for the Dodgers in spring training after missing the entire 2023 season following offseason shoulder surgery. |
Gomes believes having a full offseason to get healthy will put Treinen on the right path to contribute during the 2024 season:
| Quote: | | “It’s really just get set up to go out and dominate and have a regular offseason and come into the year in a much more regular setup than he’s had over the last few years,” Gomes said. |
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Glad we got him for $1M this yr. Not a bad deal to paying him $8M to rehab last yr and $1M to play for us this yr. |
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | | Quote: | Dodgers Injury Update: Blake Treinen ‘Expected To Be A Full Go’
Dodgers general manager Brandon Gomes said Treinen should not have any limitations when Spring Training begins, per Fabian Ardaya of The Athletic:
| Quote: | | Gomes said Blake Treinen is expected to be a full go for the Dodgers in spring training after missing the entire 2023 season following offseason shoulder surgery. |
Gomes believes having a full offseason to get healthy will put Treinen on the right path to contribute during the 2024 season:
| Quote: | | “It’s really just get set up to go out and dominate and have a regular offseason and come into the year in a much more regular setup than he’s had over the last few years,” Gomes said. |
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Glad we got him for $1M this yr. Not a bad deal to paying him $8M to rehab last yr and $1M to play for us this yr. |
Yeah I’m a big fan of this. |
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | | Quote: | Dodgers Rumors: Dino Ebel ‘May Be Considered’ For Angels Manager
According to Jon Heyman of the New York Post, the Angels could also give consideration to a familiar face in Los Angeles Dodgers third base coach Dino Ebel to become their new manager:
| Quote: | | Angels coach Benji Gil is a likely candidate, and former Angels stars Torii Hunter, Darin Erstad and Tim Salmon, plus Dodgers coach Dino Ebel may be considered. |
Prior to returning to the Dodgers organization as third base coach for the 2019 season, Ebel spent 14 years on former Angels manager Mike Scioscia’s coaching staff. Ebel worked as Angels third base coach for nine seasons (2006-2014, 2018) and also handled outfield coaching responsibilities at times.
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Didn't the Angels already hire Ron Washington to be Manager? |
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| Lamar's Bud wrote: | | LongBeachPoly wrote: | | Quote: | Dodgers Rumors: Dino Ebel ‘May Be Considered’ For Angels Manager
According to Jon Heyman of the New York Post, the Angels could also give consideration to a familiar face in Los Angeles Dodgers third base coach Dino Ebel to become their new manager:
| Quote: | | Angels coach Benji Gil is a likely candidate, and former Angels stars Torii Hunter, Darin Erstad and Tim Salmon, plus Dodgers coach Dino Ebel may be considered. |
Prior to returning to the Dodgers organization as third base coach for the 2019 season, Ebel spent 14 years on former Angels manager Mike Scioscia’s coaching staff. Ebel worked as Angels third base coach for nine seasons (2006-2014, 2018) and also handled outfield coaching responsibilities at times.
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Oh yeah
Good point.
Maybe thats an old article.
Yup, sorry. Nov 5th article:
https://dodgersnation.com/los-angeles-dodgers-third-base-coach-dino-ebel-among-list-of-candidates-for-vacant-manager-position-with-the-los-angeles-angels/2023/11/05/ |
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| Padres owner Peter Seidler has died, the team announced. How awful. I hate their team but this just sucks, and of course he was the grandson of Walter O'Malley and the nephew of Peter O'Malley. May he RIP. |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | Padres owner Peter Seidler has died, the team announced. How awful. I hate their team but this just sucks, and of course he was the grandson of Walter O'Malley and the nephew of Peter O'Malley. May he RIP. |
Respect. Sucks he went out with such a poor season. |
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I saw something floated out there that Bo Bichette could be available from the Blue Jays, as he has two arbitration years remaining and his salary jumps up to about $12MM for this coming season before hitting almost $17.6MM in '25. If he's actually available, I would be going hard after him. Here's basically a .300 hitter with decent power who struck out less than 20% of the time last season. Doesn't turn 26 until next March. Led the AL in hits in 2021 and 2022 and may have done so again last season if it wasn't for a DL stint. I'm going to list Bichette's per-162 stats, and then list a mystery SS below that.
Bichette: .299/.340/.487, 27 HR, 96 RBI, 102 Runs, 200 Hits, 16 SB
Mystery SS: .296/.349/.483, 24 HR, 82 RBI, 111 Runs, 194 Hits, 42 SB
As you can see, other than the SB's, these are pretty comparable players. So who is this mystery SS? Well, it's none other than old friend Trea Turner. Bichette has a slightly-higher strikeout rate for his career but posted a better mark last year than Turner did, while Turner's walk rate is a little bit better. Bichette's line drive rate is considerably higher than Trea's, though, who still relies on several infield hits per month to keep his batting average up. Bichette is more of a prototypical hit machine. If you could get him for two years at an extremely affordable rate, obviously, think of what the Phillies forked over for Trea. Now, yeah, you'll have to give up something nice for him, but Busch is expendable, we can probably afford to give up one good pitching prospect/young guy (Sheehan? Stone?), and, hell, I'd even put Lux on the table if necessary. He has 3 arb years left and would stand to be way, way cheaper than Bichette will be, of course; he's estimated to earn only about $2MM in arb for '24. I'd give up Lux in a heartbeat if it meant getting Bichette.
Bichette is a really good hitter, he hasn't even reached his prime yet, and he's rated above-average defensively in every year except for 2022 for some reason. And he's a right-handed hitter, which would help for balance. GO GET THIS GUY! Let's say you trade for him, sign Ohtani, plus get a right-handed vet bat in free agency to play RF or LF, likey on a shorter-term deal, someone like a Pham or Adam Duvall or maybe even Hernandez if he'd take 2 years. (Let's say Taylor returns as the nominal starter in LF.) Here's my projected lineup:
Betts 2B
Freeman 1B
Bichette SS
Ohtani DH
Smith C
Muncy 3B
Duvall RF
Outman CF
Taylor LF
Bichette hits third to allow Ohtani to clean things up, now Smith is better-positioned to hit 5th instead of 3rd, and now Muncy is better-positioned to hit 6th instead of 4th. Duvall would be an interesting 1-year get as he still bashed 21 homers in just 92 games for Boston last year and appears to have retained his power stroke at age 35. This gives us full R-L-R-L balance from 1-9. I will say, though, that this projects for a lot of strikeouts from the 6-9 hitters, so instead of Duvall, perhaps the OF signee could be someone that makes a little more contact. Still, that would be a truly imposing lineup. |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | Padres owner Peter Seidler has died, the team announced. How awful. I hate their team but this just sucks, and of course he was the grandson of Walter O'Malley and the nephew of Peter O'Malley. May he RIP. |
Have to respect him putting all of his resources into his team to try to win while he was still alive. RIP |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | I saw something floated out there that Bo Bichette could be available from the Blue Jays, as he has two arbitration years remaining and his salary jumps up to about $12MM for this coming season before hitting almost $17.6MM in '25. If he's actually available, I would be going hard after him. Here's basically a .300 hitter with decent power who struck out less than 20% of the time last season. Doesn't turn 26 until next March. Led the AL in hits in 2021 and 2022 and may have done so again last season if it wasn't for a DL stint. I'm going to list Bichette's per-162 stats, and then list a mystery SS below that.
Bichette: .299/.340/.487, 27 HR, 96 RBI, 102 Runs, 200 Hits, 16 SB
Mystery SS: .296/.349/.483, 24 HR, 82 RBI, 111 Runs, 194 Hits, 42 SB
As you can see, other than the SB's, these are pretty comparable players. So who is this mystery SS? Well, it's none other than old friend Trea Turner. Bichette has a slightly-higher strikeout rate for his career but posted a better mark last year than Turner did, while Turner's walk rate is a little bit better. Bichette's line drive rate is considerably higher than Trea's, though, who still relies on several infield hits per month to keep his batting average up. Bichette is more of a prototypical hit machine. If you could get him for two years at an extremely affordable rate, obviously, think of what the Phillies forked over for Trea. Now, yeah, you'll have to give up something nice for him, but Busch is expendable, we can probably afford to give up one good pitching prospect/young guy (Sheehan? Stone?), and, hell, I'd even put Lux on the table if necessary. He has 3 arb years left and would stand to be way, way cheaper than Bichette will be, of course; he's estimated to earn only about $2MM in arb for '24. I'd give up Lux in a heartbeat if it meant getting Bichette.
Bichette is a really good hitter, he hasn't even reached his prime yet, and he's rated above-average defensively in every year except for 2022 for some reason. And he's a right-handed hitter, which would help for balance. GO GET THIS GUY! Let's say you trade for him, sign Ohtani, plus get a right-handed vet bat in free agency to play RF or LF, likey on a shorter-term deal, someone like a Pham or Adam Duvall or maybe even Hernandez if he'd take 2 years. (Let's say Taylor returns as the nominal starter in LF.) Here's my projected lineup:
Betts 2B
Freeman 1B
Bichette SS
Ohtani DH
Smith C
Muncy 3B
Duvall RF
Outman CF
Taylor LF
Bichette hits third to allow Ohtani to clean things up, now Smith is better-positioned to hit 5th instead of 3rd, and now Muncy is better-positioned to hit 6th instead of 4th. Duvall would be an interesting 1-year get as he still bashed 21 homers in just 92 games for Boston last year and appears to have retained his power stroke at age 35. This gives us full R-L-R-L balance from 1-9. I will say, though, that this projects for a lot of strikeouts from the 6-9 hitters, so instead of Duvall, perhaps the OF signee could be someone that makes a little more contact. Still, that would be a truly imposing lineup. |
Bichette would be a massive addition for the team. I'd hate to see what we'd have to give up to get him, but if someone that young and good is available, you have to explore it. About the only untouchable guy should be Bobby Miller. |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | I saw something floated out there that Bo Bichette could be available from the Blue Jays, as he has two arbitration years remaining and his salary jumps up to about $12MM for this coming season before hitting almost $17.6MM in '25. If he's actually available, I would be going hard after him. Here's basically a .300 hitter with decent power who struck out less than 20% of the time last season. Doesn't turn 26 until next March. Led the AL in hits in 2021 and 2022 and may have done so again last season if it wasn't for a DL stint. I'm going to list Bichette's per-162 stats, and then list a mystery SS below that.
Bichette: .299/.340/.487, 27 HR, 96 RBI, 102 Runs, 200 Hits, 16 SB
Mystery SS: .296/.349/.483, 24 HR, 82 RBI, 111 Runs, 194 Hits, 42 SB
As you can see, other than the SB's, these are pretty comparable players. So who is this mystery SS? Well, it's none other than old friend Trea Turner. Bichette has a slightly-higher strikeout rate for his career but posted a better mark last year than Turner did, while Turner's walk rate is a little bit better. Bichette's line drive rate is considerably higher than Trea's, though, who still relies on several infield hits per month to keep his batting average up. Bichette is more of a prototypical hit machine. If you could get him for two years at an extremely affordable rate, obviously, think of what the Phillies forked over for Trea. Now, yeah, you'll have to give up something nice for him, but Busch is expendable, we can probably afford to give up one good pitching prospect/young guy (Sheehan? Stone?), and, hell, I'd even put Lux on the table if necessary. He has 3 arb years left and would stand to be way, way cheaper than Bichette will be, of course; he's estimated to earn only about $2MM in arb for '24. I'd give up Lux in a heartbeat if it meant getting Bichette.
Bichette is a really good hitter, he hasn't even reached his prime yet, and he's rated above-average defensively in every year except for 2022 for some reason. And he's a right-handed hitter, which would help for balance. GO GET THIS GUY! Let's say you trade for him, sign Ohtani, plus get a right-handed vet bat in free agency to play RF or LF, likey on a shorter-term deal, someone like a Pham or Adam Duvall or maybe even Hernandez if he'd take 2 years. (Let's say Taylor returns as the nominal starter in LF.) Here's my projected lineup:
Betts 2B
Freeman 1B
Bichette SS
Ohtani DH
Smith C
Muncy 3B
Duvall RF
Outman CF
Taylor LF
Bichette hits third to allow Ohtani to clean things up, now Smith is better-positioned to hit 5th instead of 3rd, and now Muncy is better-positioned to hit 6th instead of 4th. Duvall would be an interesting 1-year get as he still bashed 21 homers in just 92 games for Boston last year and appears to have retained his power stroke at age 35. This gives us full R-L-R-L balance from 1-9. I will say, though, that this projects for a lot of strikeouts from the 6-9 hitters, so instead of Duvall, perhaps the OF signee could be someone that makes a little more contact. Still, that would be a truly imposing lineup. |
Bichette's asking price is going to be super high.
I'm thinking somewhere between what the asking price was last yr for Bryan Reynolds and Juan Soto.
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Yep, it will cost anyone. But not Soto-like, as he is considered a "generational" hitter who is still even younger than Bichette is now. And the Padres got 2+ years of him, and any acquiring team for Bichette will get 2 years exactly. Soto is looking for $400MM-plus for sure, and maybe even $500MM on his next deal. (Not saying he will get it, but I think $400MM is almost certain if he maintains this level in 2024, as young as he is.) Bichette, if he keeps up this pace, could be looking at about $200-250MM in free agency, as he won't get Trea money (doesn't steal as many bases), but he could eclipse Correa's $200MM deal, I'd say.
I wonder if an offer of Stone or Sheehan, Lux, Busch, and Cartaya would get their attention, or maybe 2 of the 3 of those last 3 names plus another lesser prospect or two. If you're getting 2 years of Bichette, 3 years of Lux becomes very expendable. Busch is apparently blocked, so use him to get something really valuable. Cartaya is still a top-100 guy but his star seemed to dim a little last season (not that he couldn't swing the pendelum back with a year of progress in '24, plus he's still quite young), and similar to how Cartaya himself passed up Keibert Ruiz in the eyes of many scouts, it could be similar here with Dalton Rushing. Either Stone or Sheehan could be a hit, but I'm willing to lose one of them, as I don't consider either a sure thing. So they'd be basically getting 3 years of Lux, 5-6 years of Busch, 5-6 years of either Sheehan or Stone, plus Cartaya.
Such an offer would still leave us with enough ammo to get someone like Burnes, by the way, since he is an expiring. |
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| Quote: | | Sources: Dodgers among the most interested teams in RHP Yoshinobu Yamamoto, one of the top pitchers available this offseason. His posting window has yet to formally open. |
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| ocho wrote: | | Quote: | | Sources: Dodgers among the most interested teams in RHP Yoshinobu Yamamoto, one of the top pitchers available this offseason. His posting window has yet to formally open. |
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If we don’t get Ohtani this would be a nice consolation. Would love to get both somehow. I mean it’s not my money! |
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| the only outside big name free agent they've ever signed under the current regime was Freddy Freeman, that's why i'm not holding my breath on Ohtani and Yamamoto. it's just not in AF's DNA to pull off big free agent signings. |
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| Quote: | Rays 'Widely Expected' To Trade Tyler Glasnow
The Tampa Bay Rays are "widely expected" to trade Tyler Glasnow this offseason, according to a report.
Glasnow will be a free agent after the 2024 season and should fetch the Rays a nice haul in return.
The 30-year-old is owed $25 million next year. He started 21 games this past season, posting a 3.53 ERA and 162 strikeouts in 120 innings.
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Don't mess with the Rays FO. They'll pick our best prospects in a trade. I'd stay away from them. |
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| SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | the only outside big name free agent they've ever signed under the current regime was Freddy Freeman, that's why i'm not holding my breath on Ohtani and Yamamoto. it's just not in AF's DNA to pull off big free agent signings. |
I think this year is going to be different. Friedman said yesterday that money will be no object this winter for ownership. Even though we didn't officially reset the tax penalties, last year really did feel like a reset of sorts. I think we're embarrassed from the playoff sweep.
Sign Ohtani, sign Yamamoto, trade for one of Burnes or Glasnow, trade for Bichette. Then Ohtani replaces one of Burnes/Glasnow in the '25 rotation. That's not too much to ask, right?  |
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Yeah, the biggest difference this yr is ownership is involved. It's a mandate to get Ohtani (whatever means necessary).
Ohtani might not pick us, but it won't be because we're playing games with him like we did with Harper and Seager. We're not trying to get him to take a discount to come play with us.
It's not going to be like Justin Turner or Trea Turner, sitting by the phone waiting for us to call. |
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