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Halflife
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Hard_Butter
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| Basketball Fan wrote: | | Basketball Fan wrote: | | The Lakers should win this one. |
I was clearly wrong 
The Rockets are over .500 for the first time in 3 years. That’s really surprising |
Question - You're from Indiana and been an LG staple. Are you even a Lakers fan? I'm genuinely asking out of curiosity cause I honestly don't know.
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Inspector Gadget
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| Halflife wrote: | | Vando will help. |
He might light a fire under some of the players but that’s not gonna change anything |
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dont_be_a_wuss
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Suns coming off a clutch overtime win tonight. Friday is going to be a tough test.
It’s looking more likely than not, that we will be 3-6 come Friday night. But hey, no worries, let’s just keep coach Ham and keep doing what we’re doing.
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Polarbear
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| Brawn13 wrote: | | Polarbear wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Polarbear wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | Polarbear wrote: | | It’s hard to evaluate when half of the rotation players are injured |
That doesn’t explain the slow starts |
Yes, it does
This team played defense last year. They are obviously missing vando for the early part of the season.
It’s all about the Defense |
Putting all the hopes on 1 good player isn’t gonna change anything if players are playing for there next contract |
It’s all about the energy vando is an energy player that his teammates feed off of |
These losses are far deeper than energy. Teams know how to beat us. We are constantly losing the Chess battle also, thanks to our head coach. |
If we are healthy, getting most of the 50-50 balls and playing good defense like we did last year this looks like a different team at least that’s what I’m hoping |
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AtlLaker
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| Polarbear wrote: | | AtlLaker wrote: | | I try my hardest to be positive around here, but boy they make it hard smdh. |
If there was ever a boo bird on this board, it’s you try harder |
Our lakers look horrible and we are struggling even during wins. Have you read the board the last few games ? It’s others saying the same and more than I do. |
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Dominic1981
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The Lakers big problem is AR/DLO get out-athleted every game. It’s nearly impossible to be a good defensive team when you got 2 wings that can’t keep anyone in front of them, LeGramps huffin and puffin down the court, and some very soft forwards in Wood/Prince.
Then take AD out and it’s a bottom 5 defense. |
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Bron2AD
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| How you lose by 34 points to rockets? Wtf no pride |
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Halflife
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | Vando will help. |
He might light a fire under some of the players but that’s not gonna change anything |
I don’t know about all of that but he plays with energy.
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Inspector Gadget
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| Polarbear wrote: | | Brawn13 wrote: | | Polarbear wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Polarbear wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | Polarbear wrote: | | It’s hard to evaluate when half of the rotation players are injured |
That doesn’t explain the slow starts |
Yes, it does
This team played defense last year. They are obviously missing vando for the early part of the season.
It’s all about the Defense |
Putting all the hopes on 1 good player isn’t gonna change anything if players are playing for there next contract |
It’s all about the energy vando is an energy player that his teammates feed off of |
These losses are far deeper than energy. Teams know how to beat us. We are constantly losing the Chess battle also, thanks to our head coach. |
If we are healthy, getting most of the 50-50 balls and playing good defense like we did last year this looks like a different team at least that’s what I’m hoping |
Hopefully your right but the odds are last year’s run doesn’t carry over, should have bought back Schroeder he’s being missed big time |
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | TDRock wrote: | | Not gonna lie I stop paying full attention to the game pretty early on. You know missing people and all that is not in anyone's control. But effort is and I've said it before and I'll say it again this game did not pass the vibe check. I'm not sure what's going on but the vibes aren't there. |
I think the AD charade really screws up the game plan and effort. AD wants to play it off like he is a tough guy who wants to play through discomfort so he pretends like he is going to play, knowing full well he will not. Then the players are waiting in anticipation and hit with a curveball 20 minutes before tip-off. If he would’ve been ruled out yesterday, we would’ve played better. |
I don't know if I think he's doing anything that diabolical. I think he just really wants to shake off his "soft" image but his body isn't up to the task.
And I just really think Ham doesn't have a complete game plan other than riding his stars which of course your stars are meant to be your primary go to-s I get that. But you know but we see Team after team after team who can adjust if something happens with their stars like the Sun's almost beat us with no one there besides KD... I just feel like I'm seeing some coaching issues like obviously I'm not a coach and I don't know for sure but it feels coaching related
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Dominic1981
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If the Lakers want to get back to being a gritty, tough team that keeps game close in the 4th for their stars to take over, I’d play this lineup when guys are healthy:
PG- Vincent
SG- Lebron
SF- Rui
PF- Prince
C- AD
Vincent and Rui will give the Lakers far more on defense/toughness than AR/Dlo |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2023 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Hard_Butter wrote: | | Basketball Fan wrote: | | Basketball Fan wrote: | | The Lakers should win this one. |
I was clearly wrong
The Rockets are over .500 for the first time in 3 years. That’s really surprising |
Question - You're from Indiana and been an LG staple. Are you even a Lakers fan? I'm genuinely asking out of curiosity cause I honestly don't know. |
I am a Pacers fan but I have followed the Lakers through the years. Rick Fox went to my old HS, Kobe was one of my fave players. I am not fond of them now since Lebron has been there. |
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dont_be_a_wuss
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| TDRock wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | TDRock wrote: | | Not gonna lie I stop paying full attention to the game pretty early on. You know missing people and all that is not in anyone's control. But effort is and I've said it before and I'll say it again this game did not pass the vibe check. I'm not sure what's going on but the vibes aren't there. |
I think the AD charade really screws up the game plan and effort. AD wants to play it off like he is a tough guy who wants to play through discomfort so he pretends like he is going to play, knowing full well he will not. Then the players are waiting in anticipation and hit with a curveball 20 minutes before tip-off. If he would’ve been ruled out yesterday, we would’ve played better. |
I don't know if I think he's doing anything that diabolical. I think he just really wants to shake off his "soft" image but his body isn't up to the task.
And I just really think Ham doesn't have a complete game plan other than riding his stars which of course your stars are meant to be your primary go to-s I get that. But you know but we see Team after team after team who can adjust if something happens with their stars like the Sun's almost beat us with no one there besides KD... I just feel like I'm seeing some coaching issues like obviously I'm not a coach and I don't know for sure but it feels coaching related |
Yeah, I agree, it’s not a diabolical thing AD is doing, more of a hopeful, and out of touch with his identity thing he is doing. The Suns nearly beat us short handed but it was known at least 36 hours before tip off that those players would be unavailable so they were able to game plan accordingly. AD is out of touch with himself and trying to pretend he is someone else. |
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Denny_Russo
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2023 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Basketball Fan wrote: | | Hard_Butter wrote: | | Basketball Fan wrote: | | Basketball Fan wrote: | | The Lakers should win this one. |
I was clearly wrong
The Rockets are over .500 for the first time in 3 years. That’s really surprising |
Question - You're from Indiana and been an LG staple. Are you even a Lakers fan? I'm genuinely asking out of curiosity cause I honestly don't know. |
I am a Pacers fan but I have followed the Lakers through the years. Rick Fox went to my old HS, Kobe was one of my fave players. I am not fond of them now since Lebron has been there. |
Ha. That's basically a contingent of Laker fans. You aren't alone.
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| rock0100 wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | rock0100 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | LeBron looks way worse then last year not sure coaching has anything to do with it, he doesn’t have what it takes to help us in games like this |
Lebron has been our best player all year. He isn’t the problem.
Neither is talent. It’s the guy steering the ship. Ham was bad last year also.
Strictly an assistant. |
Totally agree.
Ham is a terrible coach.
Doesn’t prepare the team ever!
Doesn’t hold guys accountable ever!
Doesn’t make adjustments in-game, ever!
He’s not a head coach and the Lakers whiffed on picking the right guy.
Nurse, Monty, anyone would have been better.
And you can’t tell me this team really practices hard. Players now are spoiled brats. Give them a couple weeks of what Pat Riley used to do to guys.
Ham is a wuss, everyone is my friend, coach. |
Spot on. |
I agreed with all the above. But it has more to do with Laker ownership and culture than coach himself. You can insert in Monty, Nurse or Ty Lue, but once they become lakers head coach, they will be just like Ham is doing now, cater to stars, become buddy buddy with every player. It’s the Laker way, the ownership values players, especially star players over head coach. The only time in recent memory head coach who actually commanded respects were pat riley and Phil Jackson. Just look at Vogel, now that he’s in PHX, he will be that defensive minded coach he always have. |
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miggz23
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Green shooting like 41%/37% for the season goes for 73%/83%
Our starting guards are both 6'5 but provides very little point attack defense or any resistance. |
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Dreamshake
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| AD changes everything, but I'm liking how Udoka has the kids looking. We actually have an offensive system. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2023 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Dreamshake wrote: | | AD changes everything, but I'm liking how Udoka has the kids looking. We actually have an offensive system. |
They look better than I thought they would. |
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| Dreamshake wrote: | | AD changes everything, but I'm liking how Udoka has the kids looking. We actually have an offensive system. |
Udoka is legit. Been saying it since his San Antonio days. I also remember his brief stint with the Lakers.
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dont_be_a_wuss
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2023 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| miggz23 wrote: | Green shooting like 41%/37% for the season goes for 73%/83%
Our starting guards are both 6'5 but provides very little point attack defense or any resistance. |
When you’re playing against a shot defense, good things can happen for you.
Isn’t Ham a defensive specialist? |
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| Dominic1981 wrote: | The Lakers big problem is AR/DLO get out-athleted every game. It’s nearly impossible to be a good defensive team when you got 2 wings that can’t keep anyone in front of them, LeGramps huffin and puffin down the court, and some very soft forwards in Wood/Prince.
Then take AD out and it’s a bottom 5 defense. |
Agreed! we have NO athleticism. we still can't shoot. and AD is still injured lol. it's almost laughable at this point. |
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miggz23
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| Basketball Fan wrote: | | Dreamshake wrote: | | AD changes everything, but I'm liking how Udoka has the kids looking. We actually have an offensive system. |
They look better than I thought they would. |
They have won 4 in a row. 3 of those wins were blow outs. They remind me of the Jazz last season. Came out the gates hot and then slowly dropped off as the season goes on. |
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anth2000
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2023 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Denny_Russo wrote: | | Dreamshake wrote: | | AD changes everything, but I'm liking how Udoka has the kids looking. We actually have an offensive system. |
Udoka is legit. Been saying it since his San Antonio days. I also remember his brief stint with the Lakers. |
Yes, Udoka is good but again. Don’t overrate him. He left and Mazulla came in the following season and did a BETTER job and won more games. |
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miggz23
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | Green shooting like 41%/37% for the season goes for 73%/83%
Our starting guards are both 6'5 but provides very little point attack defense or any resistance. |
When you’re playing against a shot defense, good things can happen for you.
Isn’t Ham a defensive specialist? |
He suppose to be... But his top 2 defensive guys and only shot blocker are hurt. Back-up C also hurt. Gabe who is a defensive guy also hurt.
They are left with Prince and Wood as the shot blocker. |
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