I’m in contact with Mayor Bass, Gov. Newsom, and CA federal elected officials about the closures on I-10 in Los Angeles caused by fire damage and the impact it is having on traffic. Our Federal Highways administrator will be in LA tomorrow, and USDOT will help any way we can.
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:31 pm Post subject:
Storage yards under overpasses is pretty much the given everywhere. There’s not really any other options for gag kind of commercial space. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:52 pm Post subject:
jonnybravo wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
Storage yards under overpasses is pretty much the given everywhere. There’s not really any other options for gag kind of commercial space.
Are the areas underneath public property or do they have owners?
Anywhere there is actual space for real estate, it’s commercial or industrial space; though it’s often used for CalTrans or CHP facilities. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
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Storage yards under overpasses is pretty much the given everywhere. There’s not really any other options for gag kind of commercial space.
Are the areas underneath public property or do they have owners?
- It was in downtown LA.
- iirc, usually the fwy overpass runs over a public street.
- The pallet yard was huge. I heard the equivalent of 6 football fields.
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The fire was first reported around 1:45 a.m. in the 1700 block of East 14th Street where the first of two fires was burning in a 40,000-square-foot pallet yard, directly under the 10 Freeway at Alameda Street.
- Found these on reddit:
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Also, the "lease" for this yard was expired and the leaser was cited for violations over a period of at least months, and they suspected that the space was being subleased.
Why is it allowed for the space under a freeway to be leased??!!
How were they ok with huge stacks of wood to be there?? Apparently it wasn't the only pallet yard under the freeway. There were/ are multiple!
This is a HUGE state and local government failure!
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Caltrans makes a ton of money renting those spaces under the freeway. Looks like they just didn’t think this one through very well
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:46 am Post subject:
In that part of town, nearly all of those underpass locations are leased out. Car storage, container storage, tons of homeless squatters, etc. I don't think I've seen pallet storage but I'm not surprised. _________________ You are under no obligation to remain the same person you were a year ago, a month ago, or even a day ago. You are here to create yourself, continuously. - Richard Feynman
My guess is that part of the freeway will be demolished from the fire damage. Will most likely be out of commission for a couple of months. Something similar happened to where I live at where somebody parked a burning oil tanker and it took out part of the bridge.
I've passed thru the area several times recently for work and it's tent city out there. The whole area is a complete mess overflowing with homeless. Was only a matter of time before this happened. Would bet money that's how this started. Smh. _________________ "Dread it, run from it... destiny arrives all the same."
I've passed thru the area several times recently for work and it's tent city out there. The whole area is a complete mess overflowing with homeless. Was only a matter of time before this happened. Would bet money that's how this started. Smh.
Which makes the oversight even worse.
You've got homeless living in an area with tons of pallets under an overpass. You know homeless are lighting fires for heating/cooking/smoking....
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 6:21 pm Post subject:
PLATNUM wrote:
I've passed thru the area several times recently for work and it's tent city out there. The whole area is a complete mess overflowing with homeless. Was only a matter of time before this happened. Would bet money that's how this started. Smh.
Fires like this have become hugely prolific across the county due to fires that start in homeless encampments under overpasses and along freeways. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
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Sounds like they are gonna start inspecting those underpass locations to make sure there aren't any future disasters in waiting. Because rebuilding a freeway is pretty expensive and time consuming.
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:10 am Post subject:
lakersken80 wrote:
Sounds like they are gonna start inspecting those underpass locations to make sure there aren't any future disasters in waiting. Because rebuilding a freeway is pretty expensive and time consuming.
Homelessness and gun violence. Both obviously have a root cause that need fixing. But all we really do is try to fix things along the margins.
Doing checks for fire hazards under freeway underpasses feels similar to arming teachers in schools. _________________ "knew I was fly when I was just a caterpillar."
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Newsom says that freeway section will be out of commission for 3-5 weeks for repairs. Looks like it won't need to be demolished.
That’s good news. Here is Gavin’s press conference where he mentions the 3-5 week assessment — he’s hoping it will be closer to 3 rather than 5, they will work 24 hours a day, rain or shine (around 6:10 of the vid):
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 5:22 pm Post subject:
kikanga wrote:
Doing checks for fire hazards under freeway underpasses feels similar to arming teachers in schools.
I can’t see how doing fire safety checks under freeway rights of ways even remotely compares to giving teachers guns. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:19 pm Post subject:
DaMuleRules wrote:
kikanga wrote:
Doing checks for fire hazards under freeway underpasses feels similar to arming teachers in schools.
I can’t see how doing fire safety checks under freeway rights of ways even remotely compares to giving teachers guns.
In this case, I've read it was homeless people starting the fires.
I would like to see proactive progressive policy that helps the currently homeless get housed. And proactive progressive policy that prevents people from becoming homeless in the future. Similar to what Finland does.
Checking for fire hazards might prevent this from happening in the future. But you can't check every overpass every day and night.
Similarly, you can't train every teacher to be robocop. So they can neutralize threats in schools. We live in a country with more guns than people. _________________ "knew I was fly when I was just a caterpillar."
Doing checks for fire hazards under freeway underpasses feels similar to arming teachers in schools.
I can’t see how doing fire safety checks under freeway rights of ways even remotely compares to giving teachers guns.
In this case, I've read it was homeless people starting the fires.
I would like to see proactive progressive policy that helps the currently homeless get housed. And proactive progressive policy that prevents people from becoming homeless in the future. Similar to what Finland does.
Checking for fire hazards might prevent this from happening in the future. But you can't check every overpass every day and night.
Similarly, you can't train every teacher to be robocop. So they can neutralize threats in schools. We live in a country with more guns than people.
I think you misunderstood.
My guess/interpretation was not that they will be checking for fires or homeless people.
I interpreted it to mean that they will ban flammable things (such as pallets) from being stored under overpasses and the checks will be to make sure this rule is being followed.
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 10:06 am Post subject:
kikanga wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
kikanga wrote:
Doing checks for fire hazards under freeway underpasses feels similar to arming teachers in schools.
I can’t see how doing fire safety checks under freeway rights of ways even remotely compares to giving teachers guns.
In this case, I've read it was homeless people starting the fires.
I would like to see proactive progressive policy that helps the currently homeless get housed. And proactive progressive policy that prevents people from becoming homeless in the future. Similar to what Finland does.
Checking for fire hazards might prevent this from happening in the future. But you can't check every overpass every day and night.
Similarly, you can't train every teacher to be robocop. So they can neutralize threats in schools. We live in a country with more guns than people.
Doing inspections of underpasses to ensure that dangerous storage conditions like these pallet facilities are corrected isn't some dangerous move to regulate homelessness. It's being done as a means to prevent these kinds of massive fires causing huge amounts of damage. The problem isn't the presence of unhoused people. The problem is that such storage facilities present a dangerously combustible situation. So I still don't see how there is a correlation to the dangers of legislation aimed at putting guns int teachers hands.
Nw, in regards to the homeless crisis, I'm right with you on policy change to not only reduce the number of people who fined themselves unhoused, but to also provide reasonable low income housing resolutions for those that. But doing so is a whole different concept that the ill advised one oof providing weapons to teachers. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
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