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Go get him. Small, no defense, chucker, gets dinged up, yada yada.
Go get him. We need a third player who is a consistent 30-point threat.
Give up Reaves, Rui, whoever - we didn't get it done with those guys, anyway.
Go get Trae Young.
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I do think Trae + AD is a really great pairing. And he is a 27 year old star who has potential to carry a team on the offensive end. If Lakers do indeed go for Trae for AR + Rui + 3 FRP's, then they have to hope they can package DLO for a 3&D 2 guard. Not sure who fits the mold or who is actually available.
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Can be taken out of games easily. Blitz him and now what? A 4 on 3 with AD and whom else? Is not elite enough of a shooter to compensate for his size, isn't athletic enough to score without a screen against ball pressure, and would be a terrible fit defensively next to either Reaves or Russell.
If we love the Trae Young system so much, have Reaves and DLo take turns being the top of the arc PnR ballhandlers. No they're not as good as Trae at playmaking, but you can make additive changes to the roster instead of trading depth for an oompa loompa. |
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| Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 11:44 am Post subject: |
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Only if Vando improves his shooting then Trae replaces DLo. AR 6th man. Can’t see Trae-AR, that’s even weaker defensively than DLo-AR
Trae-Gabenot big enough
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The problem with going for Trae is the cost. You’re probably looking at Reaves/Rui/Gabe/3 1sts. That’s a lot. Pretty much left with Vando as your only other trade chip with no picks to throw in. The rest of the team would be mins and we know how that tends to go. Is this even going to appeal to Atlanta? Probably not.
If they’re intent on keeping this thing afloat it’s probably better to break the assets and picks up into multiple deals to improve multiple spots.
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^Without a DLo opt in to use in salary aggregation, you need at least Rui + (Reaves, Gabe or Vando) + JHS + MaxL + vet min player opt in (Wood, Cam or Hayes) to get to the 34.2m minimum amount necessary for salary matching. Keep in mind that this would account for a favorable (125% + 250k) trade multiplier which then triggers the 1st Apron hardcap of 179m
| Quote: | 1. Bron 51.4m (player option)
2. AD 43.2m
3. Trae 43m (player option)
4. Reaves 13m
5. Vando 10.7m
6-14. 9 vet mins deals (@ 2.1m cap hit per) 18.9m
= 180.2m in potential team salary |
….which would breach the 179m 1st Apron hardcap. The only way to circumvent this is if Reaves is swapped out with Gabe’s lesser salary and/or Bron opts out & takes 50m per instead of the full max he’s allowed.
Also note that we could use the ntpMLE to bypass the use of some vet min exceptions in order to divvy among some of our vet min guys to give them longer that 2yr deals since it does trigger the 1st Apron hardcap, as long as the 179m hardcap isn’t breached in doing so. Btw, it makes no difference if these are 10+ seasoned vet mins or undrafted rookie vet mins…when it comes to hardcap math, they will each count as 2.1m in a cap hit which is the equivalent of a 2+ seasoned vet min amount….as long as they on 1 yr deals. Recall Cam, Wood & Hayes only count as more since their player options essentially gave them 2yr deals on a vet min deal.
Lastly we can also operate as a team hardcapped at the 190m 2nd Apron instead, however we would have to send a minimum of 43m to trade for Trae’s contract & if that is the case, then Rui + 2 of (Reaves, Gabe and Vando) + JHS (+ MaxL only if Reaves is spared & Gabe + Vando go out instead) gets 100% trade matching satisfied and that round snap mean we could use the 5.2m tpMLE which also triggers the 2nd Apron hardcap).
All that being said, Trae would be amazing offensively, but why yall hate AD so much? Defensively he would have to shoulder sooo much of the load, no different to this season. We can all chip in to provide shoulder rubs, but that still doesn’t put us in the best position to improve our ‘chip count.
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| vasashi17+ wrote: | ^Without a DLo opt in to use in salary aggregation, you need at least Rui + (Reaves, Gabe or Vando) + JHS + MaxL + vet min player opt in (Wood, Cam or Hayes) to get to the 34.2m minimum amount necessary for salary matching. Keep in mind that this would account for a favorable (125% + 250k) trade multiplier which then triggers the 1st Apron hardcap of 179m
| Quote: | 1. Bron 51.4m (player option)
2. AD 43.2m
3. Trae 43m (player option)
4. Reaves 13m
5. Vando 10.7m
6-14. 9 vet mins deals (@ 2.1m cap hit per) 18.9m
= 180.2m in potential team salary |
….which would breach the 179m 1st Apron hardcap. The only way to circumvent this is if Reaves is swapped out with Gabe’s lesser salary and/or Bron opts out & takes 50m per instead of the full max he’s allowed.
Also note that we could use the ntpMLE to bypass the use of some vet min exceptions in order to divvy among some of our vet min guys to give them longer that 2yr deals since it does trigger the 1st Apron hardcap, as long as the 179m hardcap isn’t breached in doing so.
Lastly we can also operate as a team hardcapped at the 190m 2nd Apron instead, however we would have to send a minimum of 43m to trade for Trae’s contract & if that is the case, then Rui + 2 of (Reaves, Gabe and Vando) + JHS (+ MaxL only if Reaves is spared & Gabe + Vando go out instead) gets 100% trade matching satisfied and that round snap mean we could use the 5.2m tpMLE which also triggers the 2nd Apron hardcap).
All that being said, Trae would be amazing offensively, but why yall hate AD so much? Defensively he would have to shoulder sooo much of the load, no different to this season. We can all chip in to provide shoulder rubs, but that still doesn’t put us in the best position to improve our ‘chip count. |
Give us your dream roster Vas, using the 3 picks but Bron stays at max
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The fact that ATL essentially rid Doncic in favor for him is so laughable to me....and should be a fire able offence to whatever GM pulled that blunder. Same goes for the Sac hack that took Bagley.
Trae too small and gets hunted way too often defensively. It'd be like having IT all over again. The guy to get on their squad was Dejounte. I was initially against trading DLO for him at the deadline but I now think of having a guy like DM who scores on all three levels and plays hard on D instead of blase DLO....we should've made that trade --- DM >>>> DLO/Trae
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^@Gov: Id target Mikal Bridges or Cam from BK or OG from NY. Granted in the latter, maybe Rose is open to such a scenario if Philly completes the comeback and eliminates the Knicks in the 1st round. Reportedly they really want Booker, but Book wants to be like the Mamba & stay with 1 org for his career while delivering a title. Maybe they look at CAA client DLo as a contingency option to Book and maybe that makes DLo opt in to get rerouted to NY along with our picks.
There’s also the Myles option I’ve been chirping about, but Pritchard is a tough nut to crack in getting a deal done with Indy.
I’d also revisit Dejounte if we can’t realistically get anything else done above. Just bring in capable defenders for AD pretty please 🙏🏼
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| Love Trae Young but not for this team. |
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| vasashi17+ wrote: | ^@Gov: Id target Mikal Bridges or Cam from BK or OG from NY. Granted in the latter, maybe Rose is open to such a scenario if Philly completes the comeback and eliminates the Knicks in the 1st round. Reportedly they really want Booker, but Book wants to be like the Mamba & stay with 1 org for his career while delivering a title. Maybe they look at CAA client DLo as a contingency option to Book and maybe that makes DLo opt in to get rerouted to NY along with our picks.
There’s also the Myles option I’ve been chirping about, but Pritchard is a tough nut to crack in getting a deal done with Indy.
I’d also revisit Dejounte if we can’t realistically get anything else done above. Just bring in capable defenders for AD pretty please 🙏🏼 |
Leon Rose was at Embiid’s wedding so maybe if the Knicks the one that prevail lol, I think OG is locked in NY but Mikal Bridges would be awesome, Myles too. How the numbers would look
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| governator wrote: | | vasashi17+ wrote: | ^@Gov: Id target Mikal Bridges or Cam from BK or OG from NY. Granted in the latter, maybe Rose is open to such a scenario if Philly completes the comeback and eliminates the Knicks in the 1st round. Reportedly they really want Booker, but Book wants to be like the Mamba & stay with 1 org for his career while delivering a title. Maybe they look at CAA client DLo as a contingency option to Book and maybe that makes DLo opt in to get rerouted to NY along with our picks.
There’s also the Myles option I’ve been chirping about, but Pritchard is a tough nut to crack in getting a deal done with Indy.
I’d also revisit Dejounte if we can’t realistically get anything else done above. Just bring in capable defenders for AD pretty please 🙏🏼 |
Leon Rose was at Embiid’s wedding so maybe if the Knicks the one that prevail lol, I think OG is locked in NY but Mikal Bridges would be awesome, Myles too. How the numbers would look |
Bridges and miles would be a huge upgrade.
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| Halflife wrote: | | governator wrote: | | vasashi17+ wrote: | ^@Gov: Id target Mikal Bridges or Cam from BK or OG from NY. Granted in the latter, maybe Rose is open to such a scenario if Philly completes the comeback and eliminates the Knicks in the 1st round. Reportedly they really want Booker, but Book wants to be like the Mamba & stay with 1 org for his career while delivering a title. Maybe they look at CAA client DLo as a contingency option to Book and maybe that makes DLo opt in to get rerouted to NY along with our picks.
There’s also the Myles option I’ve been chirping about, but Pritchard is a tough nut to crack in getting a deal done with Indy.
I’d also revisit Dejounte if we can’t realistically get anything else done above. Just bring in capable defenders for AD pretty please 🙏🏼 |
Leon Rose was at Embiid’s wedding so maybe if the Knicks the one that prevail lol, I think OG is locked in NY but Mikal Bridges would be awesome, Myles too. How the numbers would look |
Bridges and miles would be a huge upgrade. |
Didn't Brooklyn turn four 1st round picks for Bridges? That's insane. How would the Lakers ever meet the asking price? |
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| Anyway we get Ant? I would love to see him in P&G. or Spida works too. |
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| ksmgf wrote: | | Anyway we get Ant? I would love to see him in P&G. or Spida works too. |
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@Gov
| Quote: | 1. Bron 50m (opt out & reup w NTC installed in new deal)
2. AD 43.2m
3. Mikal, CamJ, OG, Myles, Dejounte ~25m
4. Reaves 13m
5. ntpMLE 12.9m
6. Gabe 11m
7. Vando 10.7m
8. MaxL 1.9m
9. #55 (Bronny?) 1.2m
10-14. 5 Vet mins 10.5m
= 178.9m in team salary with JHS, MaxC, Wood/Hayes/CamR via player opt ins &/or #17 all potentially traded for that ~25m player &/or ntpMLE player(s) |
You can create more wiggle below the 179m hardcap by getting Bron to shave a bit off the top when he opts out & reups, with trading for or utilizing less than the full 12.9m MLE and of course the variance of that ~25m player I (we) hope to trade for.
As long as the contract is at most 29m, we can use a favorable multiplier of the outgoing amount +7.5m to salary match. Mikal, Cam, OG, Myles & Dejounte all can be had in an 1for1 salary trade for either an opted in DLo or Rui. Granted going this route means the 1st Apron hardcap is triggered, but since we’re only bringing in a mid 20m type deal in the trade, we should have plenty of wiggle after the fact. Not to mention, we could still have the use of the ntpMLE and now that resource can not only bring you a free agent, but it can snap be used as a 12.9m TPE where you can trade for players already under contract (ie maybe a 9.9m AC reunion+ 2.9m Craig via player option).
Also a triggered 1st Apron hardcap is probably something ownership is looking to do in terms of capping the repeater tax amount.
| Quote: | What are the differences between the current & new trade rules & when does it come into effect?
Any team eliminated from the playoffs from now to June 30th, can make a trade with contracts that still have guaranteed money remaining for the 2023/24 season (ie non expiring contracts) & can use a 125% multiplier towards outgoing salary + 100k for salary matching
After June 30th, trades for teams below 1st Apron can be made using:
•200% multiplier towards outgoing salary up to 7.5m + 250k for salary matching
•outgoing salary between 7.5m and 29m + 7.5m for salary matching
•125% multiplier towards outgoing salary greater than 29m + 250k for salary matching
For teams above 1st Apron, an 100% multiplier (aka no favorable trade multiplier) is used towards all outgoing salary
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| vasashi17+ wrote: | @Gov
| Quote: | 1. Bron 50m (opt out & reup w NTC installed in new deal)
2. AD 43.2m
3. Mikal, CamJ, OG, Myles, Dejounte ~25m
4. Reaves 13m
5. ntpMLE 12.9m
6. Gabe 11m
7. Vando 10.7m
8. MaxL 1.9m
9. #55 (Bronny?) 1.2m
10-14. 5 Vet mins 10.5m
= 178.9m in team salary with JHS, MaxC, Wood/Hayes/CamR via player opt ins &/or #17 all potentially traded for that ~25m player &/or ntpMLE player(s) |
As long as the contract is at most 29m, we can use a favorable multiplier of the outgoing amount +7.5m to salary match. Mikal, Cam, OG, Myles & Dejounte all can be had in a 1for1 salary trade for either an opted in DLo or Rui. Granted going this route means the 1st Apron hardcap is triggered, but since we’re only bringing in mid 20m type desks in the trade, we should have plenty of wiggle after the fact. No to mention, we could still have the use of the ntpMLE and now that resource can not only bring you a free agent, but it can snap be used as a 12.9m TPE where you can trade for players already under contract (ie maybe a 9.9m AC reunion+ 2.9m Craig via player option)
| Quote: | What are the differences between the current & new trade rules & when does it come into effect?
Any team eliminated from the playoffs from now to June 30th, can make a trade with contracts that still have guaranteed money remaining for the 2023/24 season (ie non expiring contracts) & can use a 125% multiplier towards outgoing salary + 100k for salary matching
After June 30th, trades for teams below 1st Apron can be made using:
•200% multiplier towards outgoing salary up to 7.5m + 250k for salary matching
•outgoing salary between 7.5m and 29m + 7.5m for salary matching
•125% multiplier towards outgoing salary greater than 29m + 250k for salary matching
For teams above 1st Apron, an 100% multiplier (aka no favorable trade multiplier) is used towards all outgoing salary
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Reaves-Mikal-Vando-Bron-AD would be strong
Man, make me wish Bron bring in Mikal AND Myles, u know, less is more
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| Inverse wrote: | | I do think Trae + AD is a really great pairing. And he is a 27 year old star who has potential to carry a team on the offensive end. If Lakers do indeed go for Trae for AR + Rui + 3 FRP's, then they have to hope they can package DLO for a 3&D 2 guard. Not sure who fits the mold or who is actually available. |
Trae young is 25years old. I would love to pair him and Vando in the backcourt.
I think DLO opts in.
DLO 18.7
Rui 17
Gabe 11
JHS 3.9
17th pick 3.6
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Total = 54.2
add in Hayes + Wood + Cam =7
we can bring in salary of 66m
so how about Trae + Hunter for above and picks
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@B2AD: #17 only counts as salary aggregate if you sign that drafted player & then reroute them 1 month later. Otherwise it just counts as a 3.8m caphold on our books or to whoever we trade it to. If the pick gets traded within the 30 days of when drafted player’s pen meets paper, then it counts as $0 in a trade.
The package of DLo, Rui, Gabe, JHS, Wood, Hayes, Cam & #17 is 58.6m in trade aggregate (62.4m in trade aggregate 1 month after #17 inks deal). Meanwhile Trae/Hunter aggregate to 64.7m. So your package works in either format, although since a trade multiplier of >100% is involved, then the 1st Apron hardcap is triggered.
| Quote: | 1. Bron 50m (opt out & reup w NTC installed in new deal)
2. AD 43.2m
3. Trae 43m
4. Hunter 21.7m
5. Reaves 13m
6. Partial tpMLE ~4m (triggers 2nd Apron)
7. MaxL 1.9m
8. #55 (Bronny?) 1.2m
9-14. 6 Vet mins 12.6m
~190m in team salary which is at the 2nd Apron hardcap. |
Note Vando’s 10.7m deal had to be included in the trade package not only cause we would be in breach of the 2nd Apron hardcap if he were still on our books, but also so that we would meet 100% in trade matching which would allow us to breach the 179m 1st Apron by not utilizing a favorable trade multiplier. However trade aggregation of any sort does lead to the 2nd Apron hardcap getting triggered and impacting our team spending for the remainder of the 2024/25 season.
Hope that isn’t too hard to follow.
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| Quote: | That’s not to say that Trae Young has a no trade clause — he doesn’t — but if he were hellbent on remaining a member of the Atlanta Hawks, he wouldn’t be saying the kind of things he did on the “From the Point” podcast today. “Everybody knows like obviously I want to be in Atlanta. When I was drafted, that’s where I wanted to spend my whole career, but at the same time I want to win. So if we’re not on the same page and all, I want to win right now. I mean there’s times teams want to take their time and be slow with the winning process and it’s just like, I’m not there anymore. Like I want to win, and I’ve always been that way. I don’t feel like I have very much time to waste, and so I just want to continue to play at a high level and I feel like I can do that and play at a high level and win.”
https://clutchpoints.com/trae-young-drops-hints-on-possibly-leaving-hawks-as-trade-rumors-swirl
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Myles bridges and mikal. Instead of reaves and dlo. No trae
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