Is there even options left? Adams? Vucevic? What about Olynyk, what would it take? _________________ “The main goal for the Lakers is to win a championship. All I care about, all we care about, is to raise another banner in the rafters.“
Plumlee was probably the best vet min target now that my fav Goga got paid. Good for him. I was wrong about him sneaking under the radar. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though."
Goga off the board, who’s next target? _________________ “The main goal for the Lakers is to win a championship. All I care about, all we care about, is to raise another banner in the rafters.“
Over the entire career matchup, Valanciuanas gives up 10+ points and 4 rebounds, while giving him a big body to deal with in the paint, but did a lot better toward the end of the 2024 season, per the data.
The averages from last season are right there. Not sure why you removed the first matchup when Jokic had 35/14/12 on 62% shooting. Jokic has to work so hard that he plays above his averages in every category. Jokic dominated him even worse in 22/23 with averages of 28/15/11 on 71% shooting in 3 games. The data doesn't support your argument at all. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points."
My bad on the math it was 29/13/14 for Jokic the past season against Jonas. That's still crushing him. Lakers need someone that can offer defensive resistance and keep Jokic at, or preferably a bit below his season averages.
My bad on the math it was 29/13/14 for Jokic the past season against Jonas. That's still crushing him. Lakers need someone that can offer defensive resistance and keep Jokic at, or preferably a bit below his season averages.
Shockingly, a consistent Jokic stopper isn’t available for the minimum, the MLE, or the max. JV would have been a great option to have though, since he has the beef to slow down Jokic’s back down to the basket and give AD an option to maybe be able to play the 4 and provide help instead of being a primary defender on Jokic every possession.Of course JV isn’t perfect. A perfect player isn’t going to exist at the MLE price. But he would have been perfect for us, giving us a legit center with size who has size to clear out the paint and is effective in the post and on offensive boards. And since he would have been paid with Lebron’s salary and would have cost no additional assets, the Lakers could have looked to use our assets to make other moves. Instead Rob dithered around trying to waste our assets to sign and trade for Klay, a guard on the edge of the steep downslope of his career.
Lakers and Bucks are reportedly discussing a Brooke Lopez trade.
Hopefully, this gets done soon today. No more surprises as there might be no centers left. _________________ Lukasm (noun): the satisfaction of watching Luka Doncic play over winning a championship.
I'm willing to eat my own poop and post on youtube for another Laker championship under Pelinka.
Honest question -- how much of a priority should a big bodied C actually be now?
Denver has lost Bruce Brown AND KCP. We might not even play the Nuggets in the playoffs. If we improve other parts of the roster, maybe we can beat the Nuggets even with Jokic being the best player on the planet.
How many other teams make us really want that big bodied C? The Grizzlies are the obvious one for me.
Meanwhile I think a lot of those guys will be unplayable in many matchups as they'll be targeted by opposing perimeter stars, so I wonder if it's worth investing $$$ into this position
A Plumee (too late) or Goga off the bench would be fine at the vet min.
Over the entire career matchup, Valanciuanas gives up 10+ points and 4 rebounds, while giving him a big body to deal with in the paint, but did a lot better toward the end of the 2024 season, per the data.
But you are right, roll the dice on Jaxson Hayes.
This is cherry picking, since Jokic became a monster in 2021, in their last 9 matchups, Jokic had 7 triple doubles, and the other 2 were double doubles with 9 assists. 5 of 9 games over 70% FG, 3 over 60, the only “bad” game, 50% (the game you listed out), he had 16 rebounds and 18 assists, with numbers like this, yeah, Jaxson Hayes could do no worse since he will be the backup only. I am not sure we can afford Jonas as the backup center anyways especially he was never considered a good defender. In reality, most big centers with limited athleticism are bad defenders, Jokic included. The only exception was Marc gasol. If you ask Jokic, I am sure he would tell you he will be gladly matchup against traditional big centers like Jonas which would allow him to rest on defense in the paint than someone like AD who is a nightmare matchup for him. AD basically outplayed Jokic this year and we still lost.
My bad on the math it was 29/13/14 for Jokic the past season against Jonas. That's still crushing him. Lakers need someone that can offer defensive resistance and keep Jokic at, or preferably a bit below his season averages.
Shockingly, a consistent Jokic stopper isn’t available for the minimum, the MLE, or the max. JV would have been a great option to have though, since he has the beef to slow down Jokic’s back down to the basket and give AD an option to maybe be able to play the 4 and provide help instead of being a primary defender on Jokic every possession.Of course JV isn’t perfect. A perfect player isn’t going to exist at the MLE price. But he would have been perfect for us, giving us a legit center with size who has size to clear out the paint and is effective in the post and on offensive boards. And since he would have been paid with Lebron’s salary and would have cost no additional assets, the Lakers could have looked to use our assets to make other moves. Instead Rob dithered around trying to waste our assets to sign and trade for Klay, a guard on the edge of the steep downslope of his career.
As you said there is no Jokic stopper but Jonas is the opposite of that. Jokic kills him.
My bad on the math it was 29/13/14 for Jokic the past season against Jonas. That's still crushing him. Lakers need someone that can offer defensive resistance and keep Jokic at, or preferably a bit below his season averages.
Shockingly, a consistent Jokic stopper isn’t available for the minimum, the MLE, or the max. JV would have been a great option to have though, since he has the beef to slow down Jokic’s back down to the basket and give AD an option to maybe be able to play the 4 and provide help instead of being a primary defender on Jokic every possession.Of course JV isn’t perfect. A perfect player isn’t going to exist at the MLE price. But he would have been perfect for us, giving us a legit center with size who has size to clear out the paint and is effective in the post and on offensive boards. And since he would have been paid with Lebron’s salary and would have cost no additional assets, the Lakers could have looked to use our assets to make other moves. Instead Rob dithered around trying to waste our assets to sign and trade for Klay, a guard on the edge of the steep downslope of his career.
As you said there is no Jokic stopper but Jonas is the opposite of that. Jokic kills him.
You can post all the stats and people will still say stuff like "he has the beef to slow down Jokic". It's incredible. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points."
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My bad on the math it was 29/13/14 for Jokic the past season against Jonas. That's still crushing him. Lakers need someone that can offer defensive resistance and keep Jokic at, or preferably a bit below his season averages.
Shockingly, a consistent Jokic stopper isn’t available for the minimum, the MLE, or the max. JV would have been a great option to have though, since he has the beef to slow down Jokic’s back down to the basket and give AD an option to maybe be able to play the 4 and provide help instead of being a primary defender on Jokic every possession.Of course JV isn’t perfect. A perfect player isn’t going to exist at the MLE price. But he would have been perfect for us, giving us a legit center with size who has size to clear out the paint and is effective in the post and on offensive boards. And since he would have been paid with Lebron’s salary and would have cost no additional assets, the Lakers could have looked to use our assets to make other moves. Instead Rob dithered around trying to waste our assets to sign and trade for Klay, a guard on the edge of the steep downslope of his career.
As you said there is no Jokic stopper but Jonas is the opposite of that. Jokic kills him.
You can post all the stats and people will still say stuff like "he has the beef to slow down Jokic". It's incredible.
The 29 is worrisome. The 14 tells me the perimeter was not taken care of.
Putting a larger player on Joker and putting AD on the perimeter + help duties should help both of those.
hope Lakers gets this kid and develop him. He helped the Philippines in their upset win against rank #6 Latvia. He will be up against Goga Bitadze later.
hope Lakers gets this kid and develop him. He helped the Philippines in their upset win against rank #6 Latvia. He will be up against Goga Bitadze later.
Isn’t he bat (bleep) crazy? Could have sworn he had some sort of meltdown on Twitter last year or so.
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