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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2024 1:52 pm    Post subject:

Is there even options left? Adams? Vucevic? What about Olynyk, what would it take?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2024 2:26 pm    Post subject:

Get Vucevic at this point
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2024 2:29 pm    Post subject:

Plumlee was probably the best vet min target now that my fav Goga got paid. Good for him. I was wrong about him sneaking under the radar.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2024 2:45 pm    Post subject:

Goga off the board, who’s next target?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2024 2:49 pm    Post subject:

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Is there even options left? Adams? Vucevic? What about Olynyk, what would it take?

Anyone with basic skills and can tie their shoes would be a huge upgrade. We are in a depressing period lol
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2024 3:09 pm    Post subject:

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Goga off the board, who’s next target?


Lakers and Bucks are reportedly discussing a Brooke Lopez trade.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2024 3:18 pm    Post subject:

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Valanciunas was one of the very few who matched up on Jokic well.


Don't be too disappointed about losing Jonas for the Jokic matchup. Jonas does not match up at all. Jokic owns Jonas.

Jokic's averages against Pelicans this past season: 32/14/14
Jokic's season averages: 26/12/9


I have no idea where people come up with this stuff.


People come up with stuff from data.
https://www.landofbasketball.com/games_between/nikola_jokic_vs_jonas_valanciunas.htm

In the last two games they matched up last season:

JOKIC: 26 points 16 Rebounds
VALAN: 22 points 8 Rebounds. (good match up)

JOKIC 27 points 10 Rebounds
VALAN 17 points 5 Rebounds (less minutes, not bad)

He made Jokic work a lot of those points, as well.

Full career matchup:

JOKIC 25 points 12 Rebounds
VALAN 14.7 points 8 Rebounds (less minutes)

Over the entire career matchup, Valanciuanas gives up 10+ points and 4 rebounds, while giving him a big body to deal with in the paint, but did a lot better toward the end of the 2024 season, per the data.

But you are right, roll the dice on Jaxson Hayes.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2024 4:25 pm    Post subject:

The averages from last season are right there. Not sure why you removed the first matchup when Jokic had 35/14/12 on 62% shooting. Jokic has to work so hard that he plays above his averages in every category. Jokic dominated him even worse in 22/23 with averages of 28/15/11 on 71% shooting in 3 games. The data doesn't support your argument at all.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2024 5:56 pm    Post subject:

My bad on the math it was 29/13/14 for Jokic the past season against Jonas. That's still crushing him. Lakers need someone that can offer defensive resistance and keep Jokic at, or preferably a bit below his season averages.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2024 6:36 pm    Post subject:

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My bad on the math it was 29/13/14 for Jokic the past season against Jonas. That's still crushing him. Lakers need someone that can offer defensive resistance and keep Jokic at, or preferably a bit below his season averages.


Shockingly, a consistent Jokic stopper isn’t available for the minimum, the MLE, or the max. JV would have been a great option to have though, since he has the beef to slow down Jokic’s back down to the basket and give AD an option to maybe be able to play the 4 and provide help instead of being a primary defender on Jokic every possession.Of course JV isn’t perfect. A perfect player isn’t going to exist at the MLE price. But he would have been perfect for us, giving us a legit center with size who has size to clear out the paint and is effective in the post and on offensive boards. And since he would have been paid with Lebron’s salary and would have cost no additional assets, the Lakers could have looked to use our assets to make other moves. Instead Rob dithered around trying to waste our assets to sign and trade for Klay, a guard on the edge of the steep downslope of his career.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2024 6:41 pm    Post subject:

ducasse wrote:
governator wrote:
Goga off the board, who’s next target?


Lakers and Bucks are reportedly discussing a Brooke Lopez trade.


Hopefully, this gets done soon today. No more surprises as there might be no centers left.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2024 7:05 pm    Post subject:

Too bad there aren't any available...
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2024 9:50 pm    Post subject:

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Honest question -- how much of a priority should a big bodied C actually be now?

Denver has lost Bruce Brown AND KCP. We might not even play the Nuggets in the playoffs. If we improve other parts of the roster, maybe we can beat the Nuggets even with Jokic being the best player on the planet.

How many other teams make us really want that big bodied C? The Grizzlies are the obvious one for me.

Meanwhile I think a lot of those guys will be unplayable in many matchups as they'll be targeted by opposing perimeter stars, so I wonder if it's worth investing $$$ into this position


A Plumee (too late) or Goga off the bench would be fine at the vet min.

Vet min makes total sense.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2024 12:54 am    Post subject:

JamaalWilkes wrote:
manlisten wrote:
ducasse wrote:
JamaalWilkes wrote:

Valanciunas was one of the very few who matched up on Jokic well.


Don't be too disappointed about losing Jonas for the Jokic matchup. Jonas does not match up at all. Jokic owns Jonas.

Jokic's averages against Pelicans this past season: 32/14/14
Jokic's season averages: 26/12/9


I have no idea where people come up with this stuff.


People come up with stuff from data.
https://www.landofbasketball.com/games_between/nikola_jokic_vs_jonas_valanciunas.htm

In the last two games they matched up last season:

JOKIC: 26 points 16 Rebounds
VALAN: 22 points 8 Rebounds. (good match up)

JOKIC 27 points 10 Rebounds
VALAN 17 points 5 Rebounds (less minutes, not bad)

He made Jokic work a lot of those points, as well.

Full career matchup:

JOKIC 25 points 12 Rebounds
VALAN 14.7 points 8 Rebounds (less minutes)

Over the entire career matchup, Valanciuanas gives up 10+ points and 4 rebounds, while giving him a big body to deal with in the paint, but did a lot better toward the end of the 2024 season, per the data.

But you are right, roll the dice on Jaxson Hayes.

This is cherry picking, since Jokic became a monster in 2021, in their last 9 matchups, Jokic had 7 triple doubles, and the other 2 were double doubles with 9 assists. 5 of 9 games over 70% FG, 3 over 60, the only “bad” game, 50% (the game you listed out), he had 16 rebounds and 18 assists, with numbers like this, yeah, Jaxson Hayes could do no worse since he will be the backup only. I am not sure we can afford Jonas as the backup center anyways especially he was never considered a good defender. In reality, most big centers with limited athleticism are bad defenders, Jokic included. The only exception was Marc gasol. If you ask Jokic, I am sure he would tell you he will be gladly matchup against traditional big centers like Jonas which would allow him to rest on defense in the paint than someone like AD who is a nightmare matchup for him. AD basically outplayed Jokic this year and we still lost.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2024 12:59 am    Post subject:

JamaalWilkes wrote:
Jonas Valančiūnas is a real center who can hit threes, play the low post and score down low, plus play defense. He can be signed for under 20 million.

Anthony Day to Davis is due 43 Million this year, then 60M next year, then 65 million, etc.

I'd rather have Jonas and an extra 20-45 Million yearly in cap to spend on another quality players.

Davis is too expensive for a fragile star who has problems with Jokic.

BREAKING NEWS. Jokic has problems with AD as well.
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My bad on the math it was 29/13/14 for Jokic the past season against Jonas. That's still crushing him. Lakers need someone that can offer defensive resistance and keep Jokic at, or preferably a bit below his season averages.


Shockingly, a consistent Jokic stopper isn’t available for the minimum, the MLE, or the max. JV would have been a great option to have though, since he has the beef to slow down Jokic’s back down to the basket and give AD an option to maybe be able to play the 4 and provide help instead of being a primary defender on Jokic every possession.Of course JV isn’t perfect. A perfect player isn’t going to exist at the MLE price. But he would have been perfect for us, giving us a legit center with size who has size to clear out the paint and is effective in the post and on offensive boards. And since he would have been paid with Lebron’s salary and would have cost no additional assets, the Lakers could have looked to use our assets to make other moves. Instead Rob dithered around trying to waste our assets to sign and trade for Klay, a guard on the edge of the steep downslope of his career.


As you said there is no Jokic stopper but Jonas is the opposite of that. Jokic kills him.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2024 4:59 am    Post subject:

Sure would have been nice to have JV on Lebron’s dime instead of nothing and paying Lebron the max.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2024 5:33 am    Post subject:

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My bad on the math it was 29/13/14 for Jokic the past season against Jonas. That's still crushing him. Lakers need someone that can offer defensive resistance and keep Jokic at, or preferably a bit below his season averages.


Shockingly, a consistent Jokic stopper isn’t available for the minimum, the MLE, or the max. JV would have been a great option to have though, since he has the beef to slow down Jokic’s back down to the basket and give AD an option to maybe be able to play the 4 and provide help instead of being a primary defender on Jokic every possession.Of course JV isn’t perfect. A perfect player isn’t going to exist at the MLE price. But he would have been perfect for us, giving us a legit center with size who has size to clear out the paint and is effective in the post and on offensive boards. And since he would have been paid with Lebron’s salary and would have cost no additional assets, the Lakers could have looked to use our assets to make other moves. Instead Rob dithered around trying to waste our assets to sign and trade for Klay, a guard on the edge of the steep downslope of his career.


As you said there is no Jokic stopper but Jonas is the opposite of that. Jokic kills him.


You can post all the stats and people will still say stuff like "he has the beef to slow down Jokic". It's incredible.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2024 1:22 pm    Post subject:

manlisten wrote:
ducasse wrote:
mhan00 wrote:
ducasse wrote:
My bad on the math it was 29/13/14 for Jokic the past season against Jonas. That's still crushing him. Lakers need someone that can offer defensive resistance and keep Jokic at, or preferably a bit below his season averages.


Shockingly, a consistent Jokic stopper isn’t available for the minimum, the MLE, or the max. JV would have been a great option to have though, since he has the beef to slow down Jokic’s back down to the basket and give AD an option to maybe be able to play the 4 and provide help instead of being a primary defender on Jokic every possession.Of course JV isn’t perfect. A perfect player isn’t going to exist at the MLE price. But he would have been perfect for us, giving us a legit center with size who has size to clear out the paint and is effective in the post and on offensive boards. And since he would have been paid with Lebron’s salary and would have cost no additional assets, the Lakers could have looked to use our assets to make other moves. Instead Rob dithered around trying to waste our assets to sign and trade for Klay, a guard on the edge of the steep downslope of his career.


As you said there is no Jokic stopper but Jonas is the opposite of that. Jokic kills him.


You can post all the stats and people will still say stuff like "he has the beef to slow down Jokic". It's incredible.


The 29 is worrisome. The 14 tells me the perimeter was not taken care of.

Putting a larger player on Joker and putting AD on the perimeter + help duties should help both of those.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2024 9:59 pm    Post subject:



hope Lakers gets this kid and develop him. He helped the Philippines in their upset win against rank #6 Latvia. He will be up against Goga Bitadze later.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2024 10:08 pm    Post subject:

Zubac plays well against Jokic.

He only averages 21 points when he plays against Zu.

So irritating that we gave him away for trash.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2024 12:23 am    Post subject:

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Zubac plays well against Jokic.

He only averages 21 points when he plays against Zu.

So irritating that we gave him away for trash.


Too bad Magic got rid of him for Muscala.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2024 1:42 am    Post subject:

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https://youtube.com/watch?v=TzbuCCwWbZQ&si=TiTd8nyTDJfHC1Js

hope Lakers gets this kid and develop him. He helped the Philippines in their upset win against rank #6 Latvia. He will be up against Goga Bitadze later.


Isn’t he bat (bleep) crazy? Could have sworn he had some sort of meltdown on Twitter last year or so.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2024 2:21 am    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
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Zubac plays well against Jokic.

He only averages 21 points when he plays against Zu.

So irritating that we gave him away for trash.


Too bad Magic got rid of him for Muscala.


Losing BroLo and even Thomas Bryant for nothing were also huge missteps

To this day, Zu and Hart are the two draft picks I wished we had kept.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2024 8:49 pm    Post subject:

Why rob not getting theis now? He's the only decent C now in the freee agency



AD and Theis will be a good big man duo
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