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Laker Hefe
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| BILBJH wrote: | I said it before and I'll say it again.
They need to give him three shots in a row instead of spreading it out over several minutes.
He is choking big time, I get they've given him a lot of shots, but when he misses they need to keep feeding him until it goes in at least once. |
Seems like he needs to be in motion a lot more than he is. Too many times he is just standing in one spot - maybe sliding down to the level of the ball, but I don't see him using screens (plays are not being designed for this). No I have not played organized BB at a high level, but it looks as if he is not being utilized properly. |
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Zillethai
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| Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 7:37 am Post subject: |
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| LakersMD wrote: | | Let him sit for a while like they did Max. It’s a long season. He’ll get another opportunity when he deserves it. |
Apparently we're supposed to keep feeding him, until he catches fire |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 7:44 am Post subject: |
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| BILBJH wrote: | I said it before and I'll say it again.
They need to give him three shots in a row instead of spreading it out over several minutes.
He is choking big time, I get they've given him a lot of shots, but when he misses they need to keep feeding him until it goes in at least once. |
Make-a-wish / farewell tour type (bleep). |
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| The question I have is whether he has the potential to be a better defender or if that part of his game is basically set. If he can play better defense then I'm fine being patient with him even if he keeps shooting blanks. (But not with him hesitating - a hesitating shooter will never be a shooter) |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 9:42 am Post subject: |
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| Japago wrote: | | BILBJH wrote: | | Japago wrote: | And don't forget, he turns 24 right at the end of the season in mid April.
Some of this stuff is probably excusable at 19 years old, but he played college ball for 4 years. Those guys are supposed to be closer to finished products, with the tradeoff being that they don't have as much upside.
If he's like this without much upside, what exactly are we looking at here? |
Knecht has been shooting horribly for two months straight.
And yet...
He's still shooting way better than Dejounte Murray at 24 years of age
Dalton vs. Dejounte
He's been dogsh*t for two straight months and his shooting is still 7 percentage points better than your pet Murray at 24.
And yes he sucks on defense.
But once his shot starts falling again. He's going to be like watching Herro shoot. |
I can't believe this needs to be said, but there's far more to basketball than 3PT shooting.
Dejounte Murray might have the most all-around talent among PGs. He's a scorer, defender, rebounder, and play-maker. He's scored in the 20's on solid efficiency and has even had solid years as a 3PT shooter.
Knecht is only really a shooter right now, and only a slightly above average one at that. And considering his age, you can't really expect him to develop many skills that he hasn't already displayed at least a little of.
Older rookies are supposed to be more NBA ready, but have less upside. That's the trade off between drafting older 22/23 year old rookies vs 19/20 year old rookies. That's why younger players are typically drafted at the top over older, more NBA-ready players.
And, he's not even that good for someone who's supposed to be NBA-ready. |
But Knecht isn't billed as Dejounte Murray type player. He's more like a Tyler Herro type player.
I only threw out Murray's name because you keep saying how we should give up a big haul for him and Knecht has been bad for two months from the three point line and he's still 7% better shooting than Dejounte at 24 years of age.
In terms of shooting, Knecht will be like Klay. Klay would go months shooting poorly and then still be over 40% from three by the end of the season.
He won't be as good defensively because he doesn't seem to have the BBIQ of players like Klay or Murray. But all he has to do is hit his shots to have value. And you won't need to pay him 30 million plus because of the limited skill set.
How many games have we lost because we don't have that microwave shooter who can bring us back into games?
Once Knecht pulls his head out of his ass, he will have significant value to this team. That's why I keep saying JJ needs to force feed him until he gets over his yips. That type of shooting ability doesn't just disappear forever. |
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| ThePageDude wrote: | | The question I have is whether he has the potential to be a better defender or if that part of his game is basically set. If he can play better defense then I'm fine being patient with him even if he keeps shooting blanks. (But not with him hesitating - a hesitating shooter will never be a shooter) |
His defense is abysmal and the best we can hope for is simply “bad.” I said after his hot stretch that the Lakers should sell high on him, but as always, if someone is having a few good games, they’re untouchable. We wait until they hit “no value” to shop them. |
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Zillethai
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His defense is abysmal and the best we can hope for is simply “bad.” I said after his hot stretch that the Lakers should sell high on him, but as always, if someone is having a few good games, they’re untouchable. We wait until they hit “no value” to shop them. |
Has there been another player in history that has regressed to the mean faster than DK4?
He was a ROTY leading candidate a mere 3 months ago |
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If you're judging a rookie 30 games into their NBA career you need help, as well as to step back and breathe a bit.
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TMG
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| MJST wrote: | | If you're judging a rookie 30 games into their NBA career you need help, as well as to step back and breathe a bit. |
This is such a cop out excuse and typical coddling 
You cant criticize Dalton because he's a rookie? There are plenty of rookies who are actively contributing to their teams right now.
Dalton doesn't get an excuse just because he's a rookie. Played in college and came into the league at 23 and is stinking it up for months. Meanwhile Jaylen Wells with the grizz is actively contributing on the both ends of the floor.
a 39th pick is thoroughly outplaying Dalton both sides of the floor.
The criticism is warranted. The dip on offense could be excused if his defense wasn't 10x worse. As it stands this dude shouldn't get real minutes on a legit team and should go to the G-league to boost his confidence.
He's been shockingly bad. |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | ThePageDude wrote: | | The question I have is whether he has the potential to be a better defender or if that part of his game is basically set. If he can play better defense then I'm fine being patient with him even if he keeps shooting blanks. (But not with him hesitating - a hesitating shooter will never be a shooter) |
His defense is abysmal and the best we can hope for is simply “bad.” I said after his hot stretch that the Lakers should sell high on him, but as always, if someone is having a few good games, they’re untouchable. We wait until they hit “no value” to shop them. |
yea him becoming an average defender would be an outlier development. Him becoming a good enough offensive player to justify bad defense is where the bar is set |
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| TMG wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | If you're judging a rookie 30 games into their NBA career you need help, as well as to step back and breathe a bit. |
This is such a cop out excuse and typical coddling
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No. It's the truth coming from people that constantly watch a fanbase desperately grasp for scapegoats in ill-fated attempts to make themselves feel better. If you're judging a rookie 30 games into their NBA career you're doing too much.
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TMG
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| Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | If you're judging a rookie 30 games into their NBA career you need help, as well as to step back and breathe a bit. |
This is such a cop out excuse and typical coddling
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No. It's the truth coming from people that constantly watch a fanbase desperately grasp for scapegoats in ill-fated attempts to make themselves feel better. If you're judging a rookie 30 games into their NBA career you're doing too much. |
Typical MJST saying everyone that gets criticized being called a scapegoat. Did i say Dalton is the source of all the teams problems? Like i said it's typical. |
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| TMG wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | If you're judging a rookie 30 games into their NBA career you need help, as well as to step back and breathe a bit. |
This is such a cop out excuse and typical coddling
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No. It's the truth coming from people that constantly watch a fanbase desperately grasp for scapegoats in ill-fated attempts to make themselves feel better. If you're judging a rookie 30 games into their NBA career you're doing too much. |
Typical MJST saying everyone that gets criticized being called a scapegoat. |
Judging a rookie 30 games into their career is doing too much, period.
Know what Reaves was putting up the first 33 games of his career?
5.8 points on 45% from the field and 30% from three in 21 MPG
Know what Clarkson was putting up the first 33 games of his career?
8.2 points on 40% from the field and 30% from three in 19 MPG
Compare that to Knecht
9.4 points on 45% from the field and 33% from three in 21 MPG
Now sit down, relax, and breathe.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | If you're judging a rookie 30 games into their NBA career you need help, as well as to step back and breathe a bit. |
This is such a cop out excuse and typical coddling
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No. It's the truth coming from people that constantly watch a fanbase desperately grasp for scapegoats in ill-fated attempts to make themselves feel better. If you're judging a rookie 30 games into their NBA career you're doing too much. |
Typical MJST saying everyone that gets criticized being called a scapegoat. |
Judging a rookie 30 games into their career is doing too much, period.
Know what Reaves was putting up the first 33 games of his career?
5.8 points on 45% from the field and 30% from three in 21 MPG
Know what Clarkson was putting up the first 33 games of his career?
8.2 points on 40% from the field and 30% from three in 19 MPG
Compare that to Knecht
9.4 points on 45% from the field and 33% from three in 21 MPG
Now sit down, relax, and breathe. |
Another irrelevant point but i wouldn't expect anything else. You seem to be the one all up in your feelings not me. I suggest you take your own advice and actually breathe and relax. It's fine to point out someone being poor without you running to their rescue and saying he's being scapegoated.
MJST...Sit down, relax and breathe dude. |
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| TMG wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | If you're judging a rookie 30 games into their NBA career you need help, as well as to step back and breathe a bit. |
This is such a cop out excuse and typical coddling
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No. It's the truth coming from people that constantly watch a fanbase desperately grasp for scapegoats in ill-fated attempts to make themselves feel better. If you're judging a rookie 30 games into their NBA career you're doing too much. |
Typical MJST saying everyone that gets criticized being called a scapegoat. |
Judging a rookie 30 games into their career is doing too much, period.
Know what Reaves was putting up the first 33 games of his career?
5.8 points on 45% from the field and 30% from three in 21 MPG
Know what Clarkson was putting up the first 33 games of his career?
8.2 points on 40% from the field and 30% from three in 19 MPG
Compare that to Knecht
9.4 points on 45% from the field and 33% from three in 21 MPG
Now sit down, relax, and breathe. |
Another irrelevant point but i wouldn't expect anything else. You seem to be the one all up in your feelings not me. |
There's nothing irrelevant about the point that was made. Acting like it isn't staring you in the face won't make it go away. Accept being wrong and move on.
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[quote="MJST"] | TMG wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | If you're judging a rookie 30 games into their NBA career you need help, as well as to step back and breathe a bit. |
This is such a cop out excuse and typical coddling
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No. It's the truth coming from people that constantly watch a fanbase desperately grasp for scapegoats in ill-fated attempts to make themselves feel better. If you're judging a rookie 30 games into their NBA career you're doing too much. |
Typical MJST saying everyone that gets criticized being called a scapegoat. |
Judging a rookie 30 games into their career is doing too much, period.
Know what Reaves was putting up the first 33 games of his career?
5.8 points on 45% from the field and 30% from three in 21 MPG
Know what Clarkson was putting up the first 33 games of his career?
8.2 points on 40% from the field and 30% from three in 19 MPG
Compare that to Knecht
9.4 points on 45% from the field and 33% from three in 21 MPG
Now sit down, relax, and breathe. |
Another irrelevant point but i wouldn't expect anything else. You seem to be the one all up in your feelings not me. /quote]
There's nothing irrelevant about the point that was made. Acting like it isn't staring you in the face won't make it go away. |
No dude people are rightfully criticizing him for 2 straight months of poor performances and you're here deflecting bringing up an undrafted player and the 46th second round pick.
You love stats i'll give you the last two months of Knecht stats.
December
7ppg on 40/17 splits
January
6ppg on 36/22 splits
Yet whenever he's criticized it's he's being scapegoated. You love that word. |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| BILBJH wrote: | | Japago wrote: | | BILBJH wrote: | | Japago wrote: | And don't forget, he turns 24 right at the end of the season in mid April.
Some of this stuff is probably excusable at 19 years old, but he played college ball for 4 years. Those guys are supposed to be closer to finished products, with the tradeoff being that they don't have as much upside.
If he's like this without much upside, what exactly are we looking at here? |
Knecht has been shooting horribly for two months straight.
And yet...
He's still shooting way better than Dejounte Murray at 24 years of age
Dalton vs. Dejounte
He's been dogsh*t for two straight months and his shooting is still 7 percentage points better than your pet Murray at 24.
And yes he sucks on defense.
But once his shot starts falling again. He's going to be like watching Herro shoot. |
I can't believe this needs to be said, but there's far more to basketball than 3PT shooting.
Dejounte Murray might have the most all-around talent among PGs. He's a scorer, defender, rebounder, and play-maker. He's scored in the 20's on solid efficiency and has even had solid years as a 3PT shooter.
Knecht is only really a shooter right now, and only a slightly above average one at that. And considering his age, you can't really expect him to develop many skills that he hasn't already displayed at least a little of.
Older rookies are supposed to be more NBA ready, but have less upside. That's the trade off between drafting older 22/23 year old rookies vs 19/20 year old rookies. That's why younger players are typically drafted at the top over older, more NBA-ready players.
And, he's not even that good for someone who's supposed to be NBA-ready. |
But Knecht isn't billed as Dejounte Murray type player. He's more like a Tyler Herro type player.
I only threw out Murray's name because you keep saying how we should give up a big haul for him and Knecht has been bad for two months from the three point line and he's still 7% better shooting than Dejounte at 24 years of age.
In terms of shooting, Knecht will be like Klay. Klay would go months shooting poorly and then still be over 40% from three by the end of the season.
He won't be as good defensively because he doesn't seem to have the BBIQ of players like Klay or Murray. But all he has to do is hit his shots to have value. And you won't need to pay him 30 million plus because of the limited skill set.
How many games have we lost because we don't have that microwave shooter who can bring us back into games?
Once Knecht pulls his head out of his ass, he will have significant value to this team. That's why I keep saying JJ needs to force feed him until he gets over his yips. That type of shooting ability doesn't just disappear forever. |
You made the comparison, not me. Why bring up Dejounte in the first place? He's a better 3 point shooter than Giannis, so the Lakers shouldn't trade him for Giannis if given the chance?
Just an irrelevant comparison you were trying to make. As a guy who's currently ONLY good for shooting, he stinks. DeJounte has a million different skills outside of shooting.
Herro had a solid rookie campaign BTW at age 20. He shot ~39% from 3 on ~ 5 attempts per game and averaged 13.5 PPG. Knecht is way worse at age 23 going on 24.
Fun fact: He's also only a year older than Knecht. |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| TMG wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | If you're judging a rookie 30 games into their NBA career you need help, as well as to step back and breathe a bit. |
This is such a cop out excuse and typical coddling
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No. It's the truth coming from people that constantly watch a fanbase desperately grasp for scapegoats in ill-fated attempts to make themselves feel better. If you're judging a rookie 30 games into their NBA career you're doing too much. |
Typical MJST saying everyone that gets criticized being called a scapegoat. |
Judging a rookie 30 games into their career is doing too much, period.
Know what Reaves was putting up the first 33 games of his career?
5.8 points on 45% from the field and 30% from three in 21 MPG
Know what Clarkson was putting up the first 33 games of his career?
8.2 points on 40% from the field and 30% from three in 19 MPG
Compare that to Knecht
9.4 points on 45% from the field and 33% from three in 21 MPG
Now sit down, relax, and breathe. |
Another irrelevant point but i wouldn't expect anything else. You seem to be the one all up in your feelings not me. |
There's nothing irrelevant about the point that was made. Acting like it isn't staring you in the face won't make it go away. |
No dude people are rightfully criticizing him for 2 straight months of poor performances and you're here deflecting bringing up an undrafted player and the 46th second round pick.
You love stats i'll give you the last two months of Knecht stats.
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I'm giving you the first 33 games of all their careers, that is the relevant comparison. Trying to come back with "lol but Knecht is slumping right now. isn't a gotcha. It just means he was doing even better earlier before hitting that slump. You miss the point entirely trying to come back with "But Knecht is slumping right now!"
Once more, judging a rookie on their first 30 games of their career is doing too much. If you aren't a knee-jerk kind of person then you'd understand that. Knecht is currently in a slump and yet his numbers are better across his first 33 games than Reaves or Clarkson at the same point in their rookie seasons and they all played virtually the same MPG up to that point.
So again, judging rookies for a slump, let alone the first 30 games of their careers is doing too much. That point still stands and you have nothing for it outside of "but he's slumping now!" and in a slump his stats are in line with a better than where Clarkson's and Reaves's were. And they are both multiple year college kids that came into the league in their early 20s 'ready to contribute'. So again, take a step back, re-evaluate your knee jerk reactions and learn patience.
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| MJST wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | If you're judging a rookie 30 games into their NBA career you need help, as well as to step back and breathe a bit. |
This is such a cop out excuse and typical coddling
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No. It's the truth coming from people that constantly watch a fanbase desperately grasp for scapegoats in ill-fated attempts to make themselves feel better. If you're judging a rookie 30 games into their NBA career you're doing too much. |
Typical MJST saying everyone that gets criticized being called a scapegoat. |
Judging a rookie 30 games into their career is doing too much, period.
Know what Reaves was putting up the first 33 games of his career?
5.8 points on 45% from the field and 30% from three in 21 MPG
Know what Clarkson was putting up the first 33 games of his career?
8.2 points on 40% from the field and 30% from three in 19 MPG
Compare that to Knecht
9.4 points on 45% from the field and 33% from three in 21 MPG
Now sit down, relax, and breathe. |
Another irrelevant point but i wouldn't expect anything else. You seem to be the one all up in your feelings not me. |
There's nothing irrelevant about the point that was made. Acting like it isn't staring you in the face won't make it go away. Accept being wrong and move on. |
He isn’t wrong, at his level of play Dalton shouldn’t be getting many impactful minutes. That doesn’t mean he will always be the same player but he is what he is right now.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | If you're judging a rookie 30 games into their NBA career you need help, as well as to step back and breathe a bit. |
This is such a cop out excuse and typical coddling
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No. It's the truth coming from people that constantly watch a fanbase desperately grasp for scapegoats in ill-fated attempts to make themselves feel better. If you're judging a rookie 30 games into their NBA career you're doing too much. |
Typical MJST saying everyone that gets criticized being called a scapegoat. |
Judging a rookie 30 games into their career is doing too much, period.
Know what Reaves was putting up the first 33 games of his career?
5.8 points on 45% from the field and 30% from three in 21 MPG
Know what Clarkson was putting up the first 33 games of his career?
8.2 points on 40% from the field and 30% from three in 19 MPG
Compare that to Knecht
9.4 points on 45% from the field and 33% from three in 21 MPG
Now sit down, relax, and breathe. |
Another irrelevant point but i wouldn't expect anything else. You seem to be the one all up in your feelings not me. |
There's nothing irrelevant about the point that was made. Acting like it isn't staring you in the face won't make it go away. Accept being wrong and move on. |
He isn’t wrong, at his level of play Dalton shouldn’t be getting many impactful minutes. That doesn’t mean he will always be the same player but he is what he is right now. |
He's essentially where Reaves and Clarkson were at the same points of their careers and getting the exact same minutes so it's in line with the roles they had with what they put up. Dalton is actually just shooting better than they were despite his current slump.
And there's no one you're playing over Dalton off the bench for those minutes. Shake? Cam? Nah.
Dalton is precisely where he's expected to be at this point in his career, getting up to NBA speed, figuring out what he can and can't do, confidence ups and downs. All the same stuff we saw from Clarkson and Reaves and many a rookie even multi-year college ones at this point in their careers in the roles similar.
Now if Knecht was on a team that was bottom 2 in the league and starting and allowed to take every shot in every game it's a different story. That isn't the role he has here though. Nor was it the role Clarkson or Reaves had, and they both grew both in the second halves of the season and in the following years after with the time they put in. I see the same trajectory with Knecht and bigger offensive highs due to his shooting, athleticism and three-level scoring capability.
The entire point is trying to judge a rookie 30 games into their careers is doing way too much. And trying to make it seem like because they were multi-year kids in their early 20s that they should be contributing more already is also incorrect. When you compare to some of the other players coming out of college after multiple years and given similar kinds of roles and similar minutes, Knecht is right in line with them while shooting better. It should be something that dawns on the people that go off knee-jerk reactions that Dalton isn't as 'far behind' as they are trying to convince themselves he is. He's right in line, their propensity to have knee-jerk react and look for scapegoats however has them make it a bigger deal than it needs to be. So putting a halt to that and showing what the other rookies in those positions did, gives proper perspective to those that like to panic and double down.
What they do with that information however, is up to them.
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And the Lakers won exactly nothing with Clarkson and Reaves playing those minutes. I guess if we are going to give up on competing then play him all you want. Personally I’d rather see him learn how to play the pro game but this organization has been mediocre at best when it comes to developing young players.
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TMG
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| MJST wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | If you're judging a rookie 30 games into their NBA career you need help, as well as to step back and breathe a bit. |
This is such a cop out excuse and typical coddling
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No. It's the truth coming from people that constantly watch a fanbase desperately grasp for scapegoats in ill-fated attempts to make themselves feel better. If you're judging a rookie 30 games into their NBA career you're doing too much. |
Typical MJST saying everyone that gets criticized being called a scapegoat. |
Judging a rookie 30 games into their career is doing too much, period.
Know what Reaves was putting up the first 33 games of his career?
5.8 points on 45% from the field and 30% from three in 21 MPG
Know what Clarkson was putting up the first 33 games of his career?
8.2 points on 40% from the field and 30% from three in 19 MPG
Compare that to Knecht
9.4 points on 45% from the field and 33% from three in 21 MPG
Now sit down, relax, and breathe. |
Another irrelevant point but i wouldn't expect anything else. You seem to be the one all up in your feelings not me. |
There's nothing irrelevant about the point that was made. Acting like it isn't staring you in the face won't make it go away. |
No dude people are rightfully criticizing him for 2 straight months of poor performances and you're here deflecting bringing up an undrafted player and the 46th second round pick.
You love stats i'll give you the last two months of Knecht stats.
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I'm giving you the first 33 games of all their careers, that is the relevant comparison. Trying to come back with "lol but Knecht is slumping right now. isn't a gotcha. It just means he was doing even better earlier before hitting that slump. You miss the point entirely trying to come back with "But Knecht is slumping right now!"
Once more, judging a rookie on their first 30 games of their career is doing too much. If you aren't a knee-jerk kind of person then you'd understand that. Knecht is currently in a slump and yet his numbers are better across his first 33 games than Reaves or Clarkson at the same point in their rookie seasons and they all played virtually the same MPG up to that point.
So again, judging rookies for a slump, let alone the first 30 games of their careers is doing too much. That point still stands and you have nothing for it outside of "but he's slumping now!" and in a slump his stats are in line with a better than where Clarkson's and Reaves's were. And they are both multiple year college kids that came into the league in their early 20s 'ready to contribute'. So again, take a step back, re-evaluate your knee jerk reactions and learn patience. |
dont care about their 33 game sample this isn't a rebuilding team it's a team trying to contend. Him getting criticized for piss poor performances for two straight months is justified.
not everyone who's criticizing him are trying to scapegoat. It's a two month sample size worth of bad performances.
If this team was in their rebuilding phase i wouldn't care but it isn't so him being this bad whilst given the minutes he is given warrants criticism.
But nah im scapegoating.
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TMG
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| Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | If you're judging a rookie 30 games into their NBA career you need help, as well as to step back and breathe a bit. |
This is such a cop out excuse and typical coddling
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No. It's the truth coming from people that constantly watch a fanbase desperately grasp for scapegoats in ill-fated attempts to make themselves feel better. If you're judging a rookie 30 games into their NBA career you're doing too much. |
Typical MJST saying everyone that gets criticized being called a scapegoat. |
Judging a rookie 30 games into their career is doing too much, period.
Know what Reaves was putting up the first 33 games of his career?
5.8 points on 45% from the field and 30% from three in 21 MPG
Know what Clarkson was putting up the first 33 games of his career?
8.2 points on 40% from the field and 30% from three in 19 MPG
Compare that to Knecht
9.4 points on 45% from the field and 33% from three in 21 MPG
Now sit down, relax, and breathe. |
Another irrelevant point but i wouldn't expect anything else. You seem to be the one all up in your feelings not me. |
There's nothing irrelevant about the point that was made. Acting like it isn't staring you in the face won't make it go away. Accept being wrong and move on. |
He isn’t wrong, at his level of play Dalton shouldn’t be getting many impactful minutes. That doesn’t mean he will always be the same player but he is what he is right now. |
Thats literally my whole point. He's got potential but he's been by far the worst player on the team for a good two months.
Again i wouldn't mind if he actually provided something on defense but he's worse on that end. If this team wants to rebuild go ahead and give Dalton all the minutes he wants and all the shots he wants. This isn't a rebuilding team so giving someone 20+ minutes being a liablity isn't viable.
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| Knecht is more of a 15-17 minute player right now. And frankly a lot of that is just rotation based, I suspect with Vando back Knecht gets squeezed. |
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TMG
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| tox wrote: | | Knecht is more of a 15-17 minute player right now. And frankly a lot of that is just rotation based, I suspect with Vando back Knecht gets squeezed. |
They said Vando is at least 2 weeks away. So 6 weeks away.
Dalton is going to play regardless we have nobody else. |
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