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| you can't teach the dawg into a player. and DK has that dawg in him. he's not afraid of taking big shots and making them. if he can improve his handling and footwork, he's a bonified starter on most of the teams in the league. |
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| PICKnPOP wrote: | | That was lowkey an easy 30 he put up tonight with the touches. |
That's the difference between him and AR. AR expends alot of energy getting his buckets. Dalton doesn't exert much at all. He should start with Bron and Luka |
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| Zillethai wrote: | | PICKnPOP wrote: | | That was lowkey an easy 30 he put up tonight with the touches. |
That's the difference between him and AR. AR expends alot of energy getting his buckets. Dalton doesn't exert much at all. He should start with Bron and Luka |
Here comes those dumb comments again. He’s already proven he sicks starting and he’s not Rui or Reaves level as a player on either end when teams game plan for him. Let’s not act like he didn’t suck as a starter and max christie didn’t outwork him because he sucked. Also let’s not act like there wasn’t a clear gal between him and Reaves vs a Denver either when the nuggets were trapping and blitzing Reaves.
His best role is JR Smith minus the fact Smith could defend at a high level one on one |
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| Kblo247! wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Yeah trying to play him as a 'decoy' in the corner rather than running the bench offense through him primarily was a blunder by JJ. Hopefully he understands the gem he has now that he was about to squander. |
You went from white knighting for Dlo playing awful to excusing Dalton for being piss poor for months … that’s not all JJ, that’s on Dalton for being bad for months at a time. He literally had a month he shot 16%, 27%, 32% from three. He had months where he shot 67%, 50% from the free they line. He’s had months where he’s averaged 7 and got 21 mins a night. He’s had three months he averages single digits. He played bad and was the only other starter on the team besides Dlo to have a losing record while starting this year. Some point you blame him for him.
October he averages 8 on 17 mins with 45/35/100 splits
November he averages 14 on 26 mins with 51/46/83 splits
December he averages 7 on 21mins with 41/16/67 splits
January he averages 7 on 13 mins with 44/27/91 splits (dfs trade happens)
February he averages 5 on 13 mins with 41/32/50 splits (Luka/Bron/Reaves/Rui/Gabe/Smith all available)
He’s playing good now. But the thing is he’s playing good in he dead days of the league early and late where guys are out, but he played piss poor in the hard part of the year where guys locked in. There are 2 rookies in this league averaging double digits and Dalton isn’t one of them, that’s on him. He’s second in the league in attempts for all rookies so don’t act like he hasn’t been given room to shine because JJ gave him that. He’s not handled his business this year.
Dalton is second in all rookies for field goals attempted
Dalton is first in all rookies for three pointers attempted
Yet Dalton ain’t one of the 2 rookies averaging double digits
How the f is that on JJ? |
I’m used to people posting nonsense on this site, but even judged by that standard, this one is egregious. You should be permanently banned for posting this. There literally isn’t one thing in this post that is true. Checking the rookie ladder on nba.com [url=https://www.nba.com/news/kia-rookie-ladder-march-12-2025-edition][/url] there are 4 rookies averaging double digits in scoring: Castle (13.6), Wells (10.8), Risacher (11.7), and Sarr (11.9). Of those players EVERY SINGLE ONE has significantly more field goal attempts and has played significantly more minutes than Knecht. Castle has shot 737 times and averages almost 26 mins per game. Knecht has shot the ball 468 times and averages less than 21 mins per game. The difference? Dalton’s true shooting percentage (TS%) is 58%, which is fantastic for any player, let alone a rookie. This is because about 60% of his shots are 3 pointers and he makes them at almost a 37% rate. For comparison, Castle’s TS% is 48%. In fact, the only rookie with shooting efficiency close to Knecht’s is Wells from Memphis who almost matches Dalton’s 3 point percentage, but is less efficient from 2 pt range where Dalton shoots 63%! Wells’s TS% is 54%. Even Wells has needed significantly more attempts and mins to average his 10.8 pts than Dalton. I’m not saying Knecht is perfect. He has to improve on defense and tighten up his handle. But despite his mid-season slump, he has been one of the best rookies so far this year. And the fact that he has averaged 15.9 pts a game in the 14 games he has started speaks to the fact that he would likely be the rookie of the year if he was on a lottery team. I don’t think JJ is wrong for not playing him more. Dalton has been great, the Lakers just have others who are better. His day will come though, whether it’s with us or someone else. I see a 20 pt a game scorer. |
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Knecht vs Castle
Knecht couldn't hit his shots for two months straight and yet still his shooting numbers are 10% better than Castle.
I get that Castle has a lot of potential but their efficiency numbers aren't even close at this point |
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| BILBJH wrote: | Knecht vs Castle
Knecht couldn't hit his shots for two months straight and yet still his shooting numbers are 10% better than Castle.
I get that Castle has a lot of potential but their efficiency numbers aren't even close at this point |
But the ballhandler is kinda like the lead singer of a band. LOL! Didn't like how he was ball-hogging at the all-star game, but you can do that when you're the point.
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30+ pts on the road in a playoff atmosphere is a good barometer. High ceiling
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| Kblo247! wrote: | | Zillethai wrote: | | PICKnPOP wrote: | | That was lowkey an easy 30 he put up tonight with the touches. |
That's the difference between him and AR. AR expends alot of energy getting his buckets. Dalton doesn't exert much at all. He should start with Bron and Luka |
Here comes those dumb comments again. He’s already proven he sicks starting and he’s not Rui or Reaves level as a player on either end when teams game plan for him. Let’s not act like he didn’t suck as a starter and max christie didn’t outwork him because he sucked. Also let’s not act like there wasn’t a clear gal between him and Reaves vs a Denver either when the nuggets were trapping and blitzing Reaves.
His best role is JR Smith minus the fact Smith could defend at a high level one on one |
Hes already proven he sucks starting with Luka & Bron?
Thats interesting. |
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| BILBJH wrote: | Knecht vs Castle
Knecht couldn't hit his shots for two months straight and yet still his shooting numbers are 10% better than Castle.
I get that Castle has a lot of potential but their efficiency numbers aren't even close at this point |
Exactly, and look I get it that Castle has a higher ceiling than Knecht. But if you’re judging based on what they are doing right now, Castle’s efficiency numbers are ugly. He shoots 25% from 3. He would not be playing nearly as much if he was on a good team. Knecht is already a rotation player on a contending team and offensively he is one of the most efficient players on the team. Put some respect on his name! And that goes for the NBA too. Knecht is not even on the rookie ladder right now, which is ridiculous. |
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He would be lighting it up for the Pels if they weren't such a terrible franchise. 
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He would be avg 25 for Charlotte right now.
It’s not about just give this guy time. You have to get him going early and often. He’s a walking bucket. Make an effort to get him some shots early in the game and let him get into rhythm. It will pay off later in the game. |
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Earlier in the season there was talk of Klay as a Dalton comp, but I'm thinking early career Harrison Barnes is a better comp. Barnes was a little bigger, and could slide up to PF more than present day Dalton can. But we've also seen Dalton is probably better as a wing than a guard. If he continues to get stronger, playing him at SF and, when the matchup is right at PF might be something to look at. He's a good rebounder, and footspeed is less an issue up front.
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| textbook wrote: | He would be avg 25 for Charlotte right now.
It’s not about just give this guy time. You have to get him going early and often. He’s a walking bucket. Make an effort to get him some shots early in the game and let him get into rhythm. It will pay off later in the game. |
Excellent points and post! |
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| LakerDYnasty72 wrote: | | textbook wrote: | He would be avg 25 for Charlotte right now.
It’s not about just give this guy time. You have to get him going early and often. He’s a walking bucket. Make an effort to get him some shots early in the game and let him get into rhythm. It will pay off later in the game. |
Excellent points and post! |
It's maybe one thing that having a scoring lead facilitator impacts differently than having a pass first facilitator. Magic would always focus on getting his guys going. LeBron and Luka are all world facilitators but they do it as scoring first threats. That allows tue defense to have more control as to who the dish off goes to.
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Defense/Awareness is the issue at least at the moment….
As he is already an older player, his “floor” probably will be similar to McBuckets career where he’s a dangerous offensive player but really not playable for meaningful/consistent minutes on a good team because of the defense - just like McBuckets.
The optimistic/best case “ceiling” for his career in terms of minutes/percentages/contribution - especially if that team has other stars - I think might be something like DDV or MPJ.
It would be great if the Lakers have the patience to wait and see if the game slows down for him next year….. He would definitely be a future piece to hold on to If he can stay on the floor defensively thus having the OPPORTUNITY to contribute those elite offensive games of which he is clearly capable… |
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| Laker_Jocker wrote: | Defense/Awareness is the issue at least at the moment….
As he is already an older player, his “floor” probably will be similar to McBuckets career where he’s a dangerous offensive player but really not playable for meaningful/consistent minutes on a good team because of the defense - just like McBuckets.
The optimistic/best case “ceiling” for his career in terms of minutes/percentages/contribution - especially if that team has other stars - I think might be something like DDV or MPJ.
It would be great if the Lakers have the patience to wait and see if the game slows down for him next year….. He would definitely be a future piece to hold on to If he can stay on the floor defensively thus having the OPPORTUNITY to contribute those elite offensive games of which he is clearly capable… |
When will this nonsense stop? Knecht is waaay better than McBuckets and I like McBuckets. Dalton can do more than just shoot the 3. Did you miss my earlier post in this thread? He shoots 63% from 2! His midrange is fire. And he’s great in the open floor. McBuckets is not even close to the athlete that Dalton is. And that’s where I think you are undervaluing him. McBuckets could never be a great defender because he doesn’t have the lateral quickness and overall athleticism. But check the combine stats, Knecht was #1 among alll participants in the shuttle run and #2 in lane agility. Combine that with a 39 inch max vert at 6’ 6” with a 6’ 9” wingspan and you’ve got arguably the best all-around athletic profile of any participant. The lane agility and shuttle run times in particular show that the potential to be a good defensive player is there. He just needs to put in the work. That potential was never there with McBuckets. Update: just to add more to this. I checked the combine data and McBuckets was mid-pack in the lane agility test (11.10) and near the bottom in the shuttle run (3.15). For comparison, Dalton was 10.56 and 2.79. You might say that McBuckets was bigger. Indeed, he did measure an inch taller, but thanks to Knecht's longer wingspan he actually has a slightly longer standing reach than McBuckets. |
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| computernerd wrote: | | Laker_Jocker wrote: | Defense/Awareness is the issue at least at the moment….
As he is already an older player, his “floor” probably will be similar to McBuckets career where he’s a dangerous offensive player but really not playable for meaningful/consistent minutes on a good team because of the defense - just like McBuckets.
The optimistic/best case “ceiling” for his career in terms of minutes/percentages/contribution - especially if that team has other stars - I think might be something like DDV or MPJ.
It would be great if the Lakers have the patience to wait and see if the game slows down for him next year….. He would definitely be a future piece to hold on to If he can stay on the floor defensively thus having the OPPORTUNITY to contribute those elite offensive games of which he is clearly capable… |
When will this nonsense stop? Knecht is waaay better than McBuckets and I like McBuckets. Dalton can do more than just shoot the 3. Did you miss my earlier post in this thread? He shoots 63% from 2! His midrange is fire. And he’s great in the open floor. McBuckets is not even close to the athlete that Dalton is. And that’s where I think you are undervaluing him. McBuckets could never be a great defender because he doesn’t have the lateral quickness and overall athleticism. But check the combine stats, Knecht was #1 among alll participants in the shuttle run and #2 in lane agility. Combine that with a 39 inch max vert at 6’ 6” with a 6’ 9” wingspan and you’ve got arguably the best all-around athletic profile of any participant. The lane agility and shuttle run times in particular show that the potential to be a good defensive player is there. He just needs to put in the work. That potential was never there with McBuckets. Update: just to add more to this. I checked the combine data and McBuckets was mid-pack in the lane agility test (11.10) and near the bottom in the shuttle run (3.15). For comparison, Dalton was 10.56 and 2.79. You might say that McBuckets was bigger. Indeed, he did measure an inch taller, but thanks to Knecht's longer wingspan he actually has a slightly longer standing reach than McBuckets. |
Pretty much, Knecht is much more athletic than McBuckets, and he's much more athletic in general than people give him credit for.
You look at the measurements, the time splits and the vertical, nobody should be saying he isn't athletic or that his defense is close to McBuckets X_X
if McBuckets could come off the post move and nearly posterize Aaron Gordon he'd likely have had a different career.
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| MJST wrote: | | computernerd wrote: | | Laker_Jocker wrote: | Defense/Awareness is the issue at least at the moment….
As he is already an older player, his “floor” probably will be similar to McBuckets career where he’s a dangerous offensive player but really not playable for meaningful/consistent minutes on a good team because of the defense - just like McBuckets.
The optimistic/best case “ceiling” for his career in terms of minutes/percentages/contribution - especially if that team has other stars - I think might be something like DDV or MPJ.
It would be great if the Lakers have the patience to wait and see if the game slows down for him next year….. He would definitely be a future piece to hold on to If he can stay on the floor defensively thus having the OPPORTUNITY to contribute those elite offensive games of which he is clearly capable… |
When will this nonsense stop? Knecht is waaay better than McBuckets and I like McBuckets. Dalton can do more than just shoot the 3. Did you miss my earlier post in this thread? He shoots 63% from 2! His midrange is fire. And he’s great in the open floor. McBuckets is not even close to the athlete that Dalton is. And that’s where I think you are undervaluing him. McBuckets could never be a great defender because he doesn’t have the lateral quickness and overall athleticism. But check the combine stats, Knecht was #1 among alll participants in the shuttle run and #2 in lane agility. Combine that with a 39 inch max vert at 6’ 6” with a 6’ 9” wingspan and you’ve got arguably the best all-around athletic profile of any participant. The lane agility and shuttle run times in particular show that the potential to be a good defensive player is there. He just needs to put in the work. That potential was never there with McBuckets. Update: just to add more to this. I checked the combine data and McBuckets was mid-pack in the lane agility test (11.10) and near the bottom in the shuttle run (3.15). For comparison, Dalton was 10.56 and 2.79. You might say that McBuckets was bigger. Indeed, he did measure an inch taller, but thanks to Knecht's longer wingspan he actually has a slightly longer standing reach than McBuckets. |
Pretty much, Knecht is much more athletic than McBuckets, and he's much more athletic in general than people give him credit for.
You look at the measurements, the time splits and the vertical, nobody should be saying he isn't athletic or that his defense is close to McBuckets X_X
if McBuckets could come off the post move and nearly posterize Aaron Gordon he'd likely have had a different career. |
Exactly! Of all the players people are comparing him to, the one I like the best is MPJ, even though he is smaller. Just like MPJ, he’s a tall guy who shoots the ball really well, has a poor handle, and doesn’t have a lot of deception or “wiggle” in his game. MPJ and Knecht aren’t going to cross you up or do a two-step, step-back. They pretty much just use their length and a high, quick release to shoot the ball right in front of you. They also do a lot of straight-line drives both in the half-court and the open floor. Again, they make it work because of their size and hops. And while we’re on the subject of size, is it just me or is Knecht the tallest 6’ 6” player I have ever seen? He looks taller than Luka to me. |
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I'm trying to figure, could Knecht fit in more when Lebron retired/opened up a starting spot/role?
Hayes
(trade for a future all-star caliber big/4 that must be able to defend the perimeter)
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(starting 2-way guard that can defend smalls that give Luka/Knecht trouble)
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+ Reaves as 6th man
I dunno, I really prefer as a core, Knecht over Reaves. I feel he can give you more with his length and ability to shoot, cut and score around Luka than Reaves ever will.
I know Rob doesn't see it this way as he already traded the kid, but I'll keep saying this. The guys you move around Luka are players who handle the ball. You want a co-star that can play as a big, basically. Yes yes he made it to the Finals. Big whoop. They lost. We should aim to build a better team than the Mavs team that made 1 good run in 3 years of Luka/Kyrie.
With that in mind, longterm, I'd keep Hayes/Knecht around Luka. Both are only 24-25. Their primes are still ahead of them. I'd look to get a really good 2-way defensive guard that can start. That's a big need around Luka. We will need to be patient with Knecht on his defense and development, but I feel he's a better longterm prospect around Luka than Reaves or Rui. I'd rather keep Knecht and move the other 2 if need be to upgrade the roster. Clearly I'm in the minority over this. I do expect us to move DK over the offseason if we fail to win a title this year to "upgrade". |
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Lakers have a nice little core already built for Luka
Hayes 25 (may)
Rui 27
Dalton 24 (April)
Austin 27 (May)
Luka 26
Vando 26 (April)
Maybe
Goodwin 27 (October)
Koloko 25 (June)
Let this team win a run or two with Bron on the roster. They will still be in their primes when he leaves. This could be a dynasty in the making. A legendary Laker roster like showtime.
There’s plenty of time to add players that fit this age group.
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | I'm trying to figure, could Knecht fit in more when Lebron retired/opened up a starting spot/role?
Hayes
(trade for a future all-star caliber big/4 that must be able to defend the perimeter)
Knecht
(starting 2-way guard that can defend smalls that give Luka/Knecht trouble)
Doncic
+ Reaves as 6th man
I dunno, I really prefer as a core, Knecht over Reaves. I feel he can give you more with his length and ability to shoot, cut and score around Luka than Reaves ever will.
I know Rob doesn't see it this way as he already traded the kid, but I'll keep saying this. The guys you move around Luka are players who handle the ball. You want a co-star that can play as a big, basically. Yes yes he made it to the Finals. Big whoop. They lost. We should aim to build a better team than the Mavs team that made 1 good run in 3 years of Luka/Kyrie.
With that in mind, longterm, I'd keep Hayes/Knecht around Luka. Both are only 24-25. Their primes are still ahead of them. I'd look to get a really good 2-way defensive guard that can start. That's a big need around Luka. We will need to be patient with Knecht on his defense and development, but I feel he's a better longterm prospect around Luka than Reaves or Rui. I'd rather keep Knecht and move the other 2 if need be to upgrade the roster. Clearly I'm in the minority over this. I do expect us to move DK over the offseason if we fail to win a title this year to "upgrade". |
I have no doubt DK has a higher ceiling than Reaves. The problem is the goal of the front office is to win now. I think that’s the main reason why DK is on trading block. Not so much about his potential |
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | | LakerDYnasty72 wrote: | | textbook wrote: | He would be avg 25 for Charlotte right now.
It’s not about just give this guy time. You have to get him going early and often. He’s a walking bucket. Make an effort to get him some shots early in the game and let him get into rhythm. It will pay off later in the game. |
Excellent points and post! |
It's maybe one thing that having a scoring lead facilitator impacts differently than having a pass first facilitator. Magic would always focus on getting his guys going. LeBron and Luka are all world facilitators but they do it as scoring first threats. That allows tue defense to have more control as to who the dish off goes to. |
True, as far scorers first. Luka is definitely hardwired to score first. LeBron is too, but he's better at reading the situations and making a conscious effort to get others going. Kobe, at times, knew he had to do the same w/Shaq. Shaq had to eat well to get going so Kobe and the rest would feed him early and often to get him going.
However, I don't think it necessarily allows the defense to "control as to who the dish goes to". Constant movement prevents that from happening. |
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| PICKnPOP wrote: | Lakers have a nice little core already built for Luka
Hayes 25 (may)
Rui 27
Dalton 24 (April)
Austin 27 (May)
Luka 26
Vando 26 (April)
Maybe
Goodwin 27 (October)
Koloko 25 (June)
Let this team win a run or two with Bron on the roster. They will still be in their primes when he leaves. This could be a dynasty in the making. A legendary Laker roster like showtime.
There’s plenty of time to add players that fit this age group. |
Couldn’t agree more. I would not trade Knecht unless it’s part of a deal that brought back a quality big like Naz Reid or Myles Turner. And I’m not sure why people are comparing Reaves and Knecht. They are very different players and I see them as complimentary. |
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Personally, I really like him. He's shown toughness after getting traded. Mental and physical toughness.
When he got traded I thought it was a good trade for both teams. I could see him playing well next to Ball and all the other young players they have there. I thought his range would be used very well, and his ability to elevate. But I also recognize he could have done that here, but thought we needed a big man more. So I was not upset about the trade, even though I didn't want to see him go.
I am glad he is here though. He can see him improve even more, I think, as we've already seen him improve during the course of this season. |
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