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kikanga
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| defense wrote: | | He's a rookie that has shown a lot of offensive talent. You people need to relax! |
Yep. He's fine. He's not a bust. He's an inconsistent role player.
His upside looks promising. If he can make his defense passable, he'll at least be an above average bench wing. Could end up being starter level.
I trust JJ with his minutes. He'll give DK more minutes when Dalton earns them. 10th man on a championship contending team, ain't bad for a rookie.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2025 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| i like DK, but he's just too one dimensional right now. it's like the chicken and egg saga. he's only good when his shots are falling, but he won't get into rhythm without at least 15 mins of playing time. |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2025 8:19 am Post subject: |
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| windycitycane wrote: | | P.K. wrote: | | windycitycane wrote: | It’s a catch 22 He gets little minutes because he doesn’t produce but he doesn’t produce because he gets no minutes.
Gabe and JHS will go 3/20 (great games tonight though) from 3 and they have a long leash and minutes.
Dalton goes 3/12 and gets relegated to the end of the bench.
There’s a reason why other teams are interested in him.
Hope he is a part of this team moving forward. |
JHS was traded over a month ago, and he wasn't getting any minutes either
did you mean Goodwin?? |
Yea, sorry, Goodwin or even Finney Smith. |
Those guys execute. Gabe and especially DFS can be 1 for 6 from 3 but they'll always execute the gameplan, always compete defensively, always guard the best or second best offensive player, always put a body on someone when the ball is in the air, etc. They play hard and don't make mistakes on the defensive side of the ball. On top of all of that, they're shooting 36% and 39% from downtown respectively.
JJ does not trust Dalton to do the little things that a role player next to Bron, Luka, and Austin needs to do and rightfully so. He's a rookie that is still learning the ropes. This isn't an indictment on him going forward but an acknowledgment that the team is in win now mode and we can't afford any growing pains.
I think Dalton will get more opportunities as the season winds down but I can't imagine him playing 15+ MPG in the playoffs unless he's on a heater. |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2025 8:58 am Post subject: |
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| Lakeshow23_ wrote: | | windycitycane wrote: | | P.K. wrote: | | windycitycane wrote: | It’s a catch 22 He gets little minutes because he doesn’t produce but he doesn’t produce because he gets no minutes.
Gabe and JHS will go 3/20 (great games tonight though) from 3 and they have a long leash and minutes.
Dalton goes 3/12 and gets relegated to the end of the bench.
There’s a reason why other teams are interested in him.
Hope he is a part of this team moving forward. |
JHS was traded over a month ago, and he wasn't getting any minutes either
did you mean Goodwin?? |
Yea, sorry, Goodwin or even Finney Smith. |
Those guys execute. Gabe and especially DFS can be 1 for 6 from 3 but they'll always execute the gameplan, always compete defensively, always guard the best or second best offensive player, always put a body on someone when the ball is in the air, etc. They play hard and don't make mistakes on the defensive side of the ball. On top of all of that, they're shooting 36% and 39% from downtown respectively.
JJ does not trust Dalton to do the little things that a role player next to Bron, Luka, and Austin needs to do and rightfully so. He's a rookie that is still learning the ropes. This isn't an indictment on him going forward but an acknowledgment that the team is in win now mode and we can't afford any growing pains.
I think Dalton will get more opportunities as the season winds down but I can't imagine him playing 15+ MPG in the playoffs unless he's on a heater. |
Thank you for answering the question about his minutes with clear insight.
They used to target Austin but that boy put on his hardhat and got tougher on defense.
I bet they are pushing him hard behind the scenes..
Bleep needs to learn to hold onto the rim and stop hitting his head... or wear a helmet lol
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Would rather him just be a DNP-CD instead of the 4 and 5 minute games. What's the point?
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2025 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Would rather him just be a DNP-CD instead of the 4 and 5 minute games. What's the point? |
To give other guys a bit of a longer breather since Bron and Rui especially are still both getting their legs back. In the Playoffs I highly doubt that will be happening outside of foul trouble/health. Every minute you can give extra rest to the main core is a big Win especially with the passing insane stretch of games we just had blending into this now crazy stretch to end the Season. The game inside of the game, trying to keep everyone healthy but continue adding to the chemistry as much as possible with so little time left in the Season. |
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Would rather him just be a DNP-CD instead of the 4 and 5 minute games. What's the point? |
I figured it was to keep his head in the game. JJ may need to call on him at some point, and keeping him connected and engaged should help.
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Would rather him just be a DNP-CD instead of the 4 and 5 minute games. What's the point? |
I figured it was to keep his head in the game. JJ may need to call on him at some point, and keeping him connected and engaged should help. |
I could be off here but if you ask most guys which would they prefer
4 minutes a game or out of rotation, I think most would prefer out rotation. How can you get a rhythm in such little run? Give the minutes to Goodwin/Vando (yuck on spacing)
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2025 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Would rather him just be a DNP-CD instead of the 4 and 5 minute games. What's the point? |
I figured it was to keep his head in the game. JJ may need to call on him at some point, and keeping him connected and engaged should help. |
I could be off here but if you ask most guys which would they prefer
4 minutes a game or out of rotation, I think most would prefer out rotation. How can you get a rhythm in such little run? Give the minutes to Goodwin/Vando (yuck on spacing) |
I would much rather get a short look every night than register a bunch of DNP-CDs.
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Players care about their averages.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2025 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Players care about their averages. |
He probably has a few other more important things on his mind than his "averages" or at least he should. The Lakers care about winning, making sure Dalton is happy about his averages is one of the oddest arguments in this entire thread and there's been some borderline Highschool essay level long replies written about him already in here.
As a Rookie on a veteran Contending team that's not even a discussion valid of having imo. It's not like we have a Kobe situation going on or anything, the guys in front of him are still clearly better overall players. |
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The bench scores 7 points and JJ can't find some minutes for Dalton?
It would have been one thing if they were getting stops but GSW scores 123 anyway and they don't get him some shots.
I wish I was a fly on the wall in the Lakers locker room because I don't get it. |
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"But Dalton's defense..." falls apart when the bench of defenders gives up 20+ bench points and can't score 8.
"He's too one dimensional..." falls apart when the one dimension these 'all defense bench' lineups are put out there for doesn't compensate their own one-dimensional aspects of defense for their lack of offense when the other team's bench is competent.
In the NBA good offense beats good defense. You can put a bench of non-scoring defenders out there but the reality is the other team will score, and when the bench of defenders can't compensate to match that, it's a problem. It doesn't matter if you hold them to 10 points out of a possible 20 if you can only put up 5 out of a possible 25.
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I'm ok with what's happening here. The only concern I'd have is trade value. This is a win now roster. JJ just doesn't seem high on Knecht. Every coach has certain players they value and certain they don't.
JJ knows he needs vets to come in and play a role - defense, shoot 3s, etc in short spurts. Knecht is more of a rookie who will come in and sometimes give you great offense and others give you a whole bag of mistakes. There's a process of patience there needed.
JJ did give DK a lot of time, early on. Now seedings, playoffs are on the line.
I'm not saying JJ is a great coach or anything, he's not won a ring or proven to me he's of that level, but I do agree with what's going on, even though I'm a believer in DK's talent. The biggest concern I'd have is that I don't think the market for DK will be as high as it was at the trade deadline. Unless he has some big moments in the playoffs, this comes across as a guy that can't get minutes on a contender. When Pelinka traded DK, he showed his hand for the future. All upgrades will come in the form of the 2031 pick + DK. Now he'll need to attach possibly some salaries as well but that's basically how we improve over the offseason. DK just isn't in the longterm plans it seems. |
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| Lakeshow23_ wrote: |
I think Dalton will get more opportunities as the season winds down but I can't imagine him playing 15+ MPG in the playoffs unless he's on a heater. |
Which will never happen because he wont be playing more than 5 minutes each game at best |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2025 10:42 am Post subject: |
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All I care about at this stage in the season is that the Lakers win games.
So if they are ahead, I don't care how many DNP CDs that Dalton gets.
But when they are behind trying to catch up against a potent offensive team, where they are lighting you up and you put in your defensive players and they aren't able stop them, then at that point you might as well put in some offensive firepower.
That point where they went cold at the end of the quarter for three or four minutes is normally where they put in Knecht.
Even if he makes two shots it would have brought us closer to winning. |
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When the bench has only put up 5 points in a half and the other team's bench has put up 20+ and you don't put Knecht in you're actively working against the team.
James Worthy said last night that he isn't on the Coaching staff, but if he was, he'd have put Knecht in. Even they know it.
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If Knecht posts a video glorifying gun violence brandishing a hand gun, gets warned, and then does it again, then if he does a gun celebration, is warned about that, then does it again well he should be fined too! 🤣
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: |
If Knecht posts a video glorifying gun violence brandishing a hand gun, gets warned, and then does it again, then if he does a gun celebration, is warned about that, then does it again well he should be fined too! 🤣 |
some of those comments in the post.. lol .. comments with no knowledge
Here is the Ja Morant wannabe gangster rap sheet that we know of...DK4 rap sheet 404-not to be found
Morant didn't choose to buy himself out of the Hood.. just made the Hood more comfortable.
| Quote: | The 25-year-old has received multiple suspensions for incidents involving guns, with an eight-game suspension in 2023 after he flashed a gun during an Instagram Live. Two months later, he flashed a gun in a separate Instagram Live and received a 25-game suspension.
There was also an incident in which Indiana Pacers staff and security alleged someone in Morant's SUV pointed a laser at them after a game, with the belief the laser was attached to a gun. And there was that time Morant allegedly punched a 17-year-old boy repeatedly and threatened him with a gun, though a judge later ruled that was self-defense. |
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/article/ja-morant-breaks-out-finger-guns-again-after-reportedly-receiving-warning-from-nba-then-hits-buzzer-beater-012608790.html
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2025 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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I mean ok...
I couldn't fully pay attention to the game last night because I was working but it seemed like that could've helped last night... |
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| TDRock wrote: |
I mean ok...
I couldn't fully pay attention to the game last night because I was working but it seemed like that could've helped last night... |
What JJ is doing with Dalton is not unlike what SVG and Otis Smith did with him in Orlando. An incomplete player who struggled on defense and needed to learn the NBA game, Redick would later credit SVG with "saving his career" by forcing him to be patient and learn more before being thrown into the fire.
Given Knecht's unusual path to the NBA, you could conclude that he didn't have the same level of preparation for the professional game as players spending multiple years in NBA-prep programs. It seems counterintuitive that a nearly 24 year old rookie would be a project. But just note how athletic he is, how natural of a rebounder he is, how pure his shot is. Then look at how he is a step behind on defense, how out of position he gets, and how he misses his offensive cues.
He is more rookie max Christie at this phase than rookie Josh Hart.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2025 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | | TDRock wrote: |
I mean ok...
I couldn't fully pay attention to the game last night because I was working but it seemed like that could've helped last night... |
What JJ is doing with Dalton is not unlike what SVG and Otis Smith did with him in Orlando. An incomplete player who struggled on defense and needed to learn the NBA game, Redick would later credit SVG with "saving his career" by forcing him to be patient and learn more before being thrown into the fire.
Given Knecht's unusual path to the NBA, you could conclude that he didn't have the same level of preparation for the professional game as players spending multiple years in NBA-prep programs. It seems counterintuitive that a nearly 24 year old rookie would be a project. But just note how athletic he is, how natural of a rebounder he is, how pure his shot is. Then look at how he is a step behind on defense, how out of position he gets, and how he misses his offensive cues.
He is more rookie max Christie at this phase than rookie Josh Hart. |
Well said.
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Looked like a solid stat night. 20 minutes, 12 points 5/10 shooting
Did he have a good +/-? I didn’t see the game. Glad he finally got some real minutes out there. Was it in garbage time?
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