Looked like a solid stat night. 20 minutes, 12 points 5/10 shooting
Did he have a good +/-? I didn’t see the game. Glad he finally got some real minutes out there. Was it in garbage time?
Solid game from him. Lakers got their biggest leads with him on the bench but I'd say this was a game where he raised the team's floor and kept the motor running so the Pels didn't pull away/come back. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points."
There was never a case to be made that the Lakers are "laughably worse" with less D'Alton but this game should put that to rest. They haven't needed him to win games all season. I still like him as a prospect but I don't know where he fits in. Maybe if DFS takes on a smaller role going forward it will open up some minutes. I don't see them trading Rui, Vando is a possibility. If they aren't able to pick up a center in free agency I'd expect DK to be on the chopping block and possibly Gabe. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points."
There was never a case to be made that the Lakers are "laughably worse" with less D'Alton but this game should put that to rest. They haven't needed him to win games all season. I still like him as a prospect but I don't know where he fits in. Maybe if DFS takes on a smaller role going forward it will open up some minutes. I don't see them trading Rui, Vando is a possibility. If they aren't able to pick up a center in free agency I'd expect DK to be on the chopping block and possibly Gabe.
Dalton Vando First Kleiber for Turner … yes or no?
There was never a case to be made that the Lakers are "laughably worse" with less D'Alton but this game should put that to rest. They haven't needed him to win games all season. I still like him as a prospect but I don't know where he fits in. Maybe if DFS takes on a smaller role going forward it will open up some minutes. I don't see them trading Rui, Vando is a possibility. If they aren't able to pick up a center in free agency I'd expect DK to be on the chopping block and possibly Gabe.
Dalton Vando First Kleiber for Turner … yes or no?
Probably an overpay but if that's what it takes I don't see how you pass it up. Lakers will find another Dalton before they find another Myles. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points."
Rescinding the Mark Williams trade is looking like a mistake.
You gotta dig a bit deeper. He's playing off and on. He hasn't played any extended time before he has to sit for one thing or another. Been that way his whole career.
Lakers afraid of a Robert Williams III kind of player. Talented but brittle.
There was never a case to be made that the Lakers are "laughably worse" with less D'Alton but this game should put that to rest. They haven't needed him to win games all season. I still like him as a prospect but I don't know where he fits in. Maybe if DFS takes on a smaller role going forward it will open up some minutes. I don't see them trading Rui, Vando is a possibility. If they aren't able to pick up a center in free agency I'd expect DK to be on the chopping block and possibly Gabe.
People have SUCH a short term view, it's maddening.
Knecht right now is the worst he'll be for 10 years (barring injury). Reaves at 23 showed potential but if I told you 3 years ago that he'd be an efficient 20/6/5 guy who LeBron defers to... you'd tell me to shut the (bleep) up.
Just because Knecht doesn't have a role now doesn't mean he won't in the future. In particular, I think Knecht is raw at the "mental" aspects of the game. He doesn't seem particularly bright so this might always be a challenge, but he's always indicated a desire to improve. With good coaching and mentoring he can get much better at making reads on defense and using the attributes he does have. Rui is a good model in that sense.
This is not at all to say he's untouchable. In the right trade you send him out. The Lakers need a center, and if it means sending out Knecht for the right guy, then you do it. I just think Knecht has shown plenty to be a promising prospect. The "but he's 23" argument is not compelling when we've seen the growth from Reaves has grown so much as a 23 y/o rookie.
And, like, if it isn't until '26-'27 that he becomes a proper 20+ mpg rotation player, that's totally fine if the Lakers build out their roster in other ways. It is good to have talented players developing on the bench. It means as the current core starts to age out (especially DFS) you have a replacement who's ready to step in
There was never a case to be made that the Lakers are "laughably worse" with less D'Alton but this game should put that to rest. They haven't needed him to win games all season. I still like him as a prospect but I don't know where he fits in. Maybe if DFS takes on a smaller role going forward it will open up some minutes. I don't see them trading Rui, Vando is a possibility. If they aren't able to pick up a center in free agency I'd expect DK to be on the chopping block and possibly Gabe.
People have SUCH a short term view, it's maddening.
Knecht right now is the worst he'll be for 10 years (barring injury). Reaves at 23 showed potential but if I told you 3 years ago that he'd be an efficient 20/6/5 guy who LeBron defers to... you'd tell me to shut the (bleep) up.
Just because Knecht doesn't have a role now doesn't mean he won't in the future. In particular, I think Knecht is raw at the "mental" aspects of the game. He doesn't seem particularly bright so this might always be a challenge, but he's always indicated a desire to improve. With good coaching and mentoring he can get much better at making reads on defense and using the attributes he does have. Rui is a good model in that sense.
This is not at all to say he's untouchable. In the right trade you send him out. The Lakers need a center, and if it means sending out Knecht for the right guy, then you do it. I just think Knecht has shown plenty to be a promising prospect. The "but he's 23" argument is not compelling when we've seen the growth from Reaves has grown so much as a 23 y/o rookie.
And, like, if it isn't until '26-'27 that he becomes a proper 20+ mpg rotation player, that's totally fine if the Lakers build out their roster in other ways. It is good to have talented players developing on the bench. It means as the current core starts to age out (especially DFS) you have a replacement who's ready to step in
??? You're not even disagreeing with me. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points."
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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2025 5:43 pm Post subject:
LakerDYnasty72 wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
Rescinding the Mark Williams trade is looking like a mistake.
You gotta dig a bit deeper. He's playing off and on. He hasn't played any extended time before he has to sit for one thing or another. Been that way his whole career.
Lakers afraid of a Robert Williams III kind of player. Talented but brittle.
Yeah, it would be brutal to watch DK become a pure shooting 40+% from 3 15 ish ppg player on top of losing a rare 1st round pick while Williams is already breaking down as a player in his early 20's.
Nobody is questioning that Mark Williams isn't a very talented big because he clearly is but that health is a monumental question mark so we can't lose the tiny bit of legitimate ammo we have on a dud right in the middle of Luka's prime Years. When a 22 Year old big is already having consistent foot and back problems it's almost always a horrible sign for the future and def. not one worth gambling on in our situation. It's still frustrating as having a big like him would have us currently head and shoulders above anyone in the WC at the very minimum imo.
Rescinding the Mark Williams trade is looking like a mistake.
You gotta dig a bit deeper. He's playing off and on. He hasn't played any extended time before he has to sit for one thing or another. Been that way his whole career.
Lakers afraid of a Robert Williams III kind of player. Talented but brittle.
Yeah, it would be brutal to watch DK become a pure shooting 40+% from 3 15 ish ppg player on top of losing a rare 1st round pick while Williams is already breaking down as a player in his early 20's.
Nobody is questioning that Mark Williams isn't a very talented big because he clearly is but that health is a monumental question mark so we can't lose the tiny bit of legitimate ammo we have on a dud right in the middle of Luka's prime Years. When a 22 Year old big is already having consistent foot and back problems it's almost always a horrible sign for the future and def. not one worth gambling on in our situation. It's still frustrating as having a big like him would have us currently head and shoulders above anyone in the WC at the very minimum imo.
The deal would be more reasonable and probably would go through if no draft pick was involved. Mark Williams would have more impact on this team comparing to DK.
Joined: 19 Nov 2007 Posts: 4839 Location: Lake Nacimiento
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2025 2:03 pm Post subject:
lakersfan8 wrote:
hype wrote:
LakerDYnasty72 wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
Rescinding the Mark Williams trade is looking like a mistake.
You gotta dig a bit deeper. He's playing off and on. He hasn't played any extended time before he has to sit for one thing or another. Been that way his whole career.
Lakers afraid of a Robert Williams III kind of player. Talented but brittle.
Yeah, it would be brutal to watch DK become a pure shooting 40+% from 3 15 ish ppg player on top of losing a rare 1st round pick while Williams is already breaking down as a player in his early 20's.
Nobody is questioning that Mark Williams isn't a very talented big because he clearly is but that health is a monumental question mark so we can't lose the tiny bit of legitimate ammo we have on a dud right in the middle of Luka's prime Years. When a 22 Year old big is already having consistent foot and back problems it's almost always a horrible sign for the future and def. not one worth gambling on in our situation. It's still frustrating as having a big like him would have us currently head and shoulders above anyone in the WC at the very minimum imo.
The deal would be more reasonable and probably would go through if no draft pick was involved. Mark Williams would have more impact on this team comparing to DK.
Looking at just box scores and his ability? Clearly, he looks to be the missing piece. Reality though is that he's clearly not fully healthy right now but imo they're still showcasing him to pull off a trade in the off Season.
There's zero reason for him to even be playing right now beyond the above as they should have already shut him down and told him to have an extended off Season to get right considering he's a 22 Year old athletic center with actual 2 way star potential. Instead, they are basically heavily game managing him so he has plenty of rest between every game he plays which is another pretty glaring red flag.
I don't think the draft pick was the holdup at all.. It's that he's 22 Years old with persistent foot and back problems who has consistently missed games since he was drafted. Who knows exactly what the Lakers were thinking or saw exactly after the physical but to me it seems pretty obvious they don't believe these issues are going away.
Through 3 Season's he's played thus far...
43
19
42
That's while being 20-22 Years old.. If the Lakers concluded his health problems will continue to be high risk going forward then he was not worth any pieces of the trade. Foot and back issues are the literal kryptonite to big men in the NBA. The other big possible issue is that next Year will be his last on the rookie deal so if he finally does even reach 60 games played and looks to be trending in the right direction, are you going to feel comfortable giving him a big extension? As excited as I was at first about the trade it's looking like it was pretty clearly the right decision to kill it.
Rescinding the Mark Williams trade is looking like a mistake.
You gotta dig a bit deeper. He's playing off and on. He hasn't played any extended time before he has to sit for one thing or another. Been that way his whole career.
Lakers afraid of a Robert Williams III kind of player. Talented but brittle.
Yeah, it would be brutal to watch DK become a pure shooting 40+% from 3 15 ish ppg player on top of losing a rare 1st round pick while Williams is already breaking down as a player in his early 20's.
Nobody is questioning that Mark Williams isn't a very talented big because he clearly is but that health is a monumental question mark so we can't lose the tiny bit of legitimate ammo we have on a dud right in the middle of Luka's prime Years. When a 22 Year old big is already having consistent foot and back problems it's almost always a horrible sign for the future and def. not one worth gambling on in our situation. It's still frustrating as having a big like him would have us currently head and shoulders above anyone in the WC at the very minimum imo.
The deal would be more reasonable and probably would go through if no draft pick was involved. Mark Williams would have more impact on this team comparing to DK.
More reasonable, but not necessarily more prudent. It certainly is super tantalizing to romanticize how much better Williams would have made us. But he's 7ft of various medical issues.
Would it still be wise to give up a healthy asset that fell to us in the draft for a player who has played about 104 games in 3 seasons? A player who projects to play on a part time basis? A depreciating asset the moment we acquire him?
For a mature ready to go sniper? Who has had no injury issues? And is way, way more than just a sniper. He's got hops & a jumper. Perfect for Luka & LeBron just like Williams would be, except DK would be available whenever we need him.
In short, health would probably still tip the scales to pass on this promising big man.
I understand the concern about his health issue but my point is having Williams instead of DK would increase our chance of winning the championship RIGHT NOW. Forget about their future potential, and just look at our current roster, you are basically replacing a 8th/9th rotational player with a starting 5. This is not about who is the better player, it is evaluating which player is more impactful to the team.
The bottom line is Pelinka should have never offered that much asset for Williams due to his health concern.
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2025 8:51 pm Post subject:
Lakers found something in his health that they didn’t like. It wouldnt surprise me if the physical was a bit more in depth given his injury history. Rob did overpay but I’m not even sure if a DK for Williams straight up trade was on the table. Lot of people have a conspiracy that Rob backed out cause he overpaid but I’m sure they saw something they didn’t like on exam. Would Williams have helped us? Absolutely but we can’t play the what if game. What’s done is done.
I wasn't disagreeing, just putting a different angle on it
I think it's a good thing the Lakers have enough depth to not need Knecht right now, but he'll be helpful in the future. As you said if he's required to get a starting C then yeah you do it
After some deliberation I think his ceiling is basically Norman Powell. Powell is much better at creating for himself but I think offensively they can have similar impact. On another team Knecht could put up 20 a game but on this team he may never get that kind of opportunity even if/when LeBron retires. That's why it's important for him to do the little things to effect a game because he won't always get a high volume of shots. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points."
No doubt in my mind he’d be a 20 ppg scorer as a rookie if he goes lottery. Even when he isn’t really shooting well he’s a bucket. _________________ “Cuban would never”
Generally like to see progression from Rookies. Not sure what areas we can say Dalton took strides in. This summer is going to be big for him. _________________ The King, the Don and the Daddy walk into the arena...
I didnt' watch the game but see that he went 9-21. Was he efficient?
I watched bits and pieces. My concern was that he did not look like the best player on the floor. Of course, Shake was awful running the offense and Bronny wasn't much better.
JJ has him on a short leash for a reason. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2025 3:54 pm Post subject:
Dr. Laker wrote:
ThePageDude wrote:
Zillethai wrote:
Damn he went off
I didnt' watch the game but see that he went 9-21. Was he efficient?
I watched bits and pieces. My concern was that he did not look like the best player on the floor. Of course, Shake was awful running the offense and Bronny wasn't much better.
JJ has him on a short leash for a reason.
Trying to motivate him for next season to have something to prove. With Austin and Goodwin, there are no minutes this season. He needs to really work on defense... if his defense is decent, he starts. _________________ "He may say it's not you, it's him.... but it's really you."
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