Very excited to see Knecht this season, It's been a long time since we actually draft a player that has lottery level talent. I hope he get plenty of play time so he can get accustom to the speed and mature quickly.
Yeah, he's a player Lakers need to develop. He could be an even more
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Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2024 5:57 pm Post subject:
DLaker wrote:
Very excited to see Knecht this season, It's been a long time since we actually draft a player that has lottery level talent. I hope he get plenty of play time so he can get accustom to the speed and mature quickly.
Yeah, Ingram was the last. Unfortunately that happens when you trade so many picks away. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
Very excited to see Knecht this season, It's been a long time since we actually draft a player that has lottery level talent. I hope he get plenty of play time so he can get accustom to the speed and mature quickly.
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Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2024 10:34 am Post subject:
MJST wrote:
DLaker wrote:
Very excited to see Knecht this season, It's been a long time since we actually draft a player that has lottery level talent. I hope he get plenty of play time so he can get accustom to the speed and mature quickly.
Austin Reaves was a lottery talent of the 2021 Draft.
Reaves will never be confused as a lottery talent. He is second round pick material, lottery talents have upside and Reaves had already achieved his. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
Very excited to see Knecht this season, It's been a long time since we actually draft a player that has lottery level talent. I hope he get plenty of play time so he can get accustom to the speed and mature quickly.
Austin Reaves was a lottery talent of the 2021 Draft.
Reaves will never be confused as a lottery talent.
Name 18 people players in the 2021 NBA Draft better than Austin Reaves. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
Very excited to see Knecht this season, It's been a long time since we actually draft a player that has lottery level talent. I hope he get plenty of play time so he can get accustom to the speed and mature quickly.
Austin Reaves was a lottery talent of the 2021 Draft.
Reaves will never be confused as a lottery talent.
Name 18 people players in the 2021 NBA Draft better than Austin Reaves.
Love AR but he does not have lottery talent. He does not have the foot speed or as athletically gifted as a lottery talent. He developed into a very good player and a top player in his draft class, but not lottery talent. AR can develop to a great player, but it not because of his natural potential you can see from a lottery talent. Knecht on the other hand has the height, shooting, hops and length that if developed can lead to something special.
Very excited to see Knecht this season, It's been a long time since we actually draft a player that has lottery level talent. I hope he get plenty of play time so he can get accustom to the speed and mature quickly.
Austin Reaves was a lottery talent of the 2021 Draft.
Reaves will never be confused as a lottery talent.
Name 18 people players in the 2021 NBA Draft better than Austin Reaves.
Love AR but he does not have lottery talent. He does not have the foot speed or as athletically gifted as a lottery talent. He developed into a very good player and a top player in his draft class, but not lottery talent. AR can develop to a great player, but it not because of his natural potential you can see from a lottery talent. Knecht on the other hand has the height, shooting, hops and length that if developed can lead to something special.
Name 18 players better than Reaves in the 2021 draft. _________________ Lakers Offseason Goal:
- Draft Edey or Ware (Another guard)
- Sign Jonas or Claxton (NOBODY)
- sign and trade DLO (nobody wants him LMAO!)
- sign a coach that’s not an idiot (JJ: LeBron Bestie/might be a racist)
Very excited to see Knecht this season, It's been a long time since we actually draft a player that has lottery level talent. I hope he get plenty of play time so he can get accustom to the speed and mature quickly.
Austin Reaves was a lottery talent of the 2021 Draft.
Reaves will never be confused as a lottery talent.
Name 18 people players in the 2021 NBA Draft better than Austin Reaves.
Love AR but he does not have lottery talent. He does not have the foot speed or as athletically gifted as a lottery talent. He developed into a very good player and a top player in his draft class, but not lottery talent. AR can develop to a great player, but it not because of his natural potential you can see from a lottery talent. Knecht on the other hand has the height, shooting, hops and length that if developed can lead to something special.
People can debate, and have opinions, on whichever players have lottery talent...or first round talent...or, not.
But, to confuse the need for high level athleticism as a necessary requirement to me a bona fide lottery talent is misguided. Just look at players like Jokic, Doncic, Sabonis, Steph...
Yes, being athletically gifted gives you certain advantages, in a league geared towards athleticism. But, skill and IQ go a long way as well, and are equally as important, imo. _________________ ZOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!
Very excited to see Knecht this season, It's been a long time since we actually draft a player that has lottery level talent. I hope he get plenty of play time so he can get accustom to the speed and mature quickly.
Austin Reaves was a lottery talent of the 2021 Draft.
Reaves will never be confused as a lottery talent.
Name 18 people players in the 2021 NBA Draft better than Austin Reaves.
Love AR but he does not have lottery talent. He does not have the foot speed or as athletically gifted as a lottery talent. He developed into a very good player and a top player in his draft class, but not lottery talent. AR can develop to a great player, but it not because of his natural potential you can see from a lottery talent. Knecht on the other hand has the height, shooting, hops and length that if developed can lead to something special.
People can debate, and have opinions, on whichever players have lottery talent...or first round talent...or, not.
But, to confuse the need for high level athleticism as a necessary requirement to me a bona fide lottery talent is misguided. Just look at players like Jokic, Doncic, Sabonis, Steph...
Yes, being athletically gifted gives you certain advantages, in a league geared towards athleticism. But, skill and IQ go a long way as well, and are equally as important, imo.
Like I said I love AR and he is already proven to everyone he belongs. But if you tell me he is lottery talent when he came out of the draft then I say BS. Knecth, Max and Koloko has lottery talent u look for, will they pan out we will see. As an evaluator smart and IQ always included, one things u can’t teach is size on there respected position and the athleticism they possess. Steph in proved himself in college and is lottery, Doncic proved himself internationally due to his skill set, Jokic has size but don’t consider him lottery same goes with Sabonis they proved themselves just like AR did.
Very excited to see Knecht this season, It's been a long time since we actually draft a player that has lottery level talent. I hope he get plenty of play time so he can get accustom to the speed and mature quickly.
Austin Reaves was a lottery talent of the 2021 Draft.
Reaves will never be confused as a lottery talent.
Name 18 people players in the 2021 NBA Draft better than Austin Reaves.
Love AR but he does not have lottery talent. He does not have the foot speed or as athletically gifted as a lottery talent. He developed into a very good player and a top player in his draft class, but not lottery talent. AR can develop to a great player, but it not because of his natural potential you can see from a lottery talent. Knecht on the other hand has the height, shooting, hops and length that if developed can lead to something special.
People can debate, and have opinions, on whichever players have lottery talent...or first round talent...or, not.
But, to confuse the need for high level athleticism as a necessary requirement to me a bona fide lottery talent is misguided. Just look at players like Jokic, Doncic, Sabonis, Steph...
Yes, being athletically gifted gives you certain advantages, in a league geared towards athleticism. But, skill and IQ go a long way as well, and are equally as important, imo.
Like I said I love AR and he is already proven to everyone he belongs. But if you tell me he is lottery talent when he came out of the draft then I say BS.
There's 18 teams in the lottery? _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points."
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Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 9:20 am Post subject:
sonic the laker wrote:
DLaker wrote:
MJST wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
MJST wrote:
DLaker wrote:
Very excited to see Knecht this season, It's been a long time since we actually draft a player that has lottery level talent. I hope he get plenty of play time so he can get accustom to the speed and mature quickly.
Austin Reaves was a lottery talent of the 2021 Draft.
Reaves will never be confused as a lottery talent.
Name 18 people players in the 2021 NBA Draft better than Austin Reaves.
Love AR but he does not have lottery talent. He does not have the foot speed or as athletically gifted as a lottery talent. He developed into a very good player and a top player in his draft class, but not lottery talent. AR can develop to a great player, but it not because of his natural potential you can see from a lottery talent. Knecht on the other hand has the height, shooting, hops and length that if developed can lead to something special.
People can debate, and have opinions, on whichever players have lottery talent...or first round talent...or, not.
But, to confuse the need for high level athleticism as a necessary requirement to me a bona fide lottery talent is misguided. Just look at players like Jokic, Doncic, Sabonis, Steph...
Yes, being athletically gifted gives you certain advantages, in a league geared towards athleticism. But, skill and IQ go a long way as well, and are equally as important, imo.
The most accurate way to determine lottery talent is to look at who was selected in the lottery. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
Very excited to see Knecht this season, It's been a long time since we actually draft a player that has lottery level talent. I hope he get plenty of play time so he can get accustom to the speed and mature quickly.
Austin Reaves was a lottery talent of the 2021 Draft.
Reaves will never be confused as a lottery talent.
Name 18 people players in the 2021 NBA Draft better than Austin Reaves.
Love AR but he does not have lottery talent. He does not have the foot speed or as athletically gifted as a lottery talent. He developed into a very good player and a top player in his draft class, but not lottery talent. AR can develop to a great player, but it not because of his natural potential you can see from a lottery talent. Knecht on the other hand has the height, shooting, hops and length that if developed can lead to something special.
People can debate, and have opinions, on whichever players have lottery talent...or first round talent...or, not.
But, to confuse the need for high level athleticism as a necessary requirement to me a bona fide lottery talent is misguided. Just look at players like Jokic, Doncic, Sabonis, Steph...
Yes, being athletically gifted gives you certain advantages, in a league geared towards athleticism. But, skill and IQ go a long way as well, and are equally as important, imo.
The most accurate way to determine lottery talent is to look at who was selected in the lottery.
Yes, and technically the lottery is 1-14.
If he can't find 14 players better than Austin Reaves in the 2021 NBA Draft then Reaves is a lottery level talent. But that's why he won't answer.
Better way to even ask that is this, if 2021 NBA Draft was redone with what we know now, where would Reaves have been drafted?
Would he have been in the Top 14. I don't expect him to answer though because he knows Reaves would go in the Top 14 thus debunking what he said.
I'll even make it easier
Here was who was drafted in the Top 14 of the 2021 NBA Draft
1. Pistons draft Cade Cunningham
2. Rockets draft Jalen Green
3. Cavaliers draft Evan Mobley
4. Raptors draft Scottie Barnes
5. Magic draft Jalen Suggs
6. Thunder draft Josh Giddey
7. Warriors draft Jonathan Kuminga
8. Magic draft Franz Wagner
9. Kings draft Davion Mitchell
10. Pelicans draft Ziaire Williams (officially traded to Grizzlies)
11. Hornets draft James Bouknight
12. Spurs draft Joshua Primo
13. Pacers draft Chris Duarte
14. Warriors draft Moses Moody
15. Wizards draft Corey Kispert
16. Thunder draft Alperen Sengun (officially traded to Rockets)
17. Grizzlies draft Trey Murphy (officially traded to Pelicans)
18. Thunder draft Tre Mann
19. Knicks draft Kai Jones (officially traded to Hornets)
20. Hawks draft Jalen Johnson
21. Knicks draft Keon Johnson (officially traded to Clippers)
22. Lakers draft Isaiah Jackson (officially traded to Pacers via Wizards)
23. Rockets draft Usman Garuba
24. Rockets draft Josh Christopher
25. Clippers draft Quentin Grimes (officially traded to Knicks)
26. Nuggets draft Nah’Shon Hyland
27. Nets draft Cameron Thomas
28. 76ers draft Jaden Springer
29. Suns draft Day’Ron Sharpe (officially traded to Nets)
30. Jazz draft Santi Aldama (officially traded to Grizzlies)
And here was the 2nd Round
31. Bucks draft Isaiah Todd (officially traded to Wizards via Pacers)
32. Knicks draft Jeremiah Robinson-Earl (officially traded to Thunder)
33. Magic draft Jason Preston (officially traded to the Clippers)
34. Thunder draft Rokas Jokubaitis (officially traded to Knicks)
35. Pelicans draft Herbert Jones
36. Thunder draft Miles McBride (officially traded to Knicks)
37. Pistons draft JT Thor (officially traded to Hornets)
38. Bulls draft Ayo Dosunmu
39. Kings draft Neemias Queta
40. Pelicans draft Jared Butler (officially traded to Jazz via Grizzlies)
41. Spurs draft Joe Wieskamp
42. Pistons draft Isaiah Livers
43. Pelicans draft Greg Brown (officially traded to Blazers)
44. Nets draft Kessler Edwards
45. Celtics draft Juhann Begarin
46. Raptors draft Dalano Banton
47. Raptors draft David Johnson
48. Hawks draft Sharife Cooper
49. Nets draft Marcus Zegarowski
50. 76ers draft Filip Petrusev
51. Grizzlies draft BJ Boston (officially traded to Clippers via Pelicans)
52. Pistons draft Luka Garza
53. 76ers draft Charles Bassey
54. Pacers draft Sandro Mamukelashvili (officially traded to Bucks)
55. Thunder draft Aaron Wiggins
56. Hornets draft Scottie Lewis
57. Hornets draft Balsa Koprivica (officially traded to Pistons)
58. Knicks draft Jericho Sims
59. Nets draft RaiQuan Gray
60. Pacers draft Georgios Kalaitzakis (officially traded to Bucks)
All he's gotta do is find 14 players better than Austin Reaves. Should be easy, right?
I'll even get him started
Evan Mobley
Alperen Sengun
Scottie Barnes
Jalen Green
Jonathan Kuminga
Cade Cunningham
Franz Wagner
There's 7, he only needs to find 7 more.
To me Reaves lands right in line with Trey Murphy and Jalen Johnson and they're right with one another, the both of them also deserving to have been drafted in the lottery. So for me, Reaves goes Top 10 at best, Top 12 at worst. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
^^^ Sengun, Josh Giddey, and Jalen Suggs go before him as well
And then you just have to ask what you think of Duarte and Grimes.
But Reaves is first round talent
Sengun was the second person I listed. I wouldn't take Giddey over Reaves.
Suggs.. I don't know if he's there last season, but he may make that leap this season. Depends on the one Reaves also makes. But yes Sengun for sure.
Duarte, definitely not, Grimes who couldn't get off the bench in Detroit? No. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
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FYI, I don’t answer cause that is not what I meant. U think thing too literally, to me lottery talent is somebody you can predict if developed properly can turn into something special. AR was never that coming out of college. Knecth is. AR has to prove himself in the NBA that he belongs and he did it with flying colors and became a top draft in his class. Loterry talent he is not cause you could have not predicted what he did. If u thought AR was a lottery talent when he went in the draft u are can read the future.
FYI, I don’t answer cause that is not what I meant. U think thing too literally, to me lottery talent is somebody you can predict if developed properly can turn into something special. AR was never that coming out of college. Knecth is. AR has to prove himself in the NBA that he belongs and he did it with flying colors and became a top draft in his class. Loterry talent he is not cause you could have not predicted what he did. If u thought AR was a lottery talent when he went in the draft u are can read the future.
Ah so we have two different definitions. Your definition of a lottery talent is someone that is something really special, and mine is someone that would be/should have been taken in the lottery if a redraft happened and one of the Top 14 players of their draft. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
Duarte is a maybe. He started better than Reaves in his first year and got to play. He got 28 mins a night and he produced far more than Reaves did year 2. The following years after that he fell down but his role changed. That could have been Reaves had Pelinka not cleared the deck in his second year and sent off Russ, Bev, Nunn, and so on.
Grimes is 3 years younger and his second year was very good with the Knicks. He had something to build on but the Knicks went full Nova Knicks with Hart and Divi so he fell down the rotation and got traded to clear space for their moves like Bridges. Again he’s a maybe. He had a very good second year and he is younger and more athletic.
I didn’t say definetly but both showed something that was better than Reaves year 1 despite his age advantage on them
^^^ Sengun, Josh Giddey, and Jalen Suggs go before him as well
And then you just have to ask what you think of Duarte and Grimes.
But Reaves is first round talent
Sengun was the second person I listed. I wouldn't take Giddey over Reaves.
Suggs.. I don't know if he's there last season, but he may make that leap this season. Depends on the one Reaves also makes. But yes Sengun for sure.
Duarte, definitely not, Grimes who couldn't get off the bench in Detroit? No.
Giddey is killer for the press. But the actual player has been a full starter his whole career. He’s started at the 1 and 2. He’s 21 years old and produced always. He’s a better more well rounded player than Reaves imo and he’s far younger. He rebounds better, passes better, and scores better too. Hell even last year with just 25 mins a night he put up 13 a night. He’s had bad press, but his play beats them
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Kblo247! wrote:
MJST wrote:
Kblo247! wrote:
^^^ Sengun, Josh Giddey, and Jalen Suggs go before him as well
And then you just have to ask what you think of Duarte and Grimes.
But Reaves is first round talent
Sengun was the second person I listed. I wouldn't take Giddey over Reaves.
Suggs.. I don't know if he's there last season, but he may make that leap this season. Depends on the one Reaves also makes. But yes Sengun for sure.
Duarte, definitely not, Grimes who couldn't get off the bench in Detroit? No.
Giddey is killer for the press. But the actual player has been a full starter his whole career. He’s started at the 1 and 2. He’s 21 years old and produced always. He’s a better more well rounded player than Reaves imo and he’s faryounger. He rebounds better, passes better, and scoresbetter too. Hell even last year with just 25 mins a night he put up 13 a night. He’s had bad press, but his play beats them
One might also say that he scores better with the far younger. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
Duarte is a maybe. He started better than Reaves in his first year and got to play. He got 28 mins a night and he produced far more than Reaves did year 2. The following years after that he fell down but his role changed. That could have been Reaves had Pelinka not cleared the deck in his second year and sent off Russ, Bev, Nunn, and so on.
Grimes is 3 years younger and his second year was very good with the Knicks. He had something to build on but the Knicks went full Nova Knicks with Hart and Divi so he fell down the rotation and got traded to clear space for their moves like Bridges. Again he’s a maybe. He had a very good second year and he is younger and more athletic.
I didn’t say definetly but both showed something that was better than Reaves year 1 despite his age advantage on them
In what reality did Grimes "produced far more" than Reaves...in ANY year? Because it certainly isn't in the reality I'm living in. Granted, Grimes has a better career 3pt%, on more attempts, than Reaves. Kudos. But, other than that?
Reaves played more games, started more games, had more minutes, and averaged slightly more points, and assists than Grimes, in their first year.
In Grimes second year (his best) he played more games, and minutes, than Reaves. But, Reaves still beat him statistically across the board, while earning MIP/MOY votes.
The third year was a down year for both players, for different reasons. Grimes season was disrupted by his trade to Detroit. Reaves coming into the season with no offseason rest. Despite this, while Reaves percentages dipped, his production increased.
And, Reaves (26), is only two years older than Grimes (24). Just a slight correction. (and Grimes has since been traded by Detroit, to the Mavs) Not putting dirt on Grimes, because he's still young. But, if we're being honest, Reaves has won that race since jump, and is still winning.
Oh. And, I'm really high on Knecht! _________________ ZOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You're out of your mind. That pedo can't hold AR's jockstrap. _________________ Lakers Offseason Goal:
- Draft Edey or Ware (Another guard)
- Sign Jonas or Claxton (NOBODY)
- sign and trade DLO (nobody wants him LMAO!)
- sign a coach that’s not an idiot (JJ: LeBron Bestie/might be a racist)
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