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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:04 am    Post subject:

I feel like Ryan gosling’s dad in remember the titans when they sat him down for petey when bronny giot serious game time mins
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Time to go to g league and stay there so we can stop talking about him

That would be the best compromise for a terrible but necessary situation (because of LBJ), all things considered. I doubt the Lakers are brave enough to do it, but since they'll never outright trade or waive Bronny, this is the next best thing.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2024 7:05 am    Post subject:

I think they will keep playing Bronny until he and his dad get that “high-five” moment…Then they will think it proves he can get buckets, so they will try to accumulate more “high-five” moments.
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I think they will keep playing Bronny until he and his dad get that “high-five” moment…Then they will think it proves he can get buckets, so they will try to accumulate more “high-five” moments.


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December 19-22: 2024 NBA G League Winter Showcase (Orlando, FL)
December 27: NBA G League 34-game Regular Season begins
January 5, 2025: 10-Day Contracts may now be signed
January 10: All NBA contracts are guaranteed for the remainder of the season
April 1: NBA G League Playoffs presented by Google Pixel begin
April 13: NBA Regular Season ends
April 15-18: NBA Play-In Tournament
April 19: NBA Playoffs 2025 begin


There are 23 games before the G League showcase.

The most likely scenario that Bronny will play with LeBron is during garbage time, where the game is out of reach, and the Laker's are up big.

Other than that, I don't see him getting much time on the floor.

Once the G-League gets going then he will be with the GLeague for most of the season until playoff time.
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It's a publicity stunt through and through. Bronny has to be thinking what the heck am I doing here... off to the G leagues and move on.


The Clippers had a father coach his son a few years ago, and his son was at least good enough to be an NBA player. I don’t remember anyone here being impressed by that.

I wonder how it would go if the team picked up a WNBA player and put her on the roster. She would be about the same height as Bronny, with more experience/basketball IQ and would shoot better. Having the first woman in the league is a bigger deal than putting someone on the roster because his dad wants it to happen.
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To be clear, I think the "impressive" part here is more the numbers and unlikelihood that this would ever happen again. Overall average retirement age in the NBA is late 20s, but average age for stars to retire is 34-37. There have been something like 30 players in NBA history to play at age 40+. It's an anomaly that someone would have a kid young enough such that the kid was even draft eligible while the player was still in the NBA. It hasn't happened. Vince Carter retired at age 43. His oldest kid (who incidentally is a girl) was 15 at that time. David Stockton's dad played until he was 41, when David was 12. Ryan Mutombo was 7 when his father retired at age 42. Michael Jordan's oldest son was 15 when MJ retired (for the third time) at age 40. I think you're getting the point. The reason this situation is interesting is not because there's never been another player or coach with a kid good enough to make the league. It's interesting because it is layering levels and levels of anomalies. Hard to pinpoint the exact numbers, but the NBA has seen something like 4500-5000 players play at least one game. Of those, a very small fraction played long enough to have kids that were adults before the player retired (as mentioned, only something like 30 players in league history made it to age 40). And add to that the fact that Lebron is not just appearing on a roster like Udonis Haslem, but is still one of the top players in the NBA while his son is an adult. Jayson Tatum is a famous young NBA father. This would be like if Tatum played another 13 (!) years, on top of the 7 he has already played to the point where Deuce was draft eligible. That would mean Tatum was still playing in 2037. So while a father coaching his son is neat, what we're seeing here is very unlikely to happen again (if ever). There's a reason why it hasn't happened before in the league despite there being many multi-generational NBA families and why it hasn't happened in most sports. Scott Brooks had a quote in an article that came out today where he said he has been around the game for 38 years and never expected to see this. You may have some issue with Bronny the prospect, but this is why people are impressed by it. Call it a publicity stunt because it's an easy statement to make before we know for sure whether Bronny can hold his own on a NBA court (which is probably 2 years away). But we're talking about an extremely small number of cases where this was even possible and the first time in a league that has been around for nearly 8 decades that it has ever happened. Sorry that some feel that is worth acknowledging. You might say it is as much an accomplishment for Lebron as it is for Bronny.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:52 pm    Post subject:

It is amazing that Lebron is having the career he has had and the longevity he has had, and still had enough influence on a team at his age that he can get this sort of thing to happen. It is not amazing that Lebron would get a team to put his son on the roster for his own selfish interests. Teams have made moves in an effort to appease stars before. That part is nothing new.

When Doc Rivers son played on the team, his son even helped the team in the playoffs. Hopefully Bronny will get there one day, we’ll see.

I think Ken Griffey Sr. and Jr. being on the same team is more amazing, because they both were good enough to play in the league. People weren’t saying that maybe one day Jr. MIGHT be good enough to make it.
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It's a lot of outlier events coalescing, Steve. That's all. No one is saying Bron/Bronny is the same as the Griffeys. It's just the first time it has happened in this sport. You can frame it as contrived, but Bronny isn't even the worst prospect on this team. And unless Jayson Tatum is playing until 2037, it is unlikely we see another situation where a guy is still playing in the league when his kid is 19 (whether or not the kid is "good enough" to make the league).
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It's a lot of outlier events coalescing, Steve. That's all. No one is saying Bron/Bronny is the same as the Griffeys. It's just the first time it has happened in this sport. You can frame it as contrived, but Bronny isn't even the worst prospect on this team. And unless Jayson Tatum is playing until 2037, it is unlikely we see another situation where a guy is still playing in the league when his kid is 19 (whether or not the kid is "good enough" to make the league).


yes he is. By a long shot.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:39 pm    Post subject:

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It's a lot of outlier events coalescing, Steve. That's all. No one is saying Bron/Bronny is the same as the Griffeys. It's just the first time it has happened in this sport. You can frame it as contrived, but Bronny isn't even the worst prospect on this team. And unless Jayson Tatum is playing until 2037, it is unlikely we see another situation where a guy is still playing in the league when his kid is 19 (whether or not the kid is "good enough" to make the league).


yes he is. By a long shot.


JHS would like a word. Bronny may never develop into a playable NBA player. But I wish that JHS had shown the signs of life Bronny showed in the last preseason game (which JHS also started and logged heavy minutes in), at least once. "Long shot" is a stretch when we have a guy who played a full season of college (including a tourney run), has been on a NBA roster for over a year, played significant G League minutes last season, and still looked that lost all preseason. Maybe the answer is neither of them are NBA players, but lol at "by a long shot".
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To be clear, I think the "impressive" part here is more the numbers and unlikelihood that this would ever happen again. Overall average retirement age in the NBA is late 20s, but average age for stars to retire is 34-37. There have been something like 30 players in NBA history to play at age 40+. It's an anomaly that someone would have a kid young enough such that the kid was even draft eligible while the player was still in the NBA. It hasn't happened. Vince Carter retired at age 43. His oldest kid (who incidentally is a girl) was 15 at that time. David Stockton's dad played until he was 41, when David was 12. Ryan Mutombo was 7 when his father retired at age 42. Michael Jordan's oldest son was 15 when MJ retired (for the third time) at age 40. I think you're getting the point. The reason this situation is interesting is not because there's never been another player or coach with a kid good enough to make the league. It's interesting because it is layering levels and levels of anomalies. Hard to pinpoint the exact numbers, but the NBA has seen something like 4500-5000 players play at least one game. Of those, a very small fraction played long enough to have kids that were adults before the player retired (as mentioned, only something like 30 players in league history made it to age 40). And add to that the fact that Lebron is not just appearing on a roster like Udonis Haslem, but is still one of the top players in the NBA while his son is an adult. Jayson Tatum is a famous young NBA father. This would be like if Tatum played another 13 (!) years, on top of the 7 he has already played to the point where Deuce was draft eligible. That would mean Tatum was still playing in 2037. So while a father coaching his son is neat, what we're seeing here is very unlikely to happen again (if ever). There's a reason why it hasn't happened before in the league despite there being many multi-generational NBA families and why it hasn't happened in most sports. Scott Brooks had a quote in an article that came out today where he said he has been around the game for 38 years and never expected to see this. You may have some issue with Bronny the prospect, but this is why people are impressed by it. Call it a publicity stunt because it's an easy statement to make before we know for sure whether Bronny can hold his own on a NBA court (which is probably 2 years away). But we're talking about an extremely small number of cases where this was even possible and the first time in a league that has been around for nearly 8 decades that it has ever happened. Sorry that some feel that is worth acknowledging. You might say it is as much an accomplishment for Lebron as it is for Bronny.


Atticus, please , please, please break that post into multiple paragraphs. Looks like some valid points in there.
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Atticus wrote:
To be clear, I think the "impressive" part here is more the numbers and unlikelihood that this would ever happen again. Overall average retirement age in the NBA is late 20s, but average age for stars to retire is 34-37. There have been something like 30 players in NBA history to play at age 40+. It's an anomaly that someone would have a kid young enough such that the kid was even draft eligible while the player was still in the NBA. It hasn't happened. Vince Carter retired at age 43. His oldest kid (who incidentally is a girl) was 15 at that time. David Stockton's dad played until he was 41, when David was 12. Ryan Mutombo was 7 when his father retired at age 42. Michael Jordan's oldest son was 15 when MJ retired (for the third time) at age 40. I think you're getting the point. The reason this situation is interesting is not because there's never been another player or coach with a kid good enough to make the league. It's interesting because it is layering levels and levels of anomalies. Hard to pinpoint the exact numbers, but the NBA has seen something like 4500-5000 players play at least one game. Of those, a very small fraction played long enough to have kids that were adults before the player retired (as mentioned, only something like 30 players in league history made it to age 40). And add to that the fact that Lebron is not just appearing on a roster like Udonis Haslem, but is still one of the top players in the NBA while his son is an adult. Jayson Tatum is a famous young NBA father. This would be like if Tatum played another 13 (!) years, on top of the 7 he has already played to the point where Deuce was draft eligible. That would mean Tatum was still playing in 2037. So while a father coaching his son is neat, what we're seeing here is very unlikely to happen again (if ever). There's a reason why it hasn't happened before in the league despite there being many multi-generational NBA families and why it hasn't happened in most sports. Scott Brooks had a quote in an article that came out today where he said he has been around the game for 38 years and never expected to see this. You may have some issue with Bronny the prospect, but this is why people are impressed by it. Call it a publicity stunt because it's an easy statement to make before we know for sure whether Bronny can hold his own on a NBA court (which is probably 2 years away). But we're talking about an extremely small number of cases where this was even possible and the first time in a league that has been around for nearly 8 decades that it has ever happened. Sorry that some feel that is worth acknowledging. You might say it is as much an accomplishment for Lebron as it is for Bronny.


Atticus you make a very interesting and compelling case. Thank you, you put some research into that and made it an interesting read. It could be a once in a lifetime occurrence seeing father and son on the same NBA team. And having him on the roster early season, all by itself, isn't a huge deal.

I have a problem with the 4 year contract, but Dad's discount this season and next partially offsets it. I dislike the JHS contract even more fwiw. This event would have happened even if Bronny had one year guaranteed at rookie minimum, or was called up from a 2 way. If the discount LeBron gave was dollar for dollar, then a 2 year to match LeBron's remaining tenure here would have made sense, not a 4 year.

I'm not going to want to see many encores if the Lakers go minus 5 in 3 minutes every time he sets foot on the floor to get some high 5 moment. If that starts happening I'll be rooting for any shot he takes to go in so it's done. Then time for G league. In spite of my lack of enthusiasm I understand the one of a kind interest many have in seeing a father son tandem though.
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It's a lot of outlier events coalescing, Steve. That's all. No one is saying Bron/Bronny is the same as the Griffeys. It's just the first time it has happened in this sport. You can frame it as contrived, but Bronny isn't even the worst prospect on this team. And unless Jayson Tatum is playing until 2037, it is unlikely we see another situation where a guy is still playing in the league when his kid is 19 (whether or not the kid is "good enough" to make the league).


yes he is. By a long shot.


JHS would like a word.


JHS was 10 times the player Bronny was in college, actually understands the pick and role and has played better at higher levels than Bronny ever has, and he tore up the G-League in his rookie season in ways Bronny isn't going to till about year 3 if we're lucky. Bronny is not a better player than JHS.
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I'm not even really trying to make a case for anything. I think the only other player in NBA history who has retired with a kid who was adult age was Udonis Haslem (who had a kid at 18), and I think his son played football. There seems to be a population of folks who think Lebron did something here that others have refrained from. It has just literally never happened, and it probably won't happen again because of biology and math. The league has existed for 77 years, so I think it is fair to say this is historic.

But that's fine, it's over now, and regular planned programming can continue. I don't understand why so many feel the need to make it this wildly negative thing or like it took some big conspiracy for this to happen. The same scouts who Bron apparently paid to boost Bronny don't seem to be there for Bryce, who is ranked notably lower than Bronny was as a prospect. But it doesn't fit the narrative so it is glossed over.

Totally reasonable to have the take that a 4-yr contract was not appropriate given Bronny was ranked as a fringe draft pick. I will flag since this keeps coming up, it is a 3-yr guarantee, which seems to align with Lebron's recent statement that he may play 2 more years after this one.

So far nothing has happened to suggest they won't handle this in any way other than what they've been saying since June. They got the moment, they created history for the league, and the intent has always been that Bronny would spend most of his time with the G-League team. Until that changes and Bronny is taking minutes from Max Christie (which some in this thread are convinced will happen), it is a lot of hate coming from an irrational place.
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It's a lot of outlier events coalescing, Steve. That's all. No one is saying Bron/Bronny is the same as the Griffeys. It's just the first time it has happened in this sport. You can frame it as contrived, but Bronny isn't even the worst prospect on this team. And unless Jayson Tatum is playing until 2037, it is unlikely we see another situation where a guy is still playing in the league when his kid is 19 (whether or not the kid is "good enough" to make the league).


yes he is. By a long shot.


JHS would like a word.


JHS was 10 times the player Bronny was in college, actually understands the pick and role and has played better at higher levels than Bronny ever has, and he tore up the G-League in his rookie season in ways Bronny isn't going to till about year 3 if we're lucky. Bronny is not a better player than JHS.


He might be a better prospect. You clipped the rest of my post where I was just saying "by a long shot" is a stretch. Fair for you to disagree with my opinion, but I don't think it's a unique take to say that JHS doesn't look like an NBA player. Pete Zayas said the same on his preseason podcast a few days ago. In JHS' first preseason run of 4 games he scored 14 points (total). He shot 18%. After all that stuff you noted above it didn't really get better the second time around. He still might be a better prospect, but I wish he had shown any signs of life against NBA players this preseason. I know it doesn't help the "Bronny is so far removed from the realm of being a real NBA prospect" narrative to point out that we may already have a prospect who is pushing him on that front, but I don't think that is a unique take.
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Atticus wrote:
To be clear, I think the "impressive" part here is more the numbers and unlikelihood that this would ever happen again. Overall average retirement age in the NBA is late 20s, but average age for stars to retire is 34-37. There have been something like 30 players in NBA history to play at age 40+. It's an anomaly that someone would have a kid young enough such that the kid was even draft eligible while the player was still in the NBA. It hasn't happened. Vince Carter retired at age 43. His oldest kid (who incidentally is a girl) was 15 at that time. David Stockton's dad played until he was 41, when David was 12. Ryan Mutombo was 7 when his father retired at age 42. Michael Jordan's oldest son was 15 when MJ retired (for the third time) at age 40. I think you're getting the point. The reason this situation is interesting is not because there's never been another player or coach with a kid good enough to make the league. It's interesting because it is layering levels and levels of anomalies. Hard to pinpoint the exact numbers, but the NBA has seen something like 4500-5000 players play at least one game. Of those, a very small fraction played long enough to have kids that were adults before the player retired (as mentioned, only something like 30 players in league history made it to age 40). And add to that the fact that Lebron is not just appearing on a roster like Udonis Haslem, but is still one of the top players in the NBA while his son is an adult. Jayson Tatum is a famous young NBA father. This would be like if Tatum played another 13 (!) years, on top of the 7 he has already played to the point where Deuce was draft eligible. That would mean Tatum was still playing in 2037. So while a father coaching his son is neat, what we're seeing here is very unlikely to happen again (if ever). There's a reason why it hasn't happened before in the league despite there being many multi-generational NBA families and why it hasn't happened in most sports. Scott Brooks had a quote in an article that came out today where he said he has been around the game for 38 years and never expected to see this. You may have some issue with Bronny the prospect, but this is why people are impressed by it. Call it a publicity stunt because it's an easy statement to make before we know for sure whether Bronny can hold his own on a NBA court (which is probably 2 years away). But we're talking about an extremely small number of cases where this was even possible and the first time in a league that has been around for nearly 8 decades that it has ever happened. Sorry that some feel that is worth acknowledging. You might say it is as much an accomplishment for Lebron as it is for Bronny.


Competely agree, thank you for this post!
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this is a hot take and I know people will hate it, but man if I'm LeBron doing this for a 22nd straight year and I'm not a championship frontrunner... am I considering hanging them up? Yea. I think he was serious after the 2023 WCF. I think playing with Bronny has likely lit that flame in him again.

As a Lakers fan I think we are better off with LeBron than without (which is a hot take on LG but whatever), and so I think burning the 55th pick and even a roster pick on Bronny is honestly well worth it. If Lewis were equally as useless as he is now, but, say, motivated AD (kinda silly conceit since AD is plenty motivated but whatever) to keep playing, then that'd be worth the roster slot too
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taking bets for whether Lebronny plays tonight...

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Fair enough, but a couple things here. If we are to believe what they’re saying, Bronny will spend most of the season away from the team. Will that still be galvanizing for LeBron? Secondly, if they had to have Bronny, it’s really inexcusable to me they didn’t do anything to clear out the roster junk we have just taking up space. I don’t understand why they’re so comfortable rostering all these guys who cant play.
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he has to.
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this is a hot take and I know people will hate it, but man if I'm LeBron doing this for a 22nd straight year and I'm not a championship frontrunner... am I considering hanging them up? Yea. I think he was serious after the 2023 WCF. I think playing with Bronny has likely lit that flame in him again.

As a Lakers fan I think we are better off with LeBron than without (which is a hot take on LG but whatever), and so I think burning the 55th pick and even a roster pick on Bronny is honestly well worth it. If Lewis were equally as useless as he is now, but, say, motivated AD (kinda silly conceit since AD is plenty motivated but whatever) to keep playing, then that'd be worth the roster slot too

its not about picking bronny - even though he has no business being on a big team vs G League. With money comes the expectations. he is the highest-paid 55th pick without showing anything resembling an NBA-caliber player.
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Fair enough, but a couple things here. If we are to believe what they’re saying, Bronny will spend most of the season away from the team. Will that still be galvanizing for LeBron? Secondly, if they had to have Bronny, it’s really inexcusable to me they didn’t do anything to clear out the roster junk we have just taking up space. I don’t understand why they’re so comfortable rostering all these guys who cant play.

You can make arguments for all four roster junk (if you include Wood I guess) besides Reddish. So then the next question is you're burning a 2nd (at least) to dump Reddish... for what? Did the Lakers miss out Dinwiddie or Jones or GTJ or Prince because they refused to trade Reddish, or were they looking at the Lakers' depth chart and realizing there weren't many minutes for them? I suspect it's that.

I imagine the Lakers were hoping to do some kind of consolidation trade that would also open up minutes, but it never happened likely because the Nets/ Blazers wanted too many picks for their guys. So those FAs went to greener pastures.

Good question on the Bronny being away btw, I honestly don't know what effect it'll have on LeBron on Game 40. Maybe Bronny's mini-victories in the season (assuming he has any lol) will have some kind of positive effect on him. Maybe not, I don't really know the guy's psychology besides that he seems to be a family man
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he has to.


Lol why? To handicap the team?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2024 9:33 am    Post subject:

The Lakers have to play Bronny some sparse minutes for the entertainment factor. We all know this is not a championship caliber team, but it can be an entertaining one. Like it or not, sports is entertainment.
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defense wrote:
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he has to.


Lol why? To handicap the team?



The Lebron dish to Bronny bucket hasnt happened yet.
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