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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2024 4:01 pm    Post subject:

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Hope he heals. This will allow him to lay low. He doesn't deserve the entire media conglomerate hyping him up like he's the next Bron. It's so unfair to him.

I have found the media to be actually very kind to him ....almost understanding that he's Lebron's son and the spotlight is on him and no way is he any more than a role player. So they're actually doing him right so far from what I've seen.

Hate is coming more from fans ....


Really? They were sending notifications when he scored a layup or stole the ball. It's bonkers.
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Bronny is out of the next Summer League game with KNEE SWELLING.

Let's hope this does not delay hanging his jersey in the rafters and his election into the HOF after his first NBA or G-League season.

#BronnyGOAT





Absolutely a waste of a roster spot.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2024 6:26 pm    Post subject:

Apparently, Bronny had knee surgery in HS in 2021. I don't know if it's the same knee.
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Apparently, Bronny had knee surgery in HS in 2021. I don't know if it's the same knee.


Looks like it was a torn meniscus, but I don’t see any reports on which knee it was. Father Time might take out Bronny before LeBron.
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I just noticed this post game Bon mot

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Coach Dane Johnson after the game, re: Bronny: "Taking it day-by-day, just being precautionary about it. The plan is for him to play (Wednesday)."

https://x.com/lakersreporter/status/1810109731882811692?s=46&t=6-sxM4NpvzeWdNMn3aVCqg

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Hilarious.

Shot 36/27/68 as a 6’1 guard at USC.
4.8 PPG
19 mpg


I think it’s amazing that he doesn’t even need to have a decent season as a starter there before a team drafts him. How long would it take for him to dominate college? Would he have dominated his sophomore year? I seriously doubt it? Would he dominate junior or senior year if he stayed. I don’t know. If you can’t dominate college then how can you succeed in the NBA?

I’m not totally against the pick though. 2nd round picks are often talented projects that you hope can develop into helpful players.


Zach Lavine UCLA stats:

PPG - 9

RPG - 2.5

AST - 1.8

FG% - 44.1

FG3% - 37.5

FT% - 69.1

Zach Lavine told people who didn't understand that they didn't watch him in high school.

He was drafted 13 overall.

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/unhappy-with-his-role-at-ucla--freshman-zach-lavine-leaves-for-the-nba-173512111.html


Bronny will be fine.


LOL

Those stats aren't even close to those of Bronny.

Lavine was an explosive 6-5" shooting guard, who in a disgruntled freshman season still managed pretty good shooting splits.


The post was in response to this:

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I think it’s amazing that he doesn’t even need to have a decent season


Which means there are other circumstances that go into drafting a player besides stats.

He had a heart issue, and was on a minutes restriction so it would be better to look at the type of player he was in high school which was a 3 and D combo guard with high IQ.


Bronny's situation is unique, and I'm excited to see him do well.

Anyone complaining about a 55th second round pick is complaining without a valid reason unless you don't like LeBron.


Struggling in college is a valid reason though. How many other guys get drafted that struggled as much in college as he did? Who looks at struggling bench players on struggling college teams and gets excited about their potential in the NBA?

If you want to blame the heart issue, I think that’s a reason why he needed at least another year of college.

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Which means there are other circumstances that go into drafting a player besides stats.


Well yeah, his father is Lebron James. And Lebron signed an extension. So drafting Bronny arguably isn’t a bad move.

But if you seriously think that if his dad was someone else, that Bronny would get drafted because the Lakers are excited about him and his talent, then wow.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2024 5:29 am    Post subject:

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Apparently, Bronny had knee surgery in HS in 2021. I don't know if it's the same knee.


Huh, that probably factored into his decision to turn pro.
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Steve007 wrote:
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Apparently, Bronny had knee surgery in HS in 2021. I don't know if it's the same knee.


Huh, that probably factored into his decision to turn pro.


Look like same left knee… Wearing a brace here on his left knee.

https://sports.yahoo.com/bronny-james-sierra-canyon-season-debut-spoiled-in-front-of-le-bron-drake-055844618.html
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ESPN still talking about Bronny lol


Just wait for all the stories:

First time a father and son score in a game.
First time a father and son dunk in a game.
First time a father and son hit a three.
First time a father and son...


Hopefully next year it will be

First time a father and son in the playoffs.
First time a father and son in the fnals.
First time a father and son are champions.


More like first time father and son miss the playoffs.
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Bronny is out of the next Summer League game with KNEE SWELLING.

Let's hope this does not delay hanging his jersey in the rafters and his election into the HOF after his first NBA or G-League season.

#BronnyGOAT





Absolutely a waste of a roster spot.


Four more years.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 7:00 am    Post subject:

bronny needs to spend 12 hours a day on an inversion table
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 7:17 am    Post subject:

i can totally see LeBron, i meant JJ plays Bronny 40 mins a night and he'll be averaging 15pt per game on 25 shot attempts. then the narrative will be, the 1st father son combo to score double figures in a NBA game.
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i can totally see LeBron, i meant JJ plays Bronny 40 mins a night and he'll be averaging 15pt per game on 25 shot attempts. then the narrative will be, the 1st father son combo to score double figures in a NBA game.


You could give Bronny 100 attempts per game and he wouldn’t average 15 points.
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Struggling in college is a valid reason though. How many other guys get drafted that struggled as much in college as he did? Who looks at struggling bench players on struggling college teams and gets excited about their potential in the NBA?

If you want to blame the heart issue, I think that’s a reason why he needed at least another year of college.

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Which means there are other circumstances that go into drafting a player besides stats.


Well yeah, his father is Lebron James. And Lebron signed an extension. So drafting Bronny arguably isn’t a bad move.

But if you seriously think that if his dad was someone else, that Bronny would get drafted because the Lakers are excited about him and his talent, then wow.


Peyton Watson in 32 games (all off the bench) as a freshman at UCLA averaged 13mpg, 3ppg, 3rpg, 1apg on 32% shooting and 69% from the line. OKC took him in the first round in 2022 (#30).

Chris Livingston in 22mpg in his sole season at Kentucky averaged 6ppg and 5rpg and was drafted at the end of the second round.

AJ Johnson committed and then decommitted to Texas before he decided to go to Australia, where he averaged 3ppg and 1rpg in 8mpg in 26 games. He's 6'4 and weighs 167 pounds. The Bucks took him at #23 in this year's draft.

Common theme with a lot of these guys is they were highly regarded high school recruits with solid measurables who had underwhelming post-high school seasons for a variety of reasons. Bronny was was ranked as the #20 prospect in his high school class by ESPN (higher in other rankings, e.g. #17 by RSCI, and top 30 by 247Sports and others), was a consensus four-star recruit and was a McDonald's All-American. He struggled because he had to get open heart surgery and recover from that before jumping into his freshman year (on a very poor team). Prior to the heart attack, Jonathan Givony had Bronny ranked as a definite first round pick with lottery potential. At the combine Bronny measured a +6" wingspan and one of the highest verticals, along with other impressive athletic tests. He also shot very well in the drills.

The notion that the FO did something unusual here is just disingenuous. Who knows if Bronny will pan out or not, but we took him #55 out of 58 picks. We didn't take him in the first round or the lottery, and that's what many are equating this to for some reason. Here is a list of the picks from 2020 - https://www.nba.com/news/2020-nba-draft-results-picks-1-60 - most of the guys taken in the second round are already out of the league. This idea that everyone taken in the second round, let alone that late in the second round, are already proven prospects, is not realistic.
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Struggling in college is a valid reason though. How many other guys get drafted that struggled as much in college as he did? Who looks at struggling bench players on struggling college teams and gets excited about their potential in the NBA?

If you want to blame the heart issue, I think that’s a reason why he needed at least another year of college.

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Which means there are other circumstances that go into drafting a player besides stats.


Well yeah, his father is Lebron James. And Lebron signed an extension. So drafting Bronny arguably isn’t a bad move.

But if you seriously think that if his dad was someone else, that Bronny would get drafted because the Lakers are excited about him and his talent, then wow.


Peyton Watson in 32 games (all off the bench) as a freshman at UCLA averaged 13mpg, 3ppg, 3rpg, 1apg on 32% shooting and 69% from the line. OKC took him in the first round in 2022 (#30).

Chris Livingston in 22mpg in his sole season at Kentucky averaged 6ppg and 5rpg and was drafted at the end of the second round.

AJ Johnson committed and then decommitted to Texas before he decided to go to Australia, where he averaged 3ppg and 1rpg in 8mpg in 26 games. He's 6'4 and weighs 167 pounds. The Bucks took him at #23 in this year's draft.

Common theme with a lot of these guys is they were highly regarded high school recruits with solid measurables who had underwhelming post-high school seasons for a variety of reasons. Bronny was was ranked as the #20 prospect in his high school class by ESPN (higher in other rankings, e.g. #17 by RSCI, and top 30 by 247Sports and others), was a consensus four-star recruit and was a McDonald's All-American. He struggled because he had to get open heart surgery and recover from that before jumping into his freshman year (on a very poor team). Prior to the heart attack, Jonathan Givony had Bronny ranked as a definite first round pick with lottery potential. At the combine Bronny measured a +6" wingspan and one of the highest verticals, along with other impressive athletic tests. He also shot very well in the drills.

The notion that the FO did something unusual here is just disingenuous. Who knows if Bronny will pan out or not, but we took him #55 out of 58 picks. We didn't take him in the first round or the lottery, and that's what many are equating this to for some reason. Here is a list of the picks from 2020 - https://www.nba.com/news/2020-nba-draft-results-picks-1-60 - most of the guys taken in the second round are already out of the league. This idea that everyone taken in the second round, let alone that late in the second round, are already proven prospects, is not realistic.

Peyton Watson info: He wasn't offensively ready, he played directly behind Jaime Jaquez, who had a very good year on a championship contending team, and his coach consistently pulled him because he was turnover prone, and not offensively developed. He actually was drafted by the Nuggets, whose record prevented them from drafting a higher talent. Watson was a good pick and has had professional moments where he shined defensively. His shot is beginning to improve, but to watch him, and Jr in college, there was no comparison. Nobody complained about Watson, a backup to a top player, on a top team, being drafted #30. Everyone in their right mind would have questioned the logic of drafting a backup, on a poor team, anywhere near #30.

There's literally no legitimate comparison.
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Struggling in college is a valid reason though. How many other guys get drafted that struggled as much in college as he did? Who looks at struggling bench players on struggling college teams and gets excited about their potential in the NBA?

If you want to blame the heart issue, I think that’s a reason why he needed at least another year of college.

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Which means there are other circumstances that go into drafting a player besides stats.


Well yeah, his father is Lebron James. And Lebron signed an extension. So drafting Bronny arguably isn’t a bad move.

But if you seriously think that if his dad was someone else, that Bronny would get drafted because the Lakers are excited about him and his talent, then wow.


Peyton Watson in 32 games (all off the bench) as a freshman at UCLA averaged 13mpg, 3ppg, 3rpg, 1apg on 32% shooting and 69% from the line. OKC took him in the first round in 2022 (#30).

Chris Livingston in 22mpg in his sole season at Kentucky averaged 6ppg and 5rpg and was drafted at the end of the second round.

AJ Johnson committed and then decommitted to Texas before he decided to go to Australia, where he averaged 3ppg and 1rpg in 8mpg in 26 games. He's 6'4 and weighs 167 pounds. The Bucks took him at #23 in this year's draft.

Common theme with a lot of these guys is they were highly regarded high school recruits with solid measurables who had underwhelming post-high school seasons for a variety of reasons. Bronny was was ranked as the #20 prospect in his high school class by ESPN (higher in other rankings, e.g. #17 by RSCI, and top 30 by 247Sports and others), was a consensus four-star recruit and was a McDonald's All-American. He struggled because he had to get open heart surgery and recover from that before jumping into his freshman year (on a very poor team). Prior to the heart attack, Jonathan Givony had Bronny ranked as a definite first round pick with lottery potential. At the combine Bronny measured a +6" wingspan and one of the highest verticals, along with other impressive athletic tests. He also shot very well in the drills.

The notion that the FO did something unusual here is just disingenuous. Who knows if Bronny will pan out or not, but we took him #55 out of 58 picks. We didn't take him in the first round or the lottery, and that's what many are equating this to for some reason. Here is a list of the picks from 2020 - https://www.nba.com/news/2020-nba-draft-results-picks-1-60 - most of the guys taken in the second round are already out of the league. This idea that everyone taken in the second round, let alone that late in the second round, are already proven prospects, is not realistic.

Peyton Watson info: He wasn't offensively ready, he played directly behind Jaime Jaquez, who had a very good year on a championship contending team, and his coach consistently pulled him because he was turnover prone, and not offensively developed. He actually was drafted by the Nuggets, whose record prevented them from drafting a higher talent. Watson was a good pick and has had professional moments where he shined defensively. His shot is beginning to improve, but to watch him, and Jr in college, there was no comparison. Nobody complained about Watson, a backup to a top player, on a top team, being drafted #30. Everyone in their right mind would have questioned the logic of drafting a backup, on a poor team, anywhere near #30.

There's literally no legitimate comparison.


Yea, there is a legitimate comparison but you missed the point, and actually re-enforced the concept that drafting Bonny may not be a bad thing despite his stats.

The point is that:

There are many examples of players…as Bronny was…that may be drafted regardless of poor pre-draft stats/performances if there are mitigating factors that can account for it and if there are indications that the player has the potential to develop into something better than the stats/performances indicate.

If the mitigating factors and/or indications of potential are substantial, then that player with poor stats/performances could perhaps even be drafted in the first round. The less impactful the mitigating factors and/or indications of potential are then the lower the player is drafted. Bronny doesn’t appear to have the talent or mitigating factors and/or indications of potential that you mentioned for Peyton Watson so Bronny was drafted 25 spots behind him at 55th in the 2ndRd vs 30th in the 1st.

The info wasn’t to compare the two players as you thought it was, the info was to show that things could be in play that causes players to be drafted despite their stats/performances. Bronny’s heart condition, his potential identified before that as an all American, his work ethic, athleticism, character, and yes his dad with his dad’s possible influence on the success chances with encouragement/tutelage/mentoring/guidance/etc, are mitigating factors. Non of those were substantial enough to overcome Bronny’s short comings to get him drafted in the 1stRd, or even in the range of the 2ndRd where more players make it. But those factors were substantial enough to take a risk in Bronny as almost the last player chosen in the entire draft.

I echo what the prior post said:

“The notion that the FO did something unusual here is just disingenuous.”
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Struggling in college is a valid reason though. How many other guys get drafted that struggled as much in college as he did? Who looks at struggling bench players on struggling college teams and gets excited about their potential in the NBA?

If you want to blame the heart issue, I think that’s a reason why he needed at least another year of college.

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Which means there are other circumstances that go into drafting a player besides stats.


Well yeah, his father is Lebron James. And Lebron signed an extension. So drafting Bronny arguably isn’t a bad move.

But if you seriously think that if his dad was someone else, that Bronny would get drafted because the Lakers are excited about him and his talent, then wow.


Peyton Watson in 32 games (all off the bench) as a freshman at UCLA averaged 13mpg, 3ppg, 3rpg, 1apg on 32% shooting and 69% from the line. OKC took him in the first round in 2022 (#30).

Chris Livingston in 22mpg in his sole season at Kentucky averaged 6ppg and 5rpg and was drafted at the end of the second round.

AJ Johnson committed and then decommitted to Texas before he decided to go to Australia, where he averaged 3ppg and 1rpg in 8mpg in 26 games. He's 6'4 and weighs 167 pounds. The Bucks took him at #23 in this year's draft.

Common theme with a lot of these guys is they were highly regarded high school recruits with solid measurables who had underwhelming post-high school seasons for a variety of reasons. Bronny was was ranked as the #20 prospect in his high school class by ESPN (higher in other rankings, e.g. #17 by RSCI, and top 30 by 247Sports and others), was a consensus four-star recruit and was a McDonald's All-American. He struggled because he had to get open heart surgery and recover from that before jumping into his freshman year (on a very poor team). Prior to the heart attack, Jonathan Givony had Bronny ranked as a definite first round pick with lottery potential. At the combine Bronny measured a +6" wingspan and one of the highest verticals, along with other impressive athletic tests. He also shot very well in the drills.

The notion that the FO did something unusual here is just disingenuous. Who knows if Bronny will pan out or not, but we took him #55 out of 58 picks. We didn't take him in the first round or the lottery, and that's what many are equating this to for some reason. Here is a list of the picks from 2020 - https://www.nba.com/news/2020-nba-draft-results-picks-1-60 - most of the guys taken in the second round are already out of the league. This idea that everyone taken in the second round, let alone that late in the second round, are already proven prospects, is not realistic.

Peyton Watson info: He wasn't offensively ready, he played directly behind Jaime Jaquez, who had a very good year on a championship contending team, and his coach consistently pulled him because he was turnover prone, and not offensively developed. He actually was drafted by the Nuggets, whose record prevented them from drafting a higher talent. Watson was a good pick and has had professional moments where he shined defensively. His shot is beginning to improve, but to watch him, and Jr in college, there was no comparison. Nobody complained about Watson, a backup to a top player, on a top team, being drafted #30. Everyone in their right mind would have questioned the logic of drafting a backup, on a poor team, anywhere near #30.

There's literally no legitimate comparison.


55 is nowhere near 30. Again, we used the fourth to last pick of the draft on what we apparently view as an athletic upside play. This has happened before. Everyone acknowledges it's more potential than product at this point. JJ Reddick literally referred to Bronny as case study #1 for his development project.
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AJ Johnson played like 6 mins a game off the bench to prevent injury in a pro league against grown men. Bronny played 20 mpg off the bench and his numbers were comparable. That isn't the flex people think it is when they try to downplay AJ.
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Atticus wrote:
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Struggling in college is a valid reason though. How many other guys get drafted that struggled as much in college as he did? Who looks at struggling bench players on struggling college teams and gets excited about their potential in the NBA?

If you want to blame the heart issue, I think that’s a reason why he needed at least another year of college.

Quote:
Which means there are other circumstances that go into drafting a player besides stats.


Well yeah, his father is Lebron James. And Lebron signed an extension. So drafting Bronny arguably isn’t a bad move.

But if you seriously think that if his dad was someone else, that Bronny would get drafted because the Lakers are excited about him and his talent, then wow.


Peyton Watson in 32 games (all off the bench) as a freshman at UCLA averaged 13mpg, 3ppg, 3rpg, 1apg on 32% shooting and 69% from the line. OKC took him in the first round in 2022 (#30).

Chris Livingston in 22mpg in his sole season at Kentucky averaged 6ppg and 5rpg and was drafted at the end of the second round.

AJ Johnson committed and then decommitted to Texas before he decided to go to Australia, where he averaged 3ppg and 1rpg in 8mpg in 26 games. He's 6'4 and weighs 167 pounds. The Bucks took him at #23 in this year's draft.

Common theme with a lot of these guys is they were highly regarded high school recruits with solid measurables who had underwhelming post-high school seasons for a variety of reasons. Bronny was was ranked as the #20 prospect in his high school class by ESPN (higher in other rankings, e.g. #17 by RSCI, and top 30 by 247Sports and others), was a consensus four-star recruit and was a McDonald's All-American. He struggled because he had to get open heart surgery and recover from that before jumping into his freshman year (on a very poor team). Prior to the heart attack, Jonathan Givony had Bronny ranked as a definite first round pick with lottery potential. At the combine Bronny measured a +6" wingspan and one of the highest verticals, along with other impressive athletic tests. He also shot very well in the drills.

The notion that the FO did something unusual here is just disingenuous. Who knows if Bronny will pan out or not, but we took him #55 out of 58 picks. We didn't take him in the first round or the lottery, and that's what many are equating this to for some reason. Here is a list of the picks from 2020 - https://www.nba.com/news/2020-nba-draft-results-picks-1-60 - most of the guys taken in the second round are already out of the league. This idea that everyone taken in the second round, let alone that late in the second round, are already proven prospects, is not realistic.

Peyton Watson info: He wasn't offensively ready, he played directly behind Jaime Jaquez, who had a very good year on a championship contending team, and his coach consistently pulled him because he was turnover prone, and not offensively developed. He actually was drafted by the Nuggets, whose record prevented them from drafting a higher talent. Watson was a good pick and has had professional moments where he shined defensively. His shot is beginning to improve, but to watch him, and Jr in college, there was no comparison. Nobody complained about Watson, a backup to a top player, on a top team, being drafted #30. Everyone in their right mind would have questioned the logic of drafting a backup, on a poor team, anywhere near #30.

There's literally no legitimate comparison.


55 is nowhere near 30. Again, we used the fourth to last pick of the draft on what we apparently view as an athletic upside play. This has happened before. Everyone acknowledges it's more potential than product at this point. JJ Reddick literally referred to Bronny as case study #1 for his development project.

I don't even understand the comparison man. One has the perfect size and athleticism, some of which were off the charts, to play both SG and SF.

The other is 6'1", with nice athleticism... but whose size only allows for one position: PG. But he doesn't have a PG skillset.

As Jerry West always used to say: "Before you consider drafting somebody, they need to look like a basketball player." What he meant by that is that a prospect needs NBA size, athleticism and some fundamentals.

Iverson is an exception of course. But he was all world in college, plays PG... and he's only 1 inch shorter than Bronny.

My point is that the ONLY reason Bronny even got a single look in the NBA is his father. Let's be real. And to get even more real... the odds of him becoming a productive NBA player are very very slim.

This is nepotism pure and simple. Which is fine frankly... i think Lebron took a paycut in part because the Lakers drafted Bronny and gave him a 4 year contract. So drafting and signing Bronny for 4 years is a small cost if LBJ stays on for a couple more years.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 7:57 pm    Post subject:

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Struggling in college is a valid reason though. How many other guys get drafted that struggled as much in college as he did? Who looks at struggling bench players on struggling college teams and gets excited about their potential in the NBA?

If you want to blame the heart issue, I think that’s a reason why he needed at least another year of college.

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Well yeah, his father is Lebron James. And Lebron signed an extension. So drafting Bronny arguably isn’t a bad move.

But if you seriously think that if his dad was someone else, that Bronny would get drafted because the Lakers are excited about him and his talent, then wow.


Peyton Watson in 32 games (all off the bench) as a freshman at UCLA averaged 13mpg, 3ppg, 3rpg, 1apg on 32% shooting and 69% from the line. OKC took him in the first round in 2022 (#30).

Chris Livingston in 22mpg in his sole season at Kentucky averaged 6ppg and 5rpg and was drafted at the end of the second round.

AJ Johnson committed and then decommitted to Texas before he decided to go to Australia, where he averaged 3ppg and 1rpg in 8mpg in 26 games. He's 6'4 and weighs 167 pounds. The Bucks took him at #23 in this year's draft.

Common theme with a lot of these guys is they were highly regarded high school recruits with solid measurables who had underwhelming post-high school seasons for a variety of reasons. Bronny was was ranked as the #20 prospect in his high school class by ESPN (higher in other rankings, e.g. #17 by RSCI, and top 30 by 247Sports and others), was a consensus four-star recruit and was a McDonald's All-American. He struggled because he had to get open heart surgery and recover from that before jumping into his freshman year (on a very poor team). Prior to the heart attack, Jonathan Givony had Bronny ranked as a definite first round pick with lottery potential. At the combine Bronny measured a +6" wingspan and one of the highest verticals, along with other impressive athletic tests. He also shot very well in the drills.

The notion that the FO did something unusual here is just disingenuous. Who knows if Bronny will pan out or not, but we took him #55 out of 58 picks. We didn't take him in the first round or the lottery, and that's what many are equating this to for some reason. Here is a list of the picks from 2020 - https://www.nba.com/news/2020-nba-draft-results-picks-1-60 - most of the guys taken in the second round are already out of the league. This idea that everyone taken in the second round, let alone that late in the second round, are already proven prospects, is not realistic.

Peyton Watson info: He wasn't offensively ready, he played directly behind Jaime Jaquez, who had a very good year on a championship contending team, and his coach consistently pulled him because he was turnover prone, and not offensively developed. He actually was drafted by the Nuggets, whose record prevented them from drafting a higher talent. Watson was a good pick and has had professional moments where he shined defensively. His shot is beginning to improve, but to watch him, and Jr in college, there was no comparison. Nobody complained about Watson, a backup to a top player, on a top team, being drafted #30. Everyone in their right mind would have questioned the logic of drafting a backup, on a poor team, anywhere near #30.

There's literally no legitimate comparison.


55 is nowhere near 30. Again, we used the fourth to last pick of the draft on what we apparently view as an athletic upside play. This has happened before. Everyone acknowledges it's more potential than product at this point. JJ Reddick literally referred to Bronny as case study #1 for his development project.

I don't even understand the comparison man. One has the perfect size and athleticism, some of which were off the charts, to play both SG and SF.

The other is 6'1", with nice athleticism... but whose size only allows for one position: PG. But he doesn't have a PG skillset.

As Jerry West always used to say: "Before you consider drafting somebody, they need to look like a basketball player." What he meant by that is that a prospect needs NBA size, athleticism and some fundamentals.

Iverson is an exception of course. But he was all world in college, plays PG... and he's only 1 inch shorter than Bronny.

My point is that the ONLY reason Bronny even got a single look in the NBA is his father. Let's be real. And to get even more real... the odds of him becoming a productive NBA player are very very slim.

This is nepotism pure and simple. Which is fine frankly... i think Lebron took a paycut in part because the Lakers drafted Bronny and gave him a 4 year contract. So drafting and signing Bronny for 4 years is a small cost if LBJ stays on for a couple more years.



It's the 55'th pick like who cares right? But yeah, the ONLY reason this kid was in this draft is because of his dad. A 6'1" SG in the NBA would have to be pretty special. And handing him a 3-4 year contract, in any other case, ridiculous.

Justify away.
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It’s not about the 55th pick. It has everything to do with a wasted roster spot, and 7M guaranteed contract and 3 years of commitment that bothers me. I know it’s Jeannie’s money and she can do as she pleases, but Bronny does NOT assemble a NBA level player, not even a little bit. So the narrative about him is he’s a hard worker with good bball IQ, this is like telling an ugly person he or she has good personality.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 8:29 pm    Post subject:

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It’s not about the 55th pick. It has everything to do with a wasted roster spot, and 7M guaranteed contract and 3 years of commitment that bothers me. I know it’s Jeannie’s money and she can do as she pleases, but Bronny does NOT assemble a NBA level player, not even a little bit. So the narrative about him is he’s a hard worker with good bball IQ, this is like telling an ugly person they he or she has good personality.



I’m agreeing with you. Plus Lakers need a C, but wasted a HC on a short sg.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 1:50 am    Post subject:

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Struggling in college is a valid reason though. How many other guys get drafted that struggled as much in college as he did? Who looks at struggling bench players on struggling college teams and gets excited about their potential in the NBA?

If you want to blame the heart issue, I think that’s a reason why he needed at least another year of college.

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Which means there are other circumstances that go into drafting a player besides stats.


Well yeah, his father is Lebron James. And Lebron signed an extension. So drafting Bronny arguably isn’t a bad move.

But if you seriously think that if his dad was someone else, that Bronny would get drafted because the Lakers are excited about him and his talent, then wow.


Peyton Watson in 32 games (all off the bench) as a freshman at UCLA averaged 13mpg, 3ppg, 3rpg, 1apg on 32% shooting and 69% from the line. OKC took him in the first round in 2022 (#30).

Chris Livingston in 22mpg in his sole season at Kentucky averaged 6ppg and 5rpg and was drafted at the end of the second round.

AJ Johnson committed and then decommitted to Texas before he decided to go to Australia, where he averaged 3ppg and 1rpg in 8mpg in 26 games. He's 6'4 and weighs 167 pounds. The Bucks took him at #23 in this year's draft.


Watson and Livingston played at UCLA and Kentucky, two of the top basketball programs that regularly bring in top talent and have very talented players coming off the bench. Those teams won in the NCAA Tournament in the years those guys played there.

USC basketball isn’t on the same level as those programs and it’s not even close (the USC football program is obviously much better). Sure, on rare occasion USC will surprise people and have a serious team. But the team Bronny played for was 15-18. They were very far away from even being a low seed in the tournament. It does seem odd that a bench player on that team gets drafted.

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Common theme with a lot of these guys is they were highly regarded high school recruits with solid measurables who had underwhelming post-high school seasons for a variety of reasons. Bronny was was ranked as the #20 prospect in his high school class by ESPN (higher in other rankings, e.g. #17 by RSCI, and top 30 by 247Sports and others), was a consensus four-star recruit and was a McDonald's All-American.


This is impressive for a college recruit, but for a guy drafted by an NBA team I think it’s underwhelming. Not even a 5 star recruit., not a top 15 recruit, and based on his freshman season shouldn’t he compare even lower with his peers? If he played another season at USC and did a lot better, then he would be a much better prospect.

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Prior to the heart attack, Jonathan Givony had Bronny ranked as a definite first round pick with lottery potential. At the combine Bronny measured a +6" wingspan and one of the highest verticals, along with other impressive athletic tests. He also shot very well in the drills.


That’s just one opinion though. And someone else beat me to it, but his height is a major concern unless he shows he can play PG.

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The notion that the FO did something unusual here is just disingenuous.


You don’t think drafting the son of Lebron James, signing him for a few years after he struggled off the bench in college, and then extending his dad after that isn’t unusual?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 4:29 am    Post subject:

If Bronny cannot play point guard nor shoot threes

Then all Bronny is basically this

Pros:
- Can get to the basket
- Plays passing lanes well
- Naturally Athletically gifted

Cons:
- No Point Guard skills
- Can't shoot
- Can't play man to man defense (gets shot over)
- Gets lost off-ball
- Gambles unnecessarily


Bronny if he's going to be 6'1 in the league is either going to have to become an all NBA level defender or he's going to need to become a 40% three point shooter.

Either way he'd need to develop actual point guard skills. Because he is missing FAR TOO MUCH to be a contributor to anything. Which is why he should have stayed in college.
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