Zach Lowe expects the Lakers to play Bronny James in the first game of the season so that he and LeBron can have a moment together
“He’s 100% playing in the opening game so they can have a moment together,”
The opening night photo op was the only reason to draft him.
we all knew this was the case, so its not a surprise and TBH its most likely not the difference between winning and losing. It does show that jeanie is literally running the Lakers as if they were GLOW.
I disagree with this and think this line of thinking is emblematic of how the FO sees things and why we are in the state we are in. The CBA (and other circumstances) has effectively eliminated all of our advantages aside from geography. The parity the league wanted has been largely achieved. It’s a game of inches now. The teams that win are going to be the teams that win on the margins, reducing if not eliminating unforced errors. In a vacuum signing LeBron’s son to a guaranteed, multi-year contract and committing a roster spot to him so they can have a feel-good photo op might seem harmless. That roster spot would have been extremely useful to our ability to compete this year. The pick itself could have been used to acquire a useful player. Because of dumb stunts like this, moronic POs given out like candy, and our horrific draft record the last few years we are rostering way too many guys who simply can’t play. It not only hurts depth but their claimed roster spots eliminate our ability to improve. This is the difference between winning and losing.
I think we're overindexing on the roster spot and 55th pick here. I don't think we'd really care about this had we made an impactful trade with our picks. Perhaps the team actually anticipated such a many-to-one trade happening, thus freeing up a roster spot. I didn't see any feasibly attainable FA that would've meaningfully impacted our tier in the regular season. Like GTJ? We have enough no-defense guards. Tyus Jones? Really useful if we had sent out DLo, otherwise not a good fit.
I think the biggest problem is we're mid, and we're taking it out on picking Bronny with the 55th pick (honestly who gives a (bleep)?) and giving Cam Reddish the PO. I firmly believe we can dump these guys at any point.
I don't know if its about taking it out on bronny. Is he the best possible option to take up a roster spot + guaranteed money? Lets be real. He sucked. he didn't have any more good flashes than most all of the undrafted guys and I could probably find some with way more. Hes small. His only real attribute MAYBE is that he can play d but even that, how good will it be? I have faith in JJ in that maybe he can build a blueprint for Lebron jr to follow to help him improve. _________________ Kobe.
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Zach Lowe expects the Lakers to play Bronny James in the first game of the season so that he and LeBron can have a moment together
“He’s 100% playing in the opening game so they can have a moment together,”
The opening night photo op was the only reason to draft him.
we all knew this was the case, so its not a surprise and TBH its most likely not the difference between winning and losing. It does show that jeanie is literally running the Lakers as if they were GLOW.
I disagree with this and think this line of thinking is emblematic of how the FO sees things and why we are in the state we are in. The CBA (and other circumstances) has effectively eliminated all of our advantages aside from geography. The parity the league wanted has been largely achieved. It’s a game of inches now. The teams that win are going to be the teams that win on the margins, reducing if not eliminating unforced errors. In a vacuum signing LeBron’s son to a guaranteed, multi-year contract and committing a roster spot to him so they can have a feel-good photo op might seem harmless. That roster spot would have been extremely useful to our ability to compete this year. The pick itself could have been used to acquire a useful player. Because of dumb stunts like this, moronic POs given out like candy, and our horrific draft record the last few years we are rostering way too many guys who simply can’t play. It not only hurts depth but their claimed roster spots eliminate our ability to improve. This is the difference between winning and losing.
I think we're overindexing on the roster spot and 55th pick here. I don't think we'd really care about this had we made an impactful trade with our picks. Perhaps the team actually anticipated such a many-to-one trade happening, thus freeing up a roster spot. I didn't see any feasibly attainable FA that would've meaningfully impacted our tier in the regular season. Like GTJ? We have enough no-defense guards. Tyus Jones? Really useful if we had sent out DLo, otherwise not a good fit.
I think the biggest problem is we're mid, and we're taking it out on picking Bronny with the 55th pick (honestly who gives a (bleep)?) and giving Cam Reddish the PO. I firmly believe we can dump these guys at any point.
I don't know if its about taking it out on bronny. Is he the best possible option to take up a roster spot + guaranteed money? Lets be real. He sucked. he didn't have any more good flashes than most all of the undrafted guys and I could probably find some with way more. Hes small. His only real attribute MAYBE is that he can play d but even that, how good will it be? I have faith in JJ in that maybe he can build a blueprint for Lebron jr to follow to help him improve.
We had TWO fringe project guards on the roster (JHS and Lewis) at the time of Bronny’s selection. We needed another? One who absolutely sucks? That’s 3 roster spots now giving us jack (bleep). Another if you count Max who, thus far, has not looked like a rotation player in the NBA (at least he has the potential to be one.) Good thing we showed Caruso the door so we could bring these studs in.
This is how bad teams stay bad. _________________ 14-5-3-12
I mean, Max Lewis and JHS also suck. We could've have had Podz and TJD, or Jaquez. Bronny at 55th isn't a bad pick. It's the sum total of everything that makes this situation annoying, but it's nothing they can't get out of if they have the conviction and opportunity to actually upgrade.
I mean, Max Lewis and JHS also suck. We could've have had Podz and TJD, or Jaquez. Bronny at 55th isn't a bad pick. It's the sum total of everything that makes this situation annoying, but it's nothing they can't get out of if they have the conviction and opportunity to actually upgrade.
Make the case for Bronny not being a bad pick without using the argument that most players at 55 don’t pan out.
He doesn’t fill a need. He doesn’t have an NBA size profile. He can’t score or play make. He’s not an above average athlete. He takes up a roster spot for multiple years on a team that needs talent. In what universe was this not a bad pick? _________________ 14-5-3-12
I mean, Max Lewis and JHS also suck. We could've have had Podz and TJD, or Jaquez. Bronny at 55th isn't a bad pick. It's the sum total of everything that makes this situation annoying, but it's nothing they can't get out of if they have the conviction and opportunity to actually upgrade.
Make the case for Bronny not being a bad pick without using the argument that most players at 55 don’t pan out.
He doesn’t fill a need. He doesn’t have an NBA size profile. He can’t score or play make. He’s not an above average athlete. He takes up a roster spot for multiple years on a team that needs talent. In what universe was this not a bad pick?
He's the 15th guy on the bench. Which raw 15th guy is expected to get minutes? You're arguing that we didn't need a project, but someone who can contribute at that 15th spot. That indicates that you're 8-13 isn't great. These are independent segments to me. It's like saying, why did you invest 1% of your money into a speculative asset when our bread and butter 35% is underperforming? I could make the same argument against Knecht--why pick him if we need a talent upgrade in the playoffs since he can't guard anyone?
I'm higher on Bronny than most because I see his athletic and defensive potential. I'm higher on him than JHS, which is sad. We'll have to see where he is.
I mean, Max Lewis and JHS also suck. We could've have had Podz and TJD, or Jaquez. Bronny at 55th isn't a bad pick. It's the sum total of everything that makes this situation annoying, but it's nothing they can't get out of if they have the conviction and opportunity to actually upgrade.
Make the case for Bronny not being a bad pick without using the argument that most players at 55 don’t pan out.
He doesn’t fill a need. He doesn’t have an NBA size profile. He can’t score or play make. He’s not an above average athlete. He takes up a roster spot for multiple years on a team that needs talent. In what universe was this not a bad pick?
He's the 15th guy on the bench. Which raw 15th guy is expected to get minutes? You're arguing that we didn't need a project, but someone who can contribute at that 15th spot. That indicates that you're 8-13 isn't great. These are independent segments to me. It's like saying, why did you invest 1% of your money into a speculative asset when our bread and butter 35% is underperforming? I could make the same argument against Knecht--why pick him if we need a talent upgrade in the playoffs since he can't guard anyone?
I'm higher on Bronny than most because I see his athletic and defensive potential. I'm higher on him than JHS, which is sad. We'll have to see where he is.
I mean, Max Lewis and JHS also suck. We could've have had Podz and TJD, or Jaquez. Bronny at 55th isn't a bad pick. It's the sum total of everything that makes this situation annoying, but it's nothing they can't get out of if they have the conviction and opportunity to actually upgrade.
Make the case for Bronny not being a bad pick without using the argument that most players at 55 don’t pan out.
He doesn’t fill a need. He doesn’t have an NBA size profile. He can’t score or play make. He’s not an above average athlete. He takes up a roster spot for multiple years on a team that needs talent. In what universe was this not a bad pick?
He's the 15th guy on the bench. Which raw 15th guy is expected to get minutes? You're arguing that we didn't need a project, but someone who can contribute at that 15th spot. That indicates that you're 8-13 isn't great. These are independent segments to me. It's like saying, why did you invest 1% of your money into a speculative asset when our bread and butter 35% is underperforming? I could make the same argument against Knecht--why pick him if we need a talent upgrade in the playoffs since he can't guard anyone?
I'm higher on Bronny than most because I see his athletic and defensive potential. I'm higher on him than JHS, which is sad. We'll have to see where he is.
I don’t say this to single you out but you made the point for me that there’s no argument to be made that it was a good pick beyond “it’s the 15th spot so it doesn’t matter.” I would argue that you can draw a straight line from that way of thinking to multiple mistakes our FO has made. Approaching roster spots from a strictly PR perspective is bad business. Giving out POs to fringe NBA players is bad business. Letting valuable assets leave for nothing is bad business. Drafting 3 project guards who all stink in 2 years is bad business. Bad business adds up. _________________ 14-5-3-12
I don’t say this to single you out but you made the point for me that there’s no argument to be made that it was a good pick beyond “it’s the 15th spot so it doesn’t matter.” I would argue that you can draw a straight line from that way of thinking to multiple mistakes our FO has made. Approaching roster spots from a strictly PR perspective is bad business. Giving out POs to fringe NBA players is bad business. Letting valuable assets leave for nothing is bad business. Drafting 3 project guards who all stink in 2 years is bad business. Bad business adds up.
I think he's a good pick at #55. You can't really assess a pick unless you consider his position. I'm not saying it doesn't matter and I'm not saying he was picked for the right reasons or that it doesn't indicate more systemic problems with this org. I'm right there with you. But I've learned to assess the actual consequences of the actions rather than the stupid processes they have. They've stumbled ass-backwards into good outcomes before.
I'm also not alone in valuing Bronny. Pete and Darius are both high on him. And his projected position was higher before the cardiac arrest. My best-case outcome for him is a shorter Lonzo, and it'll take a few years. He's clearly inherited his father's physical prowess because he's built like a (bleep) tank at 20 and can leap despite his height. He's got to have some of the spatial awareness and IQ in there. And he's got the benefit of the entire world's basketball resources available to him growing up.
You could do much worse at #55. Let's see if he's a Holiday brother or Antetokounmpo brother.
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I don’t say this to single you out but you made the point for me that there’s no argument to be made that it was a good pick beyond “it’s the 15th spot so it doesn’t matter.” I would argue that you can draw a straight line from that way of thinking to multiple mistakes our FO has made. Approaching roster spots from a strictly PR perspective is bad business. Giving out POs to fringe NBA players is bad business. Letting valuable assets leave for nothing is bad business. Drafting 3 project guards who all stink in 2 years is bad business. Bad business adds up.
I think he's a good pick at #55. You can't really assess a pick unless you consider his position. I'm not saying it doesn't matter and I'm not saying he was picked for the right reasons or that it doesn't indicate more systemic problems with this org. I'm right there with you. But I've learned to assess the actual consequences of the actions rather than the stupid processes they have. They've stumbled ass-backwards into good outcomes before.
I’m glad we agree on the bulk of the argument but even when considering the context of the late pick and the position I still fail to see how it’s a good pick. He has terrible size for the position. No guard skills to speak of. Can’t shoot or score to save his life. Not a good athlete. Players of his athletic profile and skillset simply don’t make it in the NBA. He’s a decent enough defender if your only option is to have a 6’1 guard who kills you on the other end do that for you. There was no path to the NBA for Bronny without his last name. This was bad process like usual but it was also just a bad pick. _________________ 14-5-3-12
My best-case outcome for him is a shorter Lonzo, and it'll take a few years.
I don’t see this comp at all. First of all, if Lonzo was 6’1 he probably wouldn’t be in the league. If Bronny was 6’6 this is an entirely different discussion. Lonzo is also an elite passer who shot 41% from 3 in college. _________________ 14-5-3-12
I don’t say this to single you out but you made the point for me that there’s no argument to be made that it was a good pick beyond “it’s the 15th spot so it doesn’t matter.” I would argue that you can draw a straight line from that way of thinking to multiple mistakes our FO has made. Approaching roster spots from a strictly PR perspective is bad business. Giving out POs to fringe NBA players is bad business. Letting valuable assets leave for nothing is bad business. Drafting 3 project guards who all stink in 2 years is bad business. Bad business adds up.
I think he's a good pick at #55. You can't really assess a pick unless you consider his position. I'm not saying it doesn't matter and I'm not saying he was picked for the right reasons or that it doesn't indicate more systemic problems with this org. I'm right there with you. But I've learned to assess the actual consequences of the actions rather than the stupid processes they have. They've stumbled ass-backwards into good outcomes before.
I’m glad we agree on the bulk of the argument but even when considering the context of the late pick and the position I still fail to see how it’s a good pick. He has terrible size for the position. No guard skills to speak of. Can’t shoot or score to save his life. Not a good athlete. Players of his athletic profile and skillset simply don’t make it in the NBA. He’s a decent enough defender if your only option is to have a 6’1 guard who kills you on the other end do that for you. There was no path to the NBA for Bronny without his last name. This was bad process like usual but it was also just a bad pick.
Here are the guards who are 6 2 and under:
Isaiah Thomas
Jordan McLaughlin
Jose Alvarado
Kyle Lowry
Mike Conley
Darius Garland
Miles McBride
Payton Pritchard
T.J. McConnell
Bones Hyland
Cole Anthony
Damian Lillard
Gabe Vincent
Jalen Brunson
Jalen Pickett
Kyrie Irving
Monte Morris
Patrick Beverley
Patty Mills
Reggie Jackson
Tyrese Maxey
"Terrible size for his position" is pushing it. He can go through half of these guys with the way he's built. Moreover, he's quick and fast as (bleep). That's the one thing that really impressed me at summer league. He can go end-to-end and really cut. He's got the hops to finish.
No, he doesn't have floor management skills, and not enough basketball skills in general. He'll need to be a finisher rather than an initiator, at least to start. He'll need a lot of time. His growth was stunted with the cardiac issues. But I strongly disagree that he's not a positive athlete, that is a seriously strange take to me. He's one of the better athletes on our team.
But I strongly disagree that he's not a positive athlete, that is a seriously strange take to me. He's one of the better athletes on our team.
Aside from the tape I’ve seen I saw him in person at summer league. I wasn’t impressed with his speed or athleticism at all (and SPL is inherently inferior competition). He’s not bad in these areas, but he’s also not special in ways that would offset his small stature.
Looking at the names on your list and you’ve mostly named elite or very serviceable offensive players. Bronny is a zero in this regard. The closest comp he has in the league is Davion Mitchell who is an elite and decorated defensive player (Bronny is not) who isn’t great on O but isn’t a tire fire either. He's a 15mpg player and his minutes have decreased every season he’s been in the league. _________________ 14-5-3-12
I don’t say this to single you out but you made the point for me that there’s no argument to be made that it was a good pick beyond “it’s the 15th spot so it doesn’t matter.” I would argue that you can draw a straight line from that way of thinking to multiple mistakes our FO has made. Approaching roster spots from a strictly PR perspective is bad business. Giving out POs to fringe NBA players is bad business. Letting valuable assets leave for nothing is bad business. Drafting 3 project guards who all stink in 2 years is bad business. Bad business adds up.
I think he's a good pick at #55. You can't really assess a pick unless you consider his position. I'm not saying it doesn't matter and I'm not saying he was picked for the right reasons or that it doesn't indicate more systemic problems with this org. I'm right there with you. But I've learned to assess the actual consequences of the actions rather than the stupid processes they have. They've stumbled ass-backwards into good outcomes before.
I’m glad we agree on the bulk of the argument but even when considering the context of the late pick and the position I still fail to see how it’s a good pick. He has terrible size for the position. No guard skills to speak of. Can’t shoot or score to save his life. Not a good athlete. Players of his athletic profile and skillset simply don’t make it in the NBA. He’s a decent enough defender if your only option is to have a 6’1 guard who kills you on the other end do that for you. There was no path to the NBA for Bronny without his last name. This was bad process like usual but it was also just a bad pick.
Here are the guards who are 6 2 and under:
Isaiah Thomas
Jordan McLaughlin
Jose Alvarado
Kyle Lowry
Mike Conley
Darius Garland
Miles McBride
Payton Pritchard
T.J. McConnell
Bones Hyland
Cole Anthony
Damian Lillard
Gabe Vincent
Jalen Brunson
Jalen Pickett
Kyrie Irving
Monte Morris
Patrick Beverley
Patty Mills
Reggie Jackson
Tyrese Maxey
"Terrible size for his position" is pushing it. He can go through half of these guys with the way he's built. Moreover, he's quick and fast as (bleep). That's the one thing that really impressed me at summer league. He can go end-to-end and really cut. He's got the hops to finish.
No, he doesn't have floor management skills, and not enough basketball skills in general. He'll need to be a finisher rather than an initiator, at least to start. He'll need a lot of time. His growth was stunted with the cardiac issues. But I strongly disagree that he's not a positive athlete, that is a seriously strange take to me. He's one of the better athletes on our team.
I also find the accusation of "...terrible size for the position...", and "Not a good athlete", as strange. Granted, teams like to have "bigger" sizes, relative to each position. But, that doesn't mean that size is the end-all-be-all. Also, Bronny is an excellent athlete, by any measurement. (6'7" wingspan; 40.5 inch max vert jump)
But, to keep this in proper context, Bronny is just 19 years old. Let that sink in... Of course he's a project. Most players picked at that age are not going to be finished products. They're going to be raw clay. But, there is a foundation for a solid NBA player, at least, if brought along properly. Lakers are going to need to have a dedicated development team ,along with our young players being personally motivated. Let the kid live, lol. We'll see. _________________ ZOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!
But I strongly disagree that he's not a positive athlete, that is a seriously strange take to me. He's one of the better athletes on our team.
Aside from the tape I’ve seen I saw him in person at summer league. I wasn’t impressed with his speed or athleticism at all (and SPL is inherently inferior competition). He’s not bad in these areas, but he’s also not special in ways that would offset his small stature.
Looking at the names on your list and you’ve mostly named elite or very serviceable offensive players. Bronny is a zero in this regard. The closest comp he has in the league is Davion Mitchell who is an elite and decorated defensive player (Bronny is not) who isn’t great on O but isn’t a tire fire either. He's a 15mpg player and his minutes have decreased every season he’s been in the league.
He's absolutely fast and quick-twitch. That's what even makes him a "solid" defender, because his instincts aren't great otherwise.
This is a great formula for how he can be effective offensively. Come off handoffs, don't initiate action against ball-pressure, don't be expected to set the table offensively. He can flow into PnRs, take the midrange, and if the defender is sleeping he can burst past them. And his shooting stroke doesn't even look bad. There's nothing that makes me think he can't compete athletically in the NBA.
Now if you ask him to guard a Knecht, he'll be cooked because players can just shoot over him. But he's going to be winning plenty of physical battles against guards.
But I strongly disagree that he's not a positive athlete, that is a seriously strange take to me. He's one of the better athletes on our team.
Aside from the tape I’ve seen I saw him in person at summer league. I wasn’t impressed with his speed or athleticism at all (and SPL is inherently inferior competition). He’s not bad in these areas, but he’s also not special in ways that would offset his small stature.
Looking at the names on your list and you’ve mostly named elite or very serviceable offensive players. Bronny is a zero in this regard. The closest comp he has in the league is Davion Mitchell who is an elite and decorated defensive player (Bronny is not) who isn’t great on O but isn’t a tire fire either. He's a 15mpg player and his minutes have decreased every season he’s been in the league.
He's absolutely fast and quick-twitch. That's what even makes him a "solid" defender, because his instincts aren't great otherwise.
This is a great formula for how he can be effective offensively. Come off handoffs, don't initiate action against ball-pressure, don't be expected to set the table offensively. He can flow into PnRs, take the midrange, and if the defender is sleeping he can burst past them. And his shooting stroke doesn't even look bad. There's nothing that makes me think he can't compete athletically in the NBA.
Now if you ask him to guard a Knecht, he'll be cooked because players can just shoot over him. But he's going to be winning plenty of physical battles against guards.
I’m not saying he’s a bad defender. It’s his biggest strength. It happens to be his only strength. He will only be able to guard one position (and only one type of player at that position) while giving you nothing on offense. It’s not going to be difficult for teams to switch Bronny onto a bigger player and then he’s toast. For a stroke that doesn’t look bad to you he shot 26% from 3 in college. 13% in SPL. You’re talking about a very specific specialist who can maybe do one thing well while being pretty terrible at everything else. Thats not a great recipe for success as a 6’1 player. There’s just a huge skill gap for him to make up and physical limitations that will hold him back. Anything is possible, but I don’t see a bright future for him and we all know he wouldn’t be here in the first place if not for his father. _________________ 14-5-3-12
I mean at some point we have to accept who his father is and how that gives him natural gifts that are unearned. Genetics, for one, wealth and resources the other. Steph Curry probably wouldn't be in the NBA "without his father" either. At some point we have to accept that former players' sons make it into the NBA and get bumps over unknown players. Bronny's not the first or last.
I'm looking forward to seeing him grow. Most of the draft analysis doesn't paint him as negatively as you are ocho, and I think you're a little lower on him because of the surrounding circumstances of the team. He's not this hopeless charity-case pick, and he's also not a lottery talent. We'll just have to see if he'll carve out an Avery Bradley like career or be one-and-done.
I mean at some point we have to accept who his father is and how that gives him natural gifts that are unearned. Genetics, for one, wealth and resources the other. Steph Curry probably wouldn't be in the NBA "without his father" either. At some point we have to accept that former players' sons make it into the NBA and get bumps over unknown players. Bronny's not the first or last.
I'm looking forward to seeing him grow. Most of the draft analysis doesn't paint him as negatively as you are ocho, and I think you're a little lower on him because of the surrounding circumstances of the team. He's not this hopeless charity-case pick, and he's also not a lottery talent. We'll just have to see if he'll carve out an Avery Bradley like career or be one-and-done.
The comparison to Steph’s situation is absurd. Dell Curry didn’t pull strings to get Steph into a league that otherwise wouldn’t have him.
I do view him negatively in the context of the team’s decision making. I think that’s entirely valid. He is a charity case though. He would have no path to the league at this stage of his career without LeBron and Rich Paul gaming the system to make it happen. None. He’d be back in college hoping to prove his worth. He may very well carve out a career for himself despite an awful lot of limitations. I guess it would be nice if he had earned his shot to be on the team rather than feeling entitled to it. If we suffer injuries this year and he actually has to play? God help us. _________________ 14-5-3-12
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I mean, Max Lewis and JHS also suck. We could've have had Podz and TJD, or Jaquez. Bronny at 55th isn't a bad pick. It's the sum total of everything that makes this situation annoying, but it's nothing they can't get out of if they have the conviction and opportunity to actually upgrade.
Make the case for Bronny not being a bad pick without using the argument that most players at 55 don’t pan out.
He doesn’t fill a need. He doesn’t have an NBA size profile. He can’t score or play make. He’s not an above average athlete. He takes up a roster spot for multiple years on a team that needs talent. In what universe was this not a bad pick?
He's the 15th guy on the bench. Which raw 15th guy is expected to get minutes? You're arguing that we didn't need a project, but someone who can contribute at that 15th spot. That indicates that you're 8-13 isn't great. These are independent segments to me. It's like saying, why did you invest 1% of your money into a speculative asset when our bread and butter 35% is underperforming? I could make the same argument against Knecht--why pick him if we need a talent upgrade in the playoffs since he can't guard anyone?
I'm higher on Bronny than most because I see his athletic and defensive potential. I'm higher on him than JHS, which is sad. We'll have to see where he is.
The problem is we have 3-4 players who are the 15th man on the bench. Bronny is just another one. Hopefully the team does him right and sends him to the G League for development. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
He has 6 guards ahead of him in the rotation. If we're ever injured to the point where we need Bronny to play significant minutes, then the season's probably over and I'd rather watch the kids play to see if any of them show us something.
Basically my point is this pick isn't going to matter this season. All we're doing is whining about the 17,000th case of nepotism in the NBA. If Bronny had went back to college we would've used that pick to get some other 15th man who wouldn't have matter, or signed someone undrafted. The 55th pick wasn't the tool to use to upgrade this roster this season, so I don't understand why we're lamenting it.
When we find out we could've had the next Austin Reaves or Caruso at that spot and we chose Bronny instead because of his pedigree, then I'll be upset. I'm still upset at the JHS pick because, you know, that one actually mattered.
Zach Lowe expects the Lakers to play Bronny James in the first game of the season so that he and LeBron can have a moment together
“He’s 100% playing in the opening game so they can have a moment together,”
I can’t be the only one saw that coming from miles away. For me this shows who really run the league. The power the players have right in the NBA is crazy.
Zach Lowe expects the Lakers to play Bronny James in the first game of the season so that he and LeBron can have a moment together
“He’s 100% playing in the opening game so they can have a moment together,”
I can’t be the only one saw that coming from miles away. For me this shows who really run the league. The power the players have right in the NBA is crazy.
I love Zach Lowe's analysis, but he gets quoted all the time for this jackoffery. He's jesting, in the same way he was saying let's get the Jerami Grant to the Lakers jerseys ready. His analysis of the Lakers has generally been spot on overall, but he always takes jabs at the media circus aspect of it.
He has 6 guards ahead of him in the rotation. If we're ever injured to the point where we need Bronny to play significant minutes, then the season's probably over and I'd rather watch the kids play to see if any of them show us something.
Basically my point is this pick isn't going to matter this season. All we're doing is whining about the 17,000th case of nepotism in the NBA. If Bronny had went back to college we would've used that pick to get some other 15th man who wouldn't have matter, or signed someone undrafted. The 55th pick wasn't the tool to use to upgrade this roster this season, so I don't understand why we're lamenting it.
When we find out we could've had the next Austin Reaves or Caruso at that spot and we chose Bronny instead because of his pedigree, then I'll be upset. I'm still upset at the JHS pick because, you know, that one actually mattered.
JHS mattered. Lewis mattered. Bronny mattered. It all matters. Is the 55th pick the most important tool in our toolbox? Of course not. Is it a tool? It is. It could have been used either by itself or in conjunction with another similar asset to free up a roster spot. It could have been used on a foreign prospect that could have been stashed that would have freed up a roster spot to get someone that can actually play. Or to provide roster flexibility? If the argument is that the best use of this pick was on a 3rd project guard that stinks then I’m all ears. If the argument is that it doesn’t matter, I’m less moved. The Celtics can afford to throw away opportunities. We don’t have that luxury as a perpetual play-in team. The mistakes we keep making on the margins now constitute an enormous portion of our roster. We can keep arguing things like this don’t matter, but that’s hard to do when we are rostering Wood, Reddish, Hayes, Hood-Schifino, Lewis, and Bronny. _________________ 14-5-3-12
He has 6 guards ahead of him in the rotation. If we're ever injured to the point where we need Bronny to play significant minutes, then the season's probably over and I'd rather watch the kids play to see if any of them show us something.
Basically my point is this pick isn't going to matter this season. All we're doing is whining about the 17,000th case of nepotism in the NBA. If Bronny had went back to college we would've used that pick to get some other 15th man who wouldn't have matter, or signed someone undrafted. The 55th pick wasn't the tool to use to upgrade this roster this season, so I don't understand why we're lamenting it.
When we find out we could've had the next Austin Reaves or Caruso at that spot and we chose Bronny instead because of his pedigree, then I'll be upset. I'm still upset at the JHS pick because, you know, that one actually mattered.
JHS mattered. Lewis mattered. Bronny mattered. It all matters. Is the 55th pick the most important tool in our toolbox? Of course not. Is it a tool? It is. It could have been used either by itself or in conjunction with another similar asset to free up a roster spot. It could have been used on a foreign prospect that could have been stashed that would have freed up a roster spot to get someone that can actually play. Or to provide roster flexibility? If the argument is that the best use of this pick was on a 3rd project guard that stinks then I’m all ears. If the argument is that it doesn’t matter, I’m less moved. The Celtics can afford to throw away opportunities. We don’t have that luxury as a perpetual play-in team. The mistakes we keep making on the margins now constitute an enormous portion of our roster. We can keep arguing things like this don’t matter, but that’s hard to do when we are rostering Wood, Reddish, Hayes, Hood-Schifino, Lewis, and Bronny.
You're reiterating my original point, which is that we only care about this because the guys ahead of Bronny on our roster also stink. A connective, defensive project guard isn't a bad use of the 55th pick. I'm saying this kid is disproportionately shat on because our teambuilding is defunct in other areas. If your concern is freeing up a roster spot, Bronny alone is probably doubly desirable to other teams than Reddish or Wood are, and that's going to continue to be true for at least the new few years. And if you really want to free up a roster spot, I'd like to know who exactly is coming in to fill it before I get up in arms.
The real problem is we invested in all of the wrong bigs. I'm on record that Wood was a mistake when we already had Hayes, who may have been a mistake himself. Subbing in a 4th bargain bin center instead of Bronny doesn't make the team any better, especially when we also have another bargain bin center in Koloko. So I'm not seeing the huge missed opportunity here.
Zach Lowe expects the Lakers to play Bronny James in the first game of the season so that he and LeBron can have a moment together
“He’s 100% playing in the opening game so they can have a moment together,”
I can’t be the only one saw that coming from miles away. For me this shows who really run the league. The power the players have right in the NBA is crazy.
I love Zach Lowe's analysis, but he gets quoted all the time for this jackoffery. He's jesting, in the same way he was saying let's get the Jerami Grant to the Lakers jerseys ready. His analysis of the Lakers has generally been spot on overall, but he always takes jabs at the media circus aspect of it.
He has 6 guards ahead of him in the rotation. If we're ever injured to the point where we need Bronny to play significant minutes, then the season's probably over and I'd rather watch the kids play to see if any of them show us something.
Basically my point is this pick isn't going to matter this season. All we're doing is whining about the 17,000th case of nepotism in the NBA. If Bronny had went back to college we would've used that pick to get some other 15th man who wouldn't have matter, or signed someone undrafted. The 55th pick wasn't the tool to use to upgrade this roster this season, so I don't understand why we're lamenting it.
When we find out we could've had the next Austin Reaves or Caruso at that spot and we chose Bronny instead because of his pedigree, then I'll be upset. I'm still upset at the JHS pick because, you know, that one actually mattered.
JHS mattered. Lewis mattered. Bronny mattered. It all matters. Is the 55th pick the most important tool in our toolbox? Of course not. Is it a tool? It is. It could have been used either by itself or in conjunction with another similar asset to free up a roster spot. It could have been used on a foreign prospect that could have been stashed that would have freed up a roster spot to get someone that can actually play. Or to provide roster flexibility? If the argument is that the best use of this pick was on a 3rd project guard that stinks then I’m all ears. If the argument is that it doesn’t matter, I’m less moved. The Celtics can afford to throw away opportunities. We don’t have that luxury as a perpetual play-in team. The mistakes we keep making on the margins now constitute an enormous portion of our roster. We can keep arguing things like this don’t matter, but that’s hard to do when we are rostering Wood, Reddish, Hayes, Hood-Schifino, Lewis, and Bronny.
You're reiterating my original point, which is that we only care about this because the guys ahead of Bronny on our roster also stink. A connective, defensive project guard isn't a bad use of the 55th pick. I'm saying this kid is disproportionately shat on because our teambuilding is defunct in other areas. If your concern is freeing up a roster spot, Bronny alone is probably doubly desirable to other teams than Reddish or Wood are, and that's going to continue to be true for at least the new few years. And if you really want to free up a roster spot, I'd like to know who exactly is coming in to fill it before I get up in arms.
The real problem is we invested in all of the wrong bigs. I'm on record that Wood was a mistake when we already had Hayes, who may have been a mistake himself. Subbing in a 4th bargain bin center instead of Bronny doesn't make the team any better, especially when we also have another bargain bin center in Koloko. So I'm not seeing the huge missed opportunity here.
I feel like maybe I’m just repeating myself so I’ll leave it alone after this. Bronny wasn’t just a bad pick because of the context of the team, though it’s difficult to judge any pick without factoring that in. He’s a bad pick all on his own. He would not be in the NBA this season if his father were retired. It's doubtful he will stick in the league, and in the event he does, it won’t be for several years. We need help now. We need talent now. We had limited resources and used one of our (albeit slim) pathways for improvement on a PR stunt instead of figuring out a way to get better. He’s both a bad prospect and indicative of a trend where we make bad decisions for bad reasons. He’s not the only reason for our foibles, but he’s a reason. I’m surprised you’re not making the connection from “ah who cares it doesn’t matter” to us rostering so many bums on the team (Bronny included.) _________________ 14-5-3-12
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