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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2024 11:33 pm    Post subject: Who Should the Lakers Target as Their "Missing Piece(s)"?

Noting that the 76ers had identified Paul George as the "Missing Piece" to their "Big Three" (Embiid, Maxi & PG) and to be one of the Top 3 teams that have a legitimate title-contending team coming out of the Eastern Conference (translation: beat the Celtics after defeating Knicks/Bucks/Pacers/etc.) and win Da Ring (against the likes of OKC, TWolves, Nuggets, etc.) - as noted in this article at https://global.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40478287/inside-paul-george-free-agency-showdown-how-philadelphia-76ers-landed-nine-all-star

In the "Ideal World" where all CBA issues are addressed (know that is a Big Reach), what would the Lakers' "Missing Piece" (Realistically, hence avoiding listing Luka, Greek Freak, Joker, AntMan, Shai, Embiid, etc. who would deman d being the 1st Option) be

Noting that the following are NOT that final piece
* Klay (declining skills with other options are younger)
* Demar (not a 3pt shooter, any great differences from Dinwiddle?)
* Grant (stats are not much better than what we already have or others that are cheaper)
* Harden (GAWD NO!!)
* Markkensen (Great Offense, but no D)
* Jonas Valanciunas (your starting center and forcing AD to play PF - LOL)
* Caruso (great complimentary piece, hopefully Vincent will be the defensive stopper The Bald Eagle was for the Lakers)
* Hield (No Defense, Great Shooter)
* CP3 (he was my hope!)
* Bruce Brown (Great D and adequate offense)
* KAT (Great Talent, Unfulfilled Potential and a Duplicate AD)
* Alperen Şengün (worth monitoring this talented Big)

Maybe Christie will be our next AR or next the next Tyrus Maxey?
Maybe Rui will be our "MJP?"
Maybe CWood will find his missing 3Pt shot
Maybe Vando will become a Rodman-Meet-Bruce Brown-like player
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2024 11:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Who Should the Lakers Target as Their "Missing Piece(s)"?

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Noting that the 76ers had identified Paul George as the "Missing Piece" to their "Big Three" (Embiid, Maxi & PG) and to be one of the Top 3 teams that have a legitimate title-contending team coming out of the Eastern Conference (translation: beat the Celtics after defeating Knicks/Bucks/Pacers/etc.) and win Da Ring (against the likes of OKC, TWolves, Nuggets, etc.) - as noted in this article at https://global.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40478287/inside-paul-george-free-agency-showdown-how-philadelphia-76ers-landed-nine-all-star

In the "Ideal World" where all CBA issues are addressed (know that is a Big Reach), what would the Lakers' "Missing Piece" (Realistically, hence avoiding listing Luka, Greek Freak, Joker, AntMan, Shai, Embiid, etc. who would deman d being the 1st Option) be

Noting that the following are NOT that final piece
* Klay (declining skills with other options are younger)
* Demar (not a 3pt shooter, any great differences from Dinwiddle?)
* Grant (stats are not much better than what we already have or others that are cheaper)
* Harden (GAWD NO!!)
* Markkensen (Great Offense, but no D)
* Jonas Valanciunas (your starting center and forcing AD to play PF - LOL)
* Caruso (great complimentary piece, hopefully Vincent will be the defensive stopper The Bald Eagle was for the Lakers)
* Hield (No Defense, Great Shooter)
* CP3 (he was my hope!)
* Bruce Brown (Great D and adequate offense)
* KAT (Great Talent, Unfulfilled Potential and a Duplicate AD)
* Alperen Şengün (worth monitoring this talented Big)

Maybe Christie will be our next AR or next the next Tyrus Maxey?
Maybe Rui will be our "MJP?"
Maybe CWood will find his missing 3Pt shot
Maybe Vando will become a Rodman-Meet-Bruce Brown-like player

None of the Lakers guys will ever be a ‘missing piece’, I’d bet my life savings on it

The names I like from that list as a genuine 3rd guy are KAT (would compliment AD better than almost any other big), Sengun (intrigued as to how he continues to develop, though I see HOU considering him a long-term piece), and DeRozan (I’m higher on his fit with us than most, though not a long-term option at all)

I think we might need to look at equal-first, or second guys to AD, post-Bron (assuming we don’t do a full rebuild), rather than looking at options that 1) don’t put us over the top, and/or 2) are un-achievable this year
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 2:43 am    Post subject:

DLo for Marcus Smart
Gabe for Stephen Adams
Rui for Cam Johnson
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 6:24 am    Post subject:

it comes down to expectations.
If the goal is to win a ring and only a ring: booker and jokic

If its to start to build a foundation to set ourselves up for success, we need to sign young guys.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 6:47 am    Post subject:

The last 3 Championships won have had less stars on it than the Lakers currently do. They just had far better Coaching.

The Lakers have the same scoring setup from their 3 main stars than LeBron had in Miami and Cleveland in the "3 star" format, but is also surrounded by a lot of depth.

Seriously, go look at what Wade, LeBron and Bosh, and LeBron, Kyrie and Love put up. Then look at what LeBron, AD and DLO put up. Then consider that the Lakers have far more depth than both of those teams.

The Lakers HAVE ENOUGH to Win a Championship, based on the last 3 Champions and the teams that made it to the Finals.

The only differences is that LeBron is going to be 40 and isn't 32-35 anymore, and the Coaches have sucked, or we haven't been healthy. Those are the reasonings. The only reason the Lakers weren't a 55+ win team last season was Ham wasting a month of the season on horrible lineup ideas. But when he didn't, the Lakers in spite of him were one of the best teams in the league down the stretch of that season.

The true question of this season outside of staying healthy is if Redick is a better Coach than Ham and if Nate turns out to be a far better defensive mind that helps our team in that aspect.

The "missing piece" wasn't on the roster, it was on the Coaching Staff.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 7:04 am    Post subject:

Halflife wrote:
it comes down to expectations.
If the goal is to win a ring and only a ring: booker and jokic

If its to start to build a foundation to set ourselves up for success, we need to sign young guys.

I can't stand Booker. Lol
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 7:06 am    Post subject:

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Halflife wrote:
it comes down to expectations.
If the goal is to win a ring and only a ring: booker and jokic

If its to start to build a foundation to set ourselves up for success, we need to sign young guys.

I can't stand Booker. Lol

just answering the question. he's underrated. but I get it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 7:16 am    Post subject:

Halflife wrote:
Knecht4 wrote:
Halflife wrote:
it comes down to expectations.
If the goal is to win a ring and only a ring: booker and jokic

If its to start to build a foundation to set ourselves up for success, we need to sign young guys.

I can't stand Booker. Lol

just answering the question. he's underrated. but I get it.


He's good. I would take him, I got used to LeBron would get used ro him
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 7:30 am    Post subject:

I just want a guy who is legit 7 feet and weighs more than 260. Doesn’t have to be a star or a big name. Just someone to put in the middle so AD doesn’t take on all the wrestling. If I see AD crumble to the ground after being bumped hard on his shoulder or back one more time….
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 10:17 am    Post subject:

They should consider moving Vanderbilt and DLO for better fits in the top 6.
They're not going to get better players than DLO/Vanderbilt, but maybe they can get better fits around AD/Bron/Austin/Rui. Even if they get 1 starter that plays on both sides of the ball, they may be able to do more damage next year.

That's all you can really do here, get a bit better. You can't get a lot better. You're already good. Bron is 40. So if you can get a bit better without giving up draft picks, that's what you do.

If you give up FRPs, you do it for younger players who fit the same window as Knecht, Austin, Christie ... post-Lebron/AD. You already don't have picks in 2025 and likely the 2027 draft.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 10:34 am    Post subject:

The sad reality is that the Lakers are pretty much stuck with what they have, unless they are willing to add first round draft picks!

Those first round draft picks are for AFTER Lebron retires, so they could be quiet valuable!

But there is a BRIGHT side, a reason to be optimistic!

Prince did not add much, nor did Dimwiddy, so their departures will open up playing time for a player like Christie. Christie performed great, nearly every time on the floor, but still Ham (RIP) would not play him big minutes.

ALSO: Vincent missed most of the year and Cam and Vando, our two best defenders missed a ton of time, including the entire playoffs..

ALSO, ALSO: I really like and hope the lakers first round pick (Connect) can step in and perform...! At 23, he may be ready!!!

So, with a new coach, and a few line-up changes and good health, I think the Lakers can improve on last season...!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 11:38 am    Post subject:

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They should consider moving Vanderbilt and DLO for better fits in the top 6.
They're not going to get better players than DLO/Vanderbilt, but maybe they can get better fits around AD/Bron/Austin/Rui. Even if they get 1 starter that plays on both sides of the ball, they may be able to do more damage next year.

That's all you can really do here, get a bit better. You can't get a lot better. You're already good. Bron is 40. So if you can get a bit better without giving up draft picks, that's what you do.

If you give up FRPs, you do it for younger players who fit the same window as Knecht, Austin, Christie ... post-Lebron/AD. You already don't have picks in 2025 and likely the 2027 draft.
Since DLo has little value in the NBA, otherwise he would have done a "Paul George - lol!!"

IMHO - Vando provides intangibles similar to what players like Knicks' Hart to Rodman, ENERGY! When Vando comes in, players that are not aggressive and less than 100% energy/effort/commitment (hello, Rui) have two choices - Up Their Game or have a seat on the bench. Vando has started to see that being in the Dunker Position and doing backdoor cuts provide him with offensive opportunities that he can convert - along with setting solid screens..

Hopefully Christie is working out with LBJ during the off-season to expand his game/package to be an important of next year's rotations. The improbable and completely unexpected victory over the Celtics without LBJ and AD provide a brief glimpse against a very good team (even if they took that Laker lineup for granted) of what can happen.

Outside of Bronny, Lakers have signed 3 SFs as part of their effort to develop a 3&D wing players.

CWood is trying, or should be trying, to be like Alperen Şengün.

Previous post says to get Steven Adams, that would be the opposite direction that the NBA is going

Maybe the "Missing Piece" is J.J., a HC that LBJ has confidence in to execute his plays while not making our plays at the end of the game so predictable (LBJ at the top of the key to create a shot) with no movement from the other players. With LBJ saying that AD is Da Face of the team, why isn't LBJ giving him the ball to create or at least a touch of the ball to have some gravity to pull in the defense.

How would one rank these teams with Big 3s as legitimate title-contending teams
Embiid/Maxey/PG
Luka/Kyrie/Klay
Greek Freak/Dame/Middleton
KD/Booker/Beal
AntMan/Gobert/KAT
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 11:51 am    Post subject:

[quote="A Mad Chinaman"]
wolfpaclaker wrote:

How would one rank these teams with Big 3s as legitimate title-contending teams
Embiid/Maxey/PG
Luka/Kyrie/Klay
Greek Freak/Dame/Middleton
KD/Booker/Beal
AntMan/Gobert/KAT


Embiid/Maxey/PG
KD/Booker/Beal
Luka/Kyrie/Klay
Greek Freak/Dame/Middleton
AntMan/Gobert/KAT
LeBron/Davis/Russel
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:57 pm    Post subject:

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A Mad Chinaman wrote:
wolfpaclaker wrote:

How would one rank these teams with Big 3s as legitimate title-contending teams
Embiid/Maxey/PG
Luka/Kyrie/Klay
Greek Freak/Dame/Middleton
KD/Booker/Beal
AntMan/Gobert/KAT


Embiid/Maxey/PG
KD/Booker/Beal
Luka/Kyrie/Klay
Greek Freak/Dame/Middleton
AntMan/Gobert/KAT
LeBron/Davis/Russel


Why is Luka/Kyrie/KD a big three but Tatum/Brown/Porzingis is not?

As title contenders (considering the rest of the team as well):

1) Sixers
2) Mavs
3) Wolves
4) Bucks
5) Suns
6) Lakers
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 1:30 pm    Post subject:

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unleasHell wrote:
A Mad Chinaman wrote:
wolfpaclaker wrote:
How would one rank these teams with Big 3s as legitimate title-contending teams
Embiid/Maxey/PG
Luka/Kyrie/Klay
Greek Freak/Dame/Middleton
KD/Booker/Beal
AntMan/Gobert/KAT


Embiid/Maxey/PG
KD/Booker/Beal
Luka/Kyrie/Klay
Greek Freak/Dame/Middleton
AntMan/Gobert/KAT
LeBron/Davis/Russel


Why is Luka/Kyrie/KD a big three but Tatum/Brown/Porzingis is not?

As title contenders (considering the rest of the team as well):

1) Sixers
2) Mavs
3) Wolves
4) Bucks
5) Suns
6) Lakers
because many NBA pundits consider Holiday more important than KP
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 1:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Who Should the Lakers Target as Their "Missing Piece(s)"?

A Mad Chinaman wrote:
Noting that the 76ers had identified Paul George as the "Missing Piece" to their "Big Three" (Embiid, Maxi & PG) and to be one of the Top 3 teams that have a legitimate title-contending team coming out of the Eastern Conference (translation: beat the Celtics after defeating Knicks/Bucks/Pacers/etc.) and win Da Ring (against the likes of OKC, TWolves, Nuggets, etc.) - as noted in this article at https://global.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40478287/inside-paul-george-free-agency-showdown-how-philadelphia-76ers-landed-nine-all-star

In the "Ideal World" where all CBA issues are addressed (know that is a Big Reach), what would the Lakers' "Missing Piece" (Realistically, hence avoiding listing Luka, Greek Freak, Joker, AntMan, Shai, Embiid, etc. who would deman d being the 1st Option) be

Noting that the following are NOT that final piece
* Klay (declining skills with other options are younger)
* Demar (not a 3pt shooter, any great differences from Dinwiddle?)
* Grant (stats are not much better than what we already have or others that are cheaper)
* Harden (GAWD NO!!)
* Markkensen (Great Offense, but no D)
* Jonas Valanciunas (your starting center and forcing AD to play PF - LOL)
* Caruso (great complimentary piece, hopefully Vincent will be the defensive stopper The Bald Eagle was for the Lakers)
* Hield (No Defense, Great Shooter)
* CP3 (he was my hope!)
* Bruce Brown (Great D and adequate offense)
* KAT (Great Talent, Unfulfilled Potential and a Duplicate AD)
* Alperen Şengün (worth monitoring this talented Big)

Maybe Christie will be our next AR or next the next Tyrus Maxey?
Maybe Rui will be our "MJP?"
Maybe CWood will find his missing 3Pt shot
Maybe Vando will become a Rodman-Meet-Bruce Brown-like player


- Pull off the S&T for DeRozan sending out Vincent/CamRed/Hayes/picks,
- Convince Valanciunas…and LBJ…to change minds before tomorrow (lol),
- Trade with OKC for Caruso sending JHS/MaxLew/Knecth/picks

and hola!

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 3:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Who Should the Lakers Target as Their "Missing Piece(s)"?

Hanging from Rafters wrote:
A Mad Chinaman wrote:
Noting that the 76ers had identified Paul George as the "Missing Piece" to their "Big Three" (Embiid, Maxi & PG) and to be one of the Top 3 teams that have a legitimate title-contending team coming out of the Eastern Conference (translation: beat the Celtics after defeating Knicks/Bucks/Pacers/etc.) and win Da Ring (against the likes of OKC, TWolves, Nuggets, etc.) - as noted in this article at https://global.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40478287/inside-paul-george-free-agency-showdown-how-philadelphia-76ers-landed-nine-all-star

In the "Ideal World" where all CBA issues are addressed (know that is a Big Reach), what would the Lakers' "Missing Piece" (Realistically, hence avoiding listing Luka, Greek Freak, Joker, AntMan, Shai, Embiid, etc. who would deman d being the 1st Option) be

Noting that the following are NOT that final piece
* Klay (declining skills with other options are younger)
* Demar (not a 3pt shooter, any great differences from Dinwiddle?)
* Grant (stats are not much better than what we already have or others that are cheaper)
* Harden (GAWD NO!!)
* Markkensen (Great Offense, but no D)
* Jonas Valanciunas (your starting center and forcing AD to play PF - LOL)
* Caruso (great complimentary piece, hopefully Vincent will be the defensive stopper The Bald Eagle was for the Lakers)
* Hield (No Defense, Great Shooter)
* CP3 (he was my hope!)
* Bruce Brown (Great D and adequate offense)
* KAT (Great Talent, Unfulfilled Potential and a Duplicate AD)
* Alperen Şengün (worth monitoring this talented Big)

Maybe Christie will be our next AR or next the next Tyrus Maxey?
Maybe Rui will be our "MJP?"
Maybe CWood will find his missing 3Pt shot
Maybe Vando will become a Rodman-Meet-Bruce Brown-like player
- Pull off the S&T for DeRozan sending out Vincent/CamRed/Hayes/picks,
- Convince Valanciunas…and LBJ…to change minds before tomorrow (lol),
- Trade with OKC for Caruso sending JHS/MaxLew/Knecth/picks

and hola!

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LOL!!

S&T for DeRozan will result in trying to find any guard that can actually defend since DLo and AR are not good individual defenders

Will having Valanciunas as a starting center be the "Missing Link" - lol

One can get far greater value with their 3 picks than Carusco (as much as I like him as a player). This trade will eliminate much of what Rob can do for the future and adding Carusco will mean that one has to trade either DLo or AR

None of the above scenarios will actually "Move the Needle" - it would be just trading just to "Make a Trade." There will be a trade that will make sense
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 4:11 pm    Post subject:

governator wrote:
DLo for Marcus Smart
Gabe for Stephen Adams
Rui for Cam Johnson


Not sure why Grizz let Adams go. He's a beast. He was out for the year but they weren't contending so they could afford to wait.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 7:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Who Should the Lakers Target as Their "Missing Piece(s)"?

A Mad Chinaman wrote:
Hanging from Rafters wrote:
A Mad Chinaman wrote:
Noting that the 76ers had identified Paul George as the "Missing Piece" to their "Big Three" (Embiid, Maxi & PG) and to be one of the Top 3 teams that have a legitimate title-contending team coming out of the Eastern Conference (translation: beat the Celtics after defeating Knicks/Bucks/Pacers/etc.) and win Da Ring (against the likes of OKC, TWolves, Nuggets, etc.) - as noted in this article at https://global.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40478287/inside-paul-george-free-agency-showdown-how-philadelphia-76ers-landed-nine-all-star

In the "Ideal World" where all CBA issues are addressed (know that is a Big Reach), what would the Lakers' "Missing Piece" (Realistically, hence avoiding listing Luka, Greek Freak, Joker, AntMan, Shai, Embiid, etc. who would deman d being the 1st Option) be

Noting that the following are NOT that final piece
* Klay (declining skills with other options are younger)
* Demar (not a 3pt shooter, any great differences from Dinwiddle?)
* Grant (stats are not much better than what we already have or others that are cheaper)
* Harden (GAWD NO!!)
* Markkensen (Great Offense, but no D)
* Jonas Valanciunas (your starting center and forcing AD to play PF - LOL)
* Caruso (great complimentary piece, hopefully Vincent will be the defensive stopper The Bald Eagle was for the Lakers)
* Hield (No Defense, Great Shooter)
* CP3 (he was my hope!)
* Bruce Brown (Great D and adequate offense)
* KAT (Great Talent, Unfulfilled Potential and a Duplicate AD)
* Alperen Şengün (worth monitoring this talented Big)

Maybe Christie will be our next AR or next the next Tyrus Maxey?
Maybe Rui will be our "MJP?"
Maybe CWood will find his missing 3Pt shot
Maybe Vando will become a Rodman-Meet-Bruce Brown-like player
- Pull off the S&T for DeRozan sending out Vincent/CamRed/Hayes/picks,
- Convince Valanciunas…and LBJ…to change minds before tomorrow (lol),
- Trade with OKC for Caruso sending JHS/MaxLew/Knecth/picks

and hola!

Lakers #1
LOL!!

S&T for DeRozan will result in trying to find any guard that can actually defend since DLo and AR are not good individual defenders

Will having Valanciunas as a starting center be the "Missing Link" - lol

One can get far greater value with their 3 picks than Carusco (as much as I like him as a player). This trade will eliminate much of what Rob can do for the future and adding Carusco will mean that one has to trade either DLo or AR

None of the above scenarios will actually "Move the Needle" - it would be just trading just to "Make a Trade." There will be a trade that will make sense


You’re correct is saying none of the above scenarios move the needle…by itself enough…but the concept is looking at the total picture of all three together. It isn’t just Valanciunas being THE missing piece which he is not, nor is any ONE of the other moves. I was trying to show that it isn’t one piece (Luffy!?!) we’re missing but several. I’d put DeRozan at SF anyway.

Together tho, all three moves…imo…create this ship contending team:
C - AD/Valan
PF - LBJ/Rui
SF - DeRozan/Vando
SG - AR/MaxC
PG - Dlo/Caruso

Not trading either Dlo or AR, Valan plays backup C not starting unless the matchup dictates it. Caruso/MaxC plays the guard defense you’re looking for.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 8:58 pm    Post subject:

Starting to think the lakers want to run it back with a new coach. Blake pinson, dalton kenecht, bronny James, dlo, rui, gabe…they all have one thing in common they can shoot coming off screens. They don’t need the ball to be effective.

All this talk about developing a program makes me think they are gonna try and maximize the role players they have using JJ reddick.

I like the idea of running more plays for the roll players and using lebron/AD PnR as foundation of your offense but having some off ball action going on. Lebron AD PnR on one side with DLO, max, kenecht running off screens on the other end.

I think we should be using Christian wood much more often. He’s better than a minimum player. I think the backup center position should be his.


I know this sounds crazy but I think this team can compete as is if you can figure out how to keep the role players engaged. Nobody wants to just stand around waiting at the 3 point like.

I think jj will run plays for the role players to keep them involved and engaged. That will motivate them to stay engaged defensively. I’m excited.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 9:04 pm    Post subject:

Max getting a bigger role, Gabe, vando, wood being healthy. Kenecht…new coaching staff.

Basically a different team than last year even if it doesn’t seem like it.

We got more defense this year

Gave
Max
Vando
AD

Legit defenders.

I think we will be ok even if they make no moves. I hope they make some move but we don’t really need much imo
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[quote="A Mad Chinaman"]
CandyCanes wrote:
unleasHell wrote:
A Mad Chinaman wrote:
wolfpaclaker wrote:
How would one rank these teams with Big 3s as legitimate title-contending teams
Embiid/Maxey/PG
Luka/Kyrie/Klay
Greek Freak/Dame/Middleton
KD/Booker/Beal
AntMan/Gobert/KAT


Embiid/Maxey/PG
KD/Booker/Beal
Luka/Kyrie/Klay
Greek Freak/Dame/Middleton
AntMan/Gobert/KAT
LeBron/Davis/Russel


Why is Luka/Kyrie/KD a big three but Tatum/Brown/Porzingis is not?

As title contenders (considering the rest of the team as well):

1) Sixers
2) Mavs
3) Wolves
4) Bucks
5) Suns
6) Lakers
because many NBA pundits consider Holiday more important than KP


Okay, well, a big three of Tatum/Brown/Holiday then.
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[quote="CandyCanes"]
A Mad Chinaman wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
unleasHell wrote:
A Mad Chinaman wrote:
wolfpaclaker wrote:
How would one rank these teams with Big 3s as legitimate title-contending teams
Embiid/Maxey/PG
Luka/Kyrie/Klay
Greek Freak/Dame/Middleton
KD/Booker/Beal
AntMan/Gobert/KAT
Embiid/Maxey/PG
KD/Booker/Beal
Luka/Kyrie/Klay
Greek Freak/Dame/Middleton
AntMan/Gobert/KAT
LeBron/Davis/Russel
Why is Luka/Kyrie/KD a big three but Tatum/Brown/Porzingis is not?

As title contenders (considering the rest of the team as well):

1) Sixers
2) Mavs
3) Wolves
4) Bucks
5) Suns
6) Lakers
because many NBA pundits consider Holiday more important than KP
Okay, well, a big three of Tatum/Brown/Holiday then.
Food for Thought

Noting your selection of the 76ers and Mavs as your top two choices without their "Big Three" having played together

Cs' strength is the depth of their roster, not their stars - noting that Brown is their "Batman" and Tatum is their "Robin" - despite public perceptions. Where would you rank Tatum and Brown on the list of the best NBA player above LBJ, AD, KD, AntMan, Luka, Embiid, Greek Freak, Wemby, Curry, Joker, Ja Morant, Kwahi (if ever/whenever he is healthy)

Should be noted that Holiday was replaced by an equally talented Marcus Smart. If he was healthy - Ja Morant (when he is not shooting guns on YouTube videos), Marcus Smart and Jackson or Bane could be included in the "Big Three" list. KP flourished for the one season when he was healthy, after being on a losing team that can be stated about a lot of players.
~ No disrespect to the Cs winning a Ring, just recognizing their strengths that allow them to win a ring - their defense that shut down Luka & Kyrie (who had one of his worst playoff series)

Boston will be subject to a punishing repeater penalty in 2025-26 that is prompting the present owners to sell their majority interest so if they don't win a ring next season - they will be in the exact same situation such as the Suns (who made the decision to run it back again), Clips (who let PG go to the 76ers) and the Dubs (who was paying the most luxury tax before the Celtics and let Klay go to the Mavs)

Celtics will have the most expensive roster in NBA history in the 2025-26 season, a team that could cost in the neighborhood of $450 million in payroll and tax payments when factoring in repeater tax penalties.

** Celtics' system depends heavily on two rare centers, one of whom is very old and the other of whom is very injury-prone.
** Tatum is great, but the Celtics are unlikely to have the best player on the court in any important series.
** Bucks was never at full strength, the
** Philadelphia 76ers (as stated previously have added to their roster)
** Knicks are constructed to beat the Celtics

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5569914/2024/06/18/boston-celtics-salary-cap-nba-free-agency/
https://www.si.com/nba/celtics/top-stories/fenway-sports-group-releases-statement-on-interest-in-purchasing-celtics-01j22pk2jrdm#:~:text=With%20speculation%20swirling%20about%20their,payments%20when%20factoring%20in%20repeater
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