I wonder if this will affect Hannah Gutierrez. _________________ Hey Doge, ever hear of “measure twice, cut once?” It is not cut first and measure later.
Cops and prosecutors hiding/withholding/lying about evidence? I am SHOCKED!
And this got exposed because Alec Baldwin had money for good lawyers. Imagine everyone else that doesn't have the same resources.
Great point. Our system is good, but far from perfect.
Sorta related, I know of a guy who recently had some of the best lawyers, but he still was convicted of 34 felonies. _________________ Hey Doge, ever hear of “measure twice, cut once?” It is not cut first and measure later.
Im glad. I like alec. It was an accident of the worst kind. Cant even imagine being the parent of the victim, but it was an accident. _________________ Dave McMenamin on the Lebron ERA: "Underwhelming"
Just saw that. There were rumors cops had hidden evidence regarding the ammo, and clearly they were.
Hidden evidence that swings in which way? I haven't really paid attention to this at all other than the other thread we had.
The cops asked that live ammo from the scene be logged into evidence under a different case number so the defense had no idea that they existed. The existence of multiple live ammo being in the armorer’s possession helps take the blame off of Baldwin.
Of course Baldwin is ultimately responsible for Hutchins‘z death because as Executive Producer, his company committed numerous safety anc labor violations. But he will never be prosecuted for that at this point because the prosecutor office has been just as shoddy as Baldwin’s production company. _________________ Code 8647
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Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2024 7:47 pm Post subject:
ribeye wrote:
I wonder if this will affect Hannah Gutierrez.
She’s already been convicted criminally. There’s a possibility this could affect her badly in a civil suit (live billets on tge set looks bad for an armorer already convicted) but I can’t see how there’s to garner fro her financially in a civil suit. _________________ Code 8647
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I went and watched today's hearing. Boy oh boy did this get interesting. The judge was Miss Pissed. The DA screwed up royally and actually had to be sworn in and testified. The evidence that was not provided to the defense (some 45 cartridges that may have been the same as the deadly bullet) was misrepresented by the DA AND was booked by authorities, with knowledge of the DA, under a different case number than was the case number for Rust. _________________ Hey Doge, ever hear of “measure twice, cut once?” It is not cut first and measure later.
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Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2024 7:51 pm Post subject:
ribeye wrote:
I went and watched today's hearing. Boy oh boy did this get interesting. The judge was Miss Pissed. The DA screwed up royally and actually had to be sworn in and testified. The evidence that was not provided to the defense (some 45 cartridges that may have been the same as the deadly bullet) was misrepresented by the DA AND was booked by authorities, with knowledge of the DA, under a different case number than was the case number for Rust.
Yeah what they did was totally willful. Just totally running afoul of the law. The judge absolutely did the right thing here, irrespective of what anyone thinks of how much blame Baldwin does or does not deserve in the tragic death that occurred. His rights were deliberately messed with. I wish more judges were like this. She wasn't having it.
She’s already been convicted criminally. There’s a possibility this could affect her badly in a civil suit (live billets on tge set looks bad for an armorer already convicted) but I can’t see how there’s to garner fro her financially in a civil suit.
Yes she has been convicted but she still can appeal and since I asked the question, I have learned this testimony can be used for her case, which makes an appeal far easier, since normally one must piece an appeal together, piece by piece, such as getting the witnesses to agree to sign affidavits, etc. _________________ Hey Doge, ever hear of “measure twice, cut once?” It is not cut first and measure later.
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Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2024 8:03 pm Post subject:
ChickenStu wrote:
ribeye wrote:
I went and watched today's hearing. Boy oh boy did this get interesting. The judge was Miss Pissed. The DA screwed up royally and actually had to be sworn in and testified. The evidence that was not provided to the defense (some 45 cartridges that may have been the same as the deadly bullet) was misrepresented by the DA AND was booked by authorities, with knowledge of the DA, under a different case number than was the case number for Rust.
Yeah what they did was totally willful. Just totally running afoul of the law. The judge absolutely did the right thing here, irrespective of what anyone thinks of how much blame Baldwin does or does not deserve in the tragic death that occurred. His rights were deliberately messed with. I wish more judges were like this. She wasn't having it.
This was just one of many screw ups and misrepresentations that the DA’s office has been guilty of. It reminds he of the Eagle County Prosecutor Mark Hurlbert who suddenly became intent on winning at all cost once he realized the man he was prosecuting for sexual assault was famous NBA player Kobe Bryant and saw an opportunity for fame for himself.
The right thing is happening from a criminal justice stand point, luckily for Baldwin. And I have no problem with that as much as I despise the fact the he will get away with a ton of wrong doing on that production in regards to multiple safety and union violations. _________________ Code 8647
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Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2024 8:06 pm Post subject:
ribeye wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
ribeye wrote:
I wonder if this will affect Hannah Gutierrez.
She’s already been convicted criminally. There’s a possibility this could affect her badly in a civil suit (live billets on tge set looks bad for an armorer already convicted) but I can’t see how there’s to garner fro her financially in a civil suit.
Yes she has been convicted but she still can appeal and since I asked the question, I have learned this testimony can be used for her case, which makes an appeal far easier, since normally one must piece an appeal together, piece by piece, such as getting the witnesses to agree to sign affidavits, etc.
It may open the door to appeal, but the existence of that many live rounds on set and under her responsibility doesn’t help her innocence. It proves she was negligent. _________________ Code 8647
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Just saw that. There were rumors cops had hidden evidence regarding the ammo, and clearly they were.
Hidden evidence that swings in which way? I haven't really paid attention to this at all other than the other thread we had.
The cops asked that live ammo from the scene be logged into evidence under a different case number so the defense had no idea that they existed. The existence of multiple live ammo being in the armorer’s possession helps take the blame off of Baldwin.
Of course Baldwin is ultimately responsible for Hutchins‘z death because as Executive Producer, his company committed numerous safety anc labor violations. But he will never be prosecuted for that at this point because the prosecutor office has been just as shoddy as Baldwin’s production company.
Ah thanks. Good ole' dependable law enforcement. _________________ KOBE
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Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2024 9:30 pm Post subject:
I’m confused…
1) Why was live ammunition needed in a movie set in the first place?
2) Did Baldwin really not pull the trigger, which he claimed was the case? If so, how did the gun go off?
And is his acting/producing career over now anyway due to the bad publicity from this? _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
1) Why was live ammunition needed in a movie set in the first place?
2) Did Baldwin really not pull the trigger, which he claimed was the case? If so, how did the gun go off?
And is his acting/producing career over now anyway due to the bad publicity from this?
It has not been positively ascertained who brought on the live ammo, but it is believed Hanna inadvertently did when she got some ammo of supposedly only dummies or blanks, but with a few or more live ammo rounds mixed in, from her father, a well known armorer.
Baldwin claims he did not pull the trigger but the FBI labs tested the gun and stated it could not go off without pulling it.
We'll have to wait and see about Baldwin's movie career. _________________ Hey Doge, ever hear of “measure twice, cut once?” It is not cut first and measure later.
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Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2024 8:27 am Post subject:
ribeye wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
I’m confused…
1) Why was live ammunition needed in a movie set in the first place?
2) Did Baldwin really not pull the trigger, which he claimed was the case? If so, how did the gun go off?
And is his acting/producing career over now anyway due to the bad publicity from this?
It has not been positively ascertained who brought on the live ammo, but it is believed Hanna inadvertently did when she got some ammo of supposedly only dummies or blanks, but with a few or more live ammo rounds mixed in, from her father, a well known armorer.
Baldwin claims he did not pull the trigger but the FBI labs tested the gun and stated it could not go off without pulling it.
We'll have to wait and see about Baldwin's movie career.
Why would live ammo be mixed in with dummies?
What was the reason why Baldwin would ever pull the trigger, even if he thought it was just a dummy? _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
1) Why was live ammunition needed in a movie set in the first place?
2) Did Baldwin really not pull the trigger, which he claimed was the case? If so, how did the gun go off?
And is his acting/producing career over now anyway due to the bad publicity from this?
It has not been positively ascertained who brought on the live ammo, but it is believed Hanna inadvertently did when she got some ammo of supposedly only dummies or blanks, but with a few or more live ammo rounds mixed in, from her father, a well known armorer.
Baldwin claims he did not pull the trigger but the FBI labs tested the gun and stated it could not go off without pulling it.
We'll have to wait and see about Baldwin's movie career.
Why would live ammo be mixed in with dummies?
What was the reason why Baldwin would ever pull the trigger, even if he thought it was just a dummy?
1) It shouldn't have
2) You need to pull the trigger to get the movie effect of firing the gun. The blanks produce that effect.
1) Why was live ammunition needed in a movie set in the first place?
2) Did Baldwin really not pull the trigger, which he claimed was the case? If so, how did the gun go off?
And is his acting/producing career over now anyway due to the bad publicity from this?
Live ammo wasn’t needed. They were filming in the desert, and the movie crew would use the gun for target practice when they weren’t working.
I'm almost certain neither the crew, nor anyone else, was shooting live ammo on the set, or at least, there was no evidence of this presented in the Hanna Gutierrez trial. _________________ Hey Doge, ever hear of “measure twice, cut once?” It is not cut first and measure later.
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